Touhou 17: Wily Beast and Weakest Creature - Extra Stage
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The stage portion of the Extra Stage itself honestly isnât too bad for the most part. Part in parcel to the fact that you partially know how to deal with whatâs coming. Like Touhou 16, the stage here takes a lot of patterns from a previous stage in the main game. As such a lot of enemy patterns are much harder versions of stuff you dealt with in Stage 4 from before. With that in mind, in many cases your go to strategy is to hang out on one side or the other to blast the stream of enemies coming in from off screen before they can fire.
Kutaka comes back basically whipping out harder versions of a couple choice spell cards plus a new one. Her first spell cardâs pretty RNG so you just need to get good reflexes to beat it. Second and third however are a bit more systematic (third especially). As such, you may need to figure out a good way to move to manipulate the bullets or making it so you can focus on one wave after the other, but with practice you can beat the spells in generally the same way every time.
Saki is an extremely direct fighter, plain, pure and simple. For the most part however that does mean her attacks are actually fairly easy to contend with though. Her non-spells especially considering almost all of them are simple straightforward shots, but many of her spell cards follow the same logic to boot. She does have a select few that are complete bonkers however, but soon as you understand the logic behind them and plan ahead sheâs really not bad to deal with.
Difficulty - Extra
Character - Excruciatingly Ordinary Magician: Marisa Kirisame
Extra Stage - Hell (Stormy Area Nearby the Beast Realm)
BGM - The Shining Law of the Strong Eating the Weak
Mid-Boss - Clerical God of Hell's Checkpoint: Kutaka Niwatari
Boss - Matriarch of the Keiga Family: Saki Kurokoma
BGM - Prince Shoutoku's Pegasus ~ Dark Pegasus
Spell Cards
2:19 - Bloody Battle "Watershed of Blood"
2:31 - Bloody Battle "Hell Realm Sight-Line"
2:59 - Bloody Battle "Highly Spirited Oniwatari"
7:49 - Non-spell
8:01 - Agile Skill "Thrilling Shot"
8:21 - Non-spell
8:36 - Agile Skill "Lightning Neigh"
8:57 - Non-spell
9:11 - Agile Skill "Dense Crowd"
9:29 - Non-spell
9:51 - Agile Skill "Beast Epidemicity"
10:22 - Non-spell
10:51 - Agile Skill "Triangle Chase"
11:16 - Non-spell
11:34 - Agile Skill "Black Pegasus Meteor Shot"
11:48 - Non-spell
12:05 - Agile Skill "Muscle Explosion"
12:20 - Non-spell
12:39 - "Follow Me, Unafraid"
13:44 - "Oni-Shaped Hoi Polloi"
15:25 - "Deeds of Devilish Beasts"
Translations courtesy of the Touhou wiki
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store.steampowered.com/app/10... - Hry
Pet often looks like their master they said:
Miko: Causes divine spirit incident
Saki: Causes animal spirit incident
It's all caused by the Moriya Shrine
#MoriyaShrineConspiracy
@@SKtheMage f$@kin' hell Moriya Shrine...
@@SKtheMage after Kanako appeared in 17.5...yeah
I do like how none of the gang leaders fit the themes of their groups.
The leader of the Keiga clan, powerful apex predators, is a horse
The leader of the Gouyoku alliance, proud aerial creatures, is a sheep
The leader of the Kiketsu group, cunning ambush hunters, is a turtle
*MegamanOmega finally finishes the touhou series*
ZUN: aight itâs time to release touhou 17.5
Without fail... every time...
@@MegamanOmega184 and this time it's a...platformer aperently
Time to be new
@@KKYY12 yeah i'm pretty sure everyone was expecting another fighting game...
also i'm pretty sure about 70% of people were *not* expecting fucking oil to be a factor *ever* within touhou
Granted, we aren't even close to getting a demo yet (we JUST GOT THE DARN ANNOUNCEMENT), so I can say you've caught up for the time being.
I've been collecting art of Saki giving Miko piggy back rides.
I require your collection.
I too, require your collection good sir
Unfortunately I only have a few images and they're on my old laptop. I can find them again but I don't know how to link them on youtube. Just search through safebooru for images of Saki and you'll find some.
My thanks fine gentleman
When I first discovered her I drew a picture of her holding Hecatias "hell ball" and then Miko in the background is just watching her .d
Oh god, it's the Touhourse.
i see what you did there
Marisa then: I'll take you to a Shrine maiden
Marisa Now: Stay away from the shrine
_I'm so proud of my little blue (yellow?) boy~_
One of my favorite things about WBaWC was the sheer amount of effort ZUN put into the game's sense of style. Much more than the older games, the new titles (HSiFS and WBaWC in particular) really go all-out on making the game feel like it has a motif. HSiFS was about nature and seasons, so had loads of pretty colors, while WBaWC is all about animals, so it has dark reddish colors and a more gritty appearance, all the way down to having its own, more "intense" HUD font. The other game's backgrounds and such felt a little more generic; they weren't bad, but didn't stand out from each other like these do, instead being consistent overall. I hope ZUN continues making each entry in the series feel more and more like its own thing, it's great.
I myself have been one to categorize the story of Touhou into "arcs," and I agree with you that this might be the start of a new arc/focus in the overarching story. We'll have to wait until a few more games to totally confirm this though.
I personally think we're in the middle of an "outsiders"/"immigrants" arc, which began from ULiL. ULiL is about the Outside World, LoLK is about Moon and Hell, AoCF is about Dream World shenanigans, which continues to VD. And finally, HSiFS introduces Okina, whose job is to protect Gensokyo from outside threats. This game and 17.5 could be extensions to this arc.
Technically, weâre in the midst of the Hell Arc! With the new game featuring âGouyokuâ in the title, and is us heading into hell to track the source of oil, weâre likely going to deal with Toutetsu (whoâs a Taotie - since Toutetsu is the Japanese reading, and both Saki and Yachie are named for their species).
Further more, Visionary Fairies in Shrine recently had an entire section about Hell, and Hecatia and Okina butting heads over it.
The Hell arc began in LoLK - we just canât notice it until we read the side manga!
Honestly, I think the "outsiders" arc you're speaking of started with DDC, as Raiko channeled "outside world energy." Said arc _might_ have ended with VD, but it's too early to tell if WBaWC is starting a new arc or not.
hsifs has too many colours tho, i only got into touhou like this year and i can understand why people would think zun lost his touch before wbawc came out, not saying hsifs is a good game, its just a bit too funky djdkkdkd
Two years later, we have Touhou 17.5 and the appearence of Toutetsu.
two years
worth it
18:18 That's what Marisa did when she met Flan : she basically tried to *HOOK HER UP* with Reimu!
Oh yeah, that. I wonder how that went over with Reimu. I imagine her not being too happy that Marisa tried to hook her up with an unstable killer vampire who may destroy the shrine.
*Howdy cowboy aya intensifies*
For 9:51 there's actually a way to beat the spell by staying only at the bottom, maximizing damage but... of course, it requires some precise misdirection, and if you're playing as Marisa, precise movement thanks to her speed
On a side note, I really hope that the third leader of the Animal Realm doesn't just remain an offscreen character from now on. Toutetsu could make for a very interesting character, I feel.
Wait, who else got revealed? There's Yacchie and...... who else?
EDIT: I'M A DUMBASS! I thought you were talking like, got portrait and stuffs... Learn to read AO, learn to read...
Originally I thought she was gonna show up in the next print work, but now I have a _REALLY_ strong feeling she's showing up in the next game. Hell, her group's name's in the very title, Touhou 15.5: Gouyoku Ibun
@@MegamanOmega184 Heck, they could even show the Shadow Organization in it
Going to put in the 300 IQ into making a guess theyâre connected to Touhou 17.5.
I mean Yuugiâs already making an appearance in the demo, so if thereâs something going on in hell going to the animal realm wouldnât be that much of a detour
Edit: ah, i see someone else made the 300 IQ guess first
@@MegamanOmega184
ZUN confirmed she (let's face it, she'll be a girl) will play a big part in the next game during his interview published in Strange Creators of Outer World.
Saki's favorite song in Persona 5 is "They'll Neigh-ver See it Coming".
I just realized that the boss portrait doesnt cover up the numbers for ypur Power, Graze, and whatever the blue number was. Noticed around 7:21
Also doesnt cover how many more bomb pieces ya need too
The Blue number is the full value of a single Blue Item Drop.
I think it goes up with the roaring mode, but I'm not sure.
"Follow Me, Unafraid" can be done unfocused, especially with Marisa Eagle, but it's 50% chance you won't slam into a bullet, however it always makes Saki lose the most of her health during the fight before she speeds up. I've discovered it at the first time when I faced her.
I'm proud of this comment section
"Not gonna lie, I would love to play a version of the game that didn't have ANY of that"
The universal practice patch actually let's you disable beast spirits. Although on the downside it also disables lives, so you only have 2 lives to clear.
I didn't like this stage at first, but it kinda grew on me and I really liked the stage AND boss theme.
I love how her spells are simple and straightforward, just like her personality.
Nice work! Haven't beat this extra stage yet; probably gonna save it until after I beat the rest of the main games I still haven't completed (14-16). Gonna go back and do all the extra stages from the games then, all in a row. I already beat 8's though, so at least I have one extra stage under my belt, haha.
Saki doesn't look that bad, honestly. She doesn't seem to throw anything out that's too different from what you see in the main game. Her cooldowns look harder than her spells, though I haven't tried them so I can't say for sure. I really like her design and character, though. Seems fitting that she's the wolf spirit's boss, with how wild she is and how kinda nonchalant she is about the whole invasion deal. Music's pretty good, too.
I definitely agree that this seems to be the beginning of a new arc. ZUN seems to be putting a lot more effort into the story this time around, what with the plot twists and background villains that we don't even meet in the game. He's probably trying to tie the stories, characters, and settings into each other more now, and I'm really excited to see how it plays out. Maybe I can dream and Konngara can finally make her triumphant return if we go back to hell!!
I love how Marisa dances to the beat 6:25
i like how this video was posted in 2019
the video length is 2020
and this comment is from 2021
And this reply is from 2022
This Hacatia thing you're talking about in the end is in the print works, isn't it? God I need to catch up to those NOW!
>saki mentions Toutetsu.
right, she would be mentioned here, and then comes along 17.5...
This was a pretty solid game to be honest, barring the visibility issues. Story was pretty different this time too, in a way I like and am looking forward to seeing more of. I expect more Yachie and Saki definitely, as they're leaders of major factions in an equally major realm (something something buddhism's six realms), but I also expect to see Toutetsu and the leader of the fourth unknown faction at some point too, maybe even in 17.5.
Speaking of major named characters without an appearance: I wonder if we'll get to see Tenma ever.
10:29 THE MARISA ABUSE...
17:25 I dunno, 17.5 is about oil spill...
4:33 me when I learned it wasn't mima
First things first: YEEEHAW. And second: Miko, your horse is trying to take over the world, come and get her.
Honestly, I find the stage and Kutaka harder than Saki herself. Bullet visibility is once again negative here >_> why red bullets on a red background? UFO Makai 2 Electric Bugaloo? Still, outside of a few select cards (I have yet to capture Black Pegasus Meteor Shot for example), Saki's attacks aren't bad, even if her non-spells come out wicked fast (basically sucker punching you for daring to go after spirit items). And when in doubt, Otter Roar is your best friend on all but her final card (which was a... pleasant surprise to find out, I must say). Oh and let me tell your her 2nd card is *extremely fun* to do as Reimu with Wolf Roar active. You can't see the lasers at all!
For exploits, her Survival suffers from "Okina" where if you bomb or break a roar she gains a life bar and *can* be finished off to end the card earlier. And despite all her fanfare, her final card is surprisingly simple. Oh and I love that you mention she pulled the "Here, let me die but also kill you with a bullet while you were on your last life". That is such a classic.
I agree with you. Overall 17 is on the easier side. I will call out some stuff being harder than average depending on your shot (like say, any Reimu vs Mayumi's cards). It's not friendly by any means and it has bullet visibility issues, especially on stage 4, but the patterns aren't as sadistic as some of the harder ones. Though resources are still scarce if you don't grab a few of the hidden spirits.
Okinaitis? Okinitis?
A syndrome akin to Kanakitis where an Extra Boss gains a Life bar when bombed during her Survival Spell?
I see it
Can someone explain to me what this power struggle in hell is and how it came about? I'm having trouble seeing it mentioned in the games anywhere before 17, where it supposedly already got started.
Long story short:
Humans are pretty opressed and treated as slaves by animal spirits (as you know, survival of the fittest). And so, they preached for help. The only one who answers: keiki. Keiki basically created an uprising with an untouchable army of haniwas (that can't be touched by spirits, but can be touched by flesh and blood that's why the only one who can beat keiki are the humans in the main cast.) Sadly, in the process of bringing un uprising, she indirectly replaced a dystopia of strong eating the weak with another dystopia of technology runs the world and dependant on laws and government. As zun describes: keiki is similar to an AI overlord which main objective is to uphold law and order. Rest of the events are in the game as you recall. Faking an invasion bla bla bla tricked bla bla bla keiki defeated bla bla bla chaos.
Cowboy Aya cowboy Aya
You know this Extra Stage is literally hell because of the crappy bullet visibility...
15:18 Wow, that was brave!
6:07 I wonder if we'll get the chance to meet Toutetsu one day or if she'll join the "major characters who never show up on screen" club where we can find Tsukuyomi, Chang'e and Tenma...
Honestly, I get the feeling Toutetsu's gonna show up in the next Touhou game, 17.5. If only cause the title of that game (Touhou Gouyoku Ibun
) seems to be named after her group (The Gouyoku Alliance)
@@MegamanOmega184 I never realized that.
Thanks for pointing it out to me :)
@@MegamanOmega184 Well, you were right.
Such a shame that you aren't here to see it :(
@@MegamanOmega184 She actually did, that's actually the case.
So, I'm a little confused. What exactly did Hecatia do to start this conflict in the Animal Realm?
megaman's dancing though
I'm pissed at myself, 'cause I suck as Reimu + Otter in the main game, but I got a No Miss with it on the Extra Stage...
6:51 You're lucky Saint-14 isn't around to punch your lights out.
I don't know how you can really make a good ending out of Hell going back to status quo. If it stops being a place of torture then the cosmos will be in bad shape, actually that's exactly the problem where a god snuck in to make things unusually comfy for humans and pissed off the beast spirits. Usually the enemy just calms down but here they just go back to old grudges.
Interested to see when Saki Kurokoma shows up again, Eika from stage 1 is super cute and deserves all the love, and wouldn't mind some other characters from 3 and up.
16:15 that was actually gives satisfaction
5:36 So the eagle spirit's boss is the only one unaccounted for...
You just *HAD* to pick the one spirit whose boss never shows up, didn't you?
17:34 I thought you were oppressing them like no tomorrow.
19:29 yeah like Marisa's eagle special making some bullets (like in muscle explosion" LITERALLY invisible?
CtC Last Words huh.
Yea that'll be a lot of Luna Dial (just like trying to 100% stage 1 of Luna Nights on a first blind run lol).
17:18 Gotta meet your resurrected owner some days, right?
oh btw, because ZUN seems to be unable to get survival cards to not be buggy as hell, for some reason, if you bomb Saki's survival card, then you can just shoot her down (hell, you kinda have to unless you want to waste more resources since she also regains her hitbox)
He didn't do that *sad noise*
GG
lol. She literally performed the same trick against me (before the victorious attempt, an exchange came out, and on the victorious attempt I also died, but I still had lives left)
Lol
I myself got to "Follow me unafraid" and i fucking suck at extra stages
But this is actually really helpful
6:50 And don't get me started with Falco and Revali.
3:34 And I know who she'll be playing as.
18:39 Maybe we'll finally know who the hell is Konngara.
As long they dont meet a guy in a green armor
GOUYOKU IBUN! GOUYOKU IBUN!
*Y E E H A W* đ€ âšđ«
5:32 if i was an eagle spirit i would definitely get into marisa
is that 'magician red'?
Is that one armed crow Tifa?
7:21 So Miko's horse is stronger than her?
thing is, i can't keep my focus with so many spells coming altogeter lol
an update, 1cc'd marisa and cleared extra right after in one try today
WOLF TOGETHER STRONG
*''you've yeed you last haw''* 16:23
god dammit :))
marisa now u messed up everything đ€Šââïž
I've heard rumors that 17.5 is a platformer. Would that be the first official platformer?
Technically yes, but keep in mind it's _not_ a platformer, rather it's a side scroller action game. Difference being it seems really not unlike the "boss rush" style of gameplay the fighters have.
The demo has Reimu fighting Marisa, Kogasa then Yuugi with more bosses coming when the game comes out. Plus it's theorized that every boss with be playable in their own scenario.
oh, how curious. so the big question is... Will Koishi show up?
17:24 nope.
20:10
CtC last words?
Seems like it.
I didn't know he was going to do the LWs (as he didn't do that in IN).
But hey, HSiFS Stage 5 spells are still waiting xD
There are a few you missed based on who you defeat first.
I see.
I guess we all can wait one more week to find out who won in the Poll.
I Almost forgot that CtC had a last word, well mainly cause I only remember it using Luna Dial as a Last Word theme.
yeehaw
i need to get better at this game lol
Cj
I just died at the end lol
3 times...
her attitude pisses me off
This stage is not too hard compare to other extra stages.
LoL K