I think Behn Wilson was tougher than Probert, Bob was over-rated. Jay Miller beat him both times they fought. Jody Shelly beat him 4 times. I would put Shultz ahead of Probert , and Brown is just as tough.
@@47tooter Jody Shelly beat Probert when he was over the hill, that doesn't prove much. Probert was known for his consistency as a fighter. Brown's limitation was he was just his left hand like Kocur was just his right hand.
Funny how Detroit drafted all three of them in the same draft, Grimson, Probert and Kocur all in 1983. Plus Yzerman, too. Crazy. Detroit 1983 draft: Round 1 Steve Yzerman Round 3 Bob Probert Round 5 Joey Kocur Round 10 Stu Grimson
Pound for oound, Kocur was amazing....usually taking on guys taller and heavier and whupping or drawing with virtually every one of them. He was also a guy who fought with honor and rarely jumped an unsuspecting opponent like so many other "tough" guys.
Absolutely! fun thing about Stu was when he was young with the Hawks, you didn't WHERE, WHEN, or IF, he was gonna' pull A Nutty, don't know if it was JESUS who stopped all that, but if it was JESUS rewarded him with better balance, and more assertiveness, he was one of the few guys who got better with age, I remember actually feeling bad for other guy's while I watched Stu "String Them Out", and pick them apart with heavy, accurate punches, Langdon, Churla, and Vandenbussche come to mind, each one did well to a degree, but a times in some of those fights it looked like a man fighting a little kid, felt the same way sometimes when Kocur fought, these two were Dangerous individuals.
Agreed...as a Hawks fan...I watched him learn his craft. He had balance issues....but when he figured out those little nuances...he was tough to beat. The Grim Reaper...I still have a Grimson Hawks jersey with a joke "Captain C" on it for added flavor. Always gets laughs...and fist bumps.
Now it’s a sport filled with undersized ( with every franchise fabricating inflated height and weight stats to pump up their squad artificially ) little boys who come from over privileged stock that represent these prima donna-esque Nancy boys coming from money who seem more concerned with their hair styles , good looks and their own stats and ice time rather than mucking it up and playing as a team . Oh and now they get to play pretend tough guy with mandated visors and other rules which have cracked down and toned down the once necessary toughness and self accountability a player needed in the former NHL . Go back to the 70s, 80s and most certainly 90s and the NHL was filled with rough and tough good old Canadian and North American farm boys who had to struggle both in life, as they didn’t come from money, and struggle just in purely making the NHL as there weren’t as many teams so there were less spots available both in the draft and in general . I mean nothing against European Hockey , but there was a reason why back in the 90s the NHL had at maximum 15 to 20 percent European players ( the majority of which coming out of the glorious Soviet Union and their satellite nations ) because only the best and toughest Euro players had the skill and resilience to even play in the NHL . Thus you know the NHL has gone soft for the league is comprised now of 40 percent Euro players who otherwise wouldn’t be playing here if the league hadn’t purposely toned down the physicality to the point where half of these guys feel at liberty now to keep their head down and then have the audacity to pull off the “ Michigan “ move in a regular season NHL game . I’m sorry but if you pulled that stunt back in the 80s and 90s you would have half the other team gunning at you trying to take your head off and rightfully so . Keep that pansy hotdog crap out the NHL - but such a league doesn’t exist anymore. NHL hockey is kinda of , what’s the word , gay now …..gay as in the old English definition meaning happy of course.
This was in the old Chicago Stadium which had the best sounding organ in the league. Apparently, if it was played loud enough it could blast all of the windows in the stadium. The arenas had personality back then. Now they’re pretty much cookie cutter styled.
I met Kocur at a Red Wings Alumni event in my hometown. He seemed surprisingly soft spoken. I did notice his hands when he autographed my program, looked so mangled. I only wish that I could have met Bob Probert.
@@pickles8299 McSorley got better after early years with the Pengiins. Adding about 60 pounds in the ROIDS era didn't hurt. Incredible stamina like Probert, Langdon and Jay Miller.
NO KEN DANIELS. He'd be saying "Stu Grimson grew up in ButtFace Ohio. He loves Sausage and Mushroom Pizza. He had 3 goals, in 3 weeks, in the last 3 seasons"....Ken would be saying that - while the fight's going on lol.
@@mirandasalinas9412 I'm gonna be getting Grimson's book for my birthday!! I've always had a soft spot for Stu because of how before I ever even saw any NHL footage, I always used to like playing NHLPA 93 on the Megadrive, and because Chicago was my favourite team in that game, I felt like I needed an enforcer to counter Bob Probert with the Wings, and I was impressed at Stu's 85% fighting skill statistic, since it wasn't far below Probert's 100% fighting stat!!!!!
@@mirandasalinas9412 Agreed!! I can't help but admire his tenacity and determination, losing several fights against Probie early on, but still fighting him 14 times, and winning some, further on down the line!!!! Apparently Grimson fought Laraque a lot as well, even though Probert said in his book that he was glad he never felt the full brunt of Laraque's punches!!!! Whereas it looked like Grimson did in his last battle against Laraque. :(
@@mirandasalinas9412 Ya!!!! It made me respect him more when he said he wanted to quit because he knew that eventually, big Derek Boogaard would do some serious damage to him in a fight!!!!! It's a shame he didn't actually say that while Boogaard was actually alive, because it seemed like Boogaard badly needed to be lifted out of that pit of depression and angst that he was in. :( I'm still amazed to hear that he was 300lbs when he was a Ranger!!!! To me, it just beggars belief, a 300lb man in a hockey jersey, skating around in NHL games like just another player!!!!
There was a game were kocur when I head and challenge domi and said severall times let's do this and dhoni refused he wanted no part of kocur right hand
Funny how fans can get away with posting NHL fight videos because the NHL likes to pretend it doesn't openly encourage fighting, so if they had fan videos taken down so they could make money from posting fight videos officially on youtube, they'd then look like they WERE condoning fighting in games. Funny how lying always comes back on people in the end. ;*P
To be fair, Grimson's prime came a bit later during his years with Detroit and Hartford. He was certainly scary with that ridiculous reach and improved punching power by then.
I think if Grimson didn't have to tie up Kucor's arms, he would have most likely knocked the crap out of Kucor. He didn't seem phased or too worried about fighting Joey. Yes, Kucor is a powerhouse but going toe to toe, I would bet my money on Grimson.
@@foodfudd ummmm...Stu had to tie up Kocur's arms so he wouldn't get knocked the fuck out. If Kocur had his right arm totally free Stu would have been out.
two of the all time great NHL enforcers doing what they did back in the day. what a joy it was growing up watching hockey in that era
Well Kocur was top ten Probert obviously the GOAT, but grimson deffinetly top 20 not top ten. But they all were awesome in my book
I think Behn Wilson was tougher than Probert, Bob was over-rated.
Jay Miller beat him both times they fought. Jody Shelly beat him 4 times.
I would put Shultz ahead of Probert , and Brown is just as tough.
@@47tooter Jody Shelly beat Probert when he was over the hill, that doesn't prove much. Probert was known for his consistency as a fighter. Brown's limitation was he was just his left hand like Kocur was just his right hand.
The organ in the old Chicago stadium....Wings and Hawks games in this era where great!
So many great memories, as a Wings fan. The old Norris division was what I grew up on. The organ playing during fights was the Chefs kiss.
Ahhh memories of when the NHL was must-see TV. So entertaining back then! Such a fun assortment of tough guys.
My all time favorites those two, Grimson and Kocur...good old days...
Kocur was badass. As soon as he came to the Rangers, the cheap shots against the star players automatically stopped. Not a coincidence.
tampajohn Absolutely. Especially Vukota and Baumgartner from the Islanders. The bullying of the Rangers stopped when they got Kocur.
probert was always regarded as the best fighter overall but kocur was the one other fighters feared the most.
The Rangers already were stacked in the toughness department- joe kocur put them over the top
Of course the cheapshots stopped if they didn't it was like drawing straws cause you either fought domi or Kocur. Take your pick and I'm from Detroit
@@danski6694 They didn't have a legit heavyweight, until Kocur arrived. Domi became one after his Ranger days.
The Red Wings drafted all 3 of those guys in the same draft. Grimson Kocur and Probert.
Basil mcrae too
Jimmy c Basil went in 80 to Quebec
I didn’t know that til I read “tough guy”
And Yzerman!!!!!! The Wings really struck gold that year!!!! They were lucky they got Yzerman too, since he was the 4th pick of the year!!!!!
Petr Klima, also!! I love that the Wings had that amazing draft in 1983, because I was born that year!!!1
Can you imagine the Grim reaper and the bruise Brothers playing in the modern nhl? Or should I say ice capades....
Todays nhl is gay
And the award for most pointless observation goes to this knob.
Lol 😂 ikr...
Reaves would be shaking in his boots😂😂
Funny how Detroit drafted all three of them in the same draft, Grimson, Probert and Kocur all in 1983.
Plus Yzerman, too.
Crazy.
Detroit 1983 draft:
Round 1 Steve Yzerman
Round 3 Bob Probert
Round 5 Joey Kocur
Round 10 Stu Grimson
Stu and Joey are two of my all-time favorites.
This is why Kocur was the best. Even big sluggers like Grimson had to work overtime tying up that right hand. The fear was real.
Kocur=Best Right Hand in Hockey
That fight I think is the one where Stu lined up next to Kocur and said "Joey, I don't want to do this, but I need my job."
Those Wings Hawks games back in the 80s use to be WARS! Fun times!
Pound for oound, Kocur was amazing....usually taking on guys taller and heavier and whupping or drawing with virtually every one of them. He was also a guy who fought with honor and rarely jumped an unsuspecting opponent like so many other "tough" guys.
he didnt seem to tied up like other fighters did
Don't miss with those Kocur/ Clark boys. They aren't the tallest but they certainly know how to bring their opponents face down to their fist level.
Stu was a guy who became better as he progressed throughout his career. He was tough as a Hawk but not like he was with the Ducks, Whalers, Wings etc.
Absolutely! fun thing about Stu was when he was young with the Hawks, you didn't WHERE, WHEN, or IF, he was gonna' pull A Nutty, don't know if it was JESUS who stopped all that, but if it was JESUS rewarded him with better balance, and more assertiveness, he was one of the few guys who got better with age, I remember actually feeling bad for other guy's while I watched Stu "String Them Out", and pick them apart with heavy, accurate punches, Langdon, Churla, and Vandenbussche come to mind, each one did well to a degree, but a times in some of those fights it looked like a man fighting a little kid, felt the same way sometimes when Kocur fought, these two were Dangerous individuals.
Agreed...as a Hawks fan...I watched him learn his craft. He had balance issues....but when he figured out those little nuances...he was tough to beat. The Grim Reaper...I still have a Grimson Hawks jersey with a joke "Captain C" on it for added flavor. Always gets laughs...and fist bumps.
Kocur was strong as an ox from "slewin" -picking up giant stones and pieces of ice on farm as a kid to throw onto trucks
He was built like an NFL fullback. Just thick and solid.
Farm boy strength is no joke.
Steroids didn’t hurt, either 👍
@@jscottrockford I never really heard of Kocur being a juicer . Tony Twist I heard , yes , as that’s infamous . But Kocur ?
The fact that Kocur could put such a big man on the defensive was scary!! If only we could've seen him against Boogaard!
Looked like Stu didn't want to let those hands loose.
Well that makes sense. Kocur shrugged out of his pads at 0:32!!!! If Grimson lost his grip on Kocur's arm, he never would've got it again!!!!
The good old days. Back when hockey was a man’s sport. Two of the best ever.
Now it’s a sport filled with undersized ( with every franchise fabricating inflated height and weight stats to pump up their squad artificially ) little boys who come from over privileged stock that represent these prima donna-esque Nancy boys coming from money who seem more concerned with their hair styles , good looks and their own stats and ice time rather than mucking it up and playing as a team .
Oh and now they get to play pretend tough guy with mandated visors and other rules which have cracked down and toned down the once necessary toughness and self accountability a player needed in the former NHL . Go back to the 70s, 80s and most certainly 90s and the NHL was filled with rough and tough good old Canadian and North American farm boys who had to struggle both in life, as they didn’t come from money, and struggle just in purely making the NHL as there weren’t as many teams so there were less spots available both in the draft and in general .
I mean nothing against European Hockey , but there was a reason why back in the 90s the NHL had at maximum 15 to 20 percent European players ( the majority of which coming out of the glorious Soviet Union and their satellite nations ) because only the best and toughest Euro players had the skill and resilience to even play in the NHL . Thus you know the NHL has gone soft for the league is comprised now of 40 percent Euro players who otherwise wouldn’t be playing here if the league hadn’t purposely toned down the physicality to the point where half of these guys feel at liberty now to keep their head down and then have the audacity to pull off the “ Michigan “ move in a regular season NHL game . I’m sorry but if you pulled that stunt back in the 80s and 90s you would have half the other team gunning at you trying to take your head off and rightfully so . Keep that pansy hotdog crap out the NHL - but such a league doesn’t exist anymore. NHL hockey is kinda of , what’s the word , gay now …..gay as in the old English definition meaning happy of course.
miss cchicago stadium on tv so gritty and those steps to the basement
The original mad house on Madison. The crazy loud fans and that Barton organ!
Loved the old stadium, nothing like being there.
Best rink of all time
@@ToddCrispies Best sports venue period IMHO! Anthem, fans, organ and foghorn.
Legends
That was a lot of struggling against each other!!!!! Must've been exhausting!!!!!!
As a Blues fan I loved when we played the Hawks and Wings. There was always fights.
If this were to happen today it would have been broken up at the :20 mark.
Kocur with the win here. Landed some nice punches.
Grimson was lucky he didn't lose his helmet
Look at the size difference and Kocur had little trouble.
Kocur was listed at 220 lbs. Not huge, but not exactly small.
This was in the old Chicago Stadium which had the best sounding organ in the league. Apparently, if it was played loud enough it could blast all of the windows in the stadium. The arenas had personality back then. Now they’re pretty much cookie cutter styled.
Both seem to be great guys in person. If you meet Joey Kocur and can gather the nerve, ask if you can see his right hand.
timomomomo i met stu in person and he was a total gentleman.
I met Kocur at a Red Wings Alumni event in my hometown. He seemed surprisingly soft spoken. I did notice his hands when he autographed my program, looked so mangled. I only wish that I could have met Bob Probert.
Those scores, and that fight probably made for a depressing night in Chicago, that night. :(
ALWAYS when Detroit was in town!
Yeah, but a fun fight filled 3rd period! Woooo wHoooo.....🤗🤛
grimson ate a couple of rights and was looking for the linesman.
For a bigger heavyweight, Grimson sure took a lot of punches in his fights
Stu was one of the few guys who got better with age. Guys like Probert, Domi, McSorely, and so on got a lot worse
@@pickles8299 McSorley got better after early years with the Pengiins. Adding about 60 pounds in the ROIDS era didn't hurt. Incredible stamina like Probert, Langdon and Jay Miller.
He got hit, but not hurt. He did his share of damage.
He challenged Kocur. Right away.
Grimson holding on for dear life here.
I forgot how good Kocur could scrap. Stu was of the heavyweights for quite a few years and I give Kocur the win there.
Joey DEFINITELY got the BETTER of Stu on this one👊👊🤛👏👍
The Grim Reaper was a true tough guy, but he was holding on for dear life in this one after taking a few rights from Kocur.
NO KEN DANIELS. He'd be saying "Stu Grimson grew up in ButtFace Ohio. He loves Sausage and Mushroom Pizza. He had 3 goals, in 3 weeks, in the last 3 seasons"....Ken would be saying that - while the fight's going on lol.
Looks to me like Stu did a great job in preventing Joey from removing his head.
Grimson manhandled most of his opponents. Not Kocur. Kocur lit him up every time!
Stu's jersey at 1:08 the collar got a tiny bit stretched out
It's funny because eventually in a couple of years Stu would be doing the same to other people when he got better.
Stu looked bad in this one. Almost as if his failure early to get a better grip on the right of Kocur had him playing defense the whole fight.
1:16 At the end, McGill was like, "I'll tell you how to beat Kocur at the end of the game, Stu!"
@Jerry Thomas McGill dropped Kocur once!!!
Grimson ate a couple big right hands and was done
I miss the old Chuck Norris division.
Grimson was just trying to survive here Kocur was zoned in here
Stu looked liked a clumsy ox in this one. He was tough but terrible balance at least in this one.
Nice to know the date. To think just a month later, Grimson would have his first fight with Probie!!!!!!!
@@mirandasalinas9412 I'm gonna be getting Grimson's book for my birthday!! I've always had a soft spot for Stu because of how before I ever even saw any NHL footage, I always used to like playing NHLPA 93 on the Megadrive, and because Chicago was my favourite team in that game, I felt like I needed an enforcer to counter Bob Probert with the Wings, and I was impressed at Stu's 85% fighting skill statistic, since it wasn't far below Probert's 100% fighting stat!!!!!
@@mirandasalinas9412 Agreed!! I can't help but admire his tenacity and determination, losing several fights against Probie early on, but still fighting him 14 times, and winning some, further on down the line!!!! Apparently Grimson fought Laraque a lot as well, even though Probert said in his book that he was glad he never felt the full brunt of Laraque's punches!!!! Whereas it looked like Grimson did in his last battle against Laraque. :(
@@mirandasalinas9412 Ya!!!! It made me respect him more when he said he wanted to quit because he knew that eventually, big Derek Boogaard would do some serious damage to him in a fight!!!!! It's a shame he didn't actually say that while Boogaard was actually alive, because it seemed like Boogaard badly needed to be lifted out of that pit of depression and angst that he was in. :( I'm still amazed to hear that he was 300lbs when he was a Ranger!!!! To me, it just beggars belief, a 300lb man in a hockey jersey, skating around in NHL games like just another player!!!!
@@STEJTHEGREATEST Nobody could beat Probert in NHLPA ‘93!!
Although it would take about 100 punches to put Domi down too 😂
@@danski6694 When I was a teenager, I'd play as Chicago, and my friend would hunt my Roenick with his Probert, trying to injure and fight him!!
Geez. Stu asks for the fight, then hangs on for most of it like a wee GAL.
Stu threw a good amount of punches.
Stu was very inexperienced at this point.He definitely got better with age..
please dont hurt me, please dont hurt me, please dont hurt me
Well done Kocur!!!!!
When the opponent throws his chin is wide open. 😳
So let him throw. 🙄
Kocur landed some good shots.
Kocur was only 6' tall, hardly a giant.
Grim reaper 🤣grim is the right word
Kocur was a fucking terrifying animal
That's why they called it the Chuck Norris Division.
Grimson and Kocur …..over and over
"My, my such sweet things".
Sth would go wild against other teams, he knew Joey was tougher than he was, Grimson lost here
DID KOCUR EVER FIGHT DOMI?
They were good friends from their days with the Rangers. That may have been one of the reasons why they never fought.
Domi was a beast. Especially for his size.
There was a game were kocur when I head and challenge domi and said severall times let's do this and dhoni refused he wanted no part of kocur right hand
As far as i know. NO ! They were good friends and teammates with the new York Rangers .
Funny how fans can get away with posting NHL fight videos because the NHL likes to pretend it doesn't openly encourage fighting, so if they had fan videos taken down so they could make money from posting fight videos officially on youtube, they'd then look like they WERE condoning fighting in games. Funny how lying always comes back on people in the end. ;*P
So, the NHL's lawyers haven't sent sent you a "Cease and Desist"?
@@jasonsabourin2275 I'm not posting the videos!!!!
Kocur was really rrying, but not doing much damage. Grimson defending well and doing very little damage as well.
Cause Stew was hanging on for dear life
THE GRIM WEEPER
Joey beat him every time
Grimson was tough but not Kocur- Probert tough !! He was holding on for dear life in this fight, Kocur had a jack-hammer right hand.
To be fair, Grimson's prime came a bit later during his years with Detroit and Hartford. He was certainly scary with that ridiculous reach and improved punching power by then.
Гримсон здоровый, но ленивый.
Doesn't Grimson have a master's degree or something?
bareknuckles2u He has a law degree. He would have been a brain surgeon had kocur not punched him in the head so many times
Wings always beat the sht out of grimson and every shitcago player.
Grimson was big, but not that strong. Smaller man could take him.
Can't stand Grimson! B.Probert beat him a little!)))
💋❤X2
Hang on Stu ..... lmao
Stu was overrated. Good but overrated
Stu the punching bag Grimsom gets owned again
Fighting shouldn't be part of the game BUT I've never seen someone get up to go for a beer when a good scrap was happening.
lol
same reason your priest doesnt get up for a beer after you orally pleasure him....lol
clown
Grimson owned Kocurs ass
I think if Grimson didn't have to tie up Kucor's arms, he would have most likely knocked the crap out of Kucor. He didn't seem phased or too worried about fighting Joey. Yes, Kucor is a powerhouse but going toe to toe, I would bet my money on Grimson.
@@foodfudd ummmm...Stu had to tie up Kocur's arms so he wouldn't get knocked the fuck out. If Kocur had his right arm totally free Stu would have been out.
Grinmson won because he shrugged off all Kocur's punjces like they were nothing, and was coimng back at the end when Kocur was tired!!!!!!!!!
Agreed, but you'd never know that from listening to these homer Wing announcers.
Plus, Kocur was only really able to start his big attack when Grimson slipped at 0:09!!!!!!!!!
LMAO!!! You obviously are joking.
Put the pipe down.
Grimson won.