Ur of the Chaldees: Where was it? A Jewish Perspective
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- This video explores where the potential location of Ur of the Chaldees was according to Jewish tradition. Since the Woolley expedition in the 1920s it has been assumed by most scholars that the city of Ur and the biblical Ur of the Chaldees were synonymous. We will explore alternative sites.
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Türkçe: Bu Sümer uygarlığı döneminde antik Mezopotamya şehir devletlerinin bir haritasıdır.
English: This is a map of the city states of ancient Mesopotamia during the Sumerian civilization.
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English: Harran beehive houses
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English: The Hittite Empire, approximate extent of the maximum area of the Hittite rule (light green) and the Hittite rule ca. 1350-1300 BC (green line)
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العربية: أنقاض مدينة أور الأثرية في محافظة ذي قار جنوب العراق
English: Ruins in the Town of Ur, Southern Iraq
Español: Ruinas de la ciuad de Ur con el Zigurat de Ur-Nammu al fondo a las afueras de Nasiriyah.
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English: Map of the main cities of Lower Mesopotamia during the Early Dynastic period, with the approximate course of the rivers and the ancient shoreline of the Gulf.
Français : Carte des principales villes de la Basse Mésopotamie durant la période des Dynasties Archaïques, avec le tracé approximatif des fleuves et l'ancien trait de côte du Golfe.
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English: Balikli Göl, Şanlıurfa, Turkey
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English: Harran beehive houses
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English: A fishing boat in the Euphrates southern Iraq
العربية: قارب صيد محلي في نهر الفرات جنوب العراق في ذي قار
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Awesome. I've just visited Urfa (Sanliurfa). It feels right that Abraham was born and lived in Urfa. Then moved to Haran.
so interesting! thanks for sharing!
Thanks Chava!
Abraham's Ur was in Turkey near the Syrian boarder.
Urkesh?
Ibrahim Al-Khalil was born in Iraq🇮🇶
In Ur, southern Iraq
Ur is the oldest city in the world
The name Iraq is derived from the name Uruk
Burial of Ibrahim Al-Khalil in Palestine🇵🇸 in the city of Nablus
There are also prophets buried in Iraq
Like Khidr and Daniel from the prophets of the Children of Israel
There is also the tomb of the Prophet Yunus
There are the graves of the grandchildren of the Messenger of God, Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets, and his last grandson, the Mahdi, who disappeared into the Euphrates River.
I do think that ancient Babylon was one of the most ancient civilisations of the world too
Hi, thank you for watching and leaving your thoughts. There are most definitely scholars who agree with you that Abraham was born in Ur. I was presenting an alternative opinion. To the best o my knowledge, the city of Jericho is the oldest city on earth. Al Khalil is Hebron, not Nablus. All the best.
@@bluegreen686 it truly was and I am proud of my history I am chealdean chatolic
gobekli teppe? maybe?...
@@bluegreen686 I would follow Gods inspired word first, if you dont then what else can you say is wrong. I would also think it possible that other stories happened or was thought to have happened/occurred as the prospective of others writing about it was the best information at the time or place. well, if they had TV or the internet they would find truth faster...Ah, well maybe not. Peace!
Great job navigating your way to enlightenment. Also I'd like to enlighten you a little bit more that Mount Nemrut(Nimrod) is due north from both Urfa(Sanliurfa) & Harran. The tower that stands today in Harran, whilst not the original, should also cast aspersion on the tower of Babel location.
Wow 😯 I’ll have a look into that I was just reading the story of the Tower of Babel tonight with my son.
Yep.... I wondered if Abram cut the statues heads off at Nemrut.
Sogmatar is also quite close to Haran. Its a celestial observatory with a huge mound. I wouldn't be surprised if there was an attempt to build a tower onto of that mound.
I worked on it for 5 Years .
Sorry it is German :
geschichte-bronzezeit.blogspot.com/2022/09/die-urheimat-der-arier-chur-das-land.html
@@focalfusion The Book of the Cave of Treasures translated by Budge makes reference to God sending incredible wind storms to cover up all the local Idol sites. The text explains that as the reason there were mounds of dust in that region. This would have happened during Nahor, senior's day (Abraham's grandpappy). The text says that in spite of this the people did not repent, which is why Abraham's grandfather and father continued in the idol making business.
The top of Nemrut is clearly a huge mound on top of a large mountain, and that would have been during Nahor, senior's lifetime. So with terrible wind storms, god took down the tower of Babel and all the surrounding idol worshipping sites. It also makes sense that the tower would be on top of a high mountain, because one of it's purposes was to be able to withstand another flood from God using the craftmanship fo technology of man. To think that Nahor and Terah would have continued to be in the idol worship business after experiencing all of this goes to show just how lost Shem's lineage had become until Abraham came to restore it.
"So old man, where did Abraham come from?"
"Er..."
*writes that down*
Yha God took him out if that pagen people writ that doun
t UR key
Basra, Iraq that's where Abraham was born.
I agree with you totally. . Abraham s relatives where Syrian Gen 25:20, 28:5-10, 31:20-25. Also the towns in the area, are Suruc, Harran, Til-turahi (Ruin of Tara)
excellent discussion
There's a tradition in Turkey that Abraham's birthplace was near the Gobleki. He may have moved to Ur after the Tower of Babel incident
But when Abraham or Abram was in Ur, Chaldeans haven't even appear, yet, sense Abraham was some time 2000bc or earlier, good chance he was in Ur, where they still spoke a Semitic language Akkadian, an good chance Abraham was from families that were coming in or settling around Ur.
Kurdistan
@@EasternOrthodox101 Sumarians, not the Chaldeans, Sumarians were in Ur and other states, Chaldians were the invaders
Sanliurfa is just six miles from Gbekli Tepe. A couple hours walk.
1:57
In pashto language the word for Fire is Ur.
Maybe there is a link somewhere
Kardu, kartu is the name of modern Georgians. Georgians call themselves kart-veli which means karduan. It is neighboring Armenia and Cutha (quta - as it is pronounced) could be the then capital of Georgia quta-isi (mentioned in the myth of argonauts). and yes You can find people with family names Kaldani. Of course I am not asserting anything, just too many familiar ethnonyms and toponyms. 😊
I think it's very possible that Abraham came from Ur in Mesopotamia.
Ur and Haran share the same city deity : the moon god Sin/Nanna.
Sarai = Sarratu = the title of Sin's wife.
Laban = Full white moon
Milcah = Sin's daughter.
Terah could be possibly yerah, which means moon.
The Talmud also has a story about abraham worshipping the moon. But then after witnessing it making place for the sun and vice versa realises that there must something higher that controls both the moon and sun and drops his former faith
I also think he went initially as a high priest of Sin to the holy land to start a colony for the temple cult of Sín or as some kind of ambassador. That is why he is literally traveling with an army strong enough to kill a coalition of local kings. He must have travelled pretty grandiose. That is why he was afraid they spotted and take Sarah (otherwise a nobody).
The group splits between Sin worshippers and the ones that accept his new god. This is the story of Isaac and Ishmael. The Ishmaelites lose and are banished towards the deserts.
Ishmaelism evolved into Islam. Muhammad said multiple times he is a descendant of Ishmael. And in Islam the moon is hugely important. Ramadan for example works on moon stances. His only wonder had to do with the moon etc. Even the Kaaba stone is a "moon" stone. A meteorite. Which was placed there by Abraham himself according to Muhammad.
The Islamic story of Isaac and Ishmael might've been the story as told by the Ishmaelites. A tradition now lost. A henotheistic Sin-Abrahamic offshoot tradition that circumcised and had dietary laws.
we as hebrew israelites celebrate the new moon its about renewal of spirit
It all originated in India. Abram is Ram. Rama- dan comes from Ram. Lunar calendars, moon worship derived from Shiva worship. Black stones are Shivlings. Isha is Shiva. Yeshua is Krishna. The Arabs learned astronomy and mathematics from India.
@@EasternOrthodox101 Sheba is Shiva. I can't put all the evidence here. Some of the immigration may well have been from South India. You have to read the books I referenced. The word Hebrew is derived from a Sanskrit word. The language must be too. As I said, Jerusalem is Yeru-shalayim in Hebrew and Yadu-ishalayam in Sanskrit, meaning rock of the Yadus or Jews. So it's obvious. Joktan, or Yoktan, would require further research but if you look for a Sanskrit/Indian derivation and take it that the movement was from India to the Middle East and not the other way round then I've no doubt Joktan could be found somewhere in the Indian texts.
If Hebrew was the world's first language how come everything in Europe is named in Sanskrit? Canterbury is Shanka-puri, Shiva's town. Thames is tamas, dirty, dark, muddy. Nile means blue in Sanskrit. Every place name in Greece has a counterpart in NW India (India in Greece, Pococke). Russia is land of the Rishis. England is derived from anguli meaning finger in Sanskrit. Every European country whose name ends in ia is Sanskrit. That's nearly all of them. Rome is Roma is Rama. The mysterious Etruscans were from India. The evidence has been deliberately obscured for reasons I'm not clear about but once you do the research it becomes very clear. Just the prevalence of swastikas all over the place is good evidence.
And how could a major culture have originated in an arid region like the Middle East? It makes no sense. India is far more fertile in everything.
@@EasternOrthodox101 Well they say proto indo European was the first language. Sanskrit is its first descendant, which is why Sanskrit derived names are found all over Europe and the Middle East. There is a connection between Sanskrit and Hebrew but I'd have to research that further.
Read Reginald Fessenden "The Deluged Civilization of the Caucasus Isthmus" It was in SE Turkey
The story goes, Abram left the city of Ur, who's city god was Nanna the moon god, who the Babylonians would call Sin, and it was the Lord of that city that sent him Abram, not Abraham, (the ram not the ham) on his way. Abram was reborn Abraham much later.
When did Job live?
There are two major deities during Abraham ancestors .
This were Enki and Enlil
Enki is deity of sea ,water and life preservation.
Enki is the deity who founded the pre flood cities of sumer.
Enki is also known as Samyza in ancient Hebrew .
Enki is also known as Posiedon in ancient Greek
Enki is also known as Neptune in ancient Roman.
Enki is also known as Vishnu in ancient Hindu
Enki is also Njord in ancient norse.
Noah is also known as Ziusudra in ancient sumer.
Noah is also known as Vaivasvata Manu in ancient Hindu
Noah is also known as athrahsis in ancient Akkadian
Noah is also known as Utnaphistim in ancient urok.
Noah is also known as Deucalion in ancient Greek.
Samyza/Vishnu/Posiedon is the deity who guided Noah during great flood.
Enlil is the deity of storm and destruction .
Enlil is also known as Gad who gave Adam and eve the fruit of knowledge.
Enlil is also known as Zeus in ancient Greek
Enlil is also known as Jupiter in ancient Roman.
Enlil is also known as Hadad in ancient Assyrian and armenean
Enlil is also known as Baal in ancient Canaanites.
Enlil is also known as Assur in ancient Akkadian
Enlil is also known as Odin in ancient norse.
Enlil is also known as Seth in ancient Egypt .
Enlil is also known as bel
Enlil is also known as Crom in ancient Cimmerian.
Enlil is also known as Indra in ancient Hindu
Enlil is also known as papaseus in ancient scytian.
Ziusudra/Noah is the descendants of the 8 antideluvian kings of sumer.
Adam as king alulim
Seth as king alulgar
Enosh as king enmengulanna
Methuselah as king enmendulanna
Enoch as king enmendurinki
Lamech as king ubara tutu
Lamech is the last atideluvian king known as the father of Ziusudra or Noah.
Pre flood sumer were 🎉founded by Enki/Samyza/Vishnu/Poseidon 445,000years
Eridug.
Badtibira
Larak
Sippar
Shurupak
Post flood sumer are 🎉
Kish city
Urok
Ur
Umma
Akkad.
Babylon
Girsu
Isin
Lagash
Elam
THIS IS THE GREAT EXAMPLE OF: "SOMETIMES The most dangerous place is the safest place" ON EARTH QUOTE... LIL DID CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM KNOW, FATHER ABARAHAM A.K.A (47) IBRAHIM MIGRATED FROM THIS AREA WANDERING AROUND.
Şanlıurfa makes the most sense. Also, the word "Ur" itself just means "city." Each great kingdom would have had its Ur.
According to the OT. Abraham came from Ur in Chaldea.
Many theologians now believe that this Ur in Chaldea was Ur in Sumer at the mouth of the Euphrates, but that is wrong. Every historian knows that it was the time of Abraham around 1900BC. There were no Chaldeans in Sumer because the Chaldean Kassites only arrived around 1450 BC. to Babylon.
Ur in Sumer was a theocratic country and private ownership was frowned upon. But Abraham was wealthy and had a large flock. Therefore, he couldn't have come from Ur In summer.
But where did Abraham come from?
There was another Ur in the North Caucasus. The names UR-mia-sea and Kura -Araxas indicate this. It was the land of SUR known as ARAM-NAHARIM that extended to Syria. Aram and Nahor have been Abraham's relatives and Rebekah was an Aramean.🤠
Why make video so confusing? Just state what seems most accurate instead of all the arguments you don’t agree with. In the end I don’t even know what the point was.
I appreciate your feedback. I will try to timestamp my final answer in the future.
He is just providing an exhaustive list of possibilities and why those ones don’t make sense. It’s important to look at other possibilities so that if one of those gets mentioned to you later you have a frame of reference for it.
@@seankrake4776 There's like 2 possibilities, the right one, and the wrong one.
@@seankrake4776 I dont think its important to look at possibilities that are not true. Just like I don't think we need to bring up Adam and Eve when talking about evolution.
@@perretti I think it is important, because not everyone agrees prior to watching the video. Different people have different levels of knowledge, and are coming into this experience with different beliefs about the topic. By addressing multiple common theories, you can make the argument for why those are not correct, and yours is. If you do not address other common theories, then people who subscribe to those ideas will assume you don’t understand their view and think you are missing something. Everyone thinks that what they think is true, is true, because that’s what they think. Without any persuasion for why they are wrong, you argument for why you are right is likely to be met with opposition.
This is awesome... to know the Geography Where the LORD spoke to Abraham. On the Map's it's wow because they was their 400 but the exit the Exile never to return.
Shinar is NOT sumer at all in the least. That's 1 generation ago error. Shinar is placed in area of babylon or babel and north of akkad in southern assyria and babylonia region. Far outside sumer and alien to sumer as well way so as well as alien to akkad too.
Thanks for your comment Yaru. You are correct that there doesn't seem to be any connection etymologically between Shinar and Sumer; and that it is more likely coming from Hittite or Egyptian words for southern Mesopotamia. I referenced an older scholarly work. That being said, the area of Babylon (which was an Akkadian city) was at times under Sumerian dominion, so although incorrect in etymology, the reference to the area of Sumer was not. Thank you again for bringing this to my attention.
@@JoeBack shalom alečhem
@@EasternOrthodox101 awr kesdem is nothing like kassites dummy. Hell your babel tower is post Babylon and so is your flood of Noah and Daniel statue lies all it is post Babylon and pure Godless lies.
Listen, kingdom of Urartu, which is ararat which is armenia and assyria. Abraham was armenian/Assyrians and so was his wife, and isaiac's wife and Jacob's wife.
Look at the boat's at 6:14 minute mark
Tradução em português ?👆🇧🇷
Eu gostaria no futuro.
Great explanation of why Woolley was way off, and Sanliurfa is by far the most likely birthplace of Abraham. However, you may want to reconsider Abraham's birth order. In the Patriarchal lineage, the designation of the firstborn is so important, not only because the firstborn must take responsibility for the family but also because he must carry the priesthood of God for the father's descendants. But in the Old Testament, the son designated as "Firstborn" is very often NOT actually the son who is born first. Going backwards, this was true in every case after Terah: Note Ephraim, Joseph, Jacob, Isaac, and even Abraham were all designated Firstborns who were not born first. Terah began having children at the age of 70, and lists Abraham first, but Abraham was clearly younger, by 60 years, than Haran. Abraham was actually born when Terah was 130. This confusion is why the O.T. timelines are often about 60 years off after Abraham.
Also in the 1970's a huge library of clay records was discovered at the ancient ruins of Ebla in Northern Syria, not too far south of Turkey. Many of these cuneifrom records were written in Nahor and Abraham's day. One of the tablets discussing trade referred to a city called Ur of Haran. This is obviously Sanliurfa. Just Google "Ur of Haran". and "Ebla" and you'll find the references to it.
Hello Orpheus and Eurydice who got into the bible.
Ur of the Chaldees" where is that situated? "Ur" is the Hebrew word for light. "Chaldees is derived from Chesed, who is mentioned in order to derive from him the origin of the Chaldees" (Gesenius Heb. Lex., p. 490). This is a way the ancients had of making nations. All they had to do was but to speak the word, and, presto, a nation would come up quick as thought (this goes back to the son/sun of Neith of Sais Egypt). Chesed was, it is said, the son of Nahor (Winter aka Sagittarius - Pisces). Chesed is literally, one who cuts = a divider. In this sense, it may have reference to the spring equinox, which divides winter from summer. Thus, we arrive at what may be deemed the true meaning of "Ur of the Chaldees." "It is a city of upper Mesopotamia," i.e., it is a city of the division of light, and is located at the spring equinox, exactly where "God divided (Hebrew bara) between the light and between the darkness" (Gen. 1:1). It is the East, the Orient, the Urim et Thumim, or the true light- the light par excellence, i.e., the equinoctial Sun of spring. Here, then, at "Ur of the Chaldees," at the spring equinox, or at the beginning of the year, Abram (the summer Sun), with his relations, sat out upon his annual round.
"Ur of the Chaldees was called Urphi and Orphi." Orpheus, by which name we are to understand Cadmus and the Cadmeans," i.e., the East.
The English translators lied when they used the word “create” or “creation.” The correct translation of the Hebrew word “bara,” is to divided, to separate, to cut apart, or the renew. Renewal of plant growth takes place during spring and this is also the season of the Holy Spirit (wind). The cold winter winds (black raven) is reformed and becomes the warm winds (white dove). This is where the dove of Juno (Air) finds the olive branch (peace).
Raven, a non migratory bird is a dirty birdie. Doves, migratory bird, is a clean birdie.
Don't forget that Zipporah (wife of Moses) is a singing birdie and she is clean as a whistle. Yes, she is also the Virgin in the skies.
Good Lord, how complicated. Trying to identify the origins of the people that became known as the Israelites is not easy for me, even with documentaries such as this one.
Abraham is a descendant of the chaldees the chaldees were originally Negros that shared the land with Ethiopians in Mesopotamia, the middle east is a geographical term that can be change by the government anytime it's not a race or a continent but it's on the continent on Africa and Egypt and Israel and Iraq and Iran and Mesopotamian and Saudi Arabia
@@BillRussell-pw2vh Thank you for your reply. However, it makes no sense to me. If Abraham was a descendent of negros and is regarded in the Bible as the father of the Israelites, then one has to conclude the original people of Ancient Israel were black. However, according to scholars of theology and history and anthropology, the Jews were not a black race, and they certainly are not today.
The Palestinians today are not black, and Abraham is their father too through the seed of his son Ishmael.
What a complicated web of ancestry. No wonder these two peoples, Arabs and Jews are at war with each other all the time. The Bible speaks of two sons born to Abraham Isacc and Ismael. Isacc produces the line of the Jews, and Ishmael the line of the Arabic people. Neither of these two groups are black.
Ur means "Land"
Before and after the great rain. Due to our ancestors pompous destruction.
Ur is in Iraq, it’s where the garden of Eden was at, the city of al-Amarah
The only cross they have of david is from pitagoras the greek
Sumerian read WOOLY FOUND THIS.
In a nutshell, URFA in Turkey was UR ?
Haran was a priest in the city of Ur
Terah was a general and living in babylon alongside Nimrod
Nimrod had a prophecy of the stars moving from him,
and told Terah it was Abram who would dethrone him;
Terah then tricked Nimrod and for 10 years Abram lived in a cave
When Abrams mother died Terah took the boy to Arrata to be with Noah.
Abram then lived with Noah and Shem in the mountains of Arrata until Noah died when Abram was 39
Abram returned to Ur and lived there for 30 years and Shem became a king in the South West still being alive and strong
age 70 Abram was brought before Nimrod for having destroyed his fathers idols
Haran (the eldest of the three brothers) died in front of Terah
Terah, Abram, Lot his wife Ado and Norah all move/are banished(?) to Harran
at age 75 Abram buries his father in the land of Harran (S. Turkey)
Norah chooses to stay behind (his descendants are the wives of Jacob)
Abram, Lot and his wife, along with Sarai go from Harran
Haran was not the younger of Abram
Haran is the eldest of the brothers
The story is far beyond being literal
listen:
The eldest brother is a priest in a land of pagans
Abram lives and worships beside them for 30 years
then the lord moves Abrams heart
Haran, the eldest brother, when pressed with going against his own brother and the Lords power he had JUST seen
Stands in the face of adversity 'wanting' the power that had saved Abram from the fire; but he has devoted his life
to sinful practices knowingly going against the Lord working alongside Serug, his great grandfather, in necromancy.
Those who wish for the salvation of the Lord must know him,
or risk becoming a whisper like Haran upon our death
ERROR.:
Nimrod lived at about 3000vC. and Abraham at 2000vC:
@@siegfriedlechler7412 I will go along with Jubilees and state that Noe died in 1651 after Creation and Abram was born in 1876 after Creation. And 500 years later, in 2330, the birth of Moses (and we know there's only 5 generations from Exodus to David [1100 bC]) . Therefore, Abraham was around 1800 bC. (+/- 200 years)
@@okutaviof My Bible based calculation of Abraham's birth gave the year 2005BC.+- 50 J.
geschichte-bronzezeit.blogspot.com/2023/04/the-people-of-israel-in-egypt-under.html
@@siegfriedlechler7412 As I was saying, I will go along the Book of Jubilees:
Terah took to himself a wife, and her name was 'Edna, the daughter of 'Abram, the daughter of his father's sister. And in the seventh year of this week [1876 A.M.] she bare him a son, and he called his name Abram, by the name of the father of his mother.
As for backward estimation, Idn sincererly what to think.
@@siegfriedlechler7412 I will check it carefully. Thank you.
Sons of Noah: Shem, Ham, Japhet
Son of Ham: Cush
Son of Cush: Nimrod who thus is 3rd generation counting Ham as 1.
Shem = 1, Abraham is 10 from that count.
Shem was born 1558 from Adam
Abraham born 2008 from Adam, counting from 3rd gen of Shem, Shelah, 1693 to 2008 perspective since we don't know Ham's line! This means that Nimrod would have to be more than 300 years old, with some give and take.
The likelihood that Abraham knew Nimrod is slim. However, it could be possible perhaps, but nothing in Scripture indicates this.
Shem, Ham and Japheth are Noah's sons. They all descend from Adam, Eve and their son Seth. Abraham descends from Shem. Terah is the father of Abraham. The Jews descend from Shem, Abraham, Issac, and Jacob called Israel. The Arabs descend from both Shem, Abraham, Ishmael and Ham. The Turks and the Europeans descend from Japheth The Blacks descend from Ham and Cush. And the Indians, and Chinese descend from Shem.
@@thespaceram2879 But there were a lot mixing and intermarriages. I get that Ham went south, Japheth went north and Shem went east. Starting point being Ararat. After awhile there was the division(Which explains the Tower Babel story) of the world which scientists believe was due to the rising of the sea level from the melting of the Massive Ice Berg (caused from the flood) which caused people to be separated. The separation of peoples in different climatic areas for a long time would cause the different features in people black,white,Chinese.
@@bindy63 After Babel in Iraq they all settled all over the earth. They were all white at that time and spoke the same middle eastern language before. God=Lord Jesus Christ confused their language at Babel to get them to move to other areas on earth. He developed the other races afterwards. Noah and his children are white middle eastern people from Iraq. They weren't black. The Blacks ancestors were white. The Blacks got dark due to the strong sun exposure in central and south Africa. That area is by the equator and it is the hottest area on earth. Noah's son Shem , the Jews (white) descend from him. The Arabs (white) descend from Shem and Ham. The Turks from Asia Minor (white) and the Europeans (white) descend from Japheth. The Blacks descend from Ham. The Indians and the Chinese which are also Indians descend from Shem. There was one race before and God developed two more after the flood after the rebellion in Babel.
@@thespaceram2879 Don't think original color was white. Scientifically this doesn't make sense. More likely they were mid brown. Just as with Black people who became very dark because of the hot climate, very likely the people who went north became very light because of the cold. The Bible always gives precise clues. The confusion of languages very like caused when the water level rose and forced people to be separated. Just examine Genesis 10:25 carefully; "To Eber were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg, for in his days the earth was divided, and his brother’s name was Joktan". This event more likely was the same as the the Babel incidence. Peleg is a very interesting name. From this name we get "archipelago". What could have caused People to have different languages? The obvious answer is separation. Ask yourselves another question; Where did the male children of Shem, Japheth and Ham get their wives. Very likely their wives were their cousins rather than their siblings. This means these people were initially very mixed. Their separation into different climatic areas caused their features to be adapted to combat the climatic situations. Our God is a Righteous God who doesn't condemn any group of people. Just look at Israel; It wasn't about the lineage or blood. It was about a people who worship the true God. Israel had peoples from different nations; Yeshua descended from Tamar, Ruth and Rahab, all non-Israelite. Moses' wife was an Ethiopian. There was an established process where any stranger could become an Israelite. The nation Israel was supposed to be a beacon to the world.
We do know Hams line and Nimrod is in it
I didn’t see any kind of a conclusion. Nothing that would change my mind that Abraham lived in the ancient city of Ur during the third Sumerian dynasty and likely left because of the upheavals from the collapse of the third Sumerian dynasty.
Abraham is a black man a descendant of the chaldees the chaldees were originally negros from West Africa today as the middle east, the middle east is a geographical term that can be change by the government anytime it's not a race or a continent but it's on the continent on Africa and Egypt and Israel and Iraq and Syria and Saudi Arabia and Mesopotamia.
Are jews ancestors sumerians
Awesome! But the music is excessive...
Thanks, I am going sans music in future videos.
“Or” or “Ur”?
Both. Ur in English, Or in Hebrew.
Spanish empire established that Ophir is a group of islands in the sea in front of Cathy or China, now these group of islands in front of China is known as Philippines.
It is written in genesis that Nu or Noah lands are of the Islands in the east. Even Genesis 11:1-2 recorded that descendants of Nu/Nuah travelled from the east and settled in the land of Shinar which you said is Babylon, therefore Ur. Heber or Eber is a word which means beyond. It simply mean that beyond or Heber which becomes Heberu and becomes Hebrew are group of Islands in south east asia which in the ancient named Nusantara (Noah International).
Even there is an island named Bornu now Borneo which mean land of Nu or Noah.
It appeared that the story of the flood is a myth based on actual disastrous sinking of southeast asian landmass which happened 14,000 years ago as a result of Toba volcanoe eruption. And Abraham is a descendant of Southeast Asian Monarch Nu/Noah from whom the name of the Island Bornu or Borneo is taken.
In Mindanao philippines there is a nation called Uranun which when read backward mean people of Ur. Annun being and ancient DNA name (genetic distance map of Cavalli-sforza). And Philippines in the ancient is referred to as Sarruvassai which when read mean vassal of Ur King.
Abraham comes from Urkesch...Not Ur in Chaldea and not Urfa...
Took some writings and made their history
Mixing everything
I though Jews were lost Egyptians, I read that theory once.
People try to claim that in order to tie the hebrews and muslims to south african descent. It's a modern, politically motivated theory, and would first require substantial proof that the Egyptians were of that demographic in the first place. Which so far has little to no real evidence in favor whereas there is abundant evidence to the contrary.
ur = urland=Ireland
Hmm I heard that ur was in the UK.
Kasidim = Kassites
A Sanskrit speaking tribe who made a habit of becoming the ruling elite of native races which they then transformed into empires such as Hurrians, Mitanni and Babylon.
The capital of Hurrian empire during Abrahams time is Urkesh. Which can easily be taken to mean Ur of the Kassites in Hurrian language. The Kassite aristocrats always use language of the core imperial people they were ruling.
And yes. That means Abraham was a Hurrian
Definitely a possibility
Ur-Chaldeans are from Mesopotamia, not Indians, and they did not speak Sanskrit
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Who said anything about chaldean? The Kassites are neither indians nor chaldeans. Kassites was a major tribe within the true Aryan race. True Aryans are the original speakers of Sanskrit and they were from a section of Sintashta culture and Andronovo culture. The aryan invasion of india was indeed carried out by them but it was preceeded around 1000 years before by a portion of the Kassite tribe who ventured to the Zagros mountains where they settled and waited for the right moment to pounce on Mesopotamia. The city of Nagar in Syria founded ca 2500BCE is the first undisputable evidence of Sanskrit speakers arrival in that region. The word 'nagar' means city in Sanskrit. When their power was finally crushed the Kassites combined with native races to set up many Canaan city states. Meanwhile the Kassites that moved towards india with other aryan tribes decided to set up base in Kashmir. Not only the province was named after them but several places in Kashmir also have many names with the 'nagar' theme including its capital Srinagar.
Similarly in Lorestan the remaining Kassite who did not pounce on Mesopotamia was called Cissia by Herodotus and Kossaei by Strabo & Ptolemy. Today their name survive as Khuzestan province and the Qashqai tribe.
The Caspian Sea also was named after the Kassites
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Like I said. Abraham was a native of Hurrian nation. Therefore he was a Hurrian.... Unless you can decisively prove otherwise
Can I say that the Abraham is basically a Babylonian?? Or Babylonian decent?
It is a possibility with a few caveats: 1.) Biblical Ur was indeed the ancient city of Ur discovered by Wooley in modern Iraq. 2.) Abraham lived in the Middle Bronze age post 1800 BCE during or after the reign of Hammurabi. Any time prior to this he would have been Akkadian or Sumerian. Alternatively, some academics place him in the Late Bronze or even the Iron age because of the use of the term Ur of the Chaldees and seeming lack of domestic camels prior to the Iron Age. 3.) Assume that he would identify himself as such.
Abraham (father of the Israelite) is from Ur/Iraq making him middle eastern and he travel to Harran/Turkey
I become dizzy reading so many opinion here 🤕
I think AbRaham born in India.because he have many parallel similarities with Indian Ram.and Tower of Babel actually Kailash mountain of Himalayas.Some Western people even one Russian scientist believes Mount Kailash is a man Made Piramid as Tower of Babel.
Abraham was from Southern Iraq. Even Eden, Babel and Babylon was there as well. Not India. Oh dear God=Lord Jesus Christ, I wish that that humanrace overall that we weren't so ignorant and stupid.
I am proud of my history I am chealdean chatolic
Lol
The torah is not a book of history or archeology.
It is whole cloth fiction with some historical places and people.
The Chaldeans did not exist 1800bce, the alleged timing for Abe.
They did exist around 600bce, when the torah was written.
Hmmmm.
10 lost tribes was slaves there . They spoke good about them and the children was beautiful
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I was in Urfa about 1970 and the inhabitants, all Muslim, identified it as the birthplace of Abraham, with considerable pride. It is also near(ish) to Mount Ararat, where Noah's arc was said to have made landfall. Het, son of Shem and father of the (proto)Hittites would have been in the right place, to found this race. An interesting region, possibly neglected in biblical scholarship.
Abraham was a black man a descendant of the chaldees that shared the land with Ethiopians in Mesopotamia the chaldees were originally negros in West Africa which is today the middle east, the middle east is a geographical term that can be change by the government anytime it's not a race or a continent but it's on the continent on Africa and Egypt and Israel and Iraq and Syria and Saudi Arabia and Mesopotamia.
You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. You must love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus the anointed is Lord! Repent and be baptized and believe the Gospel.
No thanks.
U are chatting absolute muck grow up u believe a stoner walked across water and turned water to wine no harm but if u think that actually happened u are just as dense as the members of the church themselves
Hitites are indoeuropeans
They took the alphabet and some history from the north
Truth or not Hebrews 3:12 warns us to beware of Apostasy, so I would follow Gods Word first. Also Abraham first appears in the Bible in Genesis 11:27 as someone with age. So say Abraham was just 10, you/your family can travel a very long distance in 10 years. They could have travelled to and from the land of Ur several times, or he was born there. Reading More about Abraham he gets mad dealing with false idles in his fathers store and breaks them. He does this as a "Young Man". Did Abraham and Nimrod fight? Was Abraham jailed? Well if so God didnt find it important enough to put it in the 'Word'. Ones perspective thousands of years ago from a writing on stone may have been their idea of truth or even hear-say. Today and yester years satan is the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4) and has had many years to distort the truth(s) for his gain. Today the only way to the father is through Christ our Savior. May the Holy Spirit teach us all truths. Thanks Joe for your video on the "potential location of Ur of the Chaldees"
As a Jew I respectfully disagree that the only way to God is through Jesus, but I appreciate you taking the time to view the video.
@@JoeBack 😂😂 of course you’re gonna say that lol
Question? As a Jew are you still waiting for the Messiah?
You do realize there is much more to scripture than what we have now, the story of Abraham takes place during genesis. Around the first century The books of Enoch were considered Cannon and referenced in the New Testament multiple times, and also by the theologians such as Irenaeus and Origen. Over 20 copies were found alongside the dead sea scrolls as well. The book of Enoch also takes place during Genesis before the flood, who's to say there aren't other books lost over time?
@@user-ub4pq9ci2r Hi, I think that the book of Enoch was good so we can understand the context of that time, but it was considered not to be inspired by God by later writers. I also have been shown that there are some books of Enoch that dont agree with each other. For me I think God sent his only son Christ Jesus and the Jews rejected him as the King of the Jews and so we have the Holy Bible as our road map to everlasting life...Peace
@@2Timothy3END To call it not inspired is a stretch, when the New testament refers to it countless times. Jude quotes it directly "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints," Peter in his letters also mention of the angels locked up in Tartarus, Jesus also references Enoch rebuking Pharisees. Also references to the New Jerusalem and resurrection before Revelations as well as messianic prophecies regarding the son of man.
let not devil satan to use you to twist the scprictures . it didn`t come with opinion but with truth abraham was called by living GOD and GOD ALMIGHTY REVEAL HIMSELF at that time abraham was staying in the land called ur of chadean located in mesopotamia
The City of Urfa referred in this video DID reside in both ancient Chaldea and Mesopotamia. The Chaldea region did not reach down into Southern Iraq until long, long after Abraham lived. And ancient documents from Abraham's day, recently discovered at the Ebla, in Northern Syria, refer to a nearby city named Ur of Haran. That's clearly a reference to Urfa in this video, which is only a days journey from Haran. Also the Bible says that they had to cross the Euphrates River to get there from the land of Canaan. The city you favor in Southern Iraq is on the same side of the river as Israel, no one would have had to cross the river. If you believe the Bible to be correct, then you can't possibly believe that Abraham was born in southern Iraq on the wrong side of the river. Unless you believe Satan.
Sumerian,polonian leh rus, r1a hoplagroup turkic
Ur is present day Baghdad Iraq
But it wasn't called that when Abraham was born. It was named that after the Babylonian exodus, much much later. While documents from the time of Abraham discovered in ancient Ebla recently refer to Ur of Haran, which is in Southwest Turkey, and very likely referring to Sanli Urfa as this video indicates.
Maybe the scripture was wrong? Thousands of years of writing, rewriting, and lost knowledge to time. The truth is simple, the father of faith was born in UR back when it was the capital of the Sumarian city-states "Uruk was no longer capital".
The Kran is not concluded to be holy or worthy of the title "scripture".
@actsismmljcorrectlyobeyed6190 historical fallacies that create the grandiose image of a Hebrew people that is "worthy" of being called civilized have been proven by Western and Eastern historians, anthropologists, and humanities scientists long ago.
@@husseinalmashhadany I absolutely agree with that good point.
"ank-shent" isnt a word, home slice.
this is obviously a landing pad...
...or a launch pad ;-)
There were jews and people from israel
Not them
They didnt cross the ocean
Read The Holy bible For Correct History !
Sem is cush
Abraham was father of monotheis religion
Abraham was a black Hebrew a descendant of the chaldees that were originally Negros from north west Africa which is the middle east.
Ur is a place because 10 Lost Tribes speaks of it.
Lost tribe? Define that? Lost implies once found, these people were found? Where when? You need sources or your just a babbling bamboon
Can’t hear over the music.
Can you redo without
music background?
Abraham was 100% Syrian
That land (Orfa, Haran, Gobiklytepe) is a Syrian land historically .. it is now under Turkish occupation
Semites is the torah name of the Syrian Nation.
Gobekli tepe doesnt exist in that world way way way way way not so. And it's in Turkey Anatolia. You are Wrong there.
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Prophet Abraham was born in modern day south iraq
Definitely a possibility.
Surly not
Abraham was born in North of Syria
North not south....Leonard Wooley was excavating Ur of Sumer and seeing it was a large city just said it was the Ur of Abraham. He had no evidence for this...just it was large. Other scholars jumped on this with.. also no evidence. If Abraham was traveling to Canaan then he would not pass through Harran...so Ur of the sumerians is not Abraham's birth place. It's wrong....Abraham was born elsewhere
Abraham was a Sumerian. He clearly was rebelling against his homeleand when he left and created his own religion and cult which turned into what you know now. But hes not aJEW...hes a Sumerian/Akkadian. He must of had an epiphany and hated the fact that there was many Gods and wanted 1 GOD in the likeness of himself. Instead of in the likeness of the Sumerian and Akkadian kings. Also it makes a lot of sense that a lot of his STORIES in Genesis and Exodus and basically Sumerian stories and It just so happens that entire REGION near UR.....is completely FLOODED with rivers and water canals...it looks like a giant flooded area. Also Gilgamesh (the big story of Abraham's homelans) was a homosexual. Possibly bi sexual. So Abraham is EVEN rebelling against androgony, homosexuality. Sumerians God's were equal adn more feminine. Abraham's GOD masculine. Its clear hes rebelling against where he comes from, changing it to suit his own journey. If you get rid of all teh mythological garbage. He wanted to make his own dynasty, be his own KING in the likeness of himself.
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Ireland is Ur of the Chaldees/Babylon/Mesopotamia. The British Isles are the Isles of Chaldaea. Check out the work of Kurimeo Ahau and Anna Wilkes.
Abraham should have just kept going with his caravan out of Ur and left those fools wrestling with each other in the mud and dust. 2000 years of this magic sky pixie bullshit. 2000 years of pain and death and despair, all under the guise of worshiping a supposed god of love. smh
BC not BCE. Don’t be a woke atheist.
My latest video is in response to your comment.
Ab Rome = father of Rome . With is two sons.
Bro let me break it down for you, it's very simple. Abraham is the father of Israel, which includes the Jews (tribe of Judah). The Chaldeans come from Arphaxad, which is also a white stock of people. The Hebrew form of Arphaxad is Arfachesed. The Hebrew form of Chaldean is Chasdim or Chesed. Arfachesed is the father of the Chaldeans, and his name means Arfa the Chaldean, who founded Ur of the Chaldeans. His name therefore, Arfa or Ur, is the ae thing and he founded that city. You got it all wrong. It's in your Bible. What happened to the Chaldeans? They migrated to Europe, no-one is left in the middle east. Northern Italy is Chaldean, the elite. Northern Spain and Southern France too. Romania is also Chaldean. ;)
Wrong Chaldea is Iraq, Iraq is the Middle East not Europe.
Iraq and they weren't white nor Europeans.
Following Jubilees:
"And for Arpachshad came forth the third portion, all the land of the region of the Chaldees to the east of the Euphrates, bordering on the Red Sea, and all the waters of the desert close to the tongue of the sea which looks towards Egypt, all the land of Lebanon and Sanir and 'Amana to the border of the Euphrates."
'Ûr, son of Kesed (son of Kainan, son of Arphaxad) founded the city of 'Ara of the Chaldees.
'Ûr was father of 'Ôrâ, wife of Reu (Reu was great-great-great-son of Arphaxad). Reu lived Babel events. And his son, Segug (grandson of Ur), grew up, and dwelt in Ur of the Chaldees.
@@LM-qv7cy wrong, iraq is a mixture with arab. u have no clue what ur saying
@@chayil7489 iraqis are half arabs u have no clue what ur saying. how is an arab a chaldean? go read some books
So nobody knows lol
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Chaldean we’re in Mesopotamia way before 11 century bce this is in the bu me and in world history but they prob did not get documented in history until11 century. In the bible the Chaldeans were in Mesopotamia since 2,000-2,500 bce
Anciently both Chaldea and Mesopotamia cover both the sites of Sanli Urfa and the Ur in Southern Iraq. But the name Chaldea didn't reach down into Iraq until long after Abraham's death.
Ur of the Chaldees is a village on the Yamuna River In India, just downstream from the Taj Mahal. The Chaldees were a tribe. Abram and Sarah are Brahma and Sarasvati. The migrating 'a' has religious significance. They sailed from the west coast of India and landed in Mesopotamia. The term is "land beyond the waters", not "beyond the rivers", and refers to the Indian Ocean, not Tigris or Euphrates rivers. There were major migrations out of India to the west and to the middle east. The Jews themselves migrated from India as the Yadu clan, hence Yid, Yuden, and settled in present day Palestine. Jerusalem is known as Yeru-shalayim in Hebrew, which is Yadu-ishalayam in Sanskrit. Melchizedek was in fact Lord Krishna from India, who was also of the Yadu clan. One of the names of Krishna is Sadhaka. The term of address for a king is Malika, hence Malika-Sadhaka, or Melchi-Zedek, is Lord Krishna. The word Christ is derived from Krishna...Christ > Kristo > Krishta > Krishna.
Abraham is Ram Sara is Sita,Lot is Lakshman.
abraham is not brahma.
Abraham story parallelly is match with Ram.
Abraham is orignally AbRam(Father Ram) ab/father Ram/high/mercy/exelted.Check Dr Bharat jhunjhunwala youtube channel.
Chaldees actually KaulDevas/Kaldees(Holy Kouls/Cast)
@@hoslabara2703 Shut up. Dont mix abrahamic religions with hinduism!
@@hoslabara2703 OK. Abram is Ram. That's fine. I doubt it's possible to be definitive about this. But the basic point is that everything originated in India. Ur of the Chaldeans is evidently a region of present day Afghanistan.
@@EasternOrthodox101 It's Ur of the Cushites I think. Current scholarship puts that in a region of modern day Afghanistan. The world's history did not suddenly spring out of the deserts of the middle east, or the fertile crescent, as we've been led to believe. It all came from India as I said. There is plenty of evidence to support this if you research it. Anacylapsis is an old book on the subject, also India in Greece by Pococke, more current research by mainly Indian historians, and various youtubes.The evidence is overwhelming once you dig into it. I've no idea why modern mainstream historians are so ignorant and reluctant to admit this. Maybe it's simply Eurocentrism, or ignorance of Sanskrit. I don't know. Nineteenth century European scholars did recognise the clear parallels between Indian culture and our own. If you are Russian, then Russia is land of the Rishis.
Dude stop. Hinduism has nothing to do with abrahamic religions. Stop mixing your fairytale with abrahamic faiths!
Saxons = Issacs sons.
They could be from Ireland (Ur + land) or (Er + land) the Celts..….fun fact did you know the Camel is indigenous to America.....I wonder who took them to Africa or Egypt....
Camels home land is land of Gods. Puntites. Africa.
Lol fun fact did you google your statement about camels ? Don’t believe everything you read on the internet people 😂
The real Jewish homeland 😂
The real holy place is Iraq not isreal
The Talmud is a useless source
There was no "Abraham" in Ur. Follow the archaeology and the facts, not that old book of fairy tales and magic.