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- BBC - Scotland's War at Sea (2015)
Part 1: The Dreadnoughts of Scapa Flow
As the Great War began, the Royal Navy rushed to Orkney's great natural harbour, Scapa Flow.
David Hayman uncovers the compelling characters of the little-known naval war - the cautious Admiral Jellicoe and the playboy Admiral Beatty.
The story of great technologies and epic battles for control of the North Sea.
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Scapa Flow, Dread Nought, Jellico, Scheer, Galatea, Hippa, etc....what magnificent names for an epic time. My imagination can't do this battle and the men involved on both sides justice. They are giants in history. May their souls soar forever across time and not be forgotten.
Being of Scottish descent, and having a keen interest of naval history/ships, this historical documentary has a special place in my heart.
Well put,,and good to see some one esle who has an intrest in naval tactics and the ships them sleves,,,,D
Excellent presentation! I tip my hat to host David Hayman for a fine job. Thanks for posting.
Just finished reading "The Spy Who Sat and Waited," which revolved around Scapa Flow's events during WWII. Good to see an historical context as background. Thank you.
Mistake at 50:53. It was Jellicoe not Beatty who assembled his ships into a single arced line.
Spruance gambled at midway and decided the pacific war in a 5 minute period though thousands still had to die over the next 3 years
Once again Hayman gives us an extremely interesting documentary.
The Brit's own the television medium . Drama , comedy ànd documentaries . Very rewarding viewing experience . Again .
Great documentary on a comparatively little known, but vitally-important, dimension of the conflict.
A superb film, visually powerful and simply yet eloquently presented.
If you're going to leave your magazine doors and hatches open, you're going to lose ships. It goes against the grain of the Royal Navy to turn from a fight.
Odd how they don't mention that isn't it.
No mention of Beatty’s four Queen Elizabeth-class battleships holding off the whole German fleet at one point.
probably because he wasn't involved with Adm Evan-Thomas' 5th Battle Squadron. he was busy high tailing it out of there with his cruiser screen when the 5th (uninformed by Beatty) steamed straight into the Germans.
Or the fact that Beatty nearly buggered the whole battle up by never telling Jellicoe where the High Seas Fleet was; 50:50 shout Jellicoe got it right, and they got lucky.
Excellent depiction of the tactics used by the 2 fleets. The animation of the ship formations gave a much clearer picture of the battle....
Had beatty been in command of the entire fleet, he'd have lost most of the Battleships, like he lost 1/2 his Battle Cruisers.
the revelation about the public reaction after Jutland was astonishing, taunting them and throwing pieces of coal down on the ships below...I knew a bit about Jutland and other Ww1 sea battles, but I did not know that..
Oh yes, the Germans came home heroes and the British came home shamed and with questions about the fleet that needed to be answered by the Royal Navy. The British had every advantage including the German codes and they got pounded. There was mistake after mistake after mistake made by the British. When one is in a superior position one is expected to win.
My children went to Lakeland High School, here in Lakeland Fl. This school's football team is named the Lakeland Dreadnoughts, and their mascot is a copy of a British Dreadnought Light Cruiser. The school motto is Latin for "second to none" This school is the only school in FL and the nation to be named after a British war ship.
You can be a Dreadnought or a Light Cruiser not both, they are very different ships.
Second to None is the motto of the Coldstream Guards, one of the famed units of the Guards Division
Just noticed for the first time ever, that Queen Victory bears a striking resemblance to Albert the Magic Pudding. Albert later married another woman who was his dead-ringer, Condalisa Rice, who then became Mrs. Condalisa Rice-Pudding. Delicious.
The information on Scapa Flow is even more interesting when you consider that early in World War II, the German submarine U-47 was able to penetrate a small weakness in the anchorage defenses, and torpedo and sink the battleship HMS Royal Oak.
The defences were not the same at the time. There were huge gaps. There's some good articles online. Royal oak may as well have been moored at the end of Blackpool pier.
As usual brilliant background music matching superb documentary.
Very interesting! Thanks for posting.
Excellent movie! Thank you!!!
Those losses and few survivors, unimaginable.
Jellicoe crossed Scheer's T: The supreme moment of strategic naval warfare.
+Acosori MaxConto You are right about that. And not only did Jellicoe perfectly cross Scheer's T, but then later Scheer turned around and headed back towards the Grand Fleet, thus basically giving Jellicoe another crossing of his T, this time without any thinking or effort on Jellicoe's part. Scheer would have made an excellent, aggressive squadron commander, but as a fleet admiral he truly deserved to have his whole fleet sunk. Only the torpedo attack saved his fleet. I think Jellicoe's performance was the best of all the high-level commanders at Jutland, relative to his mission.
the supreme moment of classic warfare under sails (where you could not simply turn ). After all, it achieved nothing with Scheer's fleet simultaneous turning 180° and moving away from the T. Did anyone get sunk/incapacitated ? No. Its like getting a penalty kick and then missing the goal.
with no result, lol
barfuss2007 Well Scheer soon fled. So there's that....
@@WashuHakubi4 Yet they got a jolly good thrashing hey what
What a cast of admirals: "Warren" Beatty, "Jellyroll" Jellicoe, "Nylon" Scheer and "Hip Hip" Hipper.
excellent. thank you!
David Hayman as Usual Did Great Job on This Presentation
Great video!
Excellent documentary! I'm predominantly a WW2 researcher...but now dabbling into the "Great War" and prior. Interesting to say the least. Thanks so much for this insight to the British and German Navies.
Ted Hernandez ww1 is brutal, industrial killing.
Tony Romano...Only WW1?
Iranny Bobby....You still here?? Wow!!!! I thought your lab life expired already. Damn I'm impressed.....Hang in there dude. I know someone is looking for a cure. I'm rootin' for ya!!! Hey, and easy on those big words ok? Don't want you to burn out and forget how to play with your wittle toys. We care Bobby...We really do. Have a nice day there!!
per aspera ad astra....That stuff 'bout the mustard gas? I watched a video a while back about a German fellow who was responsible for producing such. And subsequently applied it to the battlefield during ww1. And I think he expanded to develope Zyklon B? Could be mistaken. Also his wife left him due to his work and the consequences of such during the beginning of ww2. The "Bad" Boys (Planners of the final solution) were very interested in his work.
@per aspera ad astra ¿ Thanks for the insight. far from being a chemist. Although an avid book reader on other subjects........ mechanical.
The interest to the wars and the tools designed for such are my forte'. especially aircraft. Former glider fellow here. Actually thinking of resuming that sport. One gets a feeling about how fighters behave under aerobatics. And it is fun. As the saying goes..... releasing oneself from the surly bonds of earth. It was refreshing commenting with you. Have a nice day.
The book that changed my perception of Jutland, and the best book on how Beatty and Jellicoe compared is "The Rules of the Game", by Andrew Gordon, I highly recommend it.
+Pat McGrattan Thanks.
That's a good one. "Castles of Steel" by Massie also awesome. And this documentary is terrific IMHO.
Jim, I suspect you may already know this, but 'Castles of Steel' was Massie's follow-up to 'Dreadnought', which is a very fine volume in its own right. A solid history of the Anglo-German naval arms race and the pre-war Royal Navy.
Rules of the Game is a great deeper dive after Castles of Steel. Seeing Andrew Gordon in this documentary made me read Rules in his voice, which actually made it an easier read! He's an engaging author, but by definition, the material is quite dense.
Magnificent production. I loathe Beatty. Miserable, typical rotten scoundrel lifer who's only goal was to bring as much glory to self as he could. Insufferable lout. Shame he didn't go missing at sea on dark night.
Social Class bias & privileges in the British Navy at that time probably shows itself by placing titled Lords & wealth into the higher echelons of command. Was Admiral Beatty that good as a superior naval officer to be placed in Fleet Command going by his previous naval battles ?
@@scottyfox6376 he wasn't entitled from birth. In fact his Irish ancestry probably counted against him. I'm no fan of his or Seymour. But. None UK 'armchair historians' do seem to obsess about this idea of how things are and or were in this country. It gives such people a coloured view.
I had read, "Jutland: The Unfinished Battle" by Nicholas Jellicoe (Grandson of Admiral Jellicoe) and this presentation of the Battle of Jutland helped me to visualize the battle better than the e-book. The book made the point that Jellicoe was concerned about taking heavy losses from German Submarines. Overall a real first class presentation. Thank you for posting this wonderful BBC presentation.
Stood on the Missouri once. Have to admit that the Texas looks amazing!
Well that at least makes you more authoritative than most of the opinionated cunts commenting here who once sat in a deck chair by the sea.
:-)
Really top-notch program. Wish there were more like this. Thank you.
Battle of Jutland proved to the Germans that they must always use the assymetrical threat in future engangements......so they carried on not trying to antagonise in numbers but in quality of few and lots and lots of pirate tactics....it worked really well with the Uboats and the commercial raiders .....now.....as far as RN is concerned it,s finest hour was Trafalgar
The only thing that worked well for Germany, at sea, was it's submarines, but this advantage only ever lasted so long before they were combated. Again, in the second world war, the German Navy spent most of it's time anchored in it's home waters and incapable of taking the battle to the Royal Navy, much the same as it was during the first world war. The Royal Navy's finest hours continued through to the !st and 2nd World Wars by keeping down the German navy and making it an ineffectual fighting force.
What a really good film! The graphics were excellent bringing harbours and battles to life; and brilliant narration by David Hayman with a balanced script. Beatty should perhaps have been dismissed after the Dogger Bank fiasco; but signalling at sea in WW1 was very difficult. As was said in the film the result of the battle of Jutland was largely insignificant to the War's outcome unless the battle had resulted in much greater losses for the British. Jellicoe was correctly cautious at Jutland. Had the British won a stunning victory, the Germans may possibly have capitulated a little earlier?. It certainly would have seriously dented the Kaiser's and German moral, but that's mere conjecture I accept.
+John Haworth Balanced, maybe, but brilliant? Hayman is simply an aging Glaswegian actor (with a voice to match), not an historian.
+Elr James All entitled to opinion. I am aware he is a actor and simply narrating the story, but I believe he has a great story telling voice. An excellent choice for a film by the Sottish BBC, his age to me has nothing to do with it. Glasgow incidently, is of course the birthplace of many of the British dreadnoughts and fleet, a part of David's heritage. Regards
John Haworth Of course you're right, and I'm not saying I actually dislike him, but he doesn't strike me as in any way 'brilliant'.
Balanced ? not very much. Nevemind "we had bad signals, that's why we lost".... makes you wonder how the Germans Fleet coordinated (which they did supremely well). Oh wait, the same way,,, flag signals, morse code via signal lamp and telegraphed wireless...
John Haworth
what an interesting and well made documentary this is.. I'm pretty good on WW1 and the RN's participation.. so learning about how the fleet at Scapa was managed and defended is a real treat.. with (to me at least) interesting and new information about a subject that has been heavily covered.
Hello. 'Martini.'I've seen some particularly fine books in the last few years about topics which one would've thought were totally exhausted. Scapa Flow, The Battle of Midway, Guadalcanal and the Solomon campaigns, amongst many others, are included in those categories. Be well, friend.
That is some cold water.
Getting physically blown up or killed would be a godsend compared to finding yourself alive in that water.
If your ship sunk you wouldn't survive long.
That thought will be my hell, and weighed heavily in my choosing the Infantry over the Navy.
So true
I downloaded this Thank you
Fascinating documentary. I've lived in Texas my entire life and had no idea the USS Texas was a British dreadnought design. I knew that it looked different from other US battleships but never knew why. I am honored that the last dreadnought on earth resides in Texas.
It’s not a British design.
It's also the only remaining warship that participated in both WWI and WWII. Unfortunately, while the upper portions look good in this documentary, the hull is leaking badly. You might want to become a supporter.
packr72
If you listened to to video you'll find it IS a British designed ship, pull your head out of your ass so you can hear what's being said....
8:44 The USS TEXAS is less than an hour's drive from my house. I have visited her many times from when I was a small child living in Texas City to my present day, 60 years later. If you ever visit Houston, TX, you must put the USS TEXAS on your list of must see places.
Read a North Sea Diary By Commander Stephen King-Hall. He arrived at Scapa Flow August 1914 on HMS Southhampton, a light cruiser. He was on the ship during the Battle of Jutland, where he lost friends and shipmates on other ships. An excellent read about Scapa Flow, The Battle Fleet , and daily life at sea.
Also read “Strange Intelligence - Memoirs of Naval Secret Service” published in 1931 covering British WW1 signals intelligence.
Hi from Japan. Just finished reading "The Spy Who Sat and Waited," which revolved around Scapa Flow's events during WWII. Good to see an historical context as background. Thank you.
Very good video.
The USS Texas is within 5 miles of my home. It is moored at the San Jacinto Monument grounds which is where Texas won it's independence.
Texan Indépendance? Last I checked you were a state of the US? Independence from the Mexicans???
@@keithwatson1384 from the British
@@indyrock8148 Texas was never British I don't think! I think it was Spanish!
@@keithwatson1384 😉
Brilliant narration by David hayman
this is awesome 😍
Brave Men On Both Sides
Thank You Britain For Your Stellar Stand
Go Navy
You're thanking Britain for WW1? Wha?
Thanks Joe.
@@Birdy890 Who would you thank for winning WW1? Not the Americans! Not the Russians! Certainly not the French! Who else played a greater role than the British?
@@keithwatson1384 Why should I thank them? What a dumb premise and question.
BirdyLegs you were implying that people shouldn't thank Britain for ww1, you don't have to thank them at all, but you should recognise that they were the main party responsible for winning the war. From my perspective can you were saying we shouldn't thank Britain at all! I'm not telling you who to thank at all. I was simply pointing out that if your gonna thank anyone it would be the Brits!
Top notch program.
Beatty was as reluctant to risk dreadnoughts as Jellicoe once he took supreme command. Destroying the High Seas Fleet would not have changed the land campaigns one iota. Beatty for all his bravado, faux or otherwise, would not risk the British Empire either.
Great comment, 'Rudder'. Much of the criticism of Admiral Jellicoe is because he did precisely what he said he'd do in combat situations. On the other side of the fence, had the Germans not challenged British primacy by building their fleet, they could have raised and equipped a number of new Army corps. A few more corps available to von Kluck and to von Below in September 1914 may well have turned the entire war for the Germans.
Good point made there. The biggest factor in the funding allocated to the High Seas Fleet though, was that it was historical by 1914, so those funds which might have enlarged the Army were never going to be available anyway.
The decision had been taken in the late 19th Century when the nation's imperial ambitions were underpinned by building of the Brandenburg class battleships during the 1890s - a statement of intent to join the first rank of naval powers. As all naval powers know to their cost, continued investment is an essential element in achieving and maintaining this status. Tirpitz knew that the effort would have to be vast to avoid becoming pure folly (and that's a separate debate of course) when the concept of the 'Risk Fleet' was formulated and adopted with the Naval Laws.
So, from the moment the Imperial German Navy committed to the laying down of the successive classes of 9.4" & 11" battleships at the turn of the century the size of its army was effectively capped and the die was cast. The vast effort of building the late Victorian RN was instrumental in this., and the Dreadnought revolution of 1906 only made the possibility more tangible and the commitment more necessary from Germany's perspective. I'm sure the aristocratic Generals must have hated it.
Didn't work so well in the long run.... ;-)
Here's how I see it, Andrew: The 40-or-50 thousand men, and the expense of fitting them out, could have created two or maybe even three corps of infantry. In the hands of Von Molke and Von Kluck those corps would've allowed them to stick to the war plan and turn to the west of Paris and not the east. No 'Miracle on the Marne'.
Nice comment.
@Rudder Steering Agreed. The Royal Navy in 1916 had command of the seas and a stranglehold on Germany's supply lines that was causing hardships for the Germans. They were already in a great position. As long as Jellicoe didn't take unnecessary risks and squander that position, Britain would come out ahead in the long run.
Beatty-Damned with faint praise. Good thing the German fleet stayed in port after that!
what magnificent ships!!
thanks to those who worked on
The program I really liked the video
For one wishing for a more detailed account of the Royal Navy in WW1, I highly recommend Robert Massey's "Castles Of Steel".
Funny, I joined the USN in 1967 and spent time "moping" the deck.
+Stephen Odell That's why we call you "swabbies". Thanks for your service.
So did I in 61'
We're they still wodden then? Curious
Simple fantastic!
In my estimation the German Navy beat the Heil out of the Jellico's. The score is all that counts in the game. The Germans did not come back out to play because they were out numbered and figured next time the Brit's may have a real fleet commander...maybe one of the Australian or Canadian Admirals .
It wasn't a game. And "winning" is far more complicated than that.
So I guess you would say that Lee won the Battle of Gettysburg because the Union army had more casualties? Even though the southern army retreated to its base in Virginia and never again ventured north?
You asked if I’m going? I will definitely see you there. I’m organizing it and will be speaking on one of the days. Nick
I love the histori ,and the Host...
Great narrator!
That British Fleet.was so beautiful! worldofwarships programmer nerds will never do it justice
and nowadays this ugly carrier...
check out Ultimate Admiral Dreadnaughts
thanks
brilliant to see in person...fucking loved Orkney man!
Is it possible to find out the name of the music used in this very good documentary
Same question here! Just brilliant soundtrack!
When speaking about Jellicoe & Beatty, they mentioned that Jellicoe was liable to turn up unannounced anywhere in the Iron Duke to see what his men were about. They might have added that Beatty's movements through the Lion were always preceded by a file of marines. I dig Jellicoe, he's a hard man - In 1900, during the march to Peking in the Boxer rebellion, he was shot in the heart!
"Jellicoe was liable to turn up unannounced anywhere in the Iron Duke to see what his men were about." Wouldn't that be rather stepping on the toes of the Captain and the Commander of the Iron Duke?
Jellicoe,...his son was a legend as well.
There is something wrong with our ships" - Beatty
The thing that was wrong with the British ships was Beatty himself".
Nothing much wrong with the ships, only the way they were handled and run, for which, yes, Beatty was ultimately responsible.
True, Beatty was not the most prudent of commanders, but there was something wrong with his ships. Despite Jackie Fisher's genius the entire Battlecruiser concept was flawed. They showed their true ability at the Battle of the Falkland Islands, but should never have been given a place in the Battle Line.
Problem 1: Pitting lightly armored battlecriusers against better armored and better skilled German ships
Problem 2: Ships were overloaded with cordite, and the handling was not according to regulations because of the doctrine to fire as fast as possible. This resulted in a powder trail straight into the magazine, just waiting to be ignited
They did have issues with the fact that the petroleum jelly that had been added to the cordite as a stabilizer actually made it less stable.
Many say that if Beaty had been in charge of the grand fleet, we would have 'Trafalgared' them.
It wasn't "Scotland's War At Sea" ....... it was the British Royal Navy who happened to be using a magnificent Scottish anchorage.
Well yah... You were actually expecting Scottish sea power???
Um devisive. We were all in the fight. Agree with your assertion though.
@@nelsnels1219 About 3 people live in Scapa Flow ..... it's in the Orkney Islands of a remote part of Scotland. So don't be silly.
@@nelsnels1219 Cheers Nels. Scapa Flow is fascinating actually ..... you should read up about the poor Royal Oak that was sunk there by a German U Boat U47 in 1939. 833 British sailors lost their lives.
And after the WW1 in 1919 the Germans scuttled over 50 of their navy ships in the anchorage, so the place is full of sunken ships ....... a scuba divers mecca!
@Ian C Evans Don't blame the English because you sweaty socks are the poor, backward, uneducated drunks of Europe. I will throw your dad a shilling next time I step over him on the pavements of London.
Is the Narrator Vince from the episode "Scran" of Still game ?
How did the rail workers know the Brit fleet turned back?
Probably because the German fleet got to their ports first and the news would have travelled about a great German "victory".
Everything he says about working in the engine room is true, but there is more - all those men knew that if the ship went down, they were the ones almost guaranteed not to survive. Nothing quite like that to keep your mind on your job!
After the Battle of Jutland the German High Seas fleet never set sail again against the Royal Navy so in a way we won the Battle
Really? Heligoland bight?
While the grand fleet sat in the Harbor all bold and splendid out in the Atlantic the U boats where putting a strangle hold on Great Britain. Where Dreadnoughts engaged in convoy duty? Nope. That situation came close to Germany winning the conflict.
Fine, but realistically what would Dreadnoughts have been able to do against U-boats? They could protect convoys against surface raiders, but that was not the problem. At that stage there were few real defences against U-boats.
The vulnerability of the battlecruiser concept did not end here. The four Kongo class of the Japanese navy were originally designed as the ultimate in battlecruisers. Built in British shipyards and delivered to Japan in 1914. A program of upgrading the armor failed to turn them into survivable warships. Two were shredded in surface combat in WWII & a third succumbed to a torpedo salvo. The fourth was sunk by a dive bomber attack.
Only the Kongo was built in the UK at Barrow, the other 3 ships were built in Japan, but a great deal of ships equipment was supplied from the UK to complete the other 3,
The battle cruisers were designed to stay OUT of range of the German ships-they could then pound them with their 1 heavy shells. they were never supposed to be used with range of the German guns. AS to the defective shells-the detonators (up to 30%) were bad. this was a design flaw that was rectified. The British lost a lot of ships, but they won the battle, because the German Fleet never ventured out again-Sheer realized it would be suicide.
the "rule the 7 seas" arrogance has had that effect to all commonwealth - not just british - you know the story of HMAS Sydney vs KMR Kormoran
Battlecruisers were originally intended to dominate and destroy Cruisers. However...when your a hammer everything looks to you like a nail. Going toe too toe with Battleships was a bad idea. It wasn’t just a Jutland. Look at what happened when the HMS Hood the KMS Bismarck in the Denmark Strait.
Hood was agend that time, Bismarck the best battleship of these day... Prince of Wales was also heavyly damaged, Bismarck could have sunk her too, but the german captain wante to continue with his mission...
@@barfuss2007 I love Bismarck the way she sits "upright" on this slope 4790 meters below....mocking the brits with the scuttling holes visible.....she is the "Titanic" of battleships
a similar tragedy - for the crew. They sunk the Bismarck themselves...
weres the music from at 8:37
Does anyone know artist and title of the ending song?
amazing that someone so incompetent can be in charge of such great power. but we see it time and again..
It's true Churchill was garbage
would you say the same about stalin? @@BridgesDontFly
Very interesting documentary of these evens taken place so long ago. So different of our thinking today which makes it so easy to put knowledge together in hineside and criticise. Taking a simple view on the incredible massacre of men during WWI I believe one can honestly say Jellicoe was one of the wiser man and did not fail like many others did. Even Churchill should had sticked to his story when Jellicoe proved right by not losing, meeting the objective to disable the German high fleets power nor allowing Germany to be supplied by sea and as well saving lives. Sounds more like a hero to me, one of the finest commanders in that era. Churchill made the choice to survive politically rather than to stand post. However he did challenge the most incompetent field commander who was allowed to remain in command by the aristocracy, Douglas Haig. A men very close to being a war criminal, if not only by the cheer number of volunteering soldiers that he had shot dead in front of a firing squads. Needless to mention his insane war tactics and the number of lives perished because of them. Believe his family is still paying for his atrocities by providing Haig homes or houses for crippled soldiers today to make it a little bit right. Good old Churchill failed himself finally after playing a general miserably with his Gallipoli peninsula campaign. So in the end all does gets well we are living comparably free lives, Jellicoe has his statue on Trafalgar square and good old Church learnt his lessons and did so much better in the next war... Downside is that there are so many who pay the price for it...
BBC - Brilliant Broadcasting Corporation
Ritons Broadcasting Communism - normally - this is an exception.
British bullshit corporation.
Why does he have a small fashlight inside the ships? There must be a lighting crew with him!
the museum ship, USS Texas, is the last of the dreadnought ships.
I want to know when a pilot Jack became the letter "D".
Was he in still game running the snack van? Vince the poisoner of clydeside ???
The presenter is the embodiment of a rough scottish sea man.
Jellicoe's fleet is worth 1 US super carrier on today's money.
Gunther Prien didnt think Scapa Flow would stop the Kriegsmarine. And it didnt. The biggest black eye the RN ever got.
What a sacred flag.
The movie itself was pretty well described, but nothing about a director, actors, or even what year the movie was made. Sort of odd to leave out such basic information, I mean not even in the description.
@23:18 that is FGS MOELDERS x-Adams class DDG
Battlecruisers were a big mistake. They had the guns of a battleship, but the armor of a Cruiser. Their relatively thin armor made it possible to completely destroy them with just a few rounds. After the Battle of Jutland no more were ordered. The Battlecruiser HMS Hood was ordered before that battle, and was destroyed in one salvo by the Bismark in 1941.
oldgysgt Well if you used properly Battlecruisers can be very lethal
Paco Acosta; yes, but that is the problem, they never had a real niche in the overall battle plan. Because of this the naval commanders tended to use them to supplement the Battleships in war time; a task for which they were totally unsuited. Submarines, patrol boats, Destroyers, Cruisers, Aircraft Carriers, and Battleships are all designed to do a particular job in the Navy's order of battle, but the Battle Cruisers had no real job to do in the fleet, so they were used as fast Battleships, with disastrous result. The British have a saying, "Even a fast bird can be hit by a good shot". In the end, speed could not replace armor on a Capital Ship.
Battlecruisers were not designed or built to fight in the line of battle. They were designed with big guns to protect merchant shipping from Armored Cruisers, and enough speed to outrun contemporary battleships, so their relatively light armor would not become a vulnerability. And the battlecruisers that closed their flash doors survived similar big gun hits to those that destroyed their sister-ships.
G Kelly; you are correct that Battle Cruisers were not designed or built to fight in the line of battle, however, because in the 20th Century most commerce raiding was done by submarines, Cruisers and Destroyers could do the job of convoy protection even better, and at a lower cost, and the Battle Cruisers were pressed into service as fast Battleships, (a job for which they were unsuited). This proved disastrous for the HMS Hood. As the British say, "even a fast bird can be hit by a good shot" and the Germans proved that at the Battle of Jutland and later in the Battle of the Denmark Strait . The error in building Battle Cruisers was realized after the Battle of Jutland, and no new Battle Cruisers were ordered by the Royal Navy after that.
@Don White; you and I are on the same page. Thanks.
My Grandfather, Friedrich Fischer, was a machinist on a ship in scapa flow and he was 21 years old.
Anyone know that battleship / battleship class at 3:40?
+motorsiegefan931 Colossus mayby?
+motorsiegefan931 Either Neptune, Colossus or Hercules. The only three that had their midships guns mounted in echelon instead of straight side by side.
HMS Neptune! The two Colossus class ships had the foremast behind the fore-funnel.
Love how the British preserve their History!!
Yes,,indeed,its always good to preserve what and who we are,english,U.S.A,and orther japan ,,china,the countrys of south america,if you dont know were youve come from its harder to know were to go,and so on,,
How did battleships equipped with airplanes recover the planes when they finish patrols? How did the planes survive being exposed to the elements while on board? Did they pluck them from the water with cranes? Were the planes stored inside the ship during bad weather? Why didn't they equipe the planes with torpedoes and use them during battle? I'm ignorant of such things obviously.
I find the whole episode a tense and sad time and we as individuals must decide what is or what had to be done and this is savage as it is!:(
I have seen war up close and personal and have witnessed the carnage of friend and foe and I must tell you,war is a political right or wrong and damn the command to WALK ON!
May I add politicians have removed or have no sons or daughters engaged in ANY WAR(seriously what does this tell you!!:( and they know why ! politician feelings are no longer backed by guts, long gone are the days a king/QUEEN leads THEIR soldiers into battle, I FOR ONE BELIEVE THE MYSTIC POWER OF EFFORT HAS BEEN LOST! I believe if a power enters war personally and engages in full combat I would remember and acknowledge their prowess.
But alas wars and battles are controlled by the STOCK MARKET and this has to be ended for all mans sake:( small wars have been manufactured by money and it is only a matter of time that the stock market start a war they cannot control:(
Where is part 2? ;)
C2 and it's doctrine hadn't yet got of the age of sail.
RESERVE YOUR SEATS NOW. The Scapa Flow 2018 Naval History Conference in Scapa Flow will take place on 23-24 November 2018 in Kirkwall, Orkney. Information and tickets (and more) at shop.scapaflow1919.com.
Hi Dreyer are you going ??? may see you there. if interested in submarines, visit the submarine display at old north school EDAY (outer isles ) orkney. mike.
So many beautiful, heavy pluggers! What an era!
At 22:50 we are told the Royal Navy, the most powerful navy in the world most square up to the second most powerful navy in the world, that of Germany. This is in fact incorrect, the second most powerful navy in the world was that of France.
Wow
why do historians think that they should be the center of historical documentaries?