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HORIZONTAL or VERTICAL Position? | feat. KALI AUDIO IN-8 3 way STUDIO Monitor Speaker
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- čas přidán 1. 12. 2020
- Do you know that the Studio Monitor speaker can sound different dependently on its placement? Let's try H vs V position on desk.
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amazed at the difference in sound. I have gone thru several YT videos about this question but this was only one that tested in a easily demonstrable way the difference. One audio engineer said not to go sideways, one said its ok, but to put tweeters inside to negate the directionality of high frequencys being off axis and that made sense. from this test I preferred the set as shown
Thank you! That was exactly what I wanted to show.
Hope to be helpful
Except that the thing you’re saying about tweeters being inside was not the demonstrated preference.
Just stand them up as designed and aim them at you. No one who is going to play your music back on their home system will have their speakers laying on their sides. This is the height of silliness.
@@matsudakodo as point sources, they are allowed to be placed horizontally, you may also have to do this if they are too high for your studio stands.
I don't think it's really an issue when you consider other three-way monitors that have less than usual design such as lyd 48 or any coaxial monitor such as genelec. People make music on those all the time and they are not like speakers most people have
@@stealthis they are not point sources and you need to consider boundary effects
Upright is far better. On their side you're getting a big desk reflection causing a midrange to treble bloom. With that said, I would use full-range pink noise and measure.
Horizontal. Tweeters outside. :)
Damn right... Wider soundstage even on my earbuds.
Really great comparison. Thank you!
Horizontal stereo image is amazing with tweeters out many said we cant place in such maaner that was surprising
I am used to working with headphones (yeah, blame me), so the horizontal placement with its wide stereo image and separation between left and right gives me a familiar feeling
Hi dude, thanks for the nice comparison. However I think that as long as you hear a wider stereo image, then you gonna mix with a tighter one.
i just set mines like that and man!!! Im Keeping them like that!!!
Are we hearing phasing issues because the volume is not suppose to be changing up to 5DB. to me horizontally the highs stand out and become more clear the mids are clearer I hear more definition. And I don’t think it’s a desk resonance thing, vertically the bass goes away.
Finally someone’s out here answering the real questions! Great video dude 💪
Thanks 🤘🏻
These are actually designed to function Horizontal or vertical.
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@@MadSteex he asked a qustion
its horiontal actualy u can tell by the lenth
@@aaadiofc I didn't see a question mark.
True but is there specifics about tweeters facing out or in?? Seems weird that it would be subjective w these.
That’s how I set them up yesterday and I’m glad I have both a whirl - it’s sounding great horizontal with the woofers on the inside 💓
Amazing how noticeable the ‘openess’ is in the horizontal with tweeters outside. I also get a better image with the tweeters at ear level.
Yeah the perception can change dramatically!
Yeah, really loved the woofer on the inside... I have my Yamaha MSP7s on their sides with Sonarworks and they sound great as it evens any of those lows you mentioned out, I'll be getting the Kali IN-8 2nd Wave this week with the 12" Kali Subs can't wait, they'll be my new mid distance monitors.
Great choice man! I’ll tryout the 2nd wave
If you want the best openness while keeping depth to the stereo image, coaxial monitors is the way to go!
I've always had tweeters wide horizontal... A1 sound staging !!!!
Well To Me I Found The Woofer Outside Sounded Wider. Also Similar To The Upright Position. But Thanks For The Interesting Tutorial Was Looking For This 👐🏻🙌🏻🙏🏻👊🏻👍🏻✌🏻
The horizontal position is obviously better sounding but is it possible that it's because the mic is more level with the tweeters in that position vs the vertical position? The mic should be placed at that 'sweet spot' mimicking ear level.
the mics are always in the same position at ear level when in fron of the desk.
I agree. I think you needed to raise the mic for the vertical position because it raises the tweeters
Tweeters change = Sweet spot changes = mics should for sure change. This is already a questionable way to measure things but ask Kali Audio ?
Vertical sounds bit muddy and bommy but horizontal sounds bright? Sir can we plac presonus eris 5 xt in such ways
It really does come down to one point really, make sure that the speaker was designed to be able working on its side. If it doesn’t claim to be able to do that, simply don’t do it, it’ll ruin sour results🤷🏽♂️
Yes designed to use both in vertical and horizontal
In case of the IN8 V2, Kali specifically says that it can be either way.
Did you adjust the mic height toatch tweeter height when you switch from horizontal to vertical speaker placement?
@@belgradeboy1977 yes
@@MadSteex the difference in vertical and horizontal is just crazy. Thanks for the test
I much prefer them horizontall with tweeters on the outside for wide❤
Final position is quite common with mixing stereo panoram for frequencies. Low freq in the center and hi air pumping freq on side.
fuggin perfect demo broski!
Thanks 😊
Thank you for the video,I jave the 6 v2 and I will try your set up
My question is do you turn them off everyday or you keep them on all the time
And also at the back the monitors have 7 or 8 switches..how u have them set up?
Hi, I keep them horizontally always. I’ve the switches accordingly to the position on the speaker. On desk.
Anyway Kali says that the LP version should be kept vertically. Only IN version can be swapped
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thanks man, really appreciated your support!
Just get yourself a nice set of coaxial monitors paired with a sealed studio subwoofer and you won't have to deal with off axis inconsistencies.
just got the in-8s 2nd wave...im blown away
I’ll tryout soon them
@@MadSteex i recommend using them in a horizontal position with the mid/high tweeter on the Outside for amazing stereo image
@@tonioswan Yes like I always use my first version
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I'm curious how much of a difference there is when your monitors are horizontal or verticle on isolators such as those. It really makes you think
@@marcopolo266 I'm using the Viablue UFO XL absorbers.
Did you use the dip switches on the back to allow for the change in position? Are these the IN8 V2? In the video the stereo image with the tweeters on the outside was really cool! I'm looking to get these 2 speakers as I have heard great things about them.
V2? I think there is only 1 version of IN-8 monitors. Dip switches always the same since the speakers are always near walls and on the desk
@@MadSteex yeah it's the new one out, have a look at produce like a pro on CZcams, or even sweetwater on Google. They completely remade the speaker from the original one.
I'm pretty sure it says "second wave" under "studio coincident monitor" on the back
@@joshnolte Oh just see the video of Produce Like A Pro, and yes semms there is new one version; thank you for the update, I'll try to get more infos about.
@@MadSteex see what it sounds like. Apparently they're really good.
@@MadSteex nooo there's v2 oh damnnn😭
Did you measure the placement of your speakers to form an equilaretal triangle? If so, where did you measure from the speaker to your listening position? From the mid point or perhaps from the tweeter?
Hi! Yes always measured from the center of the woofer, in this way ony the tweter will be moved, UP or SIDE
sounds pretty mono when theyre vertical....i have vertical yorkvilles and they dont sound that mono
The mid range is super pronounced with the ports inwards. That’s how I’d keep them oriented. It’s the least flattering. Upright is the prettiest and outwards is boomy.
I much prefer them horizontal with tweeters on the outside for wide stereo
me too :)
I think that when we hear all the other placements the signal is in mono.is that right ?
No :) is the perspection! the horizontal position with tweeter in the out position there is an emphasize on the stereo image.
What size is your room? I am currently debating between the IN-5 and IN-8. Not sure wether the 8's would be overkill.
4x6 meters
Same! Wish there was better data on this very thing 🤔
Uh, ok but I think you’d have to reposition the mics for each position. No info about that taking place here pretty sure but this might be the main tonal / timberal differences I’d suspect…
No you wouldn't, the entire purpose of the microphones is to emulate your ears. Your ears don't change position when the monitors move around.
I like a wide stereo emage like you do, but in this setup i 'm not prefer than much low end especially in mixing and mastering process because it makes my mixes lack of bass
In whatevr posiion you place them , the first thing is always to know your monitor ;) both pro and cons.
What stands do you have for these monsters. I’m about to grab v2 and I’m trying to take the stress off my output platform desk
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I got the Kali Audio IN 8 a few days ago. I'm testing different positions but I never came to the point to lay them horizontal because there is no official option. But for the 2nd Wave Version is a setup to put them on the sides. In your video I can see that you are sitting really near to your speakers, so my question is how annoying is the hiss sound of these speakers for you ? Btw. Great video I will try to put them on the sides too :)
Hi Thanks for the question, I really can't listen any hiss noise in these IN-8 model, the LP-6 was the model with that hiss problem, however, it was very low the noise and as soon as the music started to play I was no able to recognize the noise anymore. IN-8 and IN8 2nd wave are identical in construction, so both can be used horizontally, is written on the welcome card when you open the IN-8 monitor box
@@MadSteex Thanks for the fast response. Okay I can hear the hiss sound in my IN8's but I have the IN8 and not the 2nd Wave of them. But when I start listening to music I can't hear it anymore too. I will try put them on the sides now :) Thanks and have a nice day
@@CryzorBeatz I've the 1st wave too :) I'm waiting to test the 2nd wave. I've only tested the LP8 2nd wave
@@MadSteex Maybe I'm to sensitive about hiss sounds :) My measure microphone should come in a few minutes so I can make some tests in my room :)
I'm thinking about my surround speakers in my 7.1 setup. They are vertical but how about having them horizontal? 🤔
I don't think it's the same.. stereo speaker in horizontal can enlarge the stereo image. but with 7.1 all around I think can b messy to make them horizontal cause you already have all around sound and keep airy frequency above than bass is better I think. 7.1 is not lacking of stereo image, cause.. well it's not stereo, it's 360 :)
@@MadSteex makes sense, thanks! 👍
Excellent.
adam t8 can be put in horizontal position?
I don’t think. But better to ask directly to the brand
exelent video , thankyou
Thanks to you man!
did you switch any of the dip switches settings behind the speaker ?
Yes for “near wall” and on desk position
Are the takes loudness matched?
Same -0.2 dB of peak if I remember well. So peak matched.
45 degrees is where its at.
merci I agree
Thank you!
Don’t just dismiss the missionary position.
Ahahah best comment
Interesting
Good test . Stay awesome
thank you!
AMAZING
Thanks 😊
They sound better to me vertical
hi, brill video! wishing you more and more views! could you please tell, how big is the room and is that a wall behind the desk or some kind of a panel? thx
Hi! My room is 6x4 and my acoustic treatment is made by Oudimmo Acoustic Design, which is an italian company but you can request also for international shipping. In my Italian YT channel searching for “Mad Steex Production” you can find 2 videos dedicated to my acoustic treatment showing that panels.
The test was very interesting. I am getting my first set of monitors soon and this was very interesting to me.
Be aware that you can do this with the Kali IN8 V2 but not with most other monitors/speakers.
Tried it your way with the in5's, really happy with it! Thanks for the video!
Thanks to you to keeping me seriously ;)
Why don’t you use a binaural head?
I’m thinking about that expecially to show how some headphones sounds…but you know they are so expensive (I’m talking about good gear), I’m searching something on rental but is very difficult to have. Just returned a binaural mic of roland cause was too dark and useless for a good review. I’ll search more
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