The MD vs DO WAR?! | My Response to Hasan Minhaj
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- There is not an MD vs DO war. Maybe there's an underground battle of which I'm unaware, but there's not a war. It's not Coke vs RC Cola, it's not any of that.
In this video I discuss Hasan Minhaj comments regarding MDs and DOs. I also discuss where it likely comes from and how no one in healthcare cares if you're an MD or DO.
Here’s the link to the video because NBC was kind enough to yell at little old me, a physician who actually knows what he’s talking about:
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As a person not in the medical field I can’t tell the difference. I also don’t care as long as the doctor is qualified : ) thanks for the information & your thoughts on it!
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D.O. here. Thanks for helping stomp stigma. You don't get enough views, man. Great stuff!
Appreciate you man
So I watched past him talking about DOs. He did actually thank him and I think Hasan was just making a joke, that plays on the difference between the two. His joke was funny and if you do twist the difference between an MD and a DO, you can make a few cheap jokes. But the problem is some people scoop this shit up and roll with it.
I guarantee you that someone watched this video, called there primary care office, and probably requested a new provider. Thank you to you and the rest of the medical professionals making videos to educate everyone on the difference.
Yeah only idiots would call their doctor and tell them that they are leaving them because of their degree lol, those are usually small amounts of the Population plus with someone like Dr Mike who is a DO and the most well known doctor it does give DOs a good reputation
1. Hasan was making a joke (he’s great!)
2. He made the same points you did (grades, quality of care, etc)
3. If anything this raises the awareness of DO’s because I just noticed the abbreviation a couple of years ago and was like WTF another group.
Here’s the thing I find when specifically trying to make a gynecologist appointment, I can never get one with a doctor unless you want to wait a year. I’ve seen nurse practitioners and physician assistants mostly for last decade. At first I was taken aback but it doesn’t bother me anymore. They are qualified and the ones I’ve seen work under a doctor. I pretty much go off of recommendations or reviews when looking for a doctor now that I do know what a DO is.
My worry is that the general population would, because of this skit, look down upon DOs, then potentially have their care changed/limited. All I wanted to do is let everyone know that MD vs DO really doesn't matter.
As a normal off the street person “Chiropractor” I know it’s generalised but for real if you want the good drugs you go to the MD there’s a pecking order to everything it’s called life. And when you say no one cares hmmmmm everyone cares this video proves it.
@@DrMikeHerring100% dude DOs can apply for any residency they want to I don’t know where this rumor came from that only MDs can get into hard residency’s such as plastic surgery when DOs can also pursue that residency by applying like residency don’t care about degree they care about if you are a competent physician and you excel in that specific field
I am President of the Pre-Student Osteopathic Medical Association (PreSOMA) at my university in the West Coast. I can tell you the student perspective, because my literal responsibility is to promote the DO degree to the PreMeds. They do a quick Google search and see comparatively lower average MCAT scores (usually 65 percentile to 75 percentile) of DO schools and make a bias in their minds.
This is what I have done to battle this:
1) It’s easy to judge people from a group, but it’s harder to judge the person from the people: Not everyone took the same route into medicine. I graduated high school with a 4.4/4.0 and a mid-1400s SAT score. With prestigious premedical acceptances and BS/MD and BS/DO acceptances, I decided on attending a DO program over my MD program simply because I got to stay in-state and use my merit scholarship from the state; my dad’s a DO, so naturally my connection here is larger.
When you’re in a binding BS/DO program, you can’t take the MCAT or apply elsewhere. So I’ve applied myself to research and doing great in school. I’m a last semester college junior majoring in bio with a 4.0 who got A’s in both semesters of OChem. All my BS/DO peers have similar stats or better, and our BS/DO average SAT is mid-1400s (98-99 percentile). I also know someone form a different BS/DO program at KCU who had to take MCAT since it’s the nature of their program who got a 522 MCAT. That being said, it’s very, very close minded to judge a person by the letters after their names.
2) DO is a medical degree, so is MD: You can go to the World Directory of Medical Schools and search USA medical schools. Results won’t only show MD programs; they will ALSO have the DO programs there. We learn the same medicine and surgery both ways.
3) Competency is not defined by letter or school: Caribbean MD schools have an astronomically lower MCAT score than a DO program; however, MDs from such schools turn out to be equally competent with residency and fellowship. When you’re looking over a Caribbean MD’s MCAT score, because he/she made it to a residency, what makes it hard to look over a DO’s letters? I think the answer is ignorance, which is what Hasan Minhaj showed. He could do better.
Well Mike, I’d like to thank you for putting forth such an interesting and informative video. To be honest, I had always felt a bit confused about just what the difference between an MD and a DO was. And should I choose one over the other. As it turns out, there really isn’t any difference between the two. All that matters is that the person is a good physician. Thank you so much for helping to clarify this for me. I enjoyed your video, good sir!
Thanks for watching!
If there’s no difference, why do they both exist? Come on. I’ve seen many med students and MDs say that many of them would NEVER say so, but they do feel superior to DOs.
Thank you so much Mike. I used to prefer a D.O. simply because I'm on a crap ton of meds and have a lot of chronic medical conditions. But you just changed my mind. Thank you for setting the facts straight. They are equal. Now to find a new doctor. Mine is not the best fit for me.
I gotcha🙏🏻
Thank you for making this video. As a DO, what matters most to me on this is that DOs and MDs stand together and work together as one. We’re all board certified doctors on the same team, and I would not be the doctor I am today without the awesome training I received from MDs and DOs. Much respect to you and all our physician colleagues. BTW I love your TikToks. I hope you get millions of followers so more people can benefit from what you teach. 👏
Well said and I appreciate the support! People don't know we all suffer through the same board exams 😂
@@DrMikeHerring Your comment made me have flashbacks to First Aid.
No amount of therapy will allow me to forget the Krebs citric acid cycle.
People need to chill out. He's not saying anyone is a bad doctor. People need to be able to take a joke. As long as you are licensed, thats all that is important. Laugh
Thank you so much for this!!! From a DO medical student
Yeah totally, good luck! Med school sucks 🥲
I chose DO. Went to MD And DO accredited residency. I was chief resident. I have never regretted my DO choice. I would put my training as a physician against anyone’s. I try to be the best doctor I can be. In this age of Covid and healthcare heroes, I thought it was in poor taste to talk about a war between MD and DO When so many doctors on both sides have put their lives on the line for the American public. Thank you for a very good video. And if there’s been a war I’ve never seen it
I agree. No point in the division, especially coming from people that don't know what they're talking about.
@@DrMikeHerring I’d say not all doctors are the same… working with them… they talk about each other. We know the incompetent ones from the doctor conversations haha MD/DO aside lol
Love the vid man
I’ve known a few people that were capable of of very high grades but you wouldn’t want them as your doctor. It really just has be in you to be a doctor
He is right about DO's generally having lower MCAT score, actually this might be a great research subject don't you think?
Of remarkably little utility as MCAT score is irrelevant to the practice of medicine
@@DrMikeHerring Very true. People outside of healthcare just don’t know these details but I guess it’s not their fault!
DO school actually give the chance for people to become a doctor and they tend to accept much more applicants hence why their MCAT score is low
My DO school got a neurosurgery match this year!
Awesome!
Great video. Thanks for posting this.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Shout out to the DOs
Uhhmm Maybe thiers have something hide in MD vs DO . But they can do team as one for a good cooperation on that set. More learning more lessons for good abilities situation . Keep up the good work . And stay healthy 🙏
Thank you Dr.Mike Herring. I used to prefer a D.O because is more simple
Glad it was helpful!
Very good
Sounds like a bit of pecking order going on there 🥴🙄
At the end of the day you have the same goal.. Saving lives 💜
Yep, and neither of us care what the other one is
I have heard DO recently but I felt Doctor means MD
Nope. Essentially the same thing. Can’t possibly tell the difference
I get your point but if they are same thing why the names are different ??
It has to do a bit with the manner of teaching
Medical degrees have many names; it’s the medicine taught in those degree courses that makes the difference. An MD and MDCM are the same things; MBBS and MBChB are the same things; MD and DO are the same things. All degrees mentioned are the same to each other. Why different names? Simply because the culture, country, institutions offering them. Then what makes them the same? The medicine taught in them-MD, DO, MBBS, MBChB, MDCM, etc.-all teaches you allopathic, Western medicine and surgery.
Compare that to a degree like MD(H) [now discontinued] which taught its students homeopathic medicine. So whatever name it may be, it’s the medicine taught that makes a difference.
The distinct difference between all these degrees that teach you allopathic medicine, including DO, is DO has a “-pathic” attached to its name that is different than the type of medicine taught in osteopathic medical schools. This is simply because of tradition.
Osteopathic medicine is not a medicine that you can buy in a pharmacy; it’s a “PATH” of practicing allopathic medicine. This was established by an army surgeon named Dr. Andrew Taylor Still, MD, who said late 1800s medicine was unethical for relying too much on narcotics and other types of now regulated drugs; we all know it’s true-this was the time when you could buy morphine and cocaine like they were candies and blood letting was a standard practice. Losing many family members to drug overdose, he tried finding a way that keeps off of people with issues. We have osteons in our bones; he said maybe manipulating those parts can help my patients deal with pain, and I wouldn’t have to prescribe morphine to them.
We also know that this idea was not completely off either. We have a speciality in medicine today known as physical medicine and rehabilitation (PM&R), in which manipulation (including many that came off of Dr. Still, e.g. HVLA, MFR) are standard practice.
However, throughout 1900s, pharmacology became very standard and medicine and medical technology improved A LOT. Therefore, this philosophy became history and tradition. MDs became very wholistic instead of doing symptomatic treatments. DO became a medical degree in mid-1900s by adapting pharmacology in its coursework and osteopathy changed from osteopathy to Osteopathic Medicine.
Why is it still around when they are teaching the same medicine? Why not? MBChB is offered by a few UK medical schools and MBBS is offered by some other UK medical schools. Why not standardize them into the name MBBS? You don’t have to. These schools have offered those degrees for decades. Let them celebrate their traditions. When looking for a doctor, decide what type of medicine you want to take and then find a doctor holding a degree in that discipline. If you’re looking for allopathic medicine, an MD or DO both suffice.
Hassan Minhaj is an RC cola version of a comedian.
Nah, he’s actually very good. You a DO?
He made that joke. People are just sensitive and dont bother to finish his interview