It never ceases to amaze me how many of those old records were punched off-center. This pre-dates PVC "vinyl" pressings, too. I've even seen 45s like that, mainly pumped out for volume distributors to markets when juke boxes were popular. Not too many seemed to care about fidelity.
In some cases it is most certainly true, I've got one record by Doris Day. With one side being heavily distorted off-center, and the flip side was perfect. A lot of the records I own from the 1930s doesn't suffer so much from this issue though. Could just be luck.
Sum the right and left channels together will also help quiet the pops and surface noise dramatically when using a stereo cartridge. Make it permanent, not like you will play anything else on this, and it cost nothing but some solder.
Ironically the acoustics of your workshop and the fact that your recording device has two microphones adds dimension. The 78s sound like they are in stereo through my headphones!
Sometimes I feel like I am listening to one of those 1960's Enoch Light "Persuasive Percussion" recordings with the ping pong right, left, right, left stereo effects as Dave's voice pans quickly left, right, left, right. Must drive you headphone people bonkers!
I’m glad to see you like old music like that and 78’s. I like 78’s and the old big band and jazz music. Now it would be good if you could add a pair of output jacks jacks so this machine can be connected to a recorder to preserve these recordings.
I can put output jacks on it and likely will, so I can record these old records. Yes I do like old music. I remember my grandmother playing her old James Melton records and it will be fun to revisit them. I actually do have another record changer that has 78 that I haven't serviced yet. I believe it is a Garrard. I am hopeful that some of these old records will be big band and jazz records. Not really into the show tunes and opera. I have some frank sinetra, bing crosby and sammy davis jr records on 78.
Nice, I actually did this to my Technics SL-D3. So now I can play, all 3 formats. Well technically I can play some of the 90rpm as well with pitch control
This was a good video! Glad you got it to 78 speed and you can listen to your old records! Oh get the right needle! I know i'm not the only one to say it>
I have a ton of 78’s in my collection. I played it on my wind-up phonograph. I have two wind-up machines like my Victor VV 8-4 Orthophonic Victrola from 1926, and my Camp Fone portable phonograph from 1923, and it still works and plays great. I did cleaned out the old grease, put new grease in on the spring motor, and it does the job.
I forget which model Victor I had. The spring let go and i sold it. Guy i contacted to fix offered me 1000 for it and i jumped at the chance. I see them come up for sale every so often for about the same price or a little more. Antique shop had one recently for 1100 in good shape. Too big though and loud. Had to stuff socks or a pillow in the horn to shut the volume down because they would blow you out of the house.
This amazing.... all this stuff is from our grandparents time....I remember these at there house....this is hard to believe they lasted over 100 years....1901 wow...3 dollars is. 20 dollars in today's money
18:19 From the label designs of RCA and Columbia that are on the records in the video, most of the records you demonstrate were manufactured in Canada in the first five years of the 1950's. Most of the 12 inch records you show after 21:00 were acoustically recorded in the 1920's and 30's, and meant to be played on acoustic hand cranked machines with steel needles. The dates shown are patent dates for the label. The one's from the fifties were electrically recorded and meant to be played with crystal pickups and electronic amplifiers. They will not last long when played with gramophones and steel needles. A side note about CZcams copyright strikes: I once got a copyright strike on a video I did at Christmas that had my Niece singing Ave Marie in the background. Maybe I could use the strike as evidence to get the company to pay her royalties for the song LOL, since they claimed to own it. Ave maria is public domain I believe, and only a specific recording of it can be copyrighted.
I noted the thick Columbia disk at 21.00.. I think it may possibly be a vertically cut disk from somewhere around 1910. I am not aware of any disks cut to that format except by Edison, but just maybe? I also got a copyright strike.. for my performance of my own song at a live event.. Some yank lawyer had so called registered it.. news to me. He lost out because I own it and it's published in my name !!
i think i may have just witnessed (The World's First Circuit Bent Record Player!) glad to see you found a use for this player! If you ever get far into the hobby of collecting old 78s, you should definitely get a dual 1019. If memory sirves me right you have a video or 2 floting around on your channel working on some duals. I regret trading my dual away especially after all the money I spent restoring it and on upgrades. Ended up trading it for a crappy gemini pa amp the kind of thing with gassed up specs.
@@12voltvids Nice! Hope I come across something similar again some day! For now I have this Radioshack Realistic LAB something something linear tracker that I restored and love it. It was a lot of fun getting it working and it was made around 1984 from what I could find online. Had it for almost 3 years now
I like listening to the jazz like Glenn Miller's Sunrise Serenade and reminds me driving a nice Toyota Camry LE from '09, and I used to listen to Glenn Miller in the car in the morning while I was up on the main road. Seeburg soundtracks is really good two and I enjoyed it.
I got a technics sl1900 years ago for very little money that is direct drive. It plays 33 and 45 and while it's not a SL1200 it's a pretty robust turntable. I found a schematic online and it looked like I could convince it to run at 78-80 without much work. 78's wee made for anything from 76 to 80 rpm (eary records were usually 80 rpm) so I wanted it to be adjustable. i added a small toggle switch to enable me to change the 45 setting to 78rpm nominal. By throwing that switch I can use the 45 speed adjust to run between 74 and 85 rpm. I built a phono preamp with opamps that has switchable equalization for several of the old 78 curves so I can play jst about anything
Your Columbia "Grand Prize" label record at 19:23 is from 1910. There is an excellent resource for looking up 78's called the online 78 rpm discography. That's how I found the year for that record. The record number was A5283. I believe these listings are for American issues, not sure how many UK pressings may be shown as the records may have different numbers. No lead out grooves until the mid-20's or so as that's when the first changer units started showing up. I have a couple nice boxes full of all sorts of 78's and all types of music...up into the start of the rock 'n' roll era. You've got a time capsule of what people listened to 100+ years ago, kind of fun. In another 100 years, it will still be there forever etched in those grooves! Some limited edition modern 78's are occasionally pressed. A record company called Rivermont released some "new" dance music on 78's in which I have a copy. This 78 is in STEREO and is microgroove and was pressed in 2019! Even the label and sleeve had that 1930's time period look to it.
It sounds to me that the tone arm has increasing resistance like heavy anti skate, near the end the noise increases dramatically as compared to the lead in, The adjustment you suggested on the auto return may be justified.
Just order the 3 mil needle for that Crosley clone ceramic cartridge, make it a dedicated 78 player, archive the records you like to digital, and give the records to a collector. That is what I would do. I have my 1965 Magnavox console that has a flip over 0.7 mil stereo/3 mil 78 and a CBS Mastersound portable record player with a Garrard 1000 changer that will play the old shellac records.
Well I have an offer on the table to buy the collection and if i can get something for it i will because i know there is value in these 78s. They sell them in the old vinyl store and some are quite valuable. Considering the age they all will be worth something but they will all end up with a collector. They are all in very good condition. I haven't gone through them all yet but I will in the next few days so i know what i have.
I'm sure some people are going to post crying about what an awful record player this is. In comparison to the midrange or high end, light tracking turntables of today, yes it is. BUT.... let me remind those people that the record players of the '78' era were often BRUTAL in comparison to this unit. I'm pleased to see that this unit has been given another chance. I would suggest, though, that you occasionally look in on that motor and make sure it stays lubricated, given its current age and the fact that it's spinning a lot faster than it originally did. Another suggestion would be to hook in a pitch control and mount it somewhere that's accessible externally. Some '78s' actually... AREN'T.
78's are not all opera, show tunes, big band, harmonica, classical or jazz. Sometimes there may not be a date on the label; or as shown in this video various dates are on there. It's usually possible to find out, with a little research. The sound quality can vary but is surprisingly decent, even with well-played records. It can be amazing what you find, there are some rare gems which might be one of the last of their kind. Most of you probably know all this, but I'm just saying it for those who don't.
That is a nice idea for that crappy thing 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Would a better quality turntable sound better, if converted to 78 rpm, or not 🤔 Could be a nice idea for those wirh a collection of oldies 👍🏻 I would have loved to hear something at the 122 rpm speed though 😉😜
No, a better turntable would not sound better unless a 78 stylus and cartridge was fitted and the tone arm set to 10 grams or more. The ceramic cartridge is mode than good enough for these old relics. Remember that old recordings used a vertical modulated groove, not the horizontal groove that later records used. The "needle" (that's a trigger word for some) rides up and down in the groove not side to side. The reason it plays on a stereo cartridge is stereo records used 45' angle recording so they respond to both the horizontal and vertical movement of the stylus.
@@PaulaXismaschenputtel far as I know (and I could be wrong ) columbia did not produce any vertical recorded discs, but in the early days they made vertical cylinder records
An interesting project would be to add a 78 external speed switch (with maintaining the other 2 speeds). Best to get a 78 stylus. I'm not an opera fan either, but when you have a copy of the lyrics/translation they are amazing songs/stories.
I had to laugh wen you got 100+ rpm from it, i could hear you enjoyed that lol. Opera is just controlled shouting, but i would say that lol. Some old records were made of shelac, very breakable. The old gramaphones were brutal, a pin that looked like a rounded nail was the stylus. Cant see how the records lasted at all.
Nice work and well done! Perhaps time to "Disc Washer" some of them as it could make quite the difference in fidelity? Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Did you ever balance that tone arm? ;) (We also have a box of them...) Any 16-2/3s come with those 78s? I also thought Copyright ended after a 'lifetime' - shock. Cheers!
For the worn records it would be a little quieter. The stylus on this one is not exactly small, but a 5mil would be preferred. Remember these were played originally using a sharpened roofing nail..
I wonder if these copyright strikes have to do with people 'renewing' the license - like some limited edition reissue that they fear losing capital on. I didn't think it worked that way but possibly - or was used in some modern Movie or TV show once.. ?
The copyright system used to work perfectly well until Di$ney started abusing it in order that Mickey Mouse didn't fall into the public domain ( He's about to run out of copyright again pretty soon iirc). These days the entire copyright system (especially on CZcams) is a real mickey mouse operation :(
That very thick Columbia disk may just possibly be a vertically cut disk.. competition with the Edison disks perhaps? If so it's really rare.. I can't find any specific listing. Noted the $3.00 price tag.. an absolute fortune in 1909
Another way is to play the 78's at 45rpm, recording into Audacity. In Audacity under effects, there is a change speed facility with presets already loaded to change from 45 to 78 plus other combinations.
Wow!!! - I think if you look on the Lead out groove the time stamp of when the record was pressed. might give you some idea of when it was manufactured...There are a lot of people who share recordings on you tube via records and they don't seem to get a strike - Can't see why you can't do the same. You tube needs to remember that this is the public tv and You tube needs to mind its own business - If you tube owns the recordings then yes they can squabble about it but they don't own what we all want to share so share david...
old, worn LP stylii sometimes work ok on 78s, but in any case it doesn't really matter as I guess the plan here is to play them all once to record them digitally then never play the actual records again - just as a way of archiving these recordings for posterity
Put on a adjustable homemade bracket, nut, ballpen spring, screw and counterweight to get the right weight on the needle perhaps? :) 22:08 I think the reason for this one side record being cracked in the middle might be due to it may be made of nitrocellulose. Does it have a sweet floral smell? If so it is the smell of nitrocellulose. Products of 30 years or older starts smelling like that, and gets more potent. Did you know that nitrocellulose was used as mining explosives in the past? And still used in many products today and is in many old records without owners knowing? The records are called acetates. Fran tells about it in this video, and that one should consider not put them in plastic bags to preserve them and instead give them lots of ventilation and away from heat. Becourse they gets damaged when not stored properly and can even burn and explode.. many old film studios and even hospitals did burn down to the ground becourse of the use of nitrocellulose in the film reels kept in airtight boxes. The film reels was made so the plastic was more flexible and may be the reason for this dange happening more with film reels. This is anyway a important video to watch for record collectors i think. Egads!!! The Volatile World Of NITRO!!! czcams.com/video/w8Uhys5Ldrs/video.html At 9:12 she tells about a record collector she know that have hundreds of these acetates records and he did get shocked when she told him it was nitrocellulose in them. And tells what one can do, like not store them hot and keep them ventilated. Nitroacetate can burn under water and in a vacum when they first combust. If you want something good and obscure to listen to you might find something in the Krautrock genre :) It is the 60's music multiplied by two kind of, some even gets into too much weirdness, it was much of that recorded in Germany in the 60's 70's. The album Frumpy - All will be changed is lovely, Inga Rumpf is a good singer :) czcams.com/video/aDEkJzYZ67I/video.html David Banner says this on the forum underneat the video so i wanna spread it more, spread the love people :) "I keep pinching myself, because what I'm hearing cannot be fucking real. Can't believe I just now found this band after 52 years on earth. Thank you, Thank You, Thank You!!!".
This type of turntable is typically set up at the factory to track at about 5-6 grams or so. That's the recommended tracking force for those ceramic cartridges. I suppose the counterbalance spring they used with these units could be damaged, worn, improperly set, or missing, but even if it really did track at 12 grams, that would still be fairly 'light' compared to the players those 78s were originally played on. If I were inclined to reduce tracking weight, I wouldnt use a spring. I'd probably epoxy a bolt to the rear of the tone arm, and then use a nut and/or some washers to make the tracking weight adjustable. If this was my project, I would disconnect the signal leads from the amplifier and set them up at the rear as a separate output, so that I could feed the signal to an amp with a proper ceramic phono input. I did something similar with a busted-up Crosley portable a few years ago. But, by this point, it would be beyond the scope of a simple 'resurrect and repurpose' kind of thing, yeah?
@@xaenon Yeah, the spiral spring was ment to hold the counterweight on the screw bracket more tight, so it can be adjustable. I think i has seen something like that before, it was what popped up when i did think about it there and then. It is likely hundreds of ways to make this, as in everything else :) My old dad had a old suitcase record player with a crank on it when i was a kid, it might have been a 78 player perhaps or was it more systems? It had a horn speaker system on the tone arm. Get a one-way speaker element with a paper cone as tweeter in the middle, it will fit good this old style music :) Make a cabinet, something like this antique wooden cabinet www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-wood-american-bosch-28-533909333 Yeah, the right sound is important, put in a tube buffer in this too to get some warm tube sound from vintage times, i got two of those, a one tube 6n3 and a two tube 6n3, chinese tubes, work fine, the one tube one makes more warmth but can be too much for modern music, i think that one is called starved tube buffer or something like that :) Yeah, we make things too advanced, agree, lol, but will fit fine for the second part called "How to make a vintage record player run on hydrogen cells" :)
Question: does speeding up the motor to get 78 RPM decrease it's life significantly? Just wondering. I have 1 12 inch 78 Rpm record. My late Grandmother's. (and stacks of 10 inch 78's) and also, a long, long time ago, only the wealthy could usually afford a victrola and records. At least that's what I read.
I had one way back. A totally manual model 4 speed 12" platter.. heavy as anything.. took a while to get up to speed. The auto ones were cute.. especially the way the arm banged the side of the record to find out it's size
To be fair about the copyright, music enters the public domain 70 years after the artist's death and the CLASSICS Act made music from 1922 and earlier in the public domain.
@@12voltvids they went bankrupt in 2017 and sunrise records bought the leases to good locations. the company passed hands several times though the 2000s
No. Most were recordef before electronics. The recording was made by the performer singing into a horn that had the cutting needle on the other end that was dragged through a wax disk. The wax disk was made into a stamper which was pressed into the schallac disks. All recorded live. Direct to disk. No mixing no microphones.
@@commietube_censorship_sucks Some were later and these ones has the no broadcast restrictions like the James Melton but many were much earlier. I have about 70 disks. I only showed a few. Many are the heavier single sided disks which are well before 1925. I am going by the copyright date on the disk. If it says copyright 1906 I have to assume that is when it was recorded. I am not about to research these old records as i am getting rid of them. I know the ones my grandmother left me are from the late 20s and 30s because they immigrated here in 1926 when my grandfather was laid off from Harland and Wolfe shipyards in Belfast. Yes he worked on the Titanic and the other white star line ships built in the early 19 teens.
@@commietube_censorship_sucks Come on guys let's not get into a shouting match over this stuff - either way this is fascinating and a genuine piece of history so let's all be nice about it eh? After all, being civil takes a lot less effort than arguing...
You need to 3D print a 78 stylus... Sorry. That thing was doing well spinning up around 130, wonder how long the motor would last if you ran it that quick for long.
I have not read the previous posts, but old 78's was not recorded using RIAA and therefore the reproduction using modern equipment makes them sound different. RIAA came around 1964-55 and is used for 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records. A chrystal needle (pick-up) is recommended as they "fill up" the groove, which modern styluses don''t. If you are just about to listen to your old 78's I don't think you will need to do anything. But, otherwise you should try to make the cartridge "moniozed" and then disconnect the RIIA-converter. To get the best sound out of a 78 is close to rocket scinence as the groves are recorded different depending on the record label. Also the grove has diffent withs and then the speed could vary between high 60 rpm and way above 80 rpm. There are lists on the net on the differences and it is so tiresome trying to chose the correct needles etc. Thankfully the modern era with vinyls and digital recordings make life easier - a little.
When it comes to copyright music is usually free it the composer has been dead for 70 years, but I don't know whay copyright regulations you have in Canada.
I am aware that they are not RIAA, but then neither is this ceramic cartridge pickup. The cartridge connects literally to the AUX input, the same one you would connect a CD player to. In fact the front panel switch selects the same amp input! They are parallel internal. That is the phono cartridge is connected to the AUX inputs. They will function as an output. For fun I should make a quick video on this. Yes I can connect this black plastic crap turntable to a real amplifier. Might just do that as I may be bored later today.
You did see the part where it went up to 52 RPM or was that a point that you skipped ahead? Its at 3:40 FYI. If you saw that then you would know that the resistor needed to go.
If the record is from 1913, is it still possible to get a copyright strike? Current time limit is 95 years from publication? Well that answers that. Maybe write strongly-worded legal threat to the supposed copyright holder would result in a big fat legal settlement check? Turn their own game against them.
If I didn't monetize my videos i wouldn't care. But then again if I didn't make anything on the videos i wouldn't be doing this. Unfortunately some people just don't get this. It is not paranoia, if you use someone else's content you are stealing and the content owner has every right to claim any revenue their music makes. That is why we use royalty free music. Sorry if you have the inability to understand this.
There are companies that are buying up the rights of all these old recordings. They are not necessarily in the music business but more about money and getting revenue from copyright.
There's a term in the law like "use it or lose it", which means something like: the owner of the copyright of the music must provide fresh copies to the public on modern media for reasonable prices, or the copyrights will not be granted. From recordingcopyright.org/faq.html : "The international record companies are fighting to extend copyright everywhere, to increase their monopoly control for up to 95 years-even though in most cases they won’t use it. They suffered a severe setback when the U.K. refused to extend its 50-year term in 2006. Most scholars and economists oppose term extension, and extensive studies have shown that it will cost the public money while not benefiting musicians, however politicians have largely ignored these studies and backed the companies. The companies next tried to push through a 95 year copyright term throughout the European Union, but again there was a furious backlash. Eventually a compromise was reached in which the term was extended from 50 to 70 years, but with significant conditions. The companies get the extra 20 years only for recordings that they keep in print ("use it or lose it"), there is no retroactivity (everything made prior to the early 1960s stays in the public domain), and they have to start paying backing musicians, not just the "stars," no matter what the original contracts said. Separately, the European Union has also enacted legislation allowing the use of "orphan works." The Europeans realize how badly the U.S. model has turned out and that extending absolute monopoly control for a century does not make sense."
You're right. In England, the label was "His Master's Voice", named after the original painting. It was owned by Victor/RCA. They used that up into the 1950's.
No. Those are crappy for 78s. No pressure adjustment which those are insufficient. 78s need more counterweight (I do mine at 5.5g) and a direct drive motor turntable (old Gemini PT2000).
@@claytonmoore9530 CZcams only makes matches based on what copyright holders send them as sample files. So someone at WMG and the other record companies sent them the samples.
Hmmm, no wonder new vinyl costs 120.00 today. Yes, my brain dead 21 year old has new shitty vinyl that he pays like 100 to 120 for a silly record. When I was collecting vinyl back in the late 70's and very early 80's (bought a CD player in 83 and never bought another vinyl after than) I remember going to the recoed store and walking out of the record was more than 5.00. I would wait a few weeks till it was no longer on the top 10 and the price would drop. I proudly stuck the price sticker to the jacket of the album. Police Regatta De Blanc 1.99, Ghost in the Machine 2.99, 38 special 2.99, Frampton comes alive 2.99, Eagles Hotel California 3.99. Those were the days.
@@12voltvids Yes correct and unless that $120 record was recorded in Analog then it kind of negates it's purpose. Some companies re-issue all analog recordings, but pressed on high quality vinyl.....one such operation, owned by Chad Kassem, is Acoustic Sounds, Inc
@@Sans_Solo_ Why would anyone record in analog? If my favorite performer released a new recording and they did it in analog i would skip it. High resolution digital is so superior to any analog recording. Shit even standard 44.1 16b is superior. I have compared all kinds of different recordings on sound systems costing far in excess to anything I will ever own. I was at a client's home and he had a system that he claimed was close to 500,000. If you saw it you would understand. The speakers were 125000 by themself. He put on Dave grusin mountain dance. He had the LP and cd. This was a live in the studio recording no overdubs. Recorded direct to disk and direct to soundstream 2 track digital tape for the cd. He was playing it on a turntable that he said the tone arm and cartridge was just under 40 grand. I stood in his living room and he played both. The LP sounded very good. The cd put the LP to shame. Couldn't tell you the speakers but they were these huge round horns that were about 6 feet in diameter and the back stuck out about 5 feet. They wouldn't fit in my living room. All I can say is I have never heard anything like it in my life. The cd you could place where the musicians were in the studio. It was literally a 3 dimential sound. If you heard it you would feel the same way about vinyl I do. Limited. Cd releases of shitty 80s rock and pop did the format a disservice because the engineers didn't do a cd mix from the session tapes. They worked with the tapes that were already a few generations down and mixes for the limitations of vinyl and cassette. No point arguing about how cassette or vinyl sounds compared to cd unless you have had a proper listen with good source material on a good system. Even on my system cd blows away any analog source.
@@12voltvids Believe it or not there is a small contingent of All Analog recording studios doing business today. (The majority of the studios use PCM or DSD digital to record tho) The Acoustic Sounds vinyl is interesting because he is known for re-mastering archives of existing analog tapes, of major artist’s, then pressing Ultra high quality vinyl. (The UHQR do sound very good!….I only have a few because they are very pricey). Yea I would never go crazy with my Audio system (Like to buy hi quality second hand gear and refurbish it as required) My system never will go beyond the 10K mark, at any one time, tho I do buy/sell quite a bit. Like the gentlemen you described, people can get very carried away with their system’s for probably only a few percent greater performance/enjoyment points than a carefully orchestrated collection of hi-end second hand gear. Was able to do the factory tour at PS Audio in 2019 and this included spending about half an hour alone in Audio room One (with Arnie Nudell’s magnum opus speakers: Infinity IRS V’s) Amazing sound! The turntable wasn’t hooked up that day so I just streamed on the Ipad. As for Records V CD’s…...yea I prefer vinyl myself (tho do have a nice Krell CD-300 I use). ...I know the specs show digital to be far superior in noise levels, distortion, and dynamic range etc…..but digital just lacks a sense of spatial imaging, depth, and a deeper sense of rhythm that a well recorded/pressed vinyl can deliver to my ears. I would compare it to riding a motorcycle…..why would someone want to ride around town on a loud, noisy, 2-wheeled vehicle….feeling every bump in the road, wind blowing in your face etc. when you can drive in a nice quiet air-conditioned car protected from the elements? Well because you have a different connection with the road and nature while riding a motorcycle than a car….and well it’s just cool! :)
@@12voltvids - LOL I didn't realise they were 78's until I started viewing. I don't understand the recent obsession with vinyl records... we were SO excited to finally be rid of them once the CD came in. No way the vinyl ever sounded better than CD, however I guess that audiofools can convince themselves of almost anything! A warm sound (does that mean no treble?) can easily be created with a graphic equalizer, or even just the Bass and Treble controls.
@@johncoops6897 I feel the same way. I guess they are brainwashed. I keep hearing that they like the physical media and holding it in their hand. Hello, cd is physical that you can pick up. And takes much less space to store.
06:41 - 😂😂 Kinda expected this to happen. It's a bit hard to believe these records aren't public domain yet, they should be. Nobody releases these anymore, wtf?? 18:19 - Yea, this is what I'm talking' about. Just WTF?? Why copyright bug goo records yet?? Literally, everyone who worked on making these are *long dead* .
If that album is from 1913 it's in quite unbelievable condition. They've been well kept and will increase in value with time. Take care: they're really fragile in more ways than one! You need use special packaging methods when posting them and even then you're never sure they'll get there safe. The needle used can also damage them during playback. I believe the problem is some modern 78rmp needles have a stylus that's too small and gets pretty much way down at the bottom part of the groove, scraping its sides. Gotta remember that modern needles have diamond tip which is a lot harder than 78rpms can take. You're quite lucky to get such a collection but shellac disks need proper storage conditions and take a lot of space. Lot's of people don't know they're quite valuable and just throw them away which is very unfortunate as a lot of rare recordings, especially by the early greatest artists of the 20rh century only exist in shellac.
@@marka1986 Well he could of used some thing that wasn't worth much as i'm sure there is some wheres, i know when we were kids we used to do that, and also play them in reverse to see if any hidden messages.
@@randymoyer5351 My Beatles records were all played in reverse. "Turn me on deadman" from Revolution 9, "I buried Paul" from Strawberry fields. Lots of messages in that mess that was revolution #9 from the white album.
CZcams doesn't copyright a thing. They match content to 3rd party claimants. If someone uploads a copy or a portion of one of my videos I am notified and i can have the offending video taken down. If it is a big channel with lots of views I can claim the money generated.
It never ceases to amaze me how many of those old records were punched off-center. This pre-dates PVC "vinyl" pressings, too. I've even seen 45s like that, mainly pumped out for volume distributors to markets when juke boxes were popular. Not too many seemed to care about fidelity.
In some cases it is most certainly true, I've got one record by Doris Day. With one side being heavily distorted off-center, and the flip side was perfect. A lot of the records I own from the 1930s doesn't suffer so much from this issue though. Could just be luck.
Sum the right and left channels together will also help quiet the pops and surface noise dramatically when using a stereo cartridge. Make it permanent, not like you will play anything else on this, and it cost nothing but some solder.
Scotty warp factor 9. I laughed so hard when your phone went flying! NICE job! Another one saved.
Ironically the acoustics of your workshop and the fact that your recording device has two microphones adds dimension. The 78s sound like they are in stereo through my headphones!
Sometimes I feel like I am listening to one of those 1960's Enoch Light "Persuasive Percussion" recordings with the ping pong right, left, right, left stereo effects as Dave's voice pans quickly left, right, left, right. Must drive you headphone people bonkers!
That's great that you are finally able to hear your 78's! I knew you would be able to figure it out.
I’m glad to see you like old music like that and 78’s. I like 78’s and the old big band and jazz music. Now it would be good if you could add a pair of output jacks jacks so this machine can be connected to a recorder to preserve these recordings.
I can put output jacks on it and likely will, so I can record these old records. Yes I do like old music. I remember my grandmother playing her old James Melton records and it will be fun to revisit them. I actually do have another record changer that has 78 that I haven't serviced yet. I believe it is a Garrard. I am hopeful that some of these old records will be big band and jazz records. Not really into the show tunes and opera. I have some frank sinetra, bing crosby and sammy davis jr records on 78.
I enjoyed this one way more than I thought I would! More fun than a box of frogs!!! Hours of fun. Enjoy the rediscovery of those wonderful 78s. 😎
Nice, I actually did this to my Technics SL-D3. So now I can play, all 3 formats. Well technically I can play some of the 90rpm as well with pitch control
I love this channel 💕
This was a good video! Glad you got it to 78 speed and you can listen to your old records! Oh get the right needle! I know i'm not the only one to say it>
What a great idea, thanks for showing us all.
You're a mad scientist. Nice job on the cellphone launcher Mr. Dave! Fred
I wasn't expecting it to go into warp drive.
Not sure what the deal with CZcams is. I can look up any song I want and play it full length in reasonable quality.
Very cool! Thanks for posting ;)
I have a ton of 78’s in my collection. I played it on my wind-up phonograph. I have two wind-up machines like my Victor VV 8-4 Orthophonic Victrola from 1926, and my Camp Fone portable phonograph from 1923, and it still works and plays great. I did cleaned out the old grease, put new grease in on the spring motor, and it does the job.
I forget which model Victor I had. The spring let go and i sold it. Guy i contacted to fix offered me 1000 for it and i jumped at the chance. I see them come up for sale every so often for about the same price or a little more. Antique shop had one recently for 1100 in good shape. Too big though and loud. Had to stuff socks or a pillow in the horn to shut the volume down because they would blow you out of the house.
@@12voltvids That must have been those wild opera parties people had in the day, crank it up loud!
@@teacfan1080 roaring 20s
This amazing.... all this stuff is from our grandparents time....I remember these at there house....this is hard to believe they lasted over 100 years....1901 wow...3 dollars is. 20 dollars in today's money
18:19 From the label designs of RCA and Columbia that are on the records in the video, most of the records you demonstrate were manufactured in Canada in the first five years of the 1950's. Most of the 12 inch records you show after 21:00 were acoustically recorded in the 1920's and 30's, and meant to be played on acoustic hand cranked machines with steel needles. The dates shown are patent dates for the label. The one's from the fifties were electrically recorded and meant to be played with crystal pickups and electronic amplifiers. They will not last long when played with gramophones and steel needles. A side note about CZcams copyright strikes: I once got a copyright strike on a video I did at Christmas that had my Niece singing Ave Marie in the background. Maybe I could use the strike as evidence to get the company to pay her royalties for the song LOL, since they claimed to own it. Ave maria is public domain I believe, and only a specific recording of it can be copyrighted.
I noted the thick Columbia disk at 21.00.. I think it may possibly be a vertically cut disk from somewhere around 1910. I am not aware of any disks cut to that format except by Edison, but just maybe?
I also got a copyright strike.. for my performance of my own song at a live event.. Some yank lawyer had so called registered it.. news to me. He lost out because I own it and it's published in my name !!
Brilliant idea mate.
I thought so.
i think i may have just witnessed (The World's First Circuit Bent Record Player!)
glad to see you found a use for this player!
If you ever get far into the hobby of collecting old 78s, you should definitely get a dual 1019.
If memory sirves me right you have a video or 2 floting around on your channel working on some duals.
I regret trading my dual away especially after all the money I spent restoring it and on upgrades. Ended up trading it for a crappy gemini pa amp the kind of thing with gassed up specs.
I do have a dual 1214. Just my son has "borrowed" it.
@@12voltvids Nice!
Hope I come across something similar again some day!
For now I have this Radioshack Realistic LAB something something linear tracker that I restored and love it.
It was a lot of fun getting it working and it was made around 1984 from what I could find online.
Had it for almost 3 years now
Nice to see it has a second life ... good job
That was a great idea!!!
I like listening to the jazz like Glenn Miller's Sunrise Serenade and reminds me driving a nice Toyota Camry LE from '09, and I used to listen to Glenn Miller in the car in the morning while I was up on the main road.
Seeburg soundtracks is really good two and I enjoyed it.
I got a technics sl1900 years ago for very little money that is direct drive. It plays 33 and 45 and while it's not a SL1200 it's a pretty robust turntable. I found a schematic online and it looked like I could convince it to run at 78-80 without much work. 78's wee made for anything from 76 to 80 rpm (eary records were usually 80 rpm) so I wanted it to be adjustable.
i added a small toggle switch to enable me to change the 45 setting to 78rpm nominal. By throwing that switch I can use the 45 speed adjust to run between 74 and 85 rpm. I built a phono preamp with opamps that has switchable equalization for several of the old 78 curves so I can play jst about anything
You need a 78 needle to keep from hurting your lp's
Didn't sound like the stylus was killing the grooves. So probably it was OK. You can hear a hiss when something goes awry.
lp's?
@@alternateunreleasedshellac505 Records
Now you need a 3mil stylus for the 78s for best sound quality. 🎶🎶🎶
And to not have the stylus tear out the groove (or visa-versa).
yup.
Your Columbia "Grand Prize" label record at 19:23 is from 1910. There is an excellent resource for looking up 78's called the online 78 rpm discography. That's how I found the year for that record. The record number was A5283. I believe these listings are for American issues, not sure how many UK pressings may be shown as the records may have different numbers. No lead out grooves until the mid-20's or so as that's when the first changer units started showing up. I have a couple nice boxes full of all sorts of 78's and all types of music...up into the start of the rock 'n' roll era. You've got a time capsule of what people listened to 100+ years ago, kind of fun. In another 100 years, it will still be there forever etched in those grooves! Some limited edition modern 78's are occasionally pressed. A record company called Rivermont released some "new" dance music on 78's in which I have a copy. This 78 is in STEREO and is microgroove and was pressed in 2019! Even the label and sleeve had that 1930's time period look to it.
It sounds to me that the tone arm has increasing resistance like heavy anti skate, near the end the noise increases dramatically as compared to the lead in, The adjustment you suggested on the auto return may be justified.
Sorry if off topic dave but did you ever have any trouble with stripped philips screws? Just curious.
Sound quality is quite amazing.
Just order the 3 mil needle for that Crosley clone ceramic cartridge, make it a dedicated 78 player, archive the records you like to digital, and give the records to a collector. That is what I would do. I have my 1965 Magnavox console that has a flip over 0.7 mil stereo/3 mil 78 and a CBS Mastersound portable record player with a Garrard 1000 changer that will play the old shellac records.
Well I have an offer on the table to buy the collection and if i can get something for it i will because i know there is value in these 78s. They sell them in the old vinyl store and some are quite valuable. Considering the age they all will be worth something but they will all end up with a collector. They are all in very good condition. I haven't gone through them all yet but I will in the next few days so i know what i have.
I'm sure some people are going to post crying about what an awful record player this is.
In comparison to the midrange or high end, light tracking turntables of today, yes it is.
BUT.... let me remind those people that the record players of the '78' era were often BRUTAL in comparison to this unit.
I'm pleased to see that this unit has been given another chance. I would suggest, though, that you occasionally look in on that motor and make sure it stays lubricated, given its current age and the fact that it's spinning a lot faster than it originally did.
Another suggestion would be to hook in a pitch control and mount it somewhere that's accessible externally. Some '78s' actually... AREN'T.
78's are not all opera, show tunes, big band, harmonica, classical or jazz. Sometimes there may not be a date on the label; or as shown in this video various dates are on there. It's usually possible to find out, with a little research. The sound quality can vary but is surprisingly decent, even with well-played records. It can be amazing what you find, there are some rare gems which might be one of the last of their kind. Most of you probably know all this, but I'm just saying it for those who don't.
I'm going through my collection
That is a nice idea for that crappy thing 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Would a better quality turntable sound better, if converted to 78 rpm, or not 🤔
Could be a nice idea for those wirh a collection of oldies 👍🏻
I would have loved to hear something at the 122 rpm speed though 😉😜
No, a better turntable would not sound better unless a 78 stylus and cartridge was fitted and the tone arm set to 10 grams or more. The ceramic cartridge is mode than good enough for these old relics. Remember that old recordings used a vertical modulated groove, not the horizontal groove that later records used. The "needle" (that's a trigger word for some) rides up and down in the groove not side to side. The reason it plays on a stereo cartridge is stereo records used 45' angle recording so they respond to both the horizontal and vertical movement of the stylus.
@@commietube_censorship_sucks I think that extra thick Columbia might be one of those rare vertical cut ones.
Some early Pathe records played at 100 rpm!
@@PaulaXismaschenputtel far as I know (and I could be wrong ) columbia did not produce any vertical recorded discs, but in the early days they made vertical cylinder records
An interesting project would be to add a 78 external speed switch (with maintaining the other 2 speeds). Best to get a 78 stylus. I'm not an opera fan either, but when you have a copy of the lyrics/translation they are amazing songs/stories.
I am aware they are stories, but I don't understand Italian or Latin so to my ears it sounds like something being murdered.
I had to laugh wen you got 100+ rpm from it, i could hear you enjoyed that lol.
Opera is just controlled shouting, but i would say that lol.
Some old records were made of shelac, very breakable.
The old gramaphones were brutal, a pin that looked like a rounded nail was the stylus.
Cant see how the records lasted at all.
What a collection you have hard to come buy
Nice work and well done! Perhaps time to "Disc Washer" some of them as it could make quite the difference in fidelity? Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Did you ever balance that tone arm? ;) (We also have a box of them...) Any 16-2/3s come with those 78s? I also thought Copyright ended after a 'lifetime' - shock. Cheers!
The next guardian of these records can wash them.
That was great, after looking at $10,000 Geithain speakers CZcams 'cleansed' me with this.
Best 78's sound I ever hear , do you play them in MM cartridge? And I hear louder motor hawling than click noise, haha
That is a ceramic cartridge on that one that has been mono wired. I have a real mono record player with a tube amp. You think this is sounds good.
THIS is WAY cool!!!!!!!!! :)
It works
I'm curious, how much less swushy they'd sound with a different shaped/sized stylus?
For the worn records it would be a little quieter. The stylus on this one is not exactly small, but a 5mil would be preferred. Remember these were played originally using a sharpened roofing nail..
What was that I heard... your doorbell, copyright police at the front door...
You might add a switch to switch in the proper resistance to get the 45 back and maybe 16 as well.
I would never play a 45 or 33 on this. I have a Thorens td165 and Technics SLM1 for those records. This will be for the old 78s only and nothing else.
I wonder if these copyright strikes have to do with people 'renewing' the license - like some limited edition reissue that they fear losing capital on. I didn't think it worked that way but possibly - or was used in some modern Movie or TV show once.. ?
The copyright system used to work perfectly well until Di$ney started abusing it in order that Mickey Mouse didn't fall into the public domain ( He's about to run out of copyright again pretty soon iirc). These days the entire copyright system (especially on CZcams) is a real mickey mouse operation :(
That very thick Columbia disk may just possibly be a vertically cut disk.. competition with the Edison disks perhaps? If so it's really rare.. I can't find any specific listing.
Noted the $3.00 price tag.. an absolute fortune in 1909
Yes I am hanging onto those ones. I hang onto some of the instrumental disks and sell the opera
😍!
Ludicrous speed!!!
GO!
Those albums ended up in the right hands.
I keep a few and the rest going to a collector that will listen to them.
@@12voltvids If they had been given to a teenager, they'd be used for round ninja stars. We're all just temporary curators.
Thanks for all you do.
What is the name of the application that measures the speed of the turntable
Another way is to play the 78's at 45rpm, recording into Audacity.
In Audacity under effects, there is a change speed facility with presets already loaded to change from 45 to 78 plus other combinations.
That's too much work.
Wow!!! - I think if you look on the Lead out groove the time stamp of when the record was pressed. might give you some idea of when it was manufactured...There are a lot of people who share recordings on you tube via records and they don't seem to get a strike - Can't see why you can't do the same. You tube needs to remember that this is the public tv and You tube needs to mind its own business - If you tube owns the recordings then yes they can squabble about it but they don't own what we all want to share so share david...
did you change your needle to a 78.
Stylus for 78 has different profile than lp or 45rpm for optimum playback as lp stylus will damage grove of 78 rpm
If you hear a hiss, that's a telltale sign of the stylus wrecking the grooves. Did you hear a hiss here?
old, worn LP stylii sometimes work ok on 78s, but in any case it doesn't really matter as I guess the plan here is to play them all once to record them digitally then never play the actual records again - just as a way of archiving these recordings for posterity
Rewire the cartridge output for mono.. Or put a mono cart with a 78 stylus. That will eliminate most of that surface noise.
Yes I know. Or turn down the trebble. I won't be playing many 78s. Most of these will be going to a collector.
I'm guessing Sinatra for the full strike
I wouldn't worry about getting a content match as presumably most of the 78s would be out of copyright by now?
That's what i though but 4 matches and 1 worldwide block on the French one.
Find some Spike Jones. Liberace, and Guy Lumbardo. There was great stuff from the 20s and 30s.
You may want to install a 78lrpm needle as it will give even better sound.
Put on a adjustable homemade bracket, nut, ballpen spring, screw and counterweight to get the right weight on the needle perhaps? :)
22:08 I think the reason for this one side record being cracked in the middle might be due to it may be made of nitrocellulose. Does it have a sweet floral smell? If so it is the smell of nitrocellulose. Products of 30 years or older starts smelling like that, and gets more potent.
Did you know that nitrocellulose was used as mining explosives in the past? And still used in many products today and is in many old records without owners knowing? The records are called acetates.
Fran tells about it in this video, and that one should consider not put them in plastic bags to preserve them and instead give them lots of ventilation and away from heat. Becourse they gets damaged when not stored properly and can even burn and explode.. many old film studios and even hospitals did burn down to the ground becourse of the use of nitrocellulose in the film reels kept in airtight boxes. The film reels was made so the plastic was more flexible and may be the reason for this dange happening more with film reels.
This is anyway a important video to watch for record collectors i think.
Egads!!! The Volatile World Of NITRO!!!
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At 9:12 she tells about a record collector she know that have hundreds of these acetates records and he did get shocked when she told him it was nitrocellulose in them. And tells what one can do, like not store them hot and keep them ventilated. Nitroacetate can burn under water and in a vacum when they first combust.
If you want something good and obscure to listen to you might find something in the Krautrock genre :)
It is the 60's music multiplied by two kind of, some even gets into too much weirdness, it was much of that recorded in Germany in the 60's 70's.
The album Frumpy - All will be changed is lovely, Inga Rumpf is a good singer :)
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David Banner says this on the forum underneat the video so i wanna spread it more, spread the love people :)
"I keep pinching myself, because what I'm hearing cannot be fucking real. Can't believe I just now found this band after 52 years on earth. Thank you, Thank You, Thank You!!!".
This type of turntable is typically set up at the factory to track at about 5-6 grams or so. That's the recommended tracking force for those ceramic cartridges. I suppose the counterbalance spring they used with these units could be damaged, worn, improperly set, or missing, but even if it really did track at 12 grams, that would still be fairly 'light' compared to the players those 78s were originally played on.
If I were inclined to reduce tracking weight, I wouldnt use a spring. I'd probably epoxy a bolt to the rear of the tone arm, and then use a nut and/or some washers to make the tracking weight adjustable.
If this was my project, I would disconnect the signal leads from the amplifier and set them up at the rear as a separate output, so that I could feed the signal to an amp with a proper ceramic phono input. I did something similar with a busted-up Crosley portable a few years ago.
But, by this point, it would be beyond the scope of a simple 'resurrect and repurpose' kind of thing, yeah?
@@xaenon Yeah, the spiral spring was ment to hold the counterweight on the screw bracket more tight, so it can be adjustable.
I think i has seen something like that before, it was what popped up when i did think about it there and then. It is likely hundreds of ways to make this, as in everything else :)
My old dad had a old suitcase record player with a crank on it when i was a kid, it might have been a 78 player perhaps or was it more systems? It had a horn speaker system on the tone arm.
Get a one-way speaker element with a paper cone as tweeter in the middle, it will fit good this old style music :) Make a cabinet, something like this antique wooden cabinet www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-wood-american-bosch-28-533909333
Yeah, the right sound is important, put in a tube buffer in this too to get some warm tube sound from vintage times, i got two of those, a one tube 6n3 and a two tube 6n3, chinese tubes, work fine, the one tube one makes more warmth but can be too much for modern music, i think that one is called starved tube buffer or something like that :)
Yeah, we make things too advanced, agree, lol, but will fit fine for the second part called "How to make a vintage record player run on hydrogen cells" :)
Some of those recordings may be in the public domain now. Check the year of expiration.
Question: does speeding up the motor to get 78 RPM decrease it's life significantly? Just wondering.
I have 1 12 inch 78 Rpm record. My late Grandmother's. (and stacks of 10 inch 78's) and also, a long, long time ago, only the wealthy could usually afford a victrola and records. At least that's what I read.
Very likely, but you could just change the belt drive pulley instead, bigger diamater.
Won't hurt it at all. DC motor will run at pretty much any speed up to the point it flys apart and this isn't even remotely close to that speed.
and now the victrola name has been bought out by trashy unknown china manufacturing lol
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Well you know who to blame for that.
There are also 16 rpm records, it will be nice to set other speed to 16rpm
Yes it would be very easy to do and if I had a 16 rpm record i would set the 33 speed to 16.6
the older Collaro changers had a setting for fully manual play i. have one of the last ones
I had one way back. A totally manual model 4 speed 12" platter.. heavy as anything.. took a while to get up to speed. The auto ones were cute.. especially the way the arm banged the side of the record to find out it's size
@@PaulaXism that was a very effficient way to have a turntable find the right size
I Put Battery's In That Portable CD player &
Wen I Pressed The Play Button
The Display Acted Like It Wanted To Work
But It Faded Out.
To be fair about the copyright, music enters the public domain 70 years after the artist's death and the CLASSICS Act made music from 1922 and earlier in the public domain.
I had copyright matches on this old music.
His master’s voice or HMV was a music store in the UK but exists today on life support.
HMV is a music store here in Canada and they still exist. There is one at the local mall.
@@12voltvids HMV in canada was bought out by sunrise a few years ago
@@mraaron1584 HMV sign is still there
@@12voltvids they went bankrupt in 2017 and sunrise records bought the leases to good locations. the company passed hands several times though the 2000s
@@mraaron1584 I haven't set foot in a record store since the 90's. I record everything I like off the music service from my cable provider.
Even The Worst Brings Out The Good Of Us, oldbean.
Do You Like Classic Country?
That 123 rpm GOSH... be careful with speeding tickets!
Do 78 rpm records have RIAA equalization?
No. Most were recordef before electronics. The recording was made by the performer singing into a horn that had the cutting needle on the other end that was dragged through a wax disk. The wax disk was made into a stamper which was pressed into the schallac disks. All recorded live. Direct to disk. No mixing no microphones.
@@commietube_censorship_sucks these were all pre 1925
@@commietube_censorship_sucks dates on many show 1916
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Some were later and these ones has the no broadcast restrictions like the James Melton but many were much earlier. I have about 70 disks. I only showed a few. Many are the heavier single sided disks which are well before 1925. I am going by the copyright date on the disk. If it says copyright 1906 I have to assume that is when it was recorded. I am not about to research these old records as i am getting rid of them. I know the ones my grandmother left me are from the late 20s and 30s because they immigrated here in 1926 when my grandfather was laid off from Harland and Wolfe shipyards in Belfast. Yes he worked on the Titanic and the other white star line ships built in the early 19 teens.
@@commietube_censorship_sucks Come on guys let's not get into a shouting match over this stuff - either way this is fascinating and a genuine piece of history so let's all be nice about it eh? After all, being civil takes a lot less effort than arguing...
I don't think 78 rpm records had the date on them - I have several but none have an issue date
I had a Panasonic stereo like this did not sound half bad
You need to 3D print a 78 stylus... Sorry. That thing was doing well spinning up around 130, wonder how long the motor would last if you ran it that quick for long.
It would run a long time.
I have not read the previous posts, but old 78's was not recorded using RIAA and therefore the reproduction using modern equipment makes them sound different.
RIAA came around 1964-55 and is used for 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records. A chrystal needle (pick-up) is recommended as they "fill up" the groove, which modern styluses don''t.
If you are just about to listen to your old 78's I don't think you will need to do anything. But, otherwise you should try to make the cartridge "moniozed" and then disconnect the RIIA-converter. To get the best sound out of a 78 is close to rocket scinence as the groves are recorded different depending on the record label. Also the grove has diffent withs and then the speed could vary between high 60 rpm and way above 80 rpm.
There are lists on the net on the differences and it is so tiresome trying to chose the correct needles etc. Thankfully the modern era with vinyls and digital recordings make life easier - a little.
When it comes to copyright music is usually free it the composer has been dead for 70 years, but I don't know whay copyright regulations you have in Canada.
I am aware that they are not RIAA, but then neither is this ceramic cartridge pickup. The cartridge connects literally to the AUX input, the same one you would connect a CD player to. In fact the front panel switch selects the same amp input! They are parallel internal. That is the phono cartridge is connected to the AUX inputs. They will function as an output. For fun I should make a quick video on this. Yes I can connect this black plastic crap turntable to a real amplifier. Might just do that as I may be bored later today.
That was fun! I'll bet you didn't even need to jumper the resistor.
You did see the part where it went up to 52 RPM or was that a point that you skipped ahead? Its at 3:40 FYI. If you saw that then you would know that the resistor needed to go.
@@12voltvids Gotcha, thanks. I guess the suspense was killing me and I skipped ahead. :)
very little surface noise shows they may not had steel needle stylus playing them
the big thick records are for a victrola
His Master's Voice == HMV
I had no idea. I used to make regular stops at the one here in Halifax before they all dried up :(
110.000 subs... Wow
How nice it is to have an audience like his 🌟☺️
@@FIXDIY It is, and it is even nicer to have the viewers, because without the viewers I wouldn't have a channel. So thanks goes out to the viewers.
@@12voltvids You are right, I wish you more success
If the record is from 1913, is it still possible to get a copyright strike? Current time limit is 95 years from publication?
Well that answers that. Maybe write strongly-worded legal threat to the supposed copyright holder would result in a big fat legal settlement check? Turn their own game against them.
The recording may be from 1913, but based on that album art, it's clearly an early 1950s issue.
@21:00 - $3 in 1910 - is $85 today - sounds about right , have you seen the price of some new albums on wax?? LOL
I'm scared to ask.
@@12voltvids sqeaks probably 500 dollars
When I saw the title I thought you want to ged rid of your old records 😃
I will be selling them to collectors. Anything i like I will digitize. I have about 300 to go through. Not all are 78, many are LP.
piece of shit turns to amazing functionality - thanks for your efforts - I have learned much
It sure does and live out for recording will be added. Should i do a video of that mod?
@@12voltvids do it!
Now thats what I call innovation!
The paranoia of copyright is also amazing. One of the reasons why youtube sucks... people playing shit music in fear of copyright.
If I didn't monetize my videos i wouldn't care. But then again if I didn't make anything on the videos i wouldn't be doing this. Unfortunately some people just don't get this. It is not paranoia, if you use someone else's content you are stealing and the content owner has every right to claim any revenue their music makes. That is why we use royalty free music. Sorry if you have the inability to understand this.
Average of $3.00 for one song. At that rate CDs with 15 tracks would be $45. And many people complain that CDs were to expensive at $15.
If you take into account inflation, that’s over $1200 per CD
There are companies that are buying up the rights of all these old recordings.
They are not necessarily in the music business but more about money and getting revenue from copyright.
There's a term in the law like "use it or lose it", which means something like: the owner of the copyright of the music must provide fresh copies to the public on modern media for reasonable prices, or the copyrights will not be granted.
From recordingcopyright.org/faq.html :
"The international record companies are fighting to extend copyright everywhere, to increase their monopoly control for up to 95 years-even though in most cases they won’t use it. They suffered a severe setback when the U.K. refused to extend its 50-year term in 2006. Most scholars and economists oppose term extension, and extensive studies have shown that it will cost the public money while not benefiting musicians, however politicians have largely ignored these studies and backed the companies. The companies next tried to push through a 95 year copyright term throughout the European Union, but again there was a furious backlash. Eventually a compromise was reached in which the term was extended from 50 to 70 years, but with significant conditions. The companies get the extra 20 years only for recordings that they keep in print ("use it or lose it"), there is no retroactivity (everything made prior to the early 1960s stays in the public domain), and they have to start paying backing musicians, not just the "stars," no matter what the original contracts said. Separately, the European Union has also enacted legislation allowing the use of "orphan works." The Europeans realize how badly the U.S. model has turned out and that extending absolute monopoly control for a century does not make sense."
I thought "His Masters Voice" was owned by Victrola/RCA. That looks like "Nipper". Maybe in England it was different.
You're right. In England, the label was "His Master's Voice", named after the original painting. It was owned by Victor/RCA. They used that up into the 1950's.
you need a 3mil stylus they are available
It sounds ok. I do have a vintage Philips real record player with a 3m flip over stylus
its unreal that any of these still have copyright
greed is endless..
No. Those are crappy for 78s. No pressure adjustment which those are insufficient. 78s need more counterweight (I do mine at 5.5g) and a direct drive motor turntable (old Gemini PT2000).
They actually sound great. Almost as good as my old Philips mono record player with tube amp.
Copyright in Canada lasts 50 years after the artist has died. Since Sinatra died less than 50 years ago, I’m betting that one did it ;)
No, it was the French soprano singer. From 1916!
@@12voltvids Wow! That makes no sense - typical CZcams !
@@claytonmoore9530 CZcams only makes matches based on what copyright holders send them as sample files. So someone at WMG and the other record companies sent them the samples.
$2 in 1916 = $50 today! (US inflation calculator)
Hmmm, no wonder new vinyl costs 120.00 today. Yes, my brain dead 21 year old has new shitty vinyl that he pays like 100 to 120 for a silly record. When I was collecting vinyl back in the late 70's and very early 80's (bought a CD player in 83 and never bought another vinyl after than) I remember going to the recoed store and walking out of the record was more than 5.00. I would wait a few weeks till it was no longer on the top 10 and the price would drop. I proudly stuck the price sticker to the jacket of the album.
Police Regatta De Blanc 1.99, Ghost in the Machine 2.99, 38 special 2.99, Frampton comes alive 2.99, Eagles Hotel California 3.99. Those were the days.
@@12voltvids that’s nuts….100 bucks for a record….I hope hes not playing them on a you know what ;) (crosley)
@@12voltvids Yes correct and unless that $120 record was recorded in Analog then it kind of negates it's purpose. Some companies re-issue all analog recordings, but pressed on high quality vinyl.....one such operation, owned by Chad Kassem, is Acoustic Sounds, Inc
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Why would anyone record in analog? If my favorite performer released a new recording and they did it in analog i would skip it. High resolution digital is so superior to any analog recording. Shit even standard 44.1 16b is superior. I have compared all kinds of different recordings on sound systems costing far in excess to anything I will ever own. I was at a client's home and he had a system that he claimed was close to 500,000. If you saw it you would understand. The speakers were 125000 by themself. He put on Dave grusin mountain dance. He had the LP and cd. This was a live in the studio recording no overdubs. Recorded direct to disk and direct to soundstream 2 track digital tape for the cd. He was playing it on a turntable that he said the tone arm and cartridge was just under 40 grand. I stood in his living room and he played both. The LP sounded very good. The cd put the LP to shame. Couldn't tell you the speakers but they were these huge round horns that were about 6 feet in diameter and the back stuck out about 5 feet. They wouldn't fit in my living room. All I can say is I have never heard anything like it in my life. The cd you could place where the musicians were in the studio. It was literally a 3 dimential sound. If you heard it you would feel the same way about vinyl I do. Limited. Cd releases of shitty 80s rock and pop did the format a disservice because the engineers didn't do a cd mix from the session tapes. They worked with the tapes that were already a few generations down and mixes for the limitations of vinyl and cassette. No point arguing about how cassette or vinyl sounds compared to cd unless you have had a proper listen with good source material on a good system. Even on my system cd blows away any analog source.
@@12voltvids Believe it or not there is a small contingent of All Analog recording studios doing business today. (The majority of the studios use PCM or DSD digital to record tho) The Acoustic Sounds vinyl is interesting because he is known for re-mastering archives of existing analog tapes, of major artist’s, then pressing Ultra high quality vinyl. (The UHQR do sound very good!….I only have a few because they are very pricey). Yea I would never go crazy with my Audio system (Like to buy hi quality second hand gear and refurbish it as required) My system never will go beyond the 10K mark, at any one time, tho I do buy/sell quite a bit. Like the gentlemen you described, people can get very carried away with their system’s for probably only a few percent greater performance/enjoyment points than a carefully orchestrated collection of hi-end second hand gear. Was able to do the factory tour at PS Audio in 2019 and this included spending about half an hour alone in Audio room One (with Arnie Nudell’s magnum opus speakers: Infinity IRS V’s) Amazing sound! The turntable wasn’t hooked up that day so I just streamed on the Ipad. As for Records V CD’s…...yea I prefer vinyl myself (tho do have a nice Krell CD-300 I use). ...I know the specs show digital to be far superior in noise levels, distortion, and dynamic range etc…..but digital just lacks a sense of spatial imaging, depth, and a deeper sense of rhythm that a well recorded/pressed vinyl can deliver to my ears. I would compare it to riding a motorcycle…..why would someone want to ride around town on a loud, noisy, 2-wheeled vehicle….feeling every bump in the road, wind blowing in your face etc. when you can drive in a nice quiet air-conditioned car protected from the elements? Well because you have a different connection with the road and nature while riding a motorcycle than a car….and well it’s just cool! :)
All I Take Is Classic Country.
And I thought this video would be about getting rid of the crappy old black vinyl records that are completely useless now days.
Thats the way I feel about vinyl records. These heavy schellac records are being sold to a collector.
@@12voltvids - LOL I didn't realise they were 78's until I started viewing.
I don't understand the recent obsession with vinyl records... we were SO excited to finally be rid of them once the CD came in. No way the vinyl ever sounded better than CD, however I guess that audiofools can convince themselves of almost anything! A warm sound (does that mean no treble?) can easily be created with a graphic equalizer, or even just the Bass and Treble controls.
@@johncoops6897 I feel the same way. I guess they are brainwashed. I keep hearing that they like the physical media and holding it in their hand. Hello, cd is physical that you can pick up. And takes much less space to store.
You should hacksaw the turntable off and make it standalone.
No need. this same basic mechanism is used in many cheap modern turntables.
@@xaenon i was half joking...but id seriuosly hack it off and glue a cardboard base on.
06:41 - 😂😂 Kinda expected this to happen.
It's a bit hard to believe these records aren't public domain yet, they should be. Nobody releases these anymore, wtf??
18:19 - Yea, this is what I'm talking' about. Just WTF?? Why copyright bug goo records yet?? Literally, everyone who worked on making these are *long dead* .
If that album is from 1913 it's in quite unbelievable condition. They've been well kept and will increase in value with time. Take care: they're really fragile in more ways than one!
You need use special packaging methods when posting them and even then you're never sure they'll get there safe. The needle used can also damage them during playback. I believe the problem is some modern 78rmp needles have a stylus that's too small and gets pretty much way down at the bottom part of the groove, scraping its sides. Gotta remember that modern needles have diamond tip which is a lot harder than 78rpms can take.
You're quite lucky to get such a collection but shellac disks need proper storage conditions and take a lot of space. Lot's of people don't know they're quite valuable and just throw them away which is very unfortunate as a lot of rare recordings, especially by the early greatest artists of the 20rh century only exist in shellac.
I'm pretty sure theses are valuable. Most were tossed out eons ago.
Please get a mono needle before you play any more 78s!
If one can be found in will change it.
You Should Have left it at 120 there first played a Record see what it Sounded like then Crank it back down. That would been funny there.
Then someone would have complained that he wasn't taking good care of his records lol.
@@marka1986 Well he could of used some thing that wasn't worth much as i'm sure there is some wheres, i know when we were kids we used to do that, and also play them in reverse to see if any hidden messages.
@@randymoyer5351 My Beatles records were all played in reverse.
"Turn me on deadman" from Revolution 9, "I buried Paul" from Strawberry fields. Lots of messages in that mess that was revolution #9 from the white album.
CZcams would copyright claim a fart, if they could.
CZcams doesn't copyright a thing. They match content to 3rd party claimants. If someone uploads a copy or a portion of one of my videos I am notified and i can have the offending video taken down. If it is a big channel with lots of views I can claim the money generated.
@@12voltvids yeah, I should have put it that way.