Osho Sannyasin Challenges Vishrant on Enlightenment in Live Satsang
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- A lively exchange between Vishrant and an Osho sannyasin who challenges him on enlightenment in a live Satsang.
This is a riveting conversation between a spiritual master and a courageous challenger. Watch this public display of surrender, acceptance and openness while under fire.
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The fact that you posted this satsang means a lot to us. Thank you Visrant. ❤
He is so busy trying to worry about who is enlightened yet he himself has no light he is judging. What difference does it makes Vishrant has brought me closer to. My true me
Brother Jon !!
How will you get to know that
Someone is enlightened or not!!
It's difficult to know unless you are enlightened!!
Dear friend don't worry about others.
Your love for Osho is great
We all are one
We're not different.
Let's live in love!!
😊😊🙏🙏
Let's live in Love 🥰 😍 ❤
Beautiful 🙏
Be your own man. Not someone else’s. That was my ascertainment of OSHO teaching.
I admire your patience with this Osho sannyassin (who by the way couldn't surrender enough to adopt a sannyas name...) Saying he has been watching you carefully (two videos!), not recognising your clear love for Osho, while he himself has never sat in the physical presence of Osho... well I have slight doubts about Mr. Jon....But I liked the vid anyway, always good to be challenged...
You can actually feel and tell whom is actually the enlightened being here. Wow.
I'm going through a spiritual awakening process. When I talked to Vishrant, I felt his total presence even through Zoom, an incredible high vibe feeling in my body.
I watched this the other day, I know there was lots of light-heartedness, humor, and banter. I often watch your videos but I hardly comment. Thanks for sharing this. Not sure If I can articulate this properly but it was like the texture of this video seemed different. It's not so much about what was said or the situation itself, just a type of density and longing is maybe the best way I could describe what I was perceiving. Not sure if I'm making sense. My best wishes to him 🙏
A beautiful gentle smile and love in the eyes says it all.. 😊
As someone who's been initiated by Sadhguru into Shambhavi Mahamudra Kriya, Sadhguru has an energy field which is quite intense. I have attended his live satsangs online and one in person and I felt very emotional when I saw him smile... the intensity made me cry like a baby(not out of sadness or bliss). I have felt that feeling before and there were times when I thought of him. A guru doesn't have to act in any particular way. Hence, Sadhguru does dodge questions sometimes questioners try to trap him. Unless there's a guru has committed a serious crime, you don't know if they are fake for sure. With me, Sadhguru is quite strict through his presence but also gentle when need be. As Sadhguru says, "Drop all your conclusions." It is because of Sadhguru I learned to respect masters of all kinds. Otherwise, I would have concluded Osho as a fake. I used to think Sadhguru was a fake too, because he told people to drop all our belief systems.
Without a living master no method, howsoever beautiful it is, works. In fact it is the master, his presence, that is real thing, not the methods. With an alive master everything works; with a dead master nothing works. Let it be settled forever in your consciousness.
That's why beautiful methods later on are found to be bogus. It is not the methods, it is the master, it is the man behind them, it is the golden touch, the magical touch of the master, it is his charisma that works.
-OSHO,
Talks on Ko Hsuan's,
The Classics of Purity,
Tao The Golden Gate,
Chap. 2, Existence is creativity.
Mountains is calling...reminder....family..............
To be honest, this was the most interesting interaction that I've seen in the Satsang. But I think Jon could have been more polite while talking to Vishrant. Disagreeing with someone is okay, but you don't have to disrespect them.
I love osho and I respect Vishrant, we call know whether John was disrespecting Vishrant or not.
osho, the master of masters himself talked straight about the truth.
We can atleast expect this much straightforwardness from OSHO's lover.
We need a part 2
Thank you Jon.
OSHO: Find A Living Master - Don’t Cling To That Which Is No More
Search and you will always find, because the earth is not barren, it is always produces. Whoever is thirsty will find the well somewhere.
Rather than getting lost into words, use your time in finding a charismatic personality, a living mystery, a man who has become a legend while he is alive. And when he is gone, be grateful for those moments that you lived with him. Be grateful for all that you have learned from him but don’t get stuck there. Find out, and now it will be easier for you to find out because you have tasted one mystic, you know the taste, you know the vibe. You will be easily pulled towards the direction where you will find another awakened being. Only bodies differ, the experience of awakening is the same.
So I don’t want anybody to remember me, even when I am gone. If you really love me, I would like you to find someone of the same quality, so that your love goes on growing, your being goes on maturing, so that one day you are also in a state where you can help thirsty people to quench their thirst.
Osho Volume XIII Six Page 51-52, taken from The Sword and the Lotus, Chapter 2
[****************] Just taking a paragraph from Osho, shows what? Is Osho to be understood in paragraphs ?
@@comuniunecuosho-campulbudi7611 Osho is saying when I die, go and find some of the same quality, someone awake. Don’t remember me. That is not what Jon is doing. He is doing the opposite. Clinging to a dead master.
@@speeros82 You are "understanding" Osho from fragments. You seem to be very unfamiliar with Osho and His teaching. Authentic seekers should already know that Osho is not to be understood through such quotes, or through quotes.
@@comuniunecuosho-campulbudi7611 how does that match up with Jon wanting us to watch Osho videos at Satsang? Listen to his words but do not live by them?
@@garylack5700 You're entering a mysterious domain here, and asking a question that only shows you have not watched Osho's videos. First watch few dozens and you'll see that this question actually is wrong. It appears to make sense, when in fact it does not. What do you know about Osho's words? People who quote Osho's words, what do they know about Osho's words?
I appreciate your fullest possession 🙏 Jon, what you like to listen about you.
You are amazing and your point is very clear. Love 💖 to you and all beloved friends ❤️
Funny video! 🤪 I am just here, to say that I have been also a younger Osho sannyasin, who never actually met to Him (I born in 1989). And I was also a little bit like Jon, I thought Osho is the best and I should care basically about Him.
But even though I pushed my limits in meditating more (and also watching, translating His videos) and more, things got literally worse and worse 😅. And I read from Him that one also has to drop meditation techniques at one point.
And I felt to do that. And the same time I felt to meet a living person, who owns THAT. A living Osho.
And I found Him. He is not a superstar like Osho, but He made me to got the point and He has an ingenious way of 'teaching'.💚
I do not know if it is a must, but I am sure it is a highly recommended thing to be under the wings of somebody who is already mastering awakening! 💜
Osho might have been one of the most genious awakened people of our times, but I my own experience, is that no dead awakened master can worth more than a living one. I am 100% agree with Vishrant on this! 💙🤗
Greetings to Vishrant and Jon as well! 💚❤️
Can only imagine Osho's handling of a guy like this challenging him in this manner. Now that would be fun but such is the life of a Spiritual teacher Bringing deluded to awakening is a difficult task..
Guruji vishranth handled this guy with much patience and compassion
Tq guruji. Such intruders exists in many spiritual satsangs.
He didn't strike back in any way. Very good to witness as a Vishrant Sannyasin it makes me very happy with my decision 😀
How can water intrude on the ocean?
First time viewer and first time listening to mr vishranti (from perth Australia).
The guest (jon) seems slightly _offensive_ (questioning mode) but.... _burning out someone else's candle does not make your candle any brighter_ (hannibal George peppard the 1983 A-team episode). Keep sharing. :)
Vishrant has his own way of communicating the profound truth which started from being in Osho’s presence. I don’t see this as being fake or inauthentic but just another path. If it resonates with others and helps them I don’t see a problem. John is entitled to his opinion and his path too. However, it is better to have a living Teacher who can deal with individual situations and the current state of the world.
Like Osho said:
There is no GOAL.
Its not about EGO, not about being or following the most ultimative master.
Doubt is good.
One has to go a/the way.
Otherwise you miss LIFE by judging (yourself, other).
I am amazed at both.
That was interesting and firey.
I really enjoyed that.
Jon, someone gave me some good advice once. They said it’s okay to promote your own views without the need to knock on others. In other words, start your own channel and be the biggest Osho promoter on the planet. Live stream his lectures all day long. Focus on yourself and the message you want others to connect with. You don’t have to bash someone else’s channel in order to promote your own. I’ve watched Vishrant’s videos for over a decade and I feel he’s added great value to my life. You gave him two episodes before you formed your very strong opinion. Relax man! Focus on yourself and your path. We’re all okay out here. Everyone has the right to gravitate to whoever they want.
Blinky Boo, you replied here but your comment is gone. Can you re-comment ?
Yep :) I love Osho and love is a natural phenomenon. Or, as Samdarshi once said to me, consciousness gravitating towards consciousness. By itself, so to speak. But had anyone ever tried to convince me of Osho and told me what I SHOULD do or not do, or pushed me in any way, told me who to be interested in or what to believe, I would have run away for sure. Osho is a freedom bird and never forced anyone into anything. He graciously accepted people coming to him - and never prevented anyone from leaving him. That's why I lingered on and that is why I hang around my present teacher. No ties. Meaning full responsibility. That's why, dear Jon, I am doubtful whether you are doing yourself or Osho or anyone else much of a favor 😀 except for the entertainment of course. Osho was not really a friend of missionaries either - he made fun of them 😀. So in my view there is a misunderstanding on your part. What does it matter whether Vishrant is a fraud or not? Maybe he is a fraud; who knows. There are so many fraud teachers on the planet. No need to get involved. Let them be 😇 and turn towards yourself ... that is the only place where change can happen 😀🙃
Much love
Gyandip
@@gabrieleschulze7627 typical misunderstandings. I've been seeing these great "understandings" for so many years, - almost every day one can come across these great "understandings" - that I am bored. Unless you put something at stake I won't even answer on the subject. Something really expensive and painful - a big stake is needed, so that you'll feel it when you lose. Otherwise, just chatting, talking, is easy. Are you really involved , is this subject a matter of life and death for you? If you're right then get into the discussion till the very end, and for that you must first say what you're going to put at stake. Otherwise, I know usually people with these misunderstandings (which to them look like great wisdom), they contradict you (by telling you "hey why do you contradict others") then run away like cowards. Just cheap cowardliness.
@@comuniunecuosho-campulbudi7611 Your tenor is quite aggressive, isn't it?
there are many Osho "free birds" out there who love Osho so much - IN THEORY - , that they don't even feel they are Osho's disciples. They feel they are free birds, not disciples. What is the difference between devotion and idol worship? Idol worship is when you like Osho's ideas, which are actually your own ideas, projected. Misunderstanding and twisting. You're not interested in the being of the master, you're interested in ideas. Intellectual "love". An idol worshipper is not thirsty to dissolve into the master.
I understand you Jon, I have been through this. But this is mind, just sit beside a master, without rationalize so much, and the grass grows by itself. It is impossible to deny, even if it takes some satsangs, when you open a little bit, you will understand and you will burn your books, you will stop watching those videos, you will stop holding on this attachment to enlightment. Osho is alive, by the presence, presence Jon, just sit
Enlightenment is not so cheap
It costs everything ❤️🙏
@@vishrant oh yeah Annihilation 😮
I am very "smart" and on my knies (down, and 50% enlightened) at the same time.
To watch Jon talking with you,
touches me so brutal, that i have to do many pauses consuming it.
It remembers me to what happened to YOU as a young man visiting Osho, and being allowed to ask Osho question.
Even it is only a video and such a long time ago, I could feel !!!!! how hitten by a spark you was.
You and Jon should became friends.
If he is not rich enough for the flight, help him.
I am also struggling big time.
Knowing enough to teach...and not enough to how the heck i do the next 60minutes....
All the best...to all people who understand that without awakening work...we are DONE.
As a seeker I just keep putting one step in front of another in my practice. How does one “know” they’re 50% “there” already?
@@aaliyah1089 hello Aaliyah. Thank you for answering/comment.
Well, there would be so much to tell. (about the 50% "thing")
Since i was about 6 i had a sort of gift. Seeing behind things, so called "grown ups" behaviour, wanting to understand physics, space and time. Kind of an old knowing soul.
So now, 56, i'm not much surprised by anything; see the helpless struggling of human beings, no matter how pur, rich, "important"..they are.
The outcome is mostly thin beside materialistic and power "games".
50% enlightened...because, its hard to see and feel everything, and not getting sad or crazy...
Maybe Jon can be a regular on zoom before being gifted a free flight ✈ 🤣
You yourself could try being a regular at satsang, maybe get past the 50% mark you talk about 🤔
Bless you 🙏
@@gerrittenberkdeboer7763 EIther you know or you don't know, there's nothing as 50% knowing. It is stupid to say 50% enlightened, maybe you had some experiences in your meditation which gives you hints of your advancement and I appreciate that and your journey. But if you start claiming yourself 50% enlightened, then you are in the same ego trip.
Uuuhaaaa.... Breath
'Enlightened' is the joke Osho often talked about.
Perhaps it was not a joke. Maybe it exists.
What ever the case is, it helps us to be enlightened too.
Buddha and Osho suggests watching the breath going in and out as a way of watching our emotions and thoughts going through the mind.
And the timeless universe is here right now.
Love Paritosh.
I think more what Jon was saying was Osho gave or delivered a much more deeper / profound / different message than Vishrant , Sad guru, Echart Tolle, or even Rupert Spira, ,,the later ones appear to be pointing to presence or emptiness in the moment, where as Osho made even more profound observations when he achieved his state of beingness
Really enjoyed this, very much. It carried me right back into the budda field ❤
A question dropped into my mind while watching this again, this man suggests to show osho videos and refer everyone to osho.
The logic alown of this is very conflicted for osho back when he was alive, He would have had to constantly been referring all his disciples to his master. and his master would then have had to do the same so on so on back to who?
Back to Buddha?
Which the field is very much present here.
Also he says I have been feeling you or feeling into you.
It feels to me like all this man has felt here is frustration
We are all buddhas
At least we had a good laugh !!!😅🤣😂
So full of opinion and judgement. I wish him able to let go of these burdens.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 that was a really good laugh for me
Jon is correct.
You can see his presence in his eyes, you can’t with the other guy.
Osho was always two-sided. Osho is alive for those that are ready.... Vishrant this one is for you!
"If a disciple is ready, even a dead master can be alive. If the disciple is not ready, then even a living master cannot do anything. It all depends on the disciple.”
- Osho (From The False To The Truth, Chapter 1, The Joy Comes from Finding)
Osho also said if he died it would be best to find a living master❤️🙏
but you aren't a master. You are a lover of Osho with a very beautiful energy and so much of the path you've clearly travelled. But you haven't took that final death walk yet. There's a cutting difference in people once they have. Your pain in Jon's message to you is visible in your face, it was truth... it was your ego that responded, it is the Universe speaking to you @@vishrant you are still yet to walk the last bits of the path in your Meditation and take the final leaps, remember there are 4 stages... don't stop at the Satori 2, peace! Just because it is peaceful.... you are farther ahead than so many but it is not done... to be true master you must keep going and become one with God entirely.
@@thebodyclock1 where are you on the path…? You seem to have a lot of knowledge but I’m curious about your actual experience🙏🏼
@@aaliyah1089 i have no idea. Theres moments where I feel close to that death of the self. But really I think I'm still so far away. Theres moments of disassociation coming a lot lately. I definitely need a real master soon. I meditate sometimes so deep I don't come back for hours. But my daily life is very meditative. All of society seems to be getting more snd more strange. I really don't know how to describe it. I go back and forth a lot. Its like being warped.
@@thebodyclock1 thank you for sharing….♥️
Lots of love 😊
Mr. Jhon... there is Sashi Vasudev in India who is calling himself Osho, you discuss with him online...
when buddha died, one disciple followed strictly to what he heared the buddha say. another disciple did the same, but buddha has said the exact opposite to him. in that way many arguments happened and different sects have been formed. now after oshos death it happens again. relax Jon, don‘t make osho a religion.
It isn't a game, there no winners, there no goals, Osho is dead all that remains is Buddha's teachings!!
"When the Buddha listed the duties of teachers to their students, the final and most prominent item on the list was this: that the teacher provides the student with Protection in all directions." ( How to recognize a good teacher , on youtube)
what even is an osho? Events are like water, the essence of which is life eternal.
Great video.
Sorry I don't get his guy. Didn't watch all the video. The real question isn't whether something (a teaching etc) is 'right' or 'wrong' but is it useful? Does it help me develop more spiritually? Minds just go round and round in circles. "And the grass grows all by itself". Etc etc. Thank you for taking the time to make the video. I'm Swami Anand Khoji.
I hold four public Satsangs a week, come and talk to me 🙏❤️
@@vishrant Hi Vishrant. Thank you very much for your kind offer. At the moment I am very busy coding an Android app for life coaching. I need to get this done so I can get venture capital. So maybe do satsang when this is done. Namaste.
Please show some sign of enlightenment vikrant... some words of wisdom... dont just sit there and act patient... thats easy even I can say I am enlightened that way.
The only sign of enlightenment is a buddha field. It is there if you tune in to the energy, and don’t get caught on the words or mannerisms. 🙏❤️
@@FactsandReelsForall Have you been to any of Vishrant’s satsangs and spoken with him?
❤️❤️
💔😔
im really wondering about your reaction vishrant.. mostly aah whilst you have given some answers - he laid much opportunities :DD and i know you are enlightened how cant u after that conversation with him. He enjoyed yourself
i mean yours back then in the interview
when u are reading this vishrant, maybe it would be a nice idea to consult him? i dont know how much money u got but it should be possible to organize bringing him to you right? Show him. So you show some courage and do the good thing for the day :D
that may will do some more things aswell, like a gearwheel that comes in rotation
Come to live Satsang’s and talk to me, I don’t do texting❤️🙏🏻
oh im excited to do. thanks for the invitation 🙏but i will have to do some necessary work before. when i will do, i want to be clear ⚪@@vishrant
This gentleman questioning Vishrant is making a very classical mistake: language is a two-dimensional way of talking about a tridimensional phenomenon - awakening. Apparent contradictions are unavoidable when doing that. Also, a fellow human being who has an ego that big, to the point of using a Satsang for personal attacks... I mean... Yeah.
What's interesting to me is that Vishrant seems triggered by this guy... face changes color and all... so much for "not being there"...
Hmmm….I didn’t see that Vishrant was triggered. I saw openness to what Jon was saying.
I was triggered…the guy is a moron
Why
A seeker or an awakened person doesn’t waste time judging another and calling him names
Just dumb
Vishrant kicked a in his calmness
Me…I’m still learning
@@betsyzimmerman5837 You are a observer?!:))))Vishrant 🙏is a fake and he dosen.t care...🧐
You have created an image of what enlightened people look/act like, just like people can get scared when something unexpected happens, people can also get triggered when an unexpected confrontation happens. Being enlightened doesn't mean one literally disappears and stops behaving like a human, it just means you become aware of your nature.
I'm not saying that he is or isn't enlightened, I'm just saying that there's no need to expect people to act or feel a certain way, you'll never be satisfied living like this.
Betsy Zimmerman edit or repost your comment, change the wording , and don't put links, because youtube has hidden your comment and we can't see what you said. (a way to check is to open a new private window in the browser and make sure that the comment is visible to everyone)
Jon dude, why are you so angry when you could be enlightened?
John is obviously not enlightened himself. Enlightened people don’t have hate or mistrust and only light sees light. I will not invite him. I can’t see how he will turn around.
I am very touched by your totally non reactive response Vishrant. And John, I would like to offer that you become more aware of the thoughts that are in your head that you think are Vishrant. As far as I can see you what you are sharing has nothing to do with Osho. And nothing to do with Vishrant. It is only your projections and interpretations. Please bring awareness and don't use Osho to make another fundamentalist religion.
Those laughing womans sounds a bit irritating not in place and not in time. Like osho devotees in his time or other sectarians. But respect for Vishrant, he managed quite well this agressive guy
That 'Jon' from Eastern Europe... he's more like a Q Anon Maga fanatic.
😂
Well, Osho's not dead, only his physical body is dead. When somebody becomes enlightened, he will become the part of the cosmos and not remain an individual, and this statement of you seems very superficial to me. It seems you just misinterpreted Osho's teachings and you are simply sharing your own misinterpreted messages to the world.
Yes, Osho said that you can go to other real gurus and be in touch with their energies, but he never said to leave a guru simply because he is dead. He said to continue his work, continue to meditate, and in that silence, you will get the inner guidance from the guru himself. And, he even said if a disciple is really in tune with me, I can even communicate with him when he talked about the "mala" as a device to communicate with Osho even after his death. Even after his death, they are always available if the disciple is really receptive. EVERY ENLIGHTENED BEINGS ARE AS AVAILABLE AS THEY WERE IN PAST TO THE REAL SEEKERS OF TRUTH.
And what surprised me is, you couldn't even give him a good reply. All you did was, dodge the question. If somebody had said the same thing to Osho, he would be like a fire and so humorous at the same time making the questioner's ego shattered into pieces. He really was the guru who shattered egos with his truth.
I AM OSHO!!!… lol
Lmao what is this