How To Scream Like Dickie Allen
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Here's my approach to Dickie Allen's unique scream. Keep in mind that I am not a vocal coach and that he might be using other techniques to achieve his sound. With that in mind I hope this tutorial helps and gives you new sounds to add into your own songs!
By the way I'm the screamer for the band Unworthy Humanity, if you want you can check us out (you might like it idk)! :)
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what i love about metal vocals is that there is no wrong sound
i always felt bad about my clean singing cause it was so nasally but with metal its about finding all the sounds and just using them intentionally!
Reeeeeeeally helpful, I woulda never figured out there's so much nasal on the lows on my own lmao
You are very talented in vocals, i started doing vocals about a year ago and i kinda got the highs already but i struggled with the lows but now i realized he uses a lot of nasal tone thanks to this video.
Bro I’m the same way I started during March of this year and got highs almost immediately but I’ve always struggled with lows sometimes it would be too breathy or it just wouldn’t be low enough
im struggling with highs but my lows are pretty good.
same bruh ive always been good at the highs cuz i started w black metal😂
Awesome series my guy, as some people already said, ur tone is pretty good and it seems like your vocals come out of you pretty effortlessly, would be pretty interesting to see tutorial on your approach to harsh vocals in general.
I will definitely release some basic tutorials on how to build your scream! ;)
I literally have little to no issues doing dickie highs, but I'll have tons when doing any sort of lows.
I agree. Highs feel so much easier and less straining for me. It may be because I have a naturally higher voice for a guy, idk. But lows definitely take a lot more effort and practice
Practice lowering your pitch in your talking voice and hum for vocal warm ups also if you make your lips like a butthole shape it will make the sound lower try adding a tunnel throat technique for a little distortion too
Another interesting little detail about Dickie's dirty, gravel scrape sounding lows is that he uses his hand just under his nose to increase the nasal effect. The space between his thumb and index finger, he presses lightly against his nose to make it more nasally
Thierry I don't know if you plan to continue doing vocal teaching videos, but I would love to see more. It is amazing to me how easily to understand Dickie's technique appears to be now. I definetely want to try it and enhance it, as well as CJ's tunnel throat. I have problems with getting false lows. That is the most problematic part I have in my vox. I would be so grateful if you could record a video explaining how to do them properly, how to get into the position and stuff. You rock, dude!
4:35 its realy sound so cool like bulls growl
Dickie Allen is a Orc extra that never got used in LOTR.
Hey man I fucking love your tutorials. I was wondering if you could go over your base technique because I really love it and want to achieve that similar smooth tone you have when you do your lows and mids. I have a very throaty black metal style tone that isn’t necessarily bad but I want to switch over. If you could give me some advice or maybe do a tutorial on how you build up your screams that would be dope. Keep up the good work!💞
Thanks I appreciate it! I have some more basic tutorials planned out that are gonna cover tone, airflow and distortion placement 🤘
@@thierrypatenaude5680 fuck yea dude keep it up!
I absolutely nailed the high scream but the low one stumped me
Congrats sir, you've got my admiration. 👏🗿🚬
thanks really helpful
Nice nice! quick question, you know the traditional false chord high scream? The one that is much louder, but is much more "breathy/airy" and less "voicey" than dickie? [For example, The Red Shore - Valentines Day Massacre, etc.] so basically, to go from that to Dickie style, you add a little bit of "bugs bunny" voice through the nose and then dial back the intensity? Cuz it seems like it's more of a subtle push for this method, rather than a full dog bark/feel it in the chest shout, type of thing.
I would say that Dickie’s high scream is not as loud as the example you shared, it’s more nasal and takes less air than a low perhaps. It is true that it sounds like there is more voice in his scream, but let’s not confuse that with “adding his voice in his scream” which he doesn’t do, the placement of his high scream creates that effect and it is also the reason why tunnels work so well for him. The way you describe the bugs bunny process could actually work in my opinion, only if you shape your mouth so that the nasal overtones sound like a bugs bunny voice and not add your voice under the scream! but there will still be a lot of experimenting to do in order to locate the perfect distortion placement for your highs (because of the distortion being made so far from where it is normally produced for mids or lows) hope that helps :)
How loud are you actually doing these vocals? Nobody ever explains how loud they are actually doing these and I think alot of my issues are that I'm trying to do it louder than I should be
For my lows, it's about as loud as my normal speaking voice and obviously high screams are gonna be a little louder, but not that much. Yell screams are gonna be the loudest (if you don't count whistle screams) and they are gonna be as loud as a well projected singing note (chest or head voice). Hope that helps! :)
@@thierrypatenaude5680 I appreciate it! I've definitely been over projecting my voice, so that was actually super helpful
Different techniques have absolutely different levels. Old school false cord growls are extremely loud. Think old school death metal.
I personally hate quiet screams, they just don’t convince me. Same goes to fry screams. Dickies screams are quiet. Guys like Alex Terrible are loud AF and I love it. Idk how but projection reflects in the tone, and that’s why I’m not much into modern deathcore styles, most of them do sound like weird sounds to me, not like real screams and growls.
Why am I watching this video then? Well, CZcams recommendations :D
1:26 That's my problem, my distortion sounds nothing like that, it sounds more like a mix between a minecraft zombie and a clearing of the throat lol, whenever I try to get that kind of distortion, it hurts a little bit, and my throat feels sore
I know exactly what you mean! And it could be 2 things:
1. There’s a problem with the base of your scream.. usually when people have this issue it’s because they try to create a false folds scream with that kind of “cookie monster type of distortion”, it should not be the case at all. So if that’s your issue I would probably look over the basics and build a solid sound before testing out distortion placements, tunnels and other advanced techniques as such.
2. You’re trying to do a high scream where you usually do your mids and lows, again that is not where it should happen. Highs feel like a different technique on their own, the distortion is made pretty much in the nose or like in the soft pallet area so it’s a whole new “technique” to learn, develop and control
Tell me if that made any sense for you :)
@@thierrypatenaude5680 thanks for answering man, I'll try to go over the basics again, I achieved the "distorsion" by doing the exasperated sigh method, but idk, maybe there's something I'm missing
Hey can you explain about how to place the distortion?
Sure! I will talk about that in my next videos ;)
@@thierrypatenaude5680 nice!
Yeah this is something i also wondered about
The best way I have found to reach it is to stretch your entire body, kick back your head and let out a "Aaaaauuuugh." You'd have to play around with figuring out how to activate your false cords, I have no good way to explain that but there's plenty of folks out there with some super helpful videos on that too.
hoooooooly hell man. thank you very much!!! helped me soooooooooo much :)
Hey man whatsup, brazil here, thanks for the tip man, I will practice with them 🔥👊🏻
No problem, Albania here👊
Dickie Allen is a curious case of epiglottal fry (curling the epiglottis and slamming it against the arytenoid cartilage) mixed with regular false-cord screaming. Really disgusting stuff! Remember to use the least amount of air possible for the distortion
Do you you have a slam vocal tutorial
You have a nice vokal man wtf! I have seen your videos now and shitt man
You sound amazing man, but there is one problem with video. I thought Dickie’s vocals were also nasally but I purchased Will Ramos’ vocal course and he said he worked with Dickie and he actually plugs his nose when doing vocals, he’s just extremely good at utilizing his soft palette, which gives the goblin sound.
you can plug your nose and do a nasal scream at the same time! This will force the air through the nose and back through the mouth which will give it this “scraping rocks” sound, as Dickie describes it
I must have much less controls of my false cords than i think i do. never sounds that smooth, and I always figured Dicky (and travis ryan for his high nasal screech things) either did fry or some weird thing manipulating phlegm in the back of the throat with air pressure to make a sound. like not quite hacking up a loogie (which im pretty confident Travis does on occasion)
Hey, man! How u doin'?
What about a tutorial of Black Metal vocalists? Like Dead from Mayhem, Jef Whitehead from Leviathan, Nikklas Kvaforth from Shining (Within Deep Dark Chambers era), Andavald (Iceland). It would be great to be illuminated by you at this, so me and other guys can keep reaching New levels of extreme metal vocals. Cheers.
OK so this is confusing because you went straight to distortion without explaining how to do distortion
3:11 I'm not really sure what you said here. Is there something called False fold?
Currently I'm just pushing my False chord to my limits and try to make this sound but not sure if it's the right style. I've checked some fry screams but doesn't look like it is the one. Currently I'm just curious on how to learn 3:13 technic. If it is called False fold I would love to know how to do this :)
False folds screaming is just a more accurate way to say "false chords screaming", so if you're trying to learn false chord you're on the right path. It is important to note that at 3:13 I also added a tunnel throat over my false folds low scream! (tunnel throat is basically shaping the sound with your tongue and doesn't actually involve the throat itself like the name suggests)
@@thierrypatenaude5680 Alrighty, the only thing I'm kinda stuggling with is basically making different sounds. My tunnel throat sound kinda weird compared to Dickies. My base low is more like "Thy art is murder" so if it is possibe to kinda change different sounds with false chord would be awesome :D
@@hzfranke I have a tutorial about that on the way!
@@thierrypatenaude5680 Sounds awesome man, can't wait!
Can you do Trevor Strnad?
From what I hear, it sounds like he uses normal false folds lows (a bit throaty) and yells for the highs (there's a few tutorials online on how to do both of those things) :)
i cant do the distortion, like i just dont get it
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Dumb question. It doesnt hurt but i taste blood should i stop and wait a bit?
Is there blood?! Blood is never a good sign! If there is blood, but it doesn't hurt it might be because your vocal folds are not lubricated enough.. I would limit my practice time and drink around 8 bottles of water a day (which is strongly recommended for vocalists) to limit that problem.
I constantly tasted blood but never actually produced any, difference is that usually by that point I was in pain. I would wager you're likely causing harm, give it a full 24 hours and reset. And like Thierry said, be hydrating a lot!
@@huntersherman3537 if you tasted blood is because you started producing lactic acid which begins to be on your mouth when you are not getting enough oxygen, this happens on anaerobic activities
@@kifrixx This makes sense given that my breath control was subpar at best.
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Summary: it's still the basic mechanism of your current vocals from lows mids and highs but this time just keep warping the shape of your mouth.
yes + move around the distortion placement and you got it!
so it's using fry or false chord?
Super dope, wondering if you can do one on Guillaume Villeneuve from beyond Deviation. He has the most disgusting vocals I ever heard. I don’t know how he get those tea kettle highs and toilet bowl gutterals🤢
he's doing a lot of whistle screams and honestly he's one of the best. I'm only starting to do whistle screams correctly so I wouldn't be comfortable teaching this technique without knowing how to do it precisely and without risks. Once I gather enough info and experience, it will be on my channel! :)
I sort of got the lows I cant do highs though
It's normal don't worry. Highs and lows honestly feel like 2 totally different things, but if you keep practicing and if you keep trying to get up there in that higher "register" (not really a register, but I don't know any other words to describe it) you will get there in no time, no worries ;)
Thanks Thierry but unfortunately if you check me out you will know my voice is not low is that a problem
@@gmoney6829 No it's not! My voice isn't low either, your voice and your scream are two seperate things. I've heard guys with a very low voice hit ultra high screams and guys with a very high pitch voice hit stupid low screams. It's a matter of expanding your range and constantly working on what you're less good at until you own it :)
Okay thank man
Is it as loud as talking? Or louder? I used to scream in a band and it was loud but it was a different type of vocal style
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still cant do it
What does he mean by nasal
This is amazing but everything you call false fold is actually fry, awesome video though!
Hey man are you still replying to comments? I'm struggling so hard to get a fry scream but can't. I'm getting desperate and depressed. Any advice?
Ben Duerr of Shadow of intent, how does he get that deep meaty tone??
He's definitely on the list for future videos!
That's why I couldn't get the tunnel sound, it's a nasal sound!! I just switched to nasal and bam!! A bit of practice and I got it
@@JackDiamond21 very wide mouth.
Could you Do Jason Evans Or Ricardo Proença
I'm not really familiar with their work unfortunately :/
It will make a good shirt.. « keep it nasal »
i poop to warm up and engage my diaphram
Relatable
Euh... T'es français mec ???
J’viens du Quebec:)
@@thierrypatenaude5680 haaaaa, j'avais bien senti le côté frenchy au tout début, aux premiers mots... Excellent ! Tes vidéos m'ont fait comprendre bien des choses, elles sont capitales pour le bien des chanteurs et leurs progrès, merci infiniment pour ton partage, et tes explications, t'assures à fond. Juste en passant, je pense qu'un public t'accueillerais à bras ouvert sur des vidéos en français, CZcams et la France manquent cruellement de chanteurs avec un réel potentiel, et une richesse technique comme tu as. Ta chaîne est probablement ma meilleure découverte de l'année. Je te souhaite le meilleure et la réussite, ton niveau est monstrueux, avec les bonnes rencontres je pense que tu pourras largement te faire une place parmis les grands ! Peace ! Et prends soin de toi 🤘
@@florianwroblewski4499 Ton commentaire fais ma journée:) Ça me ferait plaisir de sortir quelques vidéos en français de temps en temps, ou juste tout simplement une version française de mes vidéos! J’suis content si mes vidéos ont pu t’aider de quelconque manière à éclaircir les techniques des chanteurs métals haha c’est jamais bien évident comment ils arrivent à faire ces sons là! Merci beaucoup 🥰🤘
@@thierrypatenaude5680 Alors premièrement, ce que j'ai dis, ça venait du coeur, et dans ce monde où presque tout est basé sur la chance, il est bon d'avoir du soutien, donc ce que j'ai dis était gratos et sincère. Ensuite pour ce qui est des vidéos en français, te prends pas la tête, et fais ce que tu as déjà fait en anglais, c'est un excellent matériel de base. J'ai dû regarder des vidéos du chanteur de Whitechapel pour comprendre l'effet, voix de la cave possédée, et ça m'a été d'une aide indispensable pour comprendre que la voix est un instrument dont le corps est la tête et le cou, mais pour ce qui est de CJ McMahon et de l'effet évier qui se débouche, ou pire encore avec Dickey et ses aigus ignobles, son goblinoïde, ou ses graves des enfers, là ouais il faut clairement des tutos parce que trouver ça par soi-même est de l'ordre de l'impossible voire même dangereux pour les cordes vocales, bien entendu j'aborde même pas le sujet d'Alex Terrible... J'ai appris seul en 2010, et je l'ai payé malheureusement, donc tes lumières dans ce domaine aideront, mais surtout, préserveront l'organe de bien des débutants ! C'est quasiment d'utilité publique ^^ Je suis content que mes mots t'ont fait plaisir encore une fois, merci pour ton oreille attentive, j'espère que tu perceras parce qu'encore une fois, t'as ta place parmi les grands 😉 Stay Brouuutol ! 🤘
666 subscribers and 666 likes... hmmm very satanteresting
You look like Jared Leto
I get that a lot haha