The splines end sharply where they stop machining the shafts so with time it start cracking at the sharp corners through metal fatigue if it was rounded it would not crack so fast. I did metal workers theorie in college thew years back. Thats why holes must be drilled and debured so no cracks start to form or when machined it must not stop in sharp edges.
hi geoff, glad to hear from you guys i have to admit i never drove sand dunes, but i heard its quiet a challenge, especially in a series, especially above 40s, so i just can imagine what kind of experience that is. axles suffer and snap due to abrupt torque changes, thats it. and thx god its the weakest part transmitting the power to the road, otherwise we would have serious issues with the gearbox or the transmission. main reason for abrupt torque changes are normaly abrupt changing road surfaces, especially differing from one side to the other. also could be not selecting 4wd in difficult terrain, so all the output goes just to the back drive train. but the biggest problem you mentioned is that some people have that funny idea that i have to push the car to its limit when sitting behind the wheel and wondering why things happen. they happen because you cant stop as quick as necessary when you passed the car limits and that doesnt sound like mecanicly sympathy at all, like changing 4th to 1st gear especially in offroad conditions. why someone want to do that that you disconnect the rear drive train is a good idea, but you dont move your car one inch before its disconnected, i am driving series now for 35years, never had a shaft broken. its a good, sound and solid car.
Well that’s an interesting video.Ido need to make a comment .I have owned 22 series Landrovers since 1966,series 2,2A,and 3. I suppose apart from a professional Landrover mechanic I would know as much as anyone about Landrovers,as I did all my mechanical work on all my Landrovers. As for engine transplants I did 3 Holden engines which were the total waist of time.Finaly fitting a falcon 250 alloy crossflow head engine in a series 3 lwb landy best conversion ever. Now in my series 2 and 2A I broke 6 axles I used to carry 2 axles a short and long behind the seats.We just used to pull the diff out I had a mild steel rod to punch the broken bit out of the diff as the rod bent slightly to go through the diff.So because u have a swb it has the Landrover diff as my series 3 had the Salisbury diff with the stronger axles also a couple of times we did just pull the broken axle out and just drove it home without any problems just made sure we thoroughly washed the diff out.
You are the number one Mechanic,my County has Elockers front and back so the broom stick method removing the axle isn't going to work,if you had of come and seen me 40 years ago when l was a war mongrul in the back of these army landies l could have taught you alot.
I remember driving my SIII in FWD after I removed the rear propshaft to change the UJs, the torque steer was fun on the road! X Eng/Foundry 4x4 still sell a multi-segment magnet on a stick tool for attempting to remove the remaining part of a shaft from the diff, not sure it's the kind of extra weight you would want in an overland vehicle though. if I was preparing an overland vehicle I would want a removable diff pan (my Disco has one with its KAM locker) and an air/electric locker on each axle so if I did bust an axle shaft I could get the broken part out along with the other rubbish and keep moving in 3 wheel drive.
I recently met a couple at a British car show in Fresno, who the year before, had missed the show due to a broken axle. They had just pulled out of the garage in their Series 3 and went to turn the corner at the end of the street when they heard a loud pop. It’s amazing how much abuse these things can take with no damage, and then all of a sudden, for little reason,bang ! Metal fatigue perhaps? Same goes for your back. Lol You can lift and pull, carry and twist with no problem. Then you lean over to pick up a news paper and your laid up for a week.
Top video as ever, must admit in over 30 years of owning and driving land rovers both in the military and civilian life I've only ever one half shaft break ,luckily enough when it did go I was only 500yards from my house.😢
Thanks for the video Geoff. I definitely agree that a lot of it has to do with driving styles! The Rover drivelines in the early series vehicles however were not very strong due to them being essentially adapted from Rover saloon cars. The Salisbury rear axle on LWB models helped a lot but on the whole the transmissions in these vehicles sadly were never in the class of Toyota or Nissan. It's a shame....
Series LRs have full-floating axles so a broken shaft can be removed. I am not too sure if that is possible on the Land Cruiser which I think has semi-floating rear axles. Regardless a broken half shaft sometimes jams the diff so to get the vehicle rolling one has to remove the shaft anyway.
Very good point and tip. Very surprised it was the short side. Apparently its the long one that mostly goes. Im thinking i need to get some spares to carry haha
Hi Geoff, It was fun meeting you at Cooma. Great episode as well. Love those stories, although I must admit that I thought that the series 3 had a Salisbury rear end and that breaking axles was a thing of older Landy’s. Was it only the long wheel base’s that had those? Cheers, Andy.
G'day Andy. It was great to meet you. Yes, you are right the LWB (109inch) Series 3 were fitted with the Salisbury but not the SWB (88inch). Cheers Geoff
Yawn, blah blah , dude, you did not snap an axle, you simply snapped a half shaft, different problem altogether ....when you get some experience driving off road you will learn that half shafts are consumable to a degree and learn to know the difference between an axle and a half shaft as if you call a chopper out to bring parts or radio on for spares etc you can wait a long time for an axle to be found and brought forward when a half shaft can be obtained easily and quickly. good job you are not in the military as you could end up dead not knowing what to ask for......dont die of ignorance.
The splines end sharply where they stop machining the shafts so with time it start cracking at the sharp corners through metal fatigue if it was rounded it would not crack so fast. I did metal workers theorie in college thew years back. Thats why holes must be drilled and debured so no cracks start to form or when machined it must not stop in sharp edges.
hi geoff, glad to hear from you guys
i have to admit i never drove sand dunes, but i heard its quiet a challenge, especially in a series, especially above 40s, so i just can imagine what kind of experience that is.
axles suffer and snap due to abrupt torque changes, thats it. and thx god its the weakest part transmitting the power to the road, otherwise we would have serious issues with the gearbox or the transmission.
main reason for abrupt torque changes are normaly abrupt changing road surfaces, especially differing from one side to the other.
also could be not selecting 4wd in difficult terrain, so all the output goes just to the back drive train.
but the biggest problem you mentioned is that some people have that funny idea that i have to push the car to its limit when sitting behind the wheel and wondering why things happen. they happen because you cant stop as quick as necessary when you passed the car limits and that doesnt sound like mecanicly sympathy at all, like changing 4th to 1st gear especially in offroad conditions. why someone want to do that
that you disconnect the rear drive train is a good idea, but you dont move your car one inch before its disconnected,
i am driving series now for 35years, never had a shaft broken. its a good, sound and solid car.
Well that’s an interesting video.Ido need to make a comment .I have owned 22 series Landrovers since 1966,series 2,2A,and 3.
I suppose apart from a professional Landrover mechanic I would know as much as anyone about Landrovers,as I did all my mechanical work on all my Landrovers.
As for engine transplants I did 3 Holden engines which were the total waist of time.Finaly fitting a falcon 250 alloy crossflow head engine in a series 3 lwb landy best conversion ever.
Now in my series 2 and 2A I broke 6 axles I used to carry 2 axles a short and long behind the seats.We just used to pull the diff out I had a mild steel rod to punch the broken bit out of the diff as the rod bent slightly to go through the diff.So because u have a swb it has the Landrover diff as my series 3 had the Salisbury diff with the stronger axles also a couple of times we did just pull the broken axle out and just drove it home without any problems just made sure we thoroughly washed the diff out.
You are the number one Mechanic,my County has Elockers front and back so the broom stick method removing the axle isn't going to work,if you had of come and seen me 40 years ago when l was a war mongrul in the back of these army landies l could have taught you alot.
I remember driving my SIII in FWD after I removed the rear propshaft to change the UJs, the torque steer was fun on the road! X Eng/Foundry 4x4 still sell a multi-segment magnet on a stick tool for attempting to remove the remaining part of a shaft from the diff, not sure it's the kind of extra weight you would want in an overland vehicle though.
if I was preparing an overland vehicle I would want a removable diff pan (my Disco has one with its KAM locker) and an air/electric locker on each axle so if I did bust an axle shaft I could get the broken part out along with the other rubbish and keep moving in 3 wheel drive.
This is why I use all terrains, the old saying is you can have too much grip, better spinning a wheel than breaking something.
It is never easy getting the right parts, no matter how much research we do. Glad to hear you got there in the end. Cheers Geoff
I recently met a couple at a British car show in Fresno, who the year before, had missed the show due to a broken axle. They had just pulled out of the garage in their Series 3 and went to turn the corner at the end of the street when they heard a loud pop.
It’s amazing how much abuse these things can take with no damage, and then all of a sudden, for little reason,bang ! Metal fatigue perhaps?
Same goes for your back. Lol
You can lift and pull, carry and twist with no problem. Then you lean over to pick up a news paper and your laid up for a week.
Top video as ever, must admit in over 30 years of owning and driving land rovers both in the military and civilian life I've only ever one half shaft break ,luckily enough when it did go I was only 500yards from my house.😢
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Same. Ronny Dahl, Sidetracked, here. Geoff is good. Subbed as well
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Many thanks Don, really appreciate t and great to hear you are enjoying the videos coming your way. Safe travels, Cheers Geoff
Awesome. Welcome to the world of Seriously Series. Cheers Geoff
Great video as always Geoff and some good tips .... look forward to the next...
Thanks for the video Geoff.
I definitely agree that a lot of it has to do with driving styles!
The Rover drivelines in the early series vehicles however were not very strong due to them being essentially adapted from Rover saloon cars. The Salisbury rear axle on LWB models helped a lot but on the whole the transmissions in these vehicles sadly were never in the class of Toyota or Nissan.
It's a shame....
Series LRs have full-floating axles so a broken shaft can be removed. I am not too sure if that is possible on the Land Cruiser which I think has semi-floating rear axles. Regardless a broken half shaft sometimes jams the diff so to get the vehicle rolling one has to remove the shaft anyway.
Very good point and tip. Very surprised it was the short side. Apparently its the long one that mostly goes. Im thinking i need to get some spares to carry haha
nope - its mostly the short side that snapes, so by carrying the short half shaft you are on the save side and much easier to carry
Hi Geoff,
It was fun meeting you at Cooma.
Great episode as well. Love those stories, although I must admit that I thought that the series 3 had a Salisbury rear end and that breaking axles was a thing of older Landy’s. Was it only the long wheel base’s that had those?
Cheers,
Andy.
G'day Andy. It was great to meet you. Yes, you are right the LWB (109inch) Series 3 were fitted with the Salisbury but not the SWB (88inch). Cheers Geoff
What tyres are you running?
Toyo Tire Open Country M/T's in a 235/85R. Cheers Geoff
Yawn, blah blah , dude, you did not snap an axle, you simply snapped a half shaft, different problem altogether ....when you get some experience driving off road you will learn that half shafts are consumable to a degree and learn to know the difference between an axle and a half shaft as if you call a chopper out to bring parts or radio on for spares etc you can wait a long time for an axle to be found and brought forward when a half shaft can be obtained easily and quickly. good job you are not in the military as you could end up dead not knowing what to ask for......dont die of ignorance.
Think twice before you type and get your facts straight. Chopper? Not mentioned in this video. Cheers Geoff
i snapped my axle turning left at some red lights in town was just slowly going around the corner