Yet ANOTHER WordPress Page Builder | Breakdance First Look
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- The latest entry into the WordPress Page Builder arena comes from the developer behind Oxygen Builder and is called 'Breakdance'...
Let's take a first look at what it offers, how it compares to its peers and how it's shaping up.
Could Breakdance be the next best WordPress Page Builder - I'll let the market be the judge.
Download and install your own copy and take it for a spin to see if you think so.
Does Elementor, the current king of the WordPress page builders have anything to worry about?
Permaslugs Video/Interview: • Breakdance Builder is ...
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I have a LFD for oxygen.
I just want to thank Paul, for his honesty and open approach towards this new product.
Knowing a lot of people are (rightfully) emotional on the subject.
Thnx paul
No problem.
I didn’t see any need for an emotional or reaction video. I gave my thoughts at the end and aim to provide my perspective on the situation after watching the interview with Louis, looking into things a little and gauging the sentiments in the various Facebook groups.
I’m glad you appreciated the approach taken. 😁
Bricks is the future if they keep improving
yeah I agree, their pace is amazing so I see this as basically oxygen 2.0
Looks good, but I'm done with page builders now. Custom FSE Themes is where I'm at.... and its costs nothing! :)
First of all, i want to stay and comment about your presentation. I strongly believe that you are the best WordPress Channel on CZcams. You can keep me hear you for houuurs without have questions or feel tired. The way you approach things is very professional, you're always calm and prepared with plenty of arguments. You know what you're talking about and that makes me trust you every time. So, thank you for being such a professional. Well done!!!
As for the Breakdance Builder, i have started my carrier 7 years ago with WP Bakery, Beaver, then jumping to Elementor Pro and also learning Gutenberg, i was had that need to be able to build more "technical" projects without have to learn CSS, JS, etc. completely. I have never used Oxygen, i've heard and saw a lot of its futures and always had that "oh my God, i hope i could learn how to use it" feeling. You have already said that Breakdance comes very similar to Bricks and you also said that "maybe the market doesn't need one more builder".
Let me tell you that nowadays people's looking for affordable tools. I live in Greece and here for example websites doesn't cost a fortune like in USA, or UK etc. The price range for a normal Business Website is 300€ - 1000€. The developer's effort and hours won't be paid well, so a lot of people prefer to use simple/fast/affordable tools for their projects, right? And that makes sense.
So, maybe there's already enough builders in the market, but the winner will be the Value For Money builder.
Once again, thank you for helping me take my business forward!
Actually they should name it BrickDance
Ha-ha, you right!
Or BlockParty 🤣
Paul, I appreciate the overview of this new pagebuilder. I purchased an Oxygen LTD when you first mentioned it on your channel. It was an investment that I was hoping would pay off in the long term. I also purchased a Bricks LTD. Looking at the two options as of today, I would much rather invest my time and effort working with Bricks over O2 and I am in no way interested in a yearly subscription for an O2 replacement/substitute. However, I do appreciate your overview.
The rate in which people are abandoning ship and hoping over to Bricks kind of shows that you're not alone in your assessments. ;)
I fear there is a big uphill battle for this to gain substantial ground.
I'm glad you talked about it. I agree with you. They better work with Oxygen and enhance further. 👍
There is a lot to like. Building a page was pretty straightforward and some of the extra "widgets" are nice. The menu builder seems very good. The addition of dummy data in some of the widgets is really useful to show you how it works as well. Font scaling in global options is nice.. yeah, overall for Alpha it's nice. Whether it's needed is another matter but certainly one to watch!
Thanks for the video Paul!
Great first look, Paul. I actually really like the look of this, and for an alpha release it's especially impressive. However, I won't personally touch it with a bargepole because of the development team behind it. Have never liked the vibe coming from them, and especially not after the way this launch was handled, Louis's hilarious/tragic appearance on the Permaslug livestream the other night, etc. And yeah, as you say... we have plenty of similar options (what a time to be alive!)
I can't say that I disagree with your take on that and after speaking to a good few people, I think that sentiment is echoed in more than one location.
Great overview Paul! Seems pretty cool, I will need to check out Alpha!
My concern is whether or not they will scrub Oxygen and will the further development of it hit the tank. The one major thing it’s lacking right out of the box is a Query Loop Builder, which may be a game changer for a lot of folks!
Feel like they should have placed more thoughts on the branding colors, seems to have flared up a lot of heated debate in several groups, particularly Bricks!
Let’s be real, if your trying to come out with something new, try and separate yourself from competing products already available on the market!
I gotta say, straight out of the box it feels like BreakDance has cleaned up a lot of the "lets bolt this thing on that thing"-feeling that Elementor has sort of grown to over time, and are grouping things in a very logical manner in layout/system that can be easily expanded AND keep the cleanlyness going forward, while elementor has grown into "lets put this thing here, maybe that thing over there, oh there is some space here, lets put the new feature there" type of approach - They might have a good thing going here.
What a shitty move really. Paid for lifetime license and instead of improving Oxygen they spent all the money and time they made on another product that I have to pay for.
Exactly
And they also moved so many of the missing feature requests into the Breakdance product. Used us for seed funds and feedbacks.
Jesus Paul, < 24hrs since the alpha availability and you've already got content up. You're the fastest CZcamsr in the west! 😂
Agree with your takes on the mkt and the vibes...I can't help but wonder if the release of bricks took soffly by surprise midway through the dev cycle of breakdance. A year ago a fast, tight builder with lots of built-in functionality and clean code VS elementor/divi could have gained a foothold...bricks seems to have already found that niche now, and from what I read on their road map, they've already improved woo support which was the main feature Louis cited yesterday as a differentiating factor vs other "friendly" page builders. Couple that with the fraught release and it's hard to envision a big movement to adopt it, barring a pricing model that makes it more attractive than the established alternatives.
Lol... I do try to be current! ;)
I know what you mean, there does feel like an element of 'panic' to the release.
Doing some more testing yesterday and it's responsive and logical at this early stage and has a lot to like. But, I do wonder how it will fair with Louis at the helm with the attitude towards other builders and the communities around his own products.
After watching the interview on Permaslug's channel, I can't help but feel he'd be better kept in the background to aid in a positive vibe and community adoption as opposed to alienating a massive potential userbase or early adoption of the product.
I do feel like they have a hard road ahead of them and don't really see an USP right now that would tempt most users away from their existing tools of choice.
I guess time and the market will ultimately decide on its fate. :)
@@WPTuts agree totally. I noticed during the Permaslug Livestream that Louis randomly tossed some kudos toward Adam at WpCrafter, who point-blank said he'd never do another review of Oxy at one pt because of personal animus toward Louis. My cynical assumption is Louis is hoping to unburn the bridge to the "WordPress for non-techies" guy and his 1/4 of a million subs. When you are entering an already mature space with a large part of your previous user base pissed; the majority of the grass-roots prosthelytizers of your previous product clearly disillusioned and distancing themselves (Jonathan, Kevin G, Sridhar), an already skeptical/alienated influencer pool, who probably make as much or more off of other affiliate programs as yours (and who will be critical to your product having any chance at success); and a product that doesn't appear to have substantial differentiating features VS established products, it seems... Wishful.
Anyway thanks again for your great work, and I look forward to your hearing your horrible mispronunciation of "Beta" as you review later versions of Breakdance 😉.
@@PlayCraig lmao. 🤣🤣
Very understandable and comprehensive review. Thank you, Paul.
They should invest that time into Oxygen nobody needs this
I watched the interview with Reingold (the creator of Oxygen). He was counting on WPTuts doing Breakdance reviews. But I guess he expected more enthusiasm for the product in this review :)
I’d be very surprised if Louis cared what I think about Breakdance, Oxygen or anything else. 🤣🤣
Paul - always great reviews. Love your comment about it being close to bricks color scheme. I like oxygen. I like elementor. I like bricks. I like Gutenberg more every day and see less of a place for these builders as Wordpress gets more into that space itself. The breakdance subscription model should tell you all you need to know as to “why” a new platform. Lifetime deals are antithetical to successful long term platforms. They’re a good way to raise money for rapid early development but not for continued development. An active user community handling support for you can extend that life, like what ACF had, but when user adoption slows, it’s more profitable to cut bait and start new than it is to continue developing a product with a slower growing user base. At the very least, you look at your time spent on dev and start thinking “ I make less money for every hour I spend on this with every new day.” As a business owner, that’s not a friendly place to be. Elliot Condon sold his amazing plug-in at the right time IMO and is probably counting his money on a beach somewhere as he plans his next project.
how can i edit text in the textfield like i can in gutenberg , make some words thick or add a url behind it , cant find a way how to do it?? please help, i can add text , that's not the problem but there is no menu above the textfield, do i miss something here? a simple task like in gutenberg, but in breakdance is see no way to do that
From what I can see, it will cost $149 per year for the plugin so, it's unlikely to appeal to single site users. That will further limit the market for it.
I really struggle with the odd pricing structure that some companies apply to their products.
Thanks for a good review...think it is a personal copout from Louis....Oxygen has its faults but a lot of us have put a lot of faith in this and now...breakdance?! If the concentration goes over to breakdance Louis will be committing a serious business error and it will be the end of Oxygen and what ever this breakdance is. They have pumped up Oxygen from the beginning saying what a fantastic product it is but we need to develop a new product because it isn't doing well?!!
People forget why we use page builders in the first place. Yes, there is room for one more builder and then another 10. Because personally I'm interested more in what other things come with that page builder, and the nr. 1 most important feature are the built-in websites that come with it. Those assets are the deciding factor for me because I want the website not the builder first. So if there are 10 builders all of them ok, I will choose the one that has the website that I want already build, for me to work as less as possible.
Personally I can see the sense in charging annually to use Breakdance, but like most people I too bought the top bells and whistles package for Oxygen. What would be good is if us lifetime license owners where given a discount on the annual license.
Would certainly help make the Oxygen lifetime license more of a benefit if they eventually decide to bin it!
As a former Oxygen builder user, I was too surprised by the email received announcing the upcoming of Breakdance. That said, it is therefore easier for me to put aside a certain resentment that I can understand for current Oxygen users following this announcement.
So I'm going to focus on Breakdance; overall I like this product, specially the 100+ elements, the inclued menu and form builders. I totaly disagree that we don't need another PageBuilder for WordPress. It's just that Breakdance's positioning is too vague, to say the least, both in terms of marketing and position. For example, it remains quite close to Oxygen and not close enough to FSE/Gutenberg. And the name and the yellow color are indeed actually too close to Bricks. Concerning the realization, what I mean by that is that it would be great to have a Breakdance more based on FSE/Gutenberg, without the need to launch an interface. They should have compensated for the major shortcomings of Gutenberg and FSE: better UX templates management with dynamics and conditions, creation and management of menus, advanced management of font libraries, creation of basic forms, fine management of responsive design, more user friendly interface, dark mode, etc. I have absolutely no idea why they haven't, there is a place for them right now to become the Gutenberg-based Elementor (the Oxygen-Gutenberg is for me Cwicly). It's unfortunate, but in its current position it will be very difficult for Breakdance to establish itself.
If they want the project to take off, it absolutely needs a free version.
And for current Oxygen users offer them a free license for at least several years. They have to learn marketing basics.
Totally agree. Competition is good. More options good. I’m not convinced Wordpress itself won’t replace them all in features. But that’s another story. Also agree with your comment about the positioning of this. It’s done very poorly. There is no value prop. No differentiation. And not enough difference to really want to use it. Other than a free one year license to existing oxygen users I don’t see any reason at all to use it. Rather, the way he cut bait on oxygen I actually see more reason to NOT continue with it.
Thank you for being so objective and impartial. 🙂
You are so welcome!
There's enough drama in the FB groups and no need for me to add to that. :)
@@WPTuts indeed ☺️
I am off the wall for a breakdance tonight.
We are moving more and more to gutenberg... I think I would appreciate more effort on gutenberg and or static site generation more than page builders...
"Let's take a look at the road map, unlike oxygen" had me dying here 🤣 Well.. that's true. It was a huge slap in the face for us oxygen devotee expecting the most upvoted github request be initialized but instead were built into the breakdance 😂 We can still build sites with oxygen but those upvoted changes like the long awaited menu builder still not up there yet. Future of oxygen... Not sure now.. but I'm still keeping the existing sites on o2 but the newer ones, I'm still looking for alternative as the future of oxygen seems getting blurred these days.
Personally, I think Oxygen's days are numbered (sadly). As Louis himself said, it is being treated as a legacy product due to it being built on old technology and that makes updates less straightforward. Will it happen soon? I doubt it, but I do see more and more people abandoning ship based upon how many feel the situation was handled and losing faith/trust in the project/company.
Personally, I feel bad for Elijah - he's basically been left to handle the fallout and try and provide reassurances, but I'm sure he feels like he's trying to save the Titanic with a bucket right now.
@@WPTuts yes, exactly how I feel and man, feels bad for Elijah :/
Amazing content Paul. Need you opinion.
1. Which is the fastest builder in terms of Page Speed loading from amongst all the builder you have tested so far?
2. Which builder do you think is not so good but you feel has the potential in terms of growth?
I think most builders have the potential to be fast - it comes down to understanding how to build the site using that particular tool.
Out of what I've tested, Bricks would probably be my choice for fastest. It's very well optimised for a page builder and has the majority of features to build modern websites. Sure, there's still room for improvement and has some missing components (which I believe will be added over time).
I can't say that I have an answer for the second question as I don't really spend too much time sticking with many of the smaller builders out there as the market is pretty small for them and I don't really have a huge amount of spare time to invest in testing them.
@@WPTuts Thanks Paul for the honest opinion. Looking forward to your amazing videos...
@Bahrain Bets don't be dump.
This actually looks really legit
If they built something like this but wasn't tied to Wordpress, I'd be interested. An advanced visual builder utizling Bootstrap or Tailwind would be really cool, and I think there's a bigger market for that. I have no need for another WP page builder. I'm satisfied with Elementor for now.
Breakwind?
That’s what I said too. I want a self-hosted solution like this to build static HTML websites that’s not tied to WordPress or locked into another platform (Wix, WebFlow).
I'm glad I (and lots of other people) bought Oxygen lifetime license which didn't work with Toolset so Lewis could spend the next 3 years without having to worry about a wage so he could develop (can't even say that word) which will now apparently support Toolset but I will now need to pay for it annually if I want to use Toolset with his products. People are rightly miffed and there has been a lot of talk about how over the last few years users pointed out all the bugs which have now been fixed and the suggested enhancements which ended up in (the product who's name I cannot mention). I won't be using it... I'll use Wix cough cough first!
You are absolutely right.
For me it's not a question of money, it's a question of loyalty.
I use Oxygen for 2 personal websites, I bought the most expensive plan to help improve this program, and the gift from the developer is to give me an alpha version.
I'm fine with him doing a new project.
I think it's wrong to give people illusions and then deceive them in such a bad way.
It's kid's stuff.
I feel ripped off. Why not develop Oxygen into Breakdance? Simple: Because he can now charge yearly subscriptions. Why not just leave the LTD users and come with a new plan for new customers?
I'm the same. Feel ripped off. I invested in Oxygen and all the 3rd party bells and whistles to make it workable. A nice chunk of money all in all and as usual, money I cant afford to have turned to dirt so soon after purchase. I watched the live last night with Permaslug and listened to the creator describing Oxygen as old legacy code!! Pity they hadn't mentioned this on the sales page. And then they have the audacity to offer a 1 year licence to the Oxygen users who have been shafted. Without going into detail, you can guess where I think the 1 year licence can be shoved...
oxygen does work with toolset - czcams.com/video/nmv8PZi2uro/video.html
TOPP!
This comes down to business and to earn money. Firstly, you can't survive purely on ltd sales. Also, there is such thing as progress and adapting to different segments. I do believe Breakdance cather a different segment and also, as I recall is build on another platform? I paid 99usd for OXY ltd years back and thats cheap for a product you can earn a ton of money on or even for your own websites. I think BD is as an Alpha a great product with a ton of features, more than Bricks has when it first was released. In then end I do believe comes down to personal preference/workflow.
Nice first look PC
Which builder was first Oxygen or Bricks? Because if Oxygen was first, then Bricks drew first blood lol.
I'm curious to see the speed test
and what about "Power Page' ( from Microsoft ) whish is making all our lives 100% easier. This Page builder 'links' to all the Apps and features of all Microsoft products. It is definitively the future. We have started to use it in our organization coupled with Sharepoint ( by the way , the latter indispensable nowadays ) . Hopefully will be the end of this confusing world of 'Plug-ins'. 'Themes', Page builders, etc, etc etc. ...."Hope it makes sense ( as you usually say Paul ). All the best .
Nothing better than Gutenberg. Embrace it.
Not even going to consider it unless it works with jetengine. Any page builder that comes out should be as good as elementor or better with dynamic data/conditions or else don’t release it
100% Agree. As much as I often check other page builders none of them come even close to what Elementor has achieved. And it gets better and better with time. Pair it with Ooohboi Steroids and you have one massive pagebuilder. Let alone the compatibilities with other tools, Elementor is awesome.
Hi, can you help me because I didn't find any solution for my problem.
I have a website where I allow users to login and posting a custom post type post using the crocoblock jet engine form.
I just wanna find a way to prevent the user from posting a post if one of it's Field entries was used before.
For example I don't wanna the post title to be duplicated.
Any solution please ?
Absolute PR train wreck.
In roadmap - feature request tab - feature request board link is roadmap for breakdance.
As an oxygen user and also a Bricks user I wonder where this will fit in? Personally I would rather just use Bricks, I dont see what this offers over Bricks. I guess time will tell.
How is Breakdance compared with Elementor?
I have a question.. Wordpress costs $15 a month per website. So that means you have to pay $180 a year per website? I want to make them for friends/clients so they need to be without ads (Wordpress Pro) Is there a way around this? $180 a year is quite alot...
Wordpress is opensource and free
It has no lifetime license and it is so bad.
I think they want a pro builder at the same time with more easy-to-use in general admin UI and tools with new brand to gaint more in the market.
Also, I think they want to get rid of the Lifetime License that they do provide in Oxygen now.
At the same time, they can't rich to Elementor because of its approach in providing a good free version besides the pro version. So we don't see themes in for example ThemeForest that say we support Breakdance builder like more builders in the market.
And Oxygen buyers may have to wait and see what happens in the year to come!?
+ Their visual builder for .classes is amazing and I hope we see it in other builders soon.
Customers have more options with more builders and at the same time more stress in buying fees and learning new things. Also, we have a better competition with more powerful end products.
I dont get it, why are they developing a new page builder instead of making a block builders like kadence?
This is just getting really stupid with all these builders now. Breakdance has a stupid name and it is quite clear they completely ripped Bricks off big time.
I was on a diet and I went back to McDonald's because of this guy. It is a very sad moment
Are they trying to copy Webflow?
One word: "class action lawsuit"
For me Breakdance is just a desperate attempt by the people behind Oxygen to launch a product that is: 1) Have a wider customer based (user-friendly) and 2) has a sustainable long-term pricing structure.
Personally, I am ALWAYS skeptical whenever I see a product with a "one-time" or "lifetime" deal because software and apps require constant investment to cover the expenses of rolling major updates and bug fixes and that is something you can´t get with "one-time" or "lifetime" deals.
Because, eventually, you will find you´re capped and the money rolling in just won´t be enough. In fact, with the launch of Breakdance, Oxygen just reduced their pricing structure making it even cheaper now which, if you aks me, is NOT a very good sign.
There’s always an element of “I learned a lot on that last thing” and maybe they get it right an breakdance is truly better. But that’s a tough jump to make when it gets introduced the way it was. We’ll see.
Why does Oxygen still have an LTD plan when it’s a polished product and has been out with multiple versions already? Convert to a subscription model and use some funds to start marketing. Get your community to write positive reviews. The problem is that these developers don’t know anything about marketing.
Apparently when they’ve tried to move to a subscription model, sales and profits dropped by 50%.
@@WPTuts sales drop is to be expected when convert to subscription. LTD has its purpose as initial funding. Supposed to do marketing after LTD and switch to one year deal for short period. If product is good, then sales will pick up with marketing. Once sales pick up, switch to subscription. LTD and one year deal have served its purpose as funding, so when sales picks up with marketing don’t need to continue it.
@@nordstrom7770 I’m not disagreeing, just repeating Louis’s comments regarding this on the stream with Permaslug.
Please remember this is a alpha version, things will change.
Not with me! This builder can break, but not dance. I'm sorry.
Byebye Oxygen/Breakdance. Moving further with Divi (LTD) and Elementor (older plan with unlimited installs).
Divi ? Seriously ? :))
@@DaJyzor Not really. Switched to Bricks Builder as an alternative. Has some potential. Best to just use VS Code I guess :-)
@@MetamediaNL that's better..I went with Zion Builder, it feels more flexible than bricks
I don't like what they have done with oxygen builder.😪
I think it's a scam, they have laughed at people.🥳
I think it's ugly and wrong to lower the price, that's called stealing.😤
I will no longer trust this developer.🤡
Sorry if you read this post and I offend you but I have TDA-H and I don't know how to lie.😺😺😺
I have lost trust on oxygen founder. No matter how great product they built I m no longer gonna use that.
lol I thought it was a joke, the name Breakdance
This is a gateway for wannabe Oxygen users. Many people already want to move to Oxygen because of its speed but then the trepidation of its complicated learning curve hits them, and they jet. This will be a gateway "drug!"
Never going to happen. Breakdance isn’t any easier for a beginner. Maybe 10%? They started to rebuild oxygen in vue and somewhere along the way shifted gears and just made a neutered clone.
@@Gearyco However, It would feel slightly easier to someone moving from Elementor, IMO.
🤮
What is the point of this? Why would anyone choose this over Elementor? Just price?
Performance, lack of bloat, more modern, more elegant
@@Line49Design Elegant? It looks like it was cobbled together in three days.
@@get8bit Are you referring to its visual appearance? If so:
You're called Devin the Developer. So aren't you supposed to be aware of what a developer means by 'elegant'? I'm talking about coding.
It's the #1 reason why people are leaving page builders..often for Gutenberg. No solution is perfect, but Divi and Elementor are part of a bloated past generation. You've heard this, I assume.
@@Line49Design developers often have no clue when it comes to design/UI/UX.
I think this design is pretty clean.
@@get8bit I personally hate elementor. I like the UI of this a lot better.