Why SCOTTIE PIPPEN is Top 20 ALL-TIME (ft.
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Scottie Pippen has more games in the playoffs shooting under 30% than he has scoring 30+ points in the regular season. Look it up. He could not be a reliable scorer, in fact he was a very VERY limited scorer. He had no offensive package whatsoever. Transition scoring, spot up 3’s and a baby post hook was his go to moves and none of those were reliable in the playoffs.
Yeah but it wasn’t his job to score. He was an average scorer and good at everything else. One of the most elite defenders ever
@@pjwright3773 I'm sick of yall dismissing Scottie's inability to score as "he just wasn't asked to score". So you telling me the second best player next to MJ didn't need to score? Please cut the bs. He COULDN'T score, that's the difference. That's why Phil would go to MJ, Kukoc, Paxson, Kerr in the clutch because Scottie couldn't do shit.
@@Chillboyhaadexactly! You think Phil Jackson wasnt asking Scottie to score?? It wasn’t that he wasn’t asked. It was the fact that he was inconsistent as hell at it. So people overrate his defense and make him out to be the greatest wing defender ever to downplay MJ and justify Scottie being ranked so high
@@TheRealLeonardWashington The way they talk about Scottie’s defense you’d think he was prime Bill Russell or something lmao it’s crazy
Thank you, the guy was a perfect Robin, but that's what he was a robin
I got him #33-35 all time, listened to the video there's no reasonable case in my opinion to have him even top 25
facts
Facts my guy
Or top 30
A lot of y’all in here are just blatantly overrating Scottie’s defensive abilities💀 he’s great on the defensive end, but I think Hakeem is on a different level.
The fact that they’re even comparing Scottie and Hakeem is crazy
😂exactly they act like he held every player to single digit points there was plenty of games and series where pip would start off guarding say a Barkley in the finals 1v1 by game 2-3 they had to send doubles cuz Barkley was torching him. In 91 ppl like to bring up game 2 when pip was put on magic and to his credit made magic have an off game but by game 3 he was in foul trouble and mj was switched back the rest of the series. His numbers are underwhelming even at his peak. If it wasn’t for the six rings Scottie isn’t top 75
@@Chillboyhaad EXACTLY...but my logic is flawed...lol. this all started with him saying scottie is greater than Hakeem, i disagreed.
Pippen could cover more of the floor defensively than hakeem
Scottie Pippen is easily a top 5 defender he can guard every position without a problem he would never get tired he can pick you up at the inbound and switch the all 5 players without any problems Hakeem was good but he can’t guard a guard
Anything higher than #30 is pretty ridiculous, he is arguably a top 5 SF ever and an all time defender, great player for sure
Can you legitimately name 29 better players than pippen?
@@tommartyn524 31 exactly actually (no order)
Jordan,Kobe,bron,kareem,magic,bird,bill russell,KD,shaq,steph,tim D, Hakeem, Kawhi, Giannis, D-wade, Isiah Thomas, KG, Dirk, Karl Malone, Moses Malone, Dr J, Dwight Howard, James Harden, Kyrie, Jokić, Embiid, David Robison, AD,Dame, AI&Melo.
@@brraindon I’m taking pippen over dame, bill Russell and David Robson. I actually think that Robinson is a little overrated. Maybe not over Robinson but the convo is there. I also think melo and AI are overrated
@@brraindon what has melo, ai, ad, dame, kyrie, jokic embiid, and kawhu done to put them above Pippen? Some of them arent even in the top 50 all time so must have Pippin by this list of players barely cracking top 60
I can name 49
Scottie gets more love nowadays than he did even in his own era and it's because there is a vocal minority of Jordan haters and or LeBron fans that like to use Scottie as a way to denigrate Jordan, when in reality Wade and AD are FAR better than Scottie ever was...and to keep it real Kyrie is a much better individual player than him as well.
Larry Johnson is better than Scottie
Ummmm jordan is a first round exit without Scottie that a fact. Not hate he quit because he couldnt play with phill Jackson and Scottie.
Kyrie at no point in time was top 5 in mvp voting an runner for dpoy. Scottie peak is higher easily
All of lebrons #2 options were diff better than Scottie offensively
Let me guess Jordan the goat?
Everybody know Jordan benefited from having the goat defender. Rode Scottie coattails.
If bron had Scottie he woulda been 9/10 it the finals
Idk when this happen but Scottie Pippen became a Top 10-15 Player on CZcams 😂😂😂
I swear man. The revisionist history when it comes to Scottie Pippen is insane
@@TheRealLeonardWashington it’s all in the name of trying to diminish Jordan and his amazing accomplishments.
@@Royal10123 yep. That’s exactly what it is. And it’s mainly the younger generation of Lebron fans that does this. 80s babies and older remember Scottie in real time. He was never looked at like how people look at him today. He was just a glorified Robin
@@TheRealLeonardWashington facts. Younger generation and a couple old heads like Lamont. I thought Lamont was a good basketball head until he start saying crazy shit like this lol. When he talk I know that shit pure entertainment now lol.
@@Royal10123 Lamont might just be the biggest troll I seen on this platform. I learned that the minute he said Scottie was better than Hakeem and couldn’t keep a straight face 🤣
Scottie not top 20 , there were plenty of better players in the 90’s who lit his ass up including sprewell , Hill, LJ, dumars, penny, glen rice etc
Sure but every great defender has gotten lit up and none of those guys you mentioned were close to being better than him.
@@NothingElseMattersJM those guys I mentioned were bus drivers not second bananas like pip
@@andresdelportillo9917 Which ones? Shaq was the best player on the Magic. Mourning was the best player on the Heat. Grant Hill had one of the shortest primes. Mourning was the best player on the Hornets too. Latrell Sprewell was NEVER the best player on any team
@@andresdelportillo9917 Which ones? Shaq was the best player on the Magic. Mourning was the best player on the Heat. Grant Hill had one of the shortest primes. Mourning was the best player on the Hornets too. Latrell Sprewell was NEVER the best player on any team
@@NothingElseMattersJM spree drove the bus in 95 and 99-01, he was also a reason for KG’s wcf run in 2004 , they paid lesser players more spree felt low balled , he was literally the second best player on the team and he got paid less, spree was a superstar until he choked his coach and was shunned by the nba
Scottie is top 30-40. The lebron fanboys love elevating pippen and hyping up that one season in 1994 to try and push this Scottie agenda. The reality is he was good but he was always a number 2. His peak offensive game was as a low 20s type of scorer with elite defense especially when it came to versatility. Top 20 is ridiculous tho a massive stretch
Hakeem is 1 of 4 players to record a quadruple double.
A month before he had a quadruple double, but the league took away an assist. So he only had a triple double with 9 assists.
Hakeem has come the closest to achieving a quintuple double. When he had a game of
38 points, 17 reb, 6 assists, 7 steals,
12 blocks
And when he had this game which is the game he had the quadruple double taken away. 28 points, 19 reb, 9 ast, 5 steals,
11 blocks
Hakeem is the only player to have 200 blocks and 200 steals in a season.
Hakeem has the most 200 blocks and 100 steals seasons with 11.
Hakeem has the most games with at least 5 in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. He has 6 of these games.
Only player to lead his team in 4 of the 5 major categories for 8 consecutive seasons. He did it 9 times.
Most steals by a center in a season
Most steals by a center in their career
Most blocked shots ever
Only player to win MVP, Finals' MVP, and DPOY in same season.
Won DPOY twice
Only player to lead his team in all five categories in the playoffs while winning the championship
Only player to win a championship without an All-star or hall of Fame player.
Top 20 is insanity
Why?
@@Kaiokenx1milbecause there are MANY players better than him
Scottie Pippen isn’t even a top 10 Small Forward all time
Let alone top 20
@@SeecretWeapon idk I think Scottie is criminally underrated, like dude stated a lot of his greatest damn near hinges on he’s wild intangibles he’s slick the intangibles god and you oddly enough can’t scale intangibles if you know what I mean but for example Scottie has a great resume without mike with the trailblazers and when mike took his break and went to baseball.
@@SeecretWeapon imma need them 10 SFs my guy.
@@beery6659 you sound crazy Scottie is possibly the best defender of his era mike gets more clout than he should he couldn’t do a thing with out Scottie that’s fact tho Scottie has had better team success than mike and those are also facts ppl try to down play Scottie to make it seem like mike had no help Scottie was top 10 in his time
Fyf Needs to be drug tested
Facts
I’m 36 and know Scottie is not top 20 closer to top 35-40.
Guys like Bernard King, Mark Aguirre, Mitch Richmond, Chris Mullin are not guys Scottie is just leaps and bounds better than.
Exactly wat I be saying without the rings it’s arguable that Scottie isn’t top 75 if mj had a big like Ewing or mourning he probably would’ve won more. Clyde and mj would be better duo
@@Jc-ly6peClyde and MJ together would've been illegal
I have him 33 to 34 range
Being from Chicago, Scottie is one of my top 5 "favorite" players ever but there are definitely more than 20 players that are better than Scottie. I think a good place for Scottie would be around 30-35.
Top 20 good for scottie
Even in his prime Scottie would disappear offensively many times
Yea because jordan took all the shots how can anybody be in a rhythm and pippen still took the best perimeter player allowing jordan to use less energy on defense so he can score on offense
@@jasondakidd882 Pippen was great but it’s not like he averaged 24 in 93-94 or 94-95 when MJ was retried. Also when you have someone with MJ’s scoring gravity on your team, it makes it easier for you to score more efficiently m since he’s drawing so much defensive attention.
@@NothingElseMattersJM 1-9 without pippen in the 1st round 🤔
@@jasondakidd882 Cool, still 6-0 in the finals where it mattered the most. Thats the GOAT for you 🐐
@@sgalexander8704 He is not the goat those championship vs bad competition
In no order
Guys who are clearly better than Pippen
1-MJ
2-Duncan
3-Hakeem
4-Shaq
5-Magic
6-LeBrick
7-Kobe
8-Kareem
9-Bird
10-Russell
11-Wade
12-Wilt
13-Dirk
14-Jokic
15-Curry
16-Ducant
17-Malone
18-Malone
19-Greek brick
20-Dr J
What are we doin
barkley baylor west oscar kg thomas all gotta be there as well
Players ranked ahead of pippen:
Jordan, bron, Kareem, magic, bird, Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, russel, wilt, Hakeem, curry… that’s 12..
then you got Kevin Garnett, dirk, Kevin Durant, Moses Malone, Dr J, Oscar Robertson, Jerry west, isiah Thomas… that rounds out the top 20…..
then we get to Karl Malone, Giannis, Barkley, Nash, Patrick Ewing, Alonzo mourning, Walt Frazier, elvin hayes, David Robinson, russel Westbrook…. That rounds out the top 30…
Every player I named above has a major award under their belt be it mvp, fmvp, dpoy, or has led their team to the finals as the main guy….
You can argue Scottie over some in the top 30 but the top 20 is iron clad can’t put him over nobody in their
I forgot about jokic, kawhi, Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony…. So you can sub out a few guys for those guys if you choose
Pippen did alot defensively but Jordan was scoring damn near 50% of he bulls points in the finals
And taking all the shots so I hope he would
And played just as good a defense if not better
That entire Bulls team also developed a defensive edge and mentality by playing with Jordan. He was already a DPOY and one of if not the best defensive perimeter player in the league before guys like Scottie and Horace became serviceable 2nd and 3rd options on a championship level team. When you have Jordan as well, it's not exactly like Pippen had to worry about everything on the defensive end.
They were likely comfortable asking Pippen to do all those things because they also had Jordan doing a lot of those things. Jordan was nearly just as capable off-ball and generally better on-ball when it came to defense. Jordan and Scottie were basically interchangable on defense especially during the first 3-peat, except Jordan was also asked to carry the entire offense as well. During the 2nd 3-peat you can pretty much say the same thing. Except now you had Ron Harper and Rodman who are also both elite defenders. And that took a lot of pressure off of Scottie and allowed him to go out and be as versatile as he was. They had a safety net of 3 other great defensive players in case anything went wrong.
@@BT405
["He was already a DPOY and one of if not the best defensive perimeter player in the league before guys like Scottie and Horace became serviceable 2nd and 3rd options on a championship level team."]
Let's be real. MJ's DPOY award was overrated. That season Clyde Drexler dropped 42 points on 54.5% shooting against Jordan, along with 9 assists and 8 steals (5 of which were against MJ), 6’3” Fat Lever dropped a triple-double (31 points, 10 rebounds, 12 assists) mostly on MJ, and Dale Ellis got 34 points on 58.3% shooting. Jeff Malone shot 48.3% in 6 games against MJ, above his season average. Where did that "great defense" go? The remainder of the season he defended the likes of Craig Ehlo, Gerald Wilkins, Randy Wittman, Danny Ainge, Otis Birdsong, John Long, Bobby Hansen, Allen Leavell, Reggie Theus, Jeff Hornacek, Byron Scott, Otis Smith, Alvin Robertson, Mike Woodson, etc.
["That entire Bulls team also developed a defensive edge and mentality by playing with Jordan."]
Chicago Bulls defensive coordinator John Bach stated several years ago: "...he (Scottie) made Michael a better defensive player because Michael gambled, and it was often that Scottie moved up to cover for Michael. And he could cover so much ground. He had such good instincts. It wouldn’t have been a Doberman defense without him."
Scottie was able to direct defenses a lot more fluidly and effectively on a more frequent basis without MJ screwing them up by constantly gambling to try to commit turnovers, which often led to leaving opponents wide open and creating glaring weaknesses in the defensive rotations.
@@MistahUnknown wow it's the NBA GUYS can get torched by who ever I watched chris jackson torch jordan and the Bulls. What you said puts a stop to that plumber analogy these ppl be saying
Scottie is definitely top 30-40 for me
Yeah that is seems fair
That's nasty
Same for me as well, all the Jordickeaters just diminish Scottie’s greatness, as well as EVERYONE’s role as well. They pretend Dennis wasn’t getting 15+ Rebounds, act like the shooters weren’t hitting important shots, they just shit on his growth as a player, his defense, ability to lead an offense, if he wasn’t all beat up after ‘98 then he could’ve got the separator-ring to get his respect. Gotta remember Mike isn’t the only one that’s 6-0
@@yuhhtempo shit wild a walk on team manager turned lottery pick needed Micheal to make him into something that man was showing growth in his game way before mj
That's about right
Scottie didn't shutdown anyone. He was not the defensive player of the year candidate because he wasnt on that level. Hakeem was the alpha on his team Scottie wasn't so that's why Hakeem is higher
Agree I have Hakeem higher, no question… but Scottie wasn’t a dpoy because everyone was focused on MJ. Scottie had the most all defense votes from coaches twice, I’d say he deserved several dpoy if that’s the case
@@pjwright3773 MJ was the better defender and overall player that's why everyone was focused on him
@@christiansoldier77 i see your just talking lol jordan wasn't close to pippen as a defender jordan was the 3rd best defender on the bulls
@@pjwright3773 stop it lol pippen is the best defender in nba history 💯
Scottie cannot even shot down a crippel bird.
20 is crazy, I would put him in the 40's.
So now we're lying to make it seem like jordan had more help 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Basically
Lamont didn't watch the Bulls in the 90's... I'm 52... I've been watching the Bulls since 81... Lamont is over exaggerating about Scottie defense... Jordan was a better defender so it helped Scottie...
Thank you
Well I have, in fact my hobby as a youngin as recording and rewatching all these games from 90 to 03. Mj IS NOT and never was a better defender than scottie. Maybe on ball it's close, but what separated Pip was his off ball and help defense which mj don't come close to matching. Let's stop it.
I'm 44 BTW. I'm willing to bet their ain't a dude walking this earth that has watched more 90s basketball than me so I'm no novice. We have to stop lying or making faces narratives about MJ and what he was. I saw it with my own eyes. He had the same short comings as any other great. We paint this picture on him like he always performed in big games which is not true.
@@jmar5127 you full of shit.... MJ on ball defense before Scottie even got in the league was far better...who you think taught Scottie defense?.... Scottie wasn't that good of a defender till he got with Mike.... pippen was very very raw coming out the draft
@@jmar5127 he never had a meltdown in the finals like Bron did and from 90 to 98 he never lost 3 games in the row.....
If we’re talking versatility defensively I’ll take Rodman over Pippen. Rodman is the blueprint of checking positions 1-5.
Exactly. He actually did that and made life hell for all time great players. Pippen NEVER did that
Yall just be lying huh@@asundelgun3487
That is way to high for Scottie
No it not
People be overrating winning and talent...barkley malone and baylor never won..pippen wasn't those guys...
@@coreythomas363330 is fair...20 is insane...25 is too high...33 is where I have him
Legend of winning was cooking and BBQing Lamont towards the ending of this segment ...
facts
I have to give Low a lot credit for this segment, he put things in its proper context. Pippen was never going to lead a team to a championship. Y’all cry about that bad in 94 all you want. And there’s no way in hell Pippen is a top 20 player.
Big men deserve more of the nod in DPOY because you’re presumably controlling the paint, the area closest to the basket, the more high % shots vs a perimeter player controlling one matchup. You’d have to be EXCEPTIONAL to override the impact of an interior defender. PLUS. Most of the talent was on the inside in that era.
This is so sad pippen not even a top 35 player Pippen versatile defensively but there are bout 70 better scorers Than him
This guy acting like Pippen has 25 DPOYs or sum…
Stop the 🧢 ‼️🤣😂
Scottie Pippen maybe top 40-45 and that’s pushing it. Scottie was a role player and never was a franchise player. Dominique is better than Pippen and there’s a lot more that’s better!
He was a level above a role player but ppl act like it was a wade and bron, shaq and kobe type of duo when it was more like steph and klay dynamic
Dominique definitely clears Scottie. Only thing that stopped Dominique was injuries. I’m taking Grant Hill over Scottie too. Ironically injuries slowed both Nique and Grant down
@Lenny Beason
List your Top 50. I need a lengthy laugh.
@@MistahUnknown if u think Pippen is top 20 Alltime u can laugh at yourself ‼️😂🤣
@@lennybeason1110 Again, List your Top 50. I really really really could use a lengthy laugh to start my day off.
Scottie is top 30ish. But Dream is the best defensive player is all time. Scottie is very versatile. He speaking as though all season Scottie was picking up full court. Switching on 4/5s all game. This is false narrative.
Also on the 90s most of the best players in the L were bigs
Pippen is the best defender of all-time sorry
@@jasondakidd882 Scottie got lit up in the 90’s and 80’s wym
@@andresdelportillo9917 jordan got killed by Richmond 🥱🥱🥱
@@jasondakidd882 Scottie got lit up by LJ on a daily , you talking like Mitch Richmond is some bum , how is Scottie top 30 if Mitch was a better player than him? ……
@@andresdelportillo9917 it's about winning right so 6-0
Fyf has to be Scottie pippen favorite player of all time cause he constantly keeps this man's name in his mouth
@@RundownProductions why ? The 90s was a fun time for basketball.....it ain't todays NBA boring ASF
@@RundownProductions but is boring it's all about stats trade talks and soft officiating instead of excitement fun and tough basketball
@@RundownProductions my guy ✌️✌️
Im sorry but for example i have Karl Malone at 20-something and there wasnt a single year Pippen was better than him
Its cap
In 94 and 95 Pippen was better the Karl Malone only Olajuwon and maybe Robinson were better in those years.
pippen is a great player but i’ll put him outside top 20
Scottie is not top 20. FYF is a Lebron stan and the only reason he's arguing this is the same reason Lebron fans falsely exalt Pippen all the time. Just fake fuel for the fake goat argument.
Pippen & Hakeem are not comparable. It’s just not. Pippen (like it or not) was a sidekick. Number 2 guy. Hakeem was the main guy. Resumes and the 6-0 in the finals thing - it’s only a thing when comparing comparable players. Comparing Pippen (a number 2 for nearly his entire career) to Hakeem (a number 1 for almost all his career) is not comparable. There’s likely 20 players just straight up better than Pippen simply because they were the best players on championship contenders or winners their careers. Pippen was never the best player on a championship team. Never an MVP, never a finals MVP. He just is not top 20.
Perfectly said, I was going to type up a comment just like this, but you beat me to it. FYF used a fallacy argument of comparing a Robin's success to a Batman's success, it does not hold up. Hakeem's 2 rings as the head honcho hold more weight than Scottie's 6 rings as the Robin does. Scottie never could have won a title as the main man, he had limited ability to close out crucial games with his scoring. Defensively, Hakeem clears Scottie too, Hakeem had to be the Rocket's consistent rock every night on both ends in order for his Rockets to have a chance. Scottie did not have that same pressure, there were many nights where Larry Bird, Grant Hill, Chris Mullins, Jamal Masburn, Larry Johnson, Adrian Dantley, etc would get there's against Scottie and the Bulls would still win or be in the game.
@@QuestionEverything562 exactly. Even the 1994 season - a year that Pippen gets mad credit for (deservedly so) Pippen inherited a team/coach/franchise now with championship experience. Championship winning. Most guys have to be drafted to some crappy squad and build from the ground up - Pippen was very lucky to be able to take over and be the man in his 7th season.
You guys need to discuss players you would choose, defensive players vs offensive players.
Offensive all day. MJ> and he is an offensive player.
@@jonshaqqir4575 he was a great defender too....
Kawhi is better defensively and offensively than Pippen
Not defensively
@@derekbuck3262yes defensively. Kawhi doesn't really have the luxury of someone scoring almost 50% of his team's points for him. Look at Kawhi in SA where he didn't have to score a bunch. He was locking everyone down
@@asundelgun3487 Overall Pippen was a better help defender than Kawhi but yea offensively and particularly scoring it’s not even close.
Not even close defensively
Defensively no. Offensively yes.
Not to mention that the two years Dennis Rodman won DPoY he was averaging less than one steal or block a game. So for him to win the award in back to back years mean the voters absolutely valued intangible factors that didn't translate on a stat sheet.
Dennis Rodman won DPOY when Hakeem averaged nearly 5 blocks and 3 steals
Maybe but it also could’ve been a defensive rebounding thing.
@@NothingElseMattersJM He was only averaging 9.7 total rebounds a game in 90 and 12 rebounds total in 91. Both season he wasn't leading the league in total rebounds per game or defensive rebounds per game. He was however leading the league in offensive rebounds in 91.
@@DevonDaVinci He was 2nd in rebounding %( factors minutes) in 1990 and first in rebound % in 1991. By the way, I don’t think Pippen should’ve won DPOY either of those years.
Jordan, LeBron, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bill, Kobe, Bird, Shaq, Hakeem, Tim, Steph, West, Oscar, KD, Dr J, Elgin, Moses Malone, Giannis, Jokic, Barkley that's 21 better than Scottie straight away.
In 1994 pippen was nowhere near a top 5 player Karl Malone David Robinson shaq barkley hakeem just off the top of my head
Top 40 for sure
Blasphemy! Dude is not a top 20 player. I can name at least 30 dudes better than him. He may not even be top 5 at his position! Go back and watch him shoot, boy look like Brick James!! 🤣 IF it wasn't for the blackboard, he would have shot around 38% for his career!!
He definitely isn't top 5 at his position. Arguably top 10
Have a discussion of great offensive players and defensive players 3 on 3. Love your content, thank you all.
What analytics is he referring to that show Scottie pippen was better defensively than Hakeem!? Dudes just be saying things
I like this dude’s answer on interfere vs perimeter defense. Whether it’s easier to guard the interior or perimeter is dependent on the defensive scheme. You can’t just say one is harder than the other cuz it’s not that simple.
Scottie at no point could guard 1 thru 5, this dude is delusional or just a Bron stan hyping up Scottie for the GOAT debate. Scottie couldn't guard legit Cs and PFs. He could only guard 1 thru 4 if the 4 wasn't a legit scoring PF or undersized. Karl Malone and Barkley ate him alive in the low post.
Kobe, shaq, bird, wilt, bill, kd, bron, curry, Hakeem, Kevin Garnett, Giannis, Kareem, Mike, Tim, dr jay, kawhi, karl Malone, Moses Malone, zeke and dirk. id all say are better
All those aren't even debatable. Then you could with some debatable arguments of like 20-30 players
Giannis too
I would rank Scottie top 25-40. I won't lie he is a better defender than MJ bec of his flexibility and what he does on defense
Now ask yourself this question...if the roles were reversed and Pippen had to handle the offensive scoring load and MJ had to primarily focus on defense how would that turn out for Pippen?
@@asundelgun3487
See the season after their 3rd championship...
@@beery6659 Scottie Pippen didn't primarily focus on just offense. He focused on everything.
Kobe is a mirror of Jordan but not close in quality either
People that don't give Pippin the love and his props don't really understand the game and really don't know basketball
I hate how ppl think Scottie couldn’t put up points .. Scottie avg less than 20 shoot attempts in years with bulls really less that 18 but he still was avg 19-21
Shutup Vaughn
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 that’s all you can say .. but am I wrong ??
@@williamvaughn4418 yes
Since when was Scottie Pippen ever a better Defender than Michael Jordan? I do not understand where is this narrative came from 😂
Go back and watch Scottie as a Bull going up against Kobe Kobe was murdering Scottie go do research
Pippen admitted it himself Kobe was giving him trouble
Stop with Pippen slander! Scottie was the second best player on a team that won 6 rings in 8 years.That by default puts You at all time high ranking,plus he was top noch defender and amoung firsts point forwards in a game.Scottie Pippen is top 25 in my opinion.
No
no he's top 40, and once the next 10 great players from the league no retire Pip will be top 50
Low knows nothing about basketball he just critiquing everyone argument
This is utterly ridiculous. They should have a discussion with wise men and historians before they make statements like this.He said give 1 player, I'll give 2 Alvin Robertson and Dennis Rodman.
What’s low talking about it’s still dominanted by big men in the race for dpoy. Every year after 92
In the 90s was primarily bigmen on the ballot outside of 97.
Jordan,Kobe,Bird,Kareem,Lebron,Magic,Hakeem,Duncan,Curry,Shaq,Nowitzki,Robinson,Russell, Malone,Wilt,Ewing,Durant,Giannis,Jokic,Oscar,Moses,DrJ,Wade,West this are players just from my head who are greater then Pippen.Barkley was better player too
Scottie didn’t win it because a dpoy is a bunch of journalists who don’t know defense. Surprised none of these guys mentioned that…Here’s a paragraph straight from the Chicago tribune in 94 -
“Pippen, who did not finish among the top three in voting for Defensive Player of the Year (won by Houston's Hakeem Olajuwon), selected by the media, received the highest number of votes for the all-defensive team, selected by the coaches. Pippen ranked second in the NBA in steals with an average at 2.93 as the Bulls defense allowed just 94.9 points per game, lowest in team history. What about the disparity between the media award and the coaches' award?.."It means y'all don't recognize talent," joked Pippen.”
Funny how you take a dpoy off the team and their defense is bettee
There is exactly ONE group of people who has Pippen top 20. Its the fans of a certain mf and ya'll know exactly who I'm talking about.
If you add modern players to your 50 greatest players of all time list then pip damn near falls closer to the number 50 if not out of it.
Yeah, if you’re dumb.
Pippen should have won DPOY 1995...He led in steals n also was literally doing too much that year before Jordan came back. You need to have watched him that year. Charles Barkley, Chris Webber etc called him the best player in the league that year. He was so dominant that year, losing a lot of games cos there was no support till Jordan came back but trust me all the players in the league knew he was the man that year
In 1995, Scottie was the best player in the league? The dude that led the Bulls to a 34-31 record before MJ came back? Stop the bs. The reason other star players were commending Scottie so much is because they all were trying to poach him for a potential trade. The Bulls nearly traded him during that season. The Suns actually got tampering fines because Barkley was going after Pippen hard, Pip even wanted to go to Phoenix. GM Jerry Collangelo outright said he wanted Pippen on the Suns. How we forget such important narratives.... smh
@@QuestionEverything562 Come on now, I just expressed how they were losing a lot of games cos he was doing too much, that in no way diminishes what he could do on the court as an individual, his confidence that year ( which was the major difference that separated his play from previous years) and how he literally dominated his one on one matchups one way or the other. Last time I checked basketball is a game of 5 on 5, there has never been a team with a winning record that was accomplished by 1 player alone. So don't talk about how poor the team was doing, talk about Pippen as a player in 1995 one on one with others. Hope this helps express my point.
@@dwisdoms Scottie was on TV pointing at his Air Jordans and wishing MJ was back lol. He was not that impactful that year, thus their very average barely above .500 record. Scottie was not a good leader without MJ's presence. He lost that Bulls team spiritually in the 94' playoffs with his cowardice and cry baby antics in Game 3. He was never That Guy.
@@dwisdoms Doing too much? Where was his 30 ppg average? 21 ppg is enough? If Scottie is That Guy or the possible best player in the world in 95', then 21 ppg is not gonna cut it.
@@QuestionEverything562 This will be my last post, hopefully you get my perspective. He was doing too much as in literary leading the offense and defense of the team as well as being the point forward. He literally led the team in every statistical category, that should explain itself. Of course he needed help and had been asking for it , like I said basketball is never a 1 vs 5 but 5 vs 5, so no matter how good you are there's a limit to how far you can take your team without a good support system in place. People always talk about 30ppg etc, Scottie put up a lot of that when necessary that year but his assignment has always been playmaking and defense before scoring. Go watch the game against the suns that year he got 35 on Barkley n dominated the game once he was switched to defend Charles, watch the game against the Bullets in March he dominated the whole game scoring 30, watch the revenge game against the Mavs, ( he was going for 50 in revenge against Mashburn but was mysteriously not allowed by Phil to play the 4th qtr, he got 36pts in 3 Qtrs, dominating all ways) watch the games against Charlotte they lost some but close and you can just see his dominance in all the games, against New York , Christmas day and Jordan's return in Chicago it was Pip dominating, against the Lakers he had 40 at home close loss ( almost single handedly won the game) 34 in win at LA ..it goes on n on bro. I'm in my 40s n watched these game's not talking based on stats sheets ok.
This is funny. Jordan was a better one-on-one, lockdown defender than Pippen was. Pippen could move his feet really well and was long and tenacious, therefore he was quite versatile as a defender. He played excellent team defense and had good hands.. definitely one of the best perimeter defender one the 90s, and all time. But that's where it stops. He didn't win DPOTY because he didn't deserve it over other candidates. Flat out. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Scottie is top 40-45. As an individual talent there are tons of guys better than him.
LOW A GOAT.
OG knows his stuff too (even though he was unnecessarily hating on MJ that one time with some inaccurate facts here and there) But overall I love how these guys know their stuff.
I appreciate my man pulling for Scottie as well. But I feel he was off about bigs being favored. They were but for good reason. The game was played mostly through the paint offensively so at that time rim protection definitely trumped the perimeter. Now today would probably be a different story. Being a versatile wing defender is much more important than it was back then but the key is still versatility coupled with rim protection. How to stop the most valued shots. Embiid, Giannis, and AD when healthy are in my opinion the absolute best defenders in the league year in and year out because of that versatility.
Lastly yes, Pippen did A LOT including deflections, defensive WS and leading the league in steals but remember with Robinson and Hakeem it wasn't just about their 3.5 to 4.5 blocks per game. They could also get you around 2 steals too! Killing everyone else in overall STOCKS AND defensive WS.
There is about 15 guys now that are better than Scottie
😂😂😂 facts bruh
The "6 and 0 in the Finals" is RESERVED for Jordan. Nobody else gets that credit, not even Russell who went 10-1. It's just buzz words propping up a fake status.
Russell won 11 titles in 13 years, every actual fan knows that, except you I guess.
@@QuestionEverything562 Perhaps, you should read the comment again....
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 No, I am just saying you are wrong about Bill's Finals record. It is 11-1, not 10-1, I understand the essence of your message though, even though it is shortsighted.
6 and 0 in the finals is a team achievement. MJ have a losing record without SP.
I have Scottie at #37 all time
that's fair
Awards are so overrated. The level of play is what matters. I can’t stand when people use MVP/ DPOY in arguments
Every truly all-time great has them. So how can they be overrated?
what shows up on the stat sheet is with pippen holds any scorer below their average.
I'll say this. Pippen is just as important as mj was because if it wasn't for his ability to guard 1-4 bulls don't win as much because jordan had trouble with smaller and bigger offensive minded guards, and big scoring wings. phil jackson knew this which is why pippen used to guard MJ's man 60 percent of the time because jordan gambled defensively ALOT.
What good big did Pippen guard with any success? Having the ability to guard someone is basically just being a body without production.
@@asundelgun3487 I saw alot of Scottie pippen and he can be put on 1-4 whoever was hot and pip would make them disappear in the forth. Then Mike would have all that energy Because pip was guarding his man 😂
@@asundelgun3487 don't have to be all game. But seen him do that too.
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"Your defense on Magic Johnson changed the fortunes of the series." - Phil Jackson to Scottie Pippen on his defensive efforts against 6ft9 Magic Johnson in the 1991 NBA Finals
That’s cap with kawhi off ball defense
Yeah he’s judging Kawhi’s defense now to Scottie’s in his prime. If you watch Kawhi’s off ball defense in his defensive prime from 2014-17 it’s crazy.
@@Chillboyhaad And his off ball defense is even good now and a professionally recognized basketball analyst even said that kawhi has still been a top 10 wing defender overall since being in LA and is a good off ball defender on the clippers and was on a whole nother level off ball in san antonio mainly due to his motor, so, i don't know what this guys watching when he analyzes kawhi.
@@yrnquin1560 Yea overall I would say Pippen was better but the guy made it seem like Kawhi was a bum off the ball which is delusional. Kawhi has some of the best off ball denial in the league.
I wish low and OG would stop coming on this horrible platforms they just be saying anything
We all look at basketball differently so I think it just comes down to how you view it and what you prioritize. This generation looks at scoring as the end all be all and unfortunately because of that we've lost the importance of great on ball defenders, great off ball defenders, great role players who did what they had to do in order to solidify a role for themselves on teams or in the case of Scottie was to defer to Jordan when it came offensively and be that complimentary player he was.
Scottie couldn't score 30 a game
Not even close
Forcing charges is like steals ;)
With Ticket being here this is easily the greatest line up to ever be on the panel!
Being known as Scottie Pippen while playing with MJ is a feat in itself. The top 10 and even 20 is biased toward offense.
MJ elite defender 90% of his career, Lebron elite defender 20% and good defender 50% of his career, Kareem elite defender most of his career, Bill 100% elite defender, Wilt great defender, Larry good defender, Magic decent defender 50% of his career, Tim elite defender, Kobe good-great defender... that's 9 guys in the most peoples top 10
@@bobbyd1632 LIES LIES MJ never was the best defender. Scottie and rodmen was 😂 lebron can gaurd 1-5 BETTER THAN MJ.
@@bobbyd1632 scottie was the playmaker and better all around player than jordan. ASK PHILL JACKSON. Stop the nonsense.
@@coreythomas3633 sit down man, you’re embarrassing yourself
@@coreythomas3633 yep Bron guarded Jason Terry so well didn’t he haha
This guy is smoking rocks. Pippen is not a better defender then hakeem . Stop it.
It’s unbelievable. Rodman same thing. 2 DPOY. Could guard the perimeter and post.
10:57 He does not appreciate versatility because Hakeem was every bit of versatile as Pippen on defense. In addition to leading the league in blocks, I think he’s the only big man to lead the league in steals. Pippen has led the league in neither category.
How y’all let him lie about kawhi
What did he lie about? Kawhi at his best defensively what a guy who could only guard his position great and was below average help and off ball defender. When u ever see the Spurs put Kawhi on a quick PG or a guard like Steph who runs around picks? NEVER. Again, he was a great defender AT HIS POSITION ON BALL.
@@jmar5127 not true spurs kawhi was great against small guards and was crazy on the passing lanes and blocking shots
@@jmar5127 lol you go straight to curry. Now he did cross up kawhi with a v-cut
Pip is top 50 all time, arguably top 30
I think Scottie is a Top 50 players, I think Scottie is a top 3 defender ever in the NBA. I disagree that interior defense is harder than perimeter defense.
Rodman not a post defender????? What he did with kemp and Malone, worthy in his younger days. Pft. Lol
SP averaged 23 8 6 2 when MJ didn't play. And continued to be an elite defensive guy.
He ain't ever average 23. His career high was 22. Now go look up MJ stats when Pippen didn't play...
@@asundelgun3487 Oh no! He typed 23 instead of 22 😂
@@theallknowingtreestump 22.8 in there playoffs that season
So as the 1st option, he went up by 1FGA per game from 1992 - he went up by 1ppg, 1rpg and dropped by -1.5apg
He was legit a top 5-6 player in the league in 1994 (top 3 NO) I give him that
reality is Pip had a ceiling as his teams 1st option
@@bobbyd1632 Why are you even talking to me?
Comparing Scottie Pippen to Draymond Green is the ultimate disrespect. Draymond is really overrated.
Magic Johnson average 19.4 ppg 12.5 apg and 7.0 rpg for regular season 1991
Magic Johnson average 18.6 ppg 12.4 apg and 8.0 rpg in 1991 Finals
*Scottie Pippen did not "shut down" Magic Johnson in 1991 Finals. that is a MYTH*
he held him down by
- 0.8 ppg (down)
- 0.1 apg (down)
+ 1.0 rpg (up)
Magic Johnson had basically the same average he had in regular season.
making a player score less than 0.8 ppg than he did in regular season is not "shutting him down"
Wilt averaged 30 ppg career in regular season for his career
Wilt averaged 18 ppg in Finals going up against Russsell for his career
THATS what it means to "shut someone down in Finals, NOT by 0.8 points !!*
0:32 Shawn Marion.
Gary Payton got defensive player of the year to help sell his new shoe -
Cap, Draymond is a better defender than Pippen, WTF are we doing!?
I got him as a top 22 player of all time
Phil jackson said alot of wat fyf said thats facts
One of the roughest watches in a while
Let’s see… in no particular order LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, Bird, Magic, Curry, Durant, Wade, Oscar, Russell, Chamberlain, Isaiah, Elvin, Moses, Iverson, Dominque, Dirk… I can keep going but who are you taking out and replacing with Scottie. Take into account his years without Jordan as well.
Scottie Pippen is not a top 20 player of all time smh. That's crazy...
Scottie was bigger then Jordan and hands came down to his shins so thats why he was a valuable defender plus he was fast for his size and those god given ablities made him more versatile on who he can guard where Jordan couldn't guard people who was bigger then him all the time cause it would wear him out hints why they switched pippen on to magic in 91 so it that sense he was needed in that dynasty
Please stop with this Shannon Sharpe made up story of Jordan couldn't guard Magic and therefore Scottie had to. That's a false narrative.
They always say Jordan needed Pippen he did the Jordan nuthuggers wont give him credit they say he wouldn't have won what did Jordan win hes 1-9 but the Jordan nuthuggers will completely ignore that i really wish he didn't play next to Jordan when they was winning championships. Jordan got all the credit it doesn't matter🤦♂️
😂no one ever ignores it everyone knows that it takes a good team to win wat Jordan fans don’t agree wit is that mj somehow wouldn’t be able to get rings wit another star. Ppl act like this is a shaq and kobe or wade and bron type of dynamic and it’s not. Scottie took 3 years just to reach a low level all star caliber. 1-9 but in their first 3 years in the playoffs Scottie averaged 15,7,4😂first series together pip averaged 10,5,2 0.8stl 1.0blk mj that series averaged 45,6,6 2.8stl 1.3blk. Cuz without the rings mj is arguably the best to never win one in Scotties case without the rings he’s not top 50-75
Dontress Jordan didn't need Pippen just a decent cast around him. He could have won with a number of different players
@@christiansoldier77 facts mj and Ewing, mourning, or if u wanna talk wings mj and clyde or gp would’ve had similar if not more success
@@Jc-ly6pe Yeah that was a big man era and the bulls never had a big man worth a damn . If Jordan had Ewing the bulls would have won sooner
Stop with the 1-9 narrative. Jordan led the Bulls out of the 1st round with Oakley as his number 2. Pippen was a bench player who didn't even make a All-Rookie team. Pippen gets credit as a number 2 just like, McHale, Worthy, Dumars, Gasol etc. The 6-FMVPs speak for themselves
Bro Marz just came in trolling out the gate
What FYF Sports look like Martin Luther King Jr?