House of the Dragon Season 2 Episode 3 Discussion w/ Fantasy Haven
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2024
- Welcome everybody! Today I'll be discussing the third episode of House of the Dragon Season 2 with Fantasy Haven! I'd love to hear your thoughts in the chat, and while you're there, be sure to like the stream and subscribe to the channel. Also feel free to superchat!
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1:29:18
“Rhaenyra looks hot as a nun.”
- Fantasy of house Haven, first of his name, the King in the North
A lot of those nuns were looking kinda fine not gonna lie
Putting the Fantasy in Fantasy Haven
there's the only king i mean to bend to
RIP Bracken twink. We hardly knew ye.
To try to clarify some confusion here. The greens feel like the dragon pit incident was a loss for them because it happened right under the green's noses during Aegon's coronation. In terms of politics any time your enemy attacks and you aren't able to defend or prevent it, it reflects badly on your rule is perceived and will make people think "Well if he can't protect himself at his own coronation then he is weak, doesn't deserve respect, isn't fit to be king in the first place." and when you're fighting a war of legitimacy you don't want to give any ground when it comes to what people might think.
On the subject of the green council advising not to have dragons follow their army, their argument is one of escalation prevention. If they use their dragons they are guaranteed that dragons will be used against them risking the lives of their dragons and riders. The issue is it will be obvious when either side uses their dragon as anyone will be able to spot them shadowing an army and thus they would have to respond with their own dragon and a fight between dragons is an incredible risk since their own leaders are the ones riding them and if they lose even one it could mean a total loss of the war.
The concern brought up that their dragonless army would be attacked by a dragon is that if they did then they'd respond with their own which I'm guessing is what is going to happen because of Baela's stunt they're going to message back and call for support which is how we're going to have the escalation at Rook's Rest that results in what both sides were hoping to avoid.
When Coco Chanel said, "a woman who cuts her hair is about to change her life," she was preemptively talking about Crispy Cole. 😄
😄 Definitely
The only reason Rhaenyra managed to sneak in KL unscathed is because her name is Rhaenyra “Targaryen”.
If her name is Rhaenyra “Stark” or “Martell”, her head would have fallen off immediately.
Don’t see how people see this episode as boring. We don’t need dragon fights and battles every episode. They touched on good points and set up for what’s to be a helluva episode
I hope we see Lady Jayne Arryn see the dragon Tyraxes and be slightly disappointed even though Rhaenyra technically kept up her end of the bargain
I'm sick of being edged by this show and not showing Sunfyre. The most beautiful dragon to ever live.
Or Daeron
When they said let’s go to the dragonpit I got so hyped and then aegon changed his mind 😭
Stfu team green gooner, you love it 😅 (I also await Sunfyre, really hoping they do the most beautiful dragon that ever existed justice)
I love how ripped Aemond was because he’s described even as a baby as “half as robust as his elder brother, but twice as fierce”. And you also get the sense that Aegon is a little softer, like Viserys, in terms of body type, but it really gets to the point that Aemond could kill his brother easily-if he wanted to. Just like everyone always (accurately) said about Daemon and Viserys. The thing is that Aemond’s trauma from Aegon is much deeper and compounded by Rhaeneyra’s sons’ involvement. So Aegon needs to be very careful because if Aemond decided to kill his brother right now, he would become king, since Maelor has not been born yet according to the show.
On top of that, I do subscribe to the Aemond and Maegor parallels. So it’s not out of the question that Aemond could kill Aegon, sort of like Maegor did to Aegon the uncrowned, and then marry Jaehaera (unless they introduce a certain book character, who I think was introduced this episode) and then we have Aemond fighting to secure his claim.
i love the last scene although the circumstances how it got about are a bit out there but Some people dont like That Rhaenyra took such a risk but i actually love it she believes that it is worth risking herself to prevent a war before risking thousands of innocent men which makes sense with the song of ice and fire prophecy
So I'm not sure if you guys watch the after show called The house that dragons built, if not watching you definitely should as it's very informative. On that show they explain the reason they did not start the tapestry change until after episode 2 and it's because it would have almost been a spoiler if they had shown the funeral procession in the tapestry before they actually did the scene.
1:13:02 Alys Rivers: “Live Vhagar reaction is love. Live Vhagar reaction is life.”
The egg retcon is one of those things where the writers wanted to feel special and connected to such an important character but just goes against so much established lore that i’m not even paying it any mind. It didn’t happen.
I think they meant that by bringing a dragon, that pretty much guarantees any encounter will escalate into a bloodbath. If they make a move without a dragon the Blacks will be more inclined to respond in kind, not risk a unilateral escalation. It kinda makes sense, but I'd agree that the Blacks have no army right now, so the only thing they are going to respond with are dragons.
*spoiler talk*
If we assume that Otto and Gwayne die different than in the books (which makes sense imo), my pet peeve is that Otto would die at after Tumbleton, possibly even serving a certain poisoned wine. Because with all the dark things he does, I have the specific impression that Otto is _not_ selfish. He does everything he does for the benefit of his House and/or the realm (or what he perceives their benefit). You can clearly see this when he gets booted by Viserys, and when he gets booted again by Aegon. In both cases he absolutely _believes_ that what he did was _best_, and not for his own benefit.
The last scene was absooutely phenomenal could not imagine thinking this isnt one of the best.
i actually love the end scene i feel like it totally goes with Rhaenyras character as she feels its worth risking her own life at a chance at peace if it will save thousands of lives and she is always portrayed as somewhat naive so this being a desperate last plan makes sense not saying its a good idea on her part but the writing makes sense
It’s a little over the top how her and Daemon can just come and go from KL like gate guards don’t exist and it’s no big deal. It’s not like they’re the most wanted people in the country or anything 😑
@@fuckoffgoogle1657 that was kind of the point, though? We've had that reinforced since the first few episodes when Daemon snuck out with Rhaenyra. If you dress like royalty people won't think you are royalty, if you dress like a commoner, people won't pay you any attention whatsoever. And let's not ignore how in this Medieval society the overwhelming majority of people will only ever see their rulers depicted on coins.
You know what she could do if she really cared about saving thousands of lives?
Just seems blatant whitewashing of her character to hail her as the hero and the greens as the vilains. This show avoids moral complexity like the plague.
@@masterplokoon8803 I think alicent is really complex tbh but yeah i agree Rhae is a bit too good
Been subscribed to ya since last year (I think), but I gotta say im really enjoying your videos Quinn. Winter IS coming.
Fantasy Haven is on fire in this discussion episode
Very mixed about this episode, some really strong scenes and some really weak ones
39:51 the 2nd worst scene of the episode only saved by the dream sequence the rest was nonsense
@@mementomori771whattt harrenhal was one of my fav parts. I think most people like it, what didn't you like about it?
@@mementomori771uh wat? Harrenhal was the best part of the entire show so far
I could see Ulf and Hugh being brothers, and that’s how they connect as dragonseeds before heading to King’s Landing.
Also, Varys is clearly amethyst coded.
Aegon's friends are Red Shirts. 😂
5'8" is a short king? :o *cries in 5'5"*
I like bracken blackwood feud but otherwise the start was rough, Rhaenys-Rhaenyra and the rhaela scenes were kinda ehhh but the Harrenhal scenes were absolute peak i love all the new characters Gwayne, Alys, The Strongs! Bhaela was really cool
The end was beautiful but i dont like the circumstances of how we got there, very season eight (the end didnt justify the means)
You might be shocked at how many weirdos love that last scene, I even know a person personally who loved it and I'm so disappointed in her
@@Captain_Insano_nomercyLol grow up mam, Not sure what’s weird about enjoying a scene that was setup and will have payoffs for future scenes, It’s almost like it’s how story telling works lol.
“Well why did she sneak into KL?”
Watch the show, Her whole character has been a naive wishful thinking woman willing to risk herself to stop a war she thinks shouldn’t happen.
“Well what if she got caught”
She was willing to risk that.
“Well what was the point she hoped to achieve?”
To figure out if she could stop the war, The main point of the scene was affirming to her that her father never passed her over and alicent lied, she knows she has to go to war now.
@thebeatleswin1 yeah, and just like the writers you wanted that scene so badly that you neglected logic to get there. I mean George didn't write this for a reason...because it sucks
My guess is that they kinda dropped the ball with Rhaenyra the Pacifist post Luke's death. If Rhaenyra remained a pacifist after her son was killed, what could possibly propel her to go to war? The only way forward would be if she knows she is supported by her father through and through and that her song of ice and fire is reaffirmed. They kinda supported this scene with Daemon vs Rhaenyra last episode. I still think this is incredibly weak though, and they should make a more clever setup for this.
1:29:17 I have to agree.
Valyrian steel armor doesn't just melt. In the books after Aegon the Conquer is burned by Balerion, Maegor takes Blackfyre from the pyre. There is a very plausible theory that spells and a blood sacrifice are needed in order to reforge Valyrian steel.
So ur saying we might get a half Valyrian human hybrid lmao
TBH I don’t really have a problem with rhaenyra sneaking into king’s landing
28:42 You cant use a nuke because then they will use a nuke too.
I would have loved the ending if was like a deleted scene or something. GOT has a couple of those that I really love but think they were cut for good reason.
I am very much enjoying the alliance between your two channels, hopefully it doesn't end with one of you brutally murdering the other.
Thailand is Switzerland? if you say so…
I feel like the only one who actually liked the last scene
I loved it. For so many reasons. I don't get why so many don't. I have a feeling it's a scene that will age well by the end of the season and beyond.
The scene is good in the sense of acting but its such a nonsense could you imagine like the faction leader of a side in a civil war that goes inside the enemy capital without any way of getting out like what is rhaenyra plan if alicent screams “guards” killing herself?
I liked that scene as well, gives more dimension to the conflict. And the way Rhaenyra's face just hardened at the end was epic. I love her acting, it’s subtle ( apart from the scenes with Rhaena 😅) I think it works in the show canon, because they've made Alicent and Rhaenyra have such a long history with each other, it makes sense that she knows Alicent and can predict her reaction. So in that light, it’s not far-fetched or season 8. Nothing has been season 8 level so far, which is a relief.
@@giulio11235Kill alicent and get caught, Said it herself.
Stupid? Yeah, That’s kind of the point.
Like I’m not gonna tell you to change your mind or anything, But yeah the scene was meant to show that rhaenyra was still being dumb and wishful, and the main point of the scene was to show rhaenyra realizing her father didn’t pass her over for queen.
Again, I think they way they set the scene up was a stretch and pretty dumb, But the conversation was super important and I liked it a lot.
I also loved it. It helped to reinforce the fact that the show is, in the end, a TRAGEDY. Things could have gone better at many points, but both Alicent's and Rhaenyra's pride prevented them from concilating. Doubly so since neither are truly in full control of the bloodthirstiest parts of their respective factions.
HOUSE BRACKEN DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!
Never change, Ser Aegor.
Got there dicks kicked in by a true noble house
This won’t make Shiera answer your ravens
*throws gauntlet*
@nont18411 thank you.
based
I want to listen but the audio difference between you you 2 is rough. The convo is great but Quinn sounds like he is in the very back of the room. Way far away. Hope you can work it out!
Turn off stable volume in the youtube settings
I think these two are the most interesting ASOIAF youtubers these days IMO!!! But their joint videos are difficult bcoz Haven speaks too much compared to Quinn!! Also; I find his repeated interruptions annoying. Sometimes; he just does not listen to Quinn's comments at all. His constant comparison of their channels is cringe & tired. Just balance the conversation a bit better guys; otherwise do your individual streams / reviews.
I hate Rhaenys. She is such a smug hypocritical character.
Same, and you gotta wonder: do the writers know we hate her? Do they kinda hate her? Because if they don't, then there are some major disconnects
@@Captain_Insano_nomercy I don't think the writers realise it. They just want her to be a stoic badass girlboss. And they have turned her into the worst character on the show.
Thank God that'll be resolved next week
@@realhillkell😂 or should I cry?
@@realhillkell Rook's rest 💀
Keep Rhaenys’ name out of your mouths. :(
Proceeds to slap chris rock