Europe: The First Crusade - Siege of Antioch - Extra History - Part 5
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After their victory at the Battle of Dorylaeum, the Crusaders have an open path to Antioch and beyond that, Jerusalem. After the Sultan of Rum, Kilij Arslan, ordered the wells destroyed along their path, the Crusaders struggled through the desert and eventually decided to split their forces. Tancred and Baldwin set off towards Tarsus and Tancred tricked the Turkish garrison into surrendering to him, but Baldwin claimed the city for himself and broke his oath to the Byzantine Emperor Alexius Comnenos. Tensions between the two lead to another confrontation in the next city, after which Baldwin abandoned the Crusade entirely and conned his way into becoming the Count of Edessa. Tancred meanwhile returned to the main force of Crusaders, who were besieging Antioch. When a force led by Bohemond and Robert of Flanders met Antioch's Turkish reinforcements on a foraging mission, they attacked them and scared them away. Then Bohemond tricked the Byzantine general into leaving as well, and threatened to leave himself unless the Crusaders let him keep Antioch. They had no choice but to agree to keep their forces together. With this assurance, Bohemond engineered the capture of Antioch: he bribed a Turkish commander to let them through the gates. The Crusaders massacred the people of Antioch when the city fell, but they had no time to rest after their victory: a huge Turkish army was already bearing down on them.
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So Baldwin loses, gives up, walks away, and ends up king of the very place they were fighting to conquer? That's pretty damn impressive.
+grfrjiglstan where there is a will there is a way
+grfrjiglstan broath > oath
+grfrjiglstan In all fairness, he didn't "loose, give up, walk away", etc. He had developed close ties with some parties within Cilician Armenia (the land where Taursus is located) and some of these parties wanted to change kings. They wanted Thoros, king of Edessa, as their king. Baldwin played fast and loose with these people's ambitions and plots and won the confidence of King Thoros, who thought "this guy's worth a lot if everyone I'm allied with talks wonders of him". Also, he was a Crusader, and Thoros and the local Armenians were Christians, and had the Turks next door...
So, yes, Baldwin was an impressive politician, but he also had the circumstances to his favour and was super lucky. He inherited Jerusalem by sheer luck after all.
+grfrjiglstan Goes to show that sometimes in life....dicks win.
+Ennio444 He apparently didn't want to wait for the old king to die either, it seems.
Watching these as a writer makes me feel depressed that I'll never be as creative and hilarious as real history.
âThe only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.â Mark Twain.
Just consider how many Deus Ex Machina happens thought out history. It's not that history is more creative, it just that that it's more insane
Justinian literally got two Deus Ex Machinas at the beginn of his West conquest...
A good story makes sense. Reality rarely does.
Human imagination would probably dismiss stories like:
- a guy using a stock crash to throw his rivals under the bus and take over his nationâs government
- a guy who was so rich he accidentally devalued gold in his nation and its trade partners
- a guy who is stupid enough to kill the ambassadors of a huge military state and gets his empire razed to the ground as payback
- an even stupider guy who rapes the wife of his surgeon and the wife of the general running the country for him (alternatively, a general crafty enough to take over the country and invent this story to justify it)
- a naval battle where a squadron of 13 ships faces and then drives off a fleet of 133, thanks to superior doctrine, a genius of an admiral and use of tidal currents
- an international plague so horrific that cities run out of coffins to bury the dead
- a guy who takes over a city that belongs to another guy, destroys it, and recreates it in his own empire to troll the other guy, before both guys get bubonic plague and almost die.
(and yes, all of these have shown up in Extra History)
@@bkjeong4302 What are 2, 3, and 4? I know the South sea, Yi Sun-Sin, and Kasrou (auto-correct hates his name), but not the other 3
Baldwin had some top-tier CK skills to inherit a kingdom.
+Zeredek It downgraded to that mostly to not piss off his bros.
+Zeredek
King-level county, since it was apparently as important as Tripli, Antioch and even Jerusalem. Tiers were not really important back then, it's later, during the 15th and 16th Centuries, that titles get hierarchical. THe Count of Tripoli could be more important than the Prince of Antioch. Actually, the only reason these titles were "Counties" or "Principalities" is because their first holders were counts (Count Raymond of Toulouse renounced his County of Toulouse, which was sovereign and super powerful, almost as much as several kingdoms around it, and created the County of Tripoli) or princes (Bohemond founded the Principality of Antioch but he was already Prince of Taranto), etc.
+Ennio444 depends, how men men where stationed for that holding?
I swear to God, the actual crusades would make for 10 good Monty Phyton movies
Thereâs also kingdom of heaven
Jack Geist yeah but thatâs kind of crappy and doesnât have much historical accuracy or humor
Yeah
I'd watched that
Fun fact, before Chapman's death they talked about doing a sequel to holy grail based off of the crusades.
I love how the First Crusade plays out almost exactly like the average game of Crusader Kings II.
Define "average"
@@heavystalin2419
3:53-4:26 is the epitome of any given CK2 game.
@@festethephule7553 you're missing out the part where the AI bullshits 10k soldiers out of thin air
nah fam this is some dnd stuff
Lol! He "heroically" locked himself in a building.
Brave Sir -Robin- Baldwin -ran away- locked himself in a building, bravely -ran away away- locked himself in a building
What a trecherious coward that Baldwin
Big O well. . .he became king of Jerusalem soooooooooooooooo?
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled,
Brave, brave, brave, brave
Sir Baldwin
Brave, brave Sir Robin, from Castle Camelot...
"Those Turks get a lot done in the middle of the night."
Just a Turk watching this in 04.00 A.M.
How do you even stay up that late?
They probably woke up early for the dawn prayer.
@@dk2.026 sterotypes...
@@dk2.026 As a Turk I can say that none of the people I know get up at 6 to pray lol yeah but there are some
@@Exodia.57 Y'all are secularized! Go back to Islam!
Why let a little oath-breaking get in the way of a good Crusade?
+Red Oblivion VERILY OF COURSE! DEUS VULT!
+Extra Credits because the best course of action was swearing a broath, not an oath !
+Extra Credits And thus a meme was born
True
+Extra Credits why let a little youtube get in the way of a good Crusade
The siege would have been much easier if they had Saint Attila's Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch !
(+2 bonus damage against bunnies)
+scarfacemperor Was the first thing i had to think about when I heard antioch
First shalt thou take out the holy pin. Then shalt thou count to three. No more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of thy counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out! Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Robert Faber One, Two, Five !
+scarfacemperor Three sir!
+SkeinChug THREE! -Hallelujah, cue massive explosion-
3:56 holy shit, BD just went full CK2
So true
+Bram06 hahaha yes he did xD
+Bram06
I'm more of a EUIV player. I never got to understand CK2. But if that's what you do there, shut up and take my money
Omer Zohar you can marry a king or queen, have a child with them, kill them, and then you die and play as your child who owns both countries.
That makes you wanna give your money?
Wow! How ironic đ
I know most of it is in the writing but there are some many moments in this piece of history that would make for a great comedy of errors.
In the drawing too
+Talowolf I agree, for a brief moment I was wondering if this was actual history or a forgotten Monty Python script! :P
+c4blew Why not both?
YouÂŽll have to ask one of the Extra Credits guys to answer that question! ;)
6:57 there's Walpole!
he realy was realy every where
Does this mean that Walpole is immortal and has lived for centuries?
+patu8010 Of course. And after discovering his true calling as ruiner of economies, Walpole spent the last centuries doing it and is now behind the shadows calling the shots at Fed and ECB. He's also been known to spend some time in Greece these last few years...
+patu8010 He's probably with us even to this day, probably doing shenanigans all over the world
+Matthew the Earth Adept Now I'm imagining a series of find-the-person books called Where's Walpole?
"...He ends up becoming King of Jerusalem."
WHAT!?!
Damn, talk about lookin' out for number one.
And once again, the most appropriate soundtrack for this series would be Yakety Sax.
+Rabbit Cube I've probably heard that song 100 times but I never knew what it was called.
+Rabbit Cube Bring out the trumpeters!
+Rabbit Cube
This playing while they sack Antioch. Oh boy.
+Rabbit Cube Now I absolutely *have* to mute this and try that!
+Rabbit Cube I had never heard the name of the song, but I immediately thought of it being that when I saw the comment, it's just too fitting! ^,^
This is one of the most brilliant (yet interesting) introduction of the First Crudade.
Most "conventional history" don't even bother to mention the role of Byzantine Empire in the First Crusade.
Why let pettiness and office politics get in the way of a good Crusade?
6:55 Why let a little time travel get in the way of a good crusade?
6:58 one of these guys reminds me of someone...
+scarfacemperor is it the british guy from the other episode?
putridspit yes, it is Walpole.
It was Walpole.
+scarfacemperor IT WAS WALPOLE!!!!
+Dave Quinn IT'S ALWAYS WALPOLE!!!
Byzantines: You gain "Dishonourable Scum" Causus Belli Against The Crusaders.
Turks: You gain "Dishonourable Scum" Causus Belli Against The Crusaders.
Crusaders:"You gain "Dishonourable Scum" Causus Belli Against The Crusaders.
Antioch: a city founded under Alexander, made great by Rome, fortified by Justinian, and made humorous by Python.
Funny fact :when Stephen of Blois came back home, his wife Adela (William the Conqueror's daughter) was so enraged that he had abandoned the Crusade that she shamed him into going back to the Holy Land to finish what he had started ( and probably to let her go on running the county of Blois all alone) . He died in the Holy Land. I suppose she was the one wearing the chain mail in the family đđ
6:57 WALPOLE!
+notbobby125 HOLY CRAP! your right
it was walpole
Dan: After a little over two years of just blinking at notbobby, thexman8888 charged his replies, as none were spared from their ruthless humor
Walpole? Walpole!?! WALPOLE!!!
Walpole was the real person in charge of the crusade!
DAMMIT WALPOLE DONT ABANDON THE CRUSADE
So, instead of General Winter, the Muslims had General Desert...perhaps the worlds greatest generals aren't even human after all.
+Auron3991 That and the Crusaders and going around in Heavy Metal Armor while the Muslims have Knights and battle attire fit for the weather.
Aerunn Allado And Hitler's armies took incredible damage from the Russian winters because they didn't have the proper gear.
I was just making a dry observation about the human tendency to underestimate nature's effects on battles.
Auron3991 Yes true
Well, General desert lost.
The holy land was retaken, the crusade succeeded.
Get it? "A DRY observation"? AH HAH AHAHAAHAHA heh *cough* I'll just see myself out now.
One mysterious stranger began telling the crusaders that these were signs that-
It was Walpole, Walpole made everyone abandon the crusade...
6:55
6:58 I believe Walpole in ropes throughout time is to be Extra History's retribution for the whole South Seas Bubble thing.
Thank you so much Extra History for helping me study for my college History final
God damn it, Wallpole.
6:58 Get back here Walpole! Who's gonna finance this thing without you!
Baldwin...what the Hell?
Yes! There's Walpole!
3:24 THAT'S MY PEOPLE Y'ALL!
* remembers what they are talking about *
*Nope, that's not us*
can you do a series on "The Three Kingdoms"?
+John Le I second this. It'd be a great topic for this series.
+Imperiused I would love to see them show Liu Bei for the asshole he actually is and give Cao Cao some much needed cred back.
+Terence Trinh I do love me some Cao Cao
John
Sounds like a good idea, also a mini-wish of mine from these guys!
6:57
Of course Walpole would try to slink off once the going got tough.
Baldwin is the Frank Underwood of the crusades.
What? No Holy Hand Grenade references?
You know what'd be fantastic? A series on the War of the League of Cambrai. A plan for the Republic of Venice's painless extermination becomes a grueling conflict of allegiances flip-flopping like a pancake on Saturday morning. It's glorious.
This is my favorite extra history to date!
Seems like your typical EU 4 multiplayer game
I really hope you do all (if most) of the crusades. You guys are just so good at telling it.
I like Robert of Flanders. Good guy!
Coolest cat in the group.
every time justinian shows up in a cameo i get really excited
I can't believe the things happening in the crusade đ
This is, without a doubt, the most chaotic and ridiculous stretch of history covered by this series so far. I'm constantly shaking my head and rolling my eyes watching this. I always knew the Crusades were a mess, but this....man.
This. This is the best part of my week.
Daaaamn, Baldwin. That's some cold stuff there.
7:50 Bohemond always has a plan
Shoot wrong extra history series
this is one of the few channels I feel produces great content on CZcams. I almost want to wait a month for all the seris to be released
Totaly love you guys! Thank you for these videos.
I love this whole Extra History series!!! Personally I look forward to these every week.
I was thinking though once this whole crusade series is done why not edit it into one long doco?
I'm not really much in the know of how Extra Credits releases their video's but it just seemed like a good idea :)
Fun fact: the word 'Jihad' is equivalent in its use to 'Crusade' in both its literal meaning 'holy war' and its metaphorical meaning 'a struggle to achieve a certain goal.'
pop5678eye I can literally do jihad by studying.
Jihad means is "struggle"
Jihad mean devotion to god, not holy war mate, get the fax done
intruder music/gamer that devotion can manifest as an actual war. Fighting to protect yourself for the sake of God is jihad for example.
@@boygenius538_8 Warlike Imams use self-help terms the way Republicans use words like 'freedom'.
6:56 It's good to see the bishop get his men back in li-oh wait, it's just Walpole.
thx for posting the music! i think you guys have a great taste in music
I kinda want to know what Bohemond's amazing plan that defeated the second group of reinforcements *was* now. Maybe in the "Lies" video you could expand on that (please)?
6:58 there is Walpole draged back to crusade by bishop Ademar
I love these history videos. Sorta wish it had its own channel
Honestly you guy are the only reason I'm passing history class
I've just been watching this whole series rooting for Robert of Flanders
Walpole you thought you could slip away 6:57
This series is AWESOME!
Thx for making european history interesting
5 parts in STILL NOT IN JERUSALEM (were close but still :L )
+Leppstyle1- 2- 3 Jerusalem will be over pretty much as soon as its role begins.
The poor city won't know what hit it. (That'll be where the "epitome of horror" mentioned at the end of this video will come in)
+Titan360 Yeah, though I'm not sure why they're calling it "the epitome of horror". The conquered city was put to the sword pretty brutally, sure, but that wasn't exactly uncommon by standards of warfare at the time. I'm guessing EC bought into the religiously-inspired historical accounts, and will describe the butchering _of a sacred city_ as somehow inherently more butchery than your standard run-of-the-mill butchering.
SockPuppet80
Nope.
That's not it.
Not if they're thinking about the things I'm thinking about.
Fun fact: Antioch is only a little ways North of Jerusalem, and was the place the word "Christain" was coined.
However, something's going to happen to the Crusaders in between Antioch and Jerusalem. Keep watching.
Ohhh, you're thinking of Maarat? Yeah, that could be what you're referring to. I don't know why I assumed they meant Jerusalem.
SockPuppet80
Possibly. From what I've been told, they aren't actually out of Antioch, yet. The Turkish reinforcements will besiege them, locking them into Antioch, and they'll find out just what a good job they did starving the city out.
That's when all the stress, starvation, and religious zealotry will come to a head, and the highly symbolic hallucinations and apocalyptic delusions begin.... oh, and also the cannibalism.
Every time I watch these I want to play Act Raiser. Love these videos.
That âdo your bestâ Cub Scout graphic though lol
I really love your historical series Extra Credits, been following you guys since total war Rome 2, you do great work and please keep it up, however I would like to point out (for the purposes of further improving your crusade series) 2 mispronounced words, 1st word being "selchuk" not "selyuk" and 2nd is "killij" (using the I sound in the english word "kill") not "keeleej", anyway thanks and as always, keep the videos rolling in :D
Maybe it's the way he said it, but the night owls joke killed me.
This was great! Why couldn't my history teachers even come close to making history this fun to learn? You guys should eventually get into the world wars.
The thumbnail of this video should be a meme honestly.
Itâs that funny I could think of several ways to use it as a meme
Baldwin actually did contribute to the main crusade, sending arms and horses and siege weapons to the siege of antioch. The story I heard about baldwin is a little bit different, Baldwin was actually made co-ruler with thoros to be the Edessian rulers, and then there was a conspiracy and Thoros died and now baldwin was count of edessa.
6:58 - It seems that some problems you can't bribe your way out of.
Man these episodes never fail to make me laugh.
I LOVE THIS CHANNEL (THE HISTORY PART ANYWAY)
I see WALPOLE, he must be a time traveler.
Well, the Broath is broken.
6:59: Walpole spotted. So that really is going to become a running gag, is it? Awesome.
All the extra credits videos are the perfect background when WoWing.
"Throw the Holly Hand Grenade of Antioch!"
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Needs Details. So many interesting details are hinted but not present. Stop teasing me.... What was Boemonds Plan? Why would the lesser knights like him more then the rest? How did Bowdin get away with it? Why did the crusaders just let him go. The earthquakes, comets and stuff.. why were only the crusaders affected? Shouldn't Turks also have some beliefs. How are so many crusaders surviving for so long when there is nothing to pillage? What are the Turks doing in all this time between sending armies? Why would anyone from Antioch accept bribery when they know the crusaders will kill them all??? Argh this topic is way too huge for 1 show. Should have split it like Justinian and Teodora and go into the juicy details... There is so much drama in this story that I feel had to be cut out.
+Joue Mushin then look it up yourself. :)
+Joue Mushin Lots of questions there... if you refer to the second time they defeated arab forces rescuing Aleppo as far as I know it wasn't really a trick as much as good tactics: he stopped the arab forces just with all the crusaders cavalry, in order to avoid the risk of moving the entire army and get assaulted by the Antioch garrison as they turn their back on them; overnight he moved the army near the bridge where arab forces were headed and forced them near the lake where they could not maneuvre and their number was useless, at this point the antioch troops stormed out of the gates seeing that the crusaders had moved but it was too late: the releiving forces were routed and Bohemond could attack the garrison with the entire army. But perhaps there was an actual scheme going on that I don't know about.
Dunno why he was liked by the lesser knights, but he seems like a cool dude, perhaps it's that. LOL
You should totally check out Baldwin story by yourself though because I would not do it justice, it is so much fun. And they let him go because why not? It's not like they needed him or they hadn't enough problems to worry about.
You do know that mobilizing an army in medieval times was earlier said than done, do you? They were preparing the armies to send!
+Joue Mushin Look up Real Crusades History, it's a channel devoted to the crusades that I found.
+Joue Mushin It would make the episodes way longer than they're supposed to be if they go that deep.
Also, they've said that the main idea behind the series is to make people more interested in history, not teaching history per se. Most of the stuff here can be found in places like wikipedia anyway. They simply make these stories more interesting with pictures so we can look them up later on, but still give a nice summary of all the events to those who don't research it later.
The fact that you're asking questions like these shows that they're doing a great job :)
***** +Dj84JA2
I gave a look to this Channel and you know... while being more interesting and insightful than lots of other historical channels it does feel like it is not immune from bias, in a more "revisionist" sens. Don't get me wrong: I am ALL for destroying false myth about history and it is very important for us not to think about any historical event in a "evil vs. good" way. However it does seem that he goes the extra mile by romanticizing very often the crusaders as misrepresented and misunderstood a thing that is very coomon in revisionist history. And yes, there are more omissions and a more "generic" retelling of history in Extra History videos, but this is not meant to be an deep study of the crusades as much as it is simply an "educational" video. While I have higher expectations from a dedicated channel such as Real Crusades History. But, you know... historiography is far from being something without personal opinions.
Was there anybody even slightly competent or willing to actually do their job? This is quite amazing and I love it
6:58
of course, we cant forget Walpole of England
6:57 it was Walphole!
you know as a child i was taut of how noble the great crusaders were but this. i mean even for war and conquest these guys are fucked up in the head
+dvore may Almost every army in history has raided and pillaged a lot. The only reason the Crusades are bashed so much these days is because they were religiously motivated.
Ni C
Because there has never been a war between two countries who were not Christian or Muslim. Even before those religions existed. Only peace until Jesus showed up.
+Ni C I guess stupid is an Olympic sport now.
no because be they murder thousand of there own allies and territories before even getting in to enemy territory and most lacked any loyalty to there cause that what i was getting at
+dvore may Now I wonder where you live if you were taught, that crusaders were noble (other than the fact, that they were nobility of course). We have never gone into details about any of the crusades, but we were taught, that they were a bunch of douchebags.
6:55 So now we know that the crusade was all the scheme of Walpole.
I love these videos !
6:45 wait, what? Aurora, that far from the poles? Is that even possible?
6:55 guess who? yep, everyone's favorite time traveling economic trickster!
waiting patiently for the next episodes
i'm really enjoying this series
I knew Walpole was behind this somehow!
Robert Walpoldl at 7:02. I C U Extra Credits.
Bro really great videos!!!
This is narrated so funny! I'm gonna DIE XD Love the series!
They should've used the holy hand grenade of Antioch, the crusaders never would've beaten them then
wasn't crafted until the 2nd Crusade.
Boemond: The Walpole of the First Crusade.
your vids are soo good
keep it up
Can you please do the 30 years war next? This is a really awesome series :D
what's interesting is that Antiochian Eastern Christians praise Saladin but curse the crusader when the reflected this history
But what was Boemond's brilliant plan for the second relief army?
Great vid
wow the backfire on Antioch's rebuilding thanks justinian
Bishop Adhemar fast plan to regain God's favor, "which is a pretty clever way to improve morale and solve your supply problems." Hahahaha! That was great! ;-)