Tamiya Extra Thin Cement And Tamiya Airbrush cleaner - The Truth
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- Tamiya Extra Thin Cement And Tamiya Airbrush cleaner - The Truth
So we test the Theory That Tamiya Airbrush Cleaner and Tamiya Extra Thin Cement are the same product and do the Same Thing!! Cement plastic Together!! Tamiya Cement is a go to product for Model Kit Builders so its only worth testing the theory that tamiya airbrush cleaner can glue plastic parts together just as well as tamiya extra thin cement...
Have a watch and let me know if you would use Airbrush Cleaner to glue your plastic parts together, leave a comment below
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Tamiya Extra thin cement
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I grab a bottle of Tamiya Airbrush cleaner and a bottle of Tamiya Extra Thin Cement and see if the Ingredients in the bottles are the same and if the airbrush Cleaner will cement parts together.
Since the video I now know its 50/50 mix with the cement and 51/49 mix for the cleaner
Have a watch and let me know if you would use Airbrush Cleaner to glue your plastic parts together, leave a comment below
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only snag is £8.99 delivery! not a great saving, I'm going to check ebay and some other shops I think that delivery charge is really steep.
@@sorvad99 i see 3.95 delivery.. check amazon for your own country by selecting it in the options
@@MOS6510Models I'm in the UK and I followed your link the only postage option I can see is £8.99 I don't know if I'm doing something wrong? I can only see this one and another for £24.56
@@sorvad99 Wow.. Looks like the cheaper sellers have sold out.. People must be buying all the stock lol.. give it a week and the price will go low again.. the company i bought from was froom italy and they had 30 in stock :when i did the video and now arent showing in the choices...
@@MOS6510Models Everyones seen your video mate :D
"Flowery,sort of sweetness smell"?
Dude,you have taken the sniffing glue thing to next level...🤣
it was a whiff.. promise
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I noticed the chatter over this a few months ago and jumped on it. One tip! Don't throw away your previous Tamiya cement bottle. It is glass and will last forever. Keep it and use the airbrush cleaner bulk bottle to refill it!
and if you add bits of used sprues you can make "sprue goo" to help fill in gaps and put models together better
Hi, it’s 51% 49% on the cleaner and 50% 50% on the cement. Just print off the data sheets (a legal requirement as toxic) and it shows they are the same. So yes one does get nearly 6 times as much so just fill your empty cement bottle and it’s cash in the bank!
Bob
England
here is my recipe for thin cement, which works exactly like Tamiya....
50% lacquer thinner + 50% Acetone
this will have much less odor than cellulose thinner/ lacquer thinner on its own, and less odor than Tamiya thin cement...
the acetone facilitates fast clean evaporation, with some solvent power, the lacquer thinner is the stronger solvent that melts the plastic.
enjoy ;O)
@@AAWOLFE-zc6ly does this really work ? how many kits have you tried this on ? Im really confused what to buy at this point, airbrush cleaner seems a perfect bang for buck
Thankfully I can buy this in France 👍🏼
One of the few perks!!
Saw the chemical breakdown of the two compared. They were 'near' identical. Not exact but so close its safe to call them the same. I forget which was which and the exact molecular designations (actone, Butyl ect) but the breakdown looked like this 49-51 / 50-50 basically just 1% difference in the mixture
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I tested this recently on some model parts, and it works!
Good to know Mos! Thanks for sharing. Happy days and model on! 😎🇨🇦
Thanks! You too!
Great video , thank you for sharing. Hope you and your loved ones have a great/safe week. Cheers, Tony
thank you.. you too
I'm going a step further and ordering the chemicals from a local supplier. 50-50 Butyl Acetate-Acetone.
Thanks for the visual confirmation!
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Great video. Must admit, this had passed me by somehow (and I spend too much time on modelling forums). As someone who swears by Tamiya Extra Thin cement, I'm totally sold! I was just about to order another bottle, so you saved me money just in the nick of time.
Glad it was helpful! link to buy it on amazon in the description
I honestly don't know why people bother buying airbrush cleaner. You can buy 2lts of cellulose thinner for about £15 and it cleans anything.
Which brand? How much can you verify it can blend toy plastics together? (Asking as someone working with lego.)
@@Brabbs I was talking in terms of cleaning your airbrush, not bonding. I can't get hold of the Tamiya airbrush cleaner in the first place to try the bonding aspect.
@@BrabbsMEK is what this Lego builder uses for gluing together big builds in his job
Methyl ethyl keytone?
My dad used to get me that feom his work when i was bur a wee nipper starting out!
Tha varnished bar stools at their home still wear the battle scars of an MEK spillage... 😅@@h.cedric8157
Great video. I've heard this before, but never tried it. I guess it's time to order some Tamiya Airbrush Cleaner. Thanks for sharing. Have a great day. Jeff
link in the description if you want to buy some :)
Hi MOS, 1001 Hobbies has this in stock at present for £11.99, more expensive than Amazon or eBay but you get it quicker.
Can't believe they are exactly the same but seem they are close enough to work! Very interesteing!
worth trying it out for yourself :)
Great video, naughty Tamiya!
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well that was an eye opener, great tip to save some money
Certainly will have a bottle of airbrush cleaner on the shelf
Nothing beats the smell of 70's Pactra cement. (C-ment)
great video and information,have a great weekend my friend
And you my friend
I bought my bottle here in Oz not long after it came on the market and first thing i thought was the smell was the same as the glue..makes a great brush cleaner too and burns out any paint in a airbrush that's for sure another good airbrush cleaner/paint cleaner is the one made by Life Color which came out on top of a round up of cleaners here on the 'Tube a while back
Interesting!
Thanks for this... I never knew that.. well ive heard about it but never seen it work..
Glad to help
Some modelers use MEK (which also contains acetone) as model glue. For airbrush I use cheap hardware store lacquer thinner or Acetone. I don't dip the rubber seals in this stuff. It will deform and destroy them. I will order a bottle of Tamiya airbrush cleaner and repack it in a extra thin cement bottle. Thanks for the tip.
Good lord! That’s extreme and hazardous as hell. I’ve seen MEK do some nasty stuff to vinyl floor tiles. I’ve never left footprints in a floor tile before someone tried using MEK as a floor cleaner.
@@williamaycock579 I use MEK substitute, which is acetone and ethyll butate, and it works great. You can put it in a oil syringe for oiling gears and it works GREAT!
Mek is not containing acetone. Its a chemical component in itself as is acetone. They may have similar characteristics but are not the same or an ingredient.
I recently picked up a bottle of Tamiya Tool Cleaner. After watching your previous video I gave that a go. Guess what? It worked. Caveat: I think that it may work as Quick Setting cement rather than the regular Extra Thin cement. I'm not certain about that, but the liquid evaporated VERY quickly. I do know that I couldn't pre-apply it the way you demonstrated, Mos. I'm also unsure about the difference between the Airbrush Cleaner you have and the Tool Cleaner that I have.
Good stuff
You Just SOLD ME 🏆🏆 God Bless You 🙏🇺🇸
yeah works great
Yep, I use micro thin cement to clean the paint leftovers on my desk. Works perfectly!
Me too ;)
Recently they seem to have gone up in price a bit and are increasingly hard to get in the UK - probably because people realised they can use it to top up their more expensive Tamiya extra thin bottles. The cheapest I can get one delivered is around £20 including shipping.
I did have a look about for any other similar products that were cheaper or more available though, and one that looks promising is Mr Hobby Tool Cleaner. This also appears to be a mix of butyl acetate and acetone, but I found it for around £14 delivered for a 400ml bottle. That works out at
I'm going to pull the trigger on some and see how well it works - I'm at a hobby fair tomorrow with lots of trade stands so hopefully one of them has a bottle - if not though I'm going to keep an eye out for other similar products.
Yep that tool cleaner is on my bench now as you are correct the price of it has got steep
Yup, I am ordering some now, and deffo would not leave it in the airbrush after cleaning it, I'd flush with IPA then clean water last, but that's my OCD. It should also be good for removing my nail varnish 🙂
What would be the point of flushing out the airbrush cleaner with alcohol and then water? That really defeats the point.
Very interesting. I wonder if the other airbrush cleaners you mentioned would have the same effect? Thanks for the video.
Good question!
If you look at the MSDS Sheets the products are for practical purposes identical, its just the airbrush cleaner is 51%/49% vs 50/50 for the Extra Thin
yes so not the same but works none the less
@@roarexenllol
Work and hobby mixing.
If you glue up, before fitting the parts together, use normal Tamiya cement.
The Extra Thin and Airbrush cleaner, is used by capillary reaction, hold the parts together, and add the Extra Thin / Airbrush cleaner to the small gap. This is only for use with pats that fits perfect together.
If there are some gaps, use normal cement.
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I have never used Tamiya Airbrush Cleaner. I have the Vallejo Airbrush Cleaner. I also use the Mr Color Tool Cleaner. Now that stuff is amazing at cleaning your brushes. They probably have the same ingredients. But I will be sticking with proper cement.
Good to know!
Good to know
There has to be a scale modeller out there somewhere who could do some analytical chemistry to determine the actual chemical composition of both??
I know how to do it but don't have access to any of the hardware for the analysis.
You just need the data sheets.. its 50/50 and 51/49
thats it
yes, it is exactly the same!!! it sticks just as well, plus savings 😊
50% acetone + 50 % ethyl acetate
Yes! Thank you!
It's Butyl acetate in the cleaner and extra thin. Ethyl Acetate 40%, Acetone 40% and 20% MEK is what's in the extra thin quick type. Where I live although some chemicals are regulated you can still get a liter of acetone for around £2 and Butyl acetate for £10. That makes 2 liters of airbrush cleaner/extra thin cement for £12. Ethyl Acetate is around the same £10 and MEK around £20 that would make 2.5 liters of quick type for £20 with some MEK leftover. And yes I've done both and they smell and work the same as the Tamiya ones.
@@kamui004 Yes, very good recipe ! MEK (Methyl Ethyl Ketone, MEC or Butanone in France) increases the viscosity, we obtain a glue like that from Revell. Properly store, for not very expensive, you can make liters of glue for years !
@@oveiron_prime True however butanon (mek) is carninogenic so I would avoid using it too much.
I would buy it. The MSDS sheets do say one is 50/50 while the other is 51/49. Basically they are the same.
agreed
Interesting! I wonder how many other products out there are virtually identical - i do find it frustrating that some of these products don't tell you exactly what is in them, merely that it "Contains" this or that - I'm convinced that Humbrol Clearfix is the same as Bostik general purpose glue, but just in a glass bottle with a 100% mark up . . .
I completely agree.. we know humbrol paint is rustins...
Great video
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Never thought of that, over here the price of the cement is 6 euros and the cleaner is 11 euros...
very interesting. I wonder if the capillar effect (putting parts together, then apply glue (cleaner)) works too.
yes it will do.. the consistency is the same
It works because it’s the same stuff. You don’t need to wonder about it.
They work the same way because they're the same thing - a 1:1 blend of acetone and butyl acetate. There's no mystery and there was no reason to test it. Just look at the Material Safety Data Sheets.
acetone and acetate have different densities. measure cleaner and cement's weights in same volume. if they weigh same, then their composition is identical. if there is difference, then tamiya uses different ratio to mix them.
only 1% difference
By the way what is that little plastic brush thing you use to apply the glue ?
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Interesting 🤔
I hope this is not too obvious a question, but I was wondering do you need to clean a paint brush if you use it to apply the thinner, and if so, what to use to clean the paint brush?
It just evaporates
@@MOS6510Models Great. Good to know no cleaning required. Thanks for prompt response!
Well ain't that a kick in the pants....great video.
just proved a poit.. the glass bottle with brush might be wear the value is..
😅 luckily it does work. I got a bottle recently, but havn't tried it yet.
got a good supply then for a while :)
I have used it just fine here in the states.
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Nowt wrong with being careful with the penny's. When I need some more extra thin,will give it a go
worth a shout
I’ve posted the sources for the MSDS twice to reinforce what the video says and it keeps disappearing. Is there a reason for this?
links are blocked in comments to stop spam and illegal sites being posted
Thanks mos for the info were did you get that brush I want one 😃
Which one?
@@MOS6510Models the brush you used to apply the cement
Hey mate, what kind material is that brush made of?
im not sure
Nice....a cheaper way to make sprue goo instead of the expensive stuff :)
Very true!
I heard about this before and I like the idea very much, but there's a much cheaper method. I use plain acetone (1 litre, 5 €), fill it into an empty Tamiya Extra Thin bottle and add Styrofoam ("fluffy" styrene) till I got the consistancy I want. Of course, you want to use it carefully, because acetone could "eat" the styrene parts. The styorfoam helps with welding the parts together and makes the acetone less aggressive. One litre of acetone is 25 times the amount of one bottle of Tamiya Extra Thin. So I save 120 €.
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so does the Styrofoam replace the Butyl Acetate somehow?
@@leovaeg No, the styrofoam simply dissolves. Plastic cements are usually mostly made of acetone and styrene (styrofoam). The more styrofoam you add, the thicker the glue gets. I make mine thinner than Tamiya Extra Thin and apply it with a 5/0 round brush. The bond is stronger than with the Tamiya glue, but I haven't found out why yet.
Acetone is cheap. But MEK and Butyl are expensive. So. Acetone.
This will actually adds up overtime to a decent amount of savings, enough to buy a brand new model kit if you build a lot.
If you build a lot you clearly can afford model kits and tools :)
I don't actually believe there's any difference in the composition. A single percentage point is likely below the measurement error in the formula. I'm pretty sure they differentiate the composition on the labels only for legal reasons, otherwise they're bottled from a single source…
given that there are datasheets available and both products only differ by 1% to stay within regs? yeah theyre the same product, not the exact same due to that 1% difference, but functionally identical.
Can I mix generic Butyl Acetate and Acetone? I can get both cheaper then the Tamiya Airbrush cleaner.
I dont know
Think you sold me on it mate. Have heard bout this before. Never seen anyone prove it
Please share the video matey let others know
I had a really gummed up Airbrush (Needle wouldn't move) added a few drops of Extra Thin to my airbrush cleaner and almost instantly it all free'd up again, bit of a non cost effective way though.
Yep.. all the same stuff
If you buy Correction Fluid thinner (IF you can find it!@!) it also has the same ability to be used as a liquid cement with polystyrene parts. The difference between all 3 of them is the specific additives used in each, which varies. All I really care about is if it works at it's stated use. AND NOT if it is part of some "Giant Conspiracy" as touted by various idjits.
Nope there are no thickeners in those two tamiya products.. just two chemicals
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I'm not a model maker, but I do fuse PLA 3D prints. I just buy bottles of chloroform from a local acrylic merchant for 2 quid for 150ml.
Chloroform is a controlled substance in European countries and the UK. You need a license to buy it over here in any quantity.
If you really want to know, use atomic emission spectroscopy to find out the difference.
I buy 5 ltrs cellulose thinners and 5 ltrs panel wipe 15 quid each
so if the airbrush cleaner is the same as the extra thin does that mean it will make sprue goo like the extra thin?????
yes
aw man, if i know this sooner, i won't need to buy another extra thin cement bottle.
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The employees of Lego when building the large models and repairing outdoor exhibits at Legoland use solely MEK
Abiously acetone, butylacetate, ethylacetate, butanon and xylene that is often used in lacquer thinner is often used in plastic cements since they melt plastic. However its not the same even tho they have the same ingridients. Plastic cement has a thickener to it. Butyl acetate is the strong banana smell in the glue/cleaner I use Thinner nr 5 to clean my airbrush as its pure butyl acetate the best solvent and its not so dangerous.
Sadly you are wrong in regards to Tamiya.. There is no thickener in these products... they contain the same chemicals!
@@MOS6510Models They contain the same however have you seen how thick the standard cement from Tamiya is?
@@statoilbensin2190 yes but I’m talking about tamiya extra thin.. not the white cement from tamiya
so I can clean my airbrush with the super thin?
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Both products are solvent based, the Extra Thin works by melt action and fuses parts together rather than like a traditional glue which bonds parts together.
good answer
theyre the same product in 2 different containers.
You could go one further and buy acetone and ethyl acetate in much larger bottles and make your own?
Well, Butyl Acetate. Not Ethyl Acetate.
Will take this opportunity to remind everyone to be safe, make sure of proper ventilation, and wash your hands Nerds. What's the status of the closest fire extinguisher? (Reminder to check it)
I bought Tamiya Airbrush cleaner and when I smelled it I thought, That smell is familiar to me. It smells the same as the glue. and the packaging says "melts plastic" So I tried sticking a piece of plastic on another piece of plastic and it stays rock solid. and very quickly too. so now i have 250ml glue.
Yep my friend..
Alternatively you could just have compared the Safety Datasheets. That is where the 49 to 51 thing is coming from :)
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Checked Amazon - cleaner £8.39 for 250ml, glue £7.25 for 40ml. My orders in.
Yep....
After seeing this I will never clean my airbrush with this stuff. I have not kept my airbrushes like new for the past 40 years by cleaning them with glue. LOL I will however, buy this to glue parts with since it is a lot cheaper. Thanks for sharing this. Have a great week buddy. Terry
link in the description if you want to buy some :)
Im gonna clean my airbrush with it just to try it :) but i would flush it out with IPA after
@@MOS6510Models I was about to say the same!!
Then you completely misunderstand the point. Neither are a glue - both are essentially the same solvent. It won’t damage your airbrush. How do you think so many people use the Airbrush Cleaner with such success?
I use exclusively butyl acetate to clean my airbrush and its not a glue. Its used as ingridients in many different glues and paints. Its a nitro cellulose thinner and wont destroy youre airbrush.
@@timcampbell1830 they do recommend to flush it through before using it to spray.. i always put ipa in the cup when not in use and spray it out before adding thinners then paint
Glad it didn't take a day to dry like using future they used to say it needed to dry!🙄
Jman
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You realise that you won,t be on Tamiya,s Xmas card list after this revelation but expect to be deluged with them from grateful modellers who,ve saved a few quid .
is anyone on the list? lol
Should be able to get both of those in a Gundam shop.
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To save even more, just buy acetone or even lacquer thinner, whichever is cheaper.
Butyl acetate has a higher boiling point, so I guess it is in there to extend the drying time....
For cleaning purposes, definitely just buy the cheap stuff, whichever solvent that is used in the paint, whether water or acetone or cellulose thinner or isopropyl alcohol
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But only the super fast dry has that extra *spice* of MEK. It smells amazing 🥴
Haha true
Honestly, you could have just shown the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for each one rather than guessing, or going off what you’ve heard, or anything like that. It’s not a conspiracy, or folklore or anything like that. It’s verifiable.
This. Both bottles contain a 1:1 mix of acetone and butyl acetate. There's nothing to test.
i didnt have them to after the video.. one is in german but you get the jist surely that this is pushed out there so i ran with it and made a video
The MSDS (Sicherheitsdatenblätter in German) require only to include harmful or otherwise categorized material.
So if Tamiya research testet something like Green tea (or any other unregulated substance)in in the extra thin its possible that it won't show up in the MSDS
Not sure that I would try and clean my airbrush with the extra thin though.
i guess its kinda psychological isnt it lol
Save your money, go to your local hardware store and get a can of MEK Substitute, or MEK. (Methyl Ethyl Keytone) I have been using it for over 30 years.
Yes.. thats the main ingredient to PVC cleaner too
Does MEK glue the plastic by melting it? Is it like tamiya, MEK?
I clean my airbrush with acetone, around $7.99 a 16oz bottle, it does the job very very very effectively.
you can do even better than that Mozzie, 1 litre of methyl ethyl ketone for 12 quid! Not quite the same chemical but does the exact same job. MEK was, and still is sold as model cement (Slaters) - I grew up using the stuff.
Isn’t that product now banned?
@@MOS6510Models I don't know, both MEK and Slater's MEK are available in the bay and it's non-carginagenic as far as I know. Maybe some research is in order.....
@@MOS6510Models Looks like it is, yes - but it's still available for food use (go figure!). Seems like it likes to burn! MEK is also known as 2-Butanone.....
Now clean your airbrush with the glue.
i have done :)
just use the Tamiya cement to clean your airbrush, LOL
Good idea!
I’ve tried to post the MSDS information from the Tamiya Germany website, but that comment keeps disappearing.
They are not identical, but essentially so, to within 1% of each other. I've no idea why that is. Maybe it's more defensible to market them as two different products when they are recorded as being of a slightly different composition.
Tamiya Extra Thin (TET) cement:
i think thats why the cement can be be sold but the airbrush cleaner cant be sold in the uk...
Hi Tim - you are spot on the MSDS would show what chemicals are present, in what relative proportion. And it should dictate what they have to put on the label. The same two chemical entities. They'd need an HPLC to tell the difference between 51%/49% and 49%/51%.
Ok, the airbrush cleaner can be used as extra thin glue, but can the extra thin glue be used as airbrush cleaner!
To clean my airbrush I use Createx Airbrush Restorer. Takes averything away, no matter how long the paint is there…
I used Vallejo cleaner but if it’s really tough.. I use brush magic from deluxe materials
Well, yes, you can clean your airbrush with TET. It’s the same solvent. It’ll just cost you more.
you should of use the extra thin to see if it cleaned a cheap Air brush
I have and it does :) Video coming
Have you tried the Tamiya Airbrush cleaner and made sprue glue. Then see if it responds the same??
That’s what the video is about!! lol
I've used cellulose thinners as a liquid glue for over 25 years without any problems, tamiya glue is a rip off...
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Just go to local hardware store and buy a bottle of acetone?
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here is my recipe for thin cement, which works exactly like Tamiya....
50% lacquer thinner + 50% Acetone
this will have much less odor than cellulose thinner/ lacquer thinner on its own, and less odor than Tamiya thin cement...
the acetone facilitates fast clean evaporation, with some solvent power, the lacquer thinner is the stronger solvent that melts the plastic.
enjoy ;O)
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What's wrong with good old tube cement?😂
When building models to enter into competition, practically all my model buddies don't use the old thick stuff. It can deform small parts. It can ooze out of joints causing extra work to clean it up. It cures slowly causing parts to misalign. I learned this from watching the experts build their models. Made sense to me. Happy modeling! ✌️🙂
Long story short, it is the same.
They taste the same too
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And now you can't buy this stuff in the UK for love nor money.
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I think it's crap. Bring back the 1970 Revell glue