Marvel's Midnight Suns (Zero Punctuation)
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This week on Zero Punctuation, Yahtzee reviews Marvel's Midnight Suns.
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It’s OK then gets good then gets to be amazing. Very clever review but as you will see in the months to come this will be a very popular title because everything it’s well designed and empowering and fun…and ultimately as hard as you can handle. The resources are not live service crap at all, there are multiple activities that the player will want to take part of (in many ways the mythology works…Intel for vs Hydra away missions tor example). Enjoying the heck out of it and even the character interactions with the heroes get to be GOOD as time goes on (yeah, it’s biggest weakness but writing is pretty clever and represents the characters as well. Not to mention that EVERY hero in the game is good and true to their persona. 5 stars from the guy without a CZcams channel. Cheers!
I’m convinced someone on staff is making the outro ever so slightly louder every episode just to screw with us
I'm almost positive that there are only a max of two people in that chain, should your conspiracy pan out. Yahtz still makes the things himself, and the outro is almost old enough to collect Social Security in CZcams years. Nick probably reviews them before they go out, but I don't know if he's ever given Yahtzee any notes or direction, since he's such a well oiled machine at this by now. I'd bet money that, sent out at the same time, the only other person who handles the file would be whomever uploads it-which also might still be Nick. So if anyone IS screwing with us, it's propably Yahtz or Nick.
Fairly certain nick does the edit (given he’s been called nick the editor) but yeah I doubt that’s happening
Both the intro and outro are way too loud, but I thought I was the only one who noticed
@@jmurray1110 nick is the editor of the articles on the website. Like last year in an interview on another channel, yahtzee talked about how he edits the videos on his computer. I'm pretty sure he hasn't stopped doing the actual edit. Nick does review them though.
Although Marvel's Midnight Suns has proven an amazingly fertile property to do a ZP about, the accuracy of the art you found for a haunted action figure of Freddy Mercury stole the show for me.
Maybe he found the art first and has been waiting years for an opportunity to make this joke
What is ZP?
"Wait, how does this get me any closer to pegging Dr Strange?" is a good question to ask yourself before committing to more or less any action you might take
most actions get you closer to pegging dr strange let's be honest
@@TeacupTSauceror Do you think Doctor Strange would use his time eye to avoid any future scenarios that may end up with him getting pegged, however unlikely that outcome is?
"A mischievous seal at a water birth" killed me
Seal: OHAI
Mom-to-be: now dear… if you give me TWO MINUTES you can kiss him, okay? *DO YOU MIND?!* “
That's how my sister went 😔
And your newborn ghost has haunted the aquarium ever since?
The dialog in this game is what Marvel movies sound like to people who hate Marvel movies
Reminds me of how it took me a while to understand why so many people had that particular gripe with the MCU. I eventually realised it's because they were never massively desensitised to it by badly-written Marvel _comics._
@@Pineappolis arent badly written marvel comics way edgier?
This is pretty accurate. Personally I find just Stark and Strange unbearable here. Josh Keaton, the Stark voice actor was trying so hard to replicate RDJ and it comes off as incredibly forced, meanwhile Strange just... Doesn't have the correct Doctor Strange personality.
@@mutantfreak48 Oh, a lot of the badly-written ones, for sure, depending on era. Stuff like Ultimatum springs unpleasantly to mind. Part of what makes the absolute worst of them _so_ bad, though, is the sheer tonal dissonance of the embarrassing edgelord nonsense going on, the fact that everyone seems to hate each other and the fact that no-one will stop bloody quipping. Again, that's why it never really bothered me in _most_ of the MCU. The films generally skew light and the character dynamics are usually fairly earnest so it doesn't feel _as_ out of place that they'd be joking around with each other even when the stakes were high. Doesn't mean it can't get tiresome - I really do get why people mightn't be fans of the franchise - but, dear goodness, it could be a lot worse.
@@ajalferez5927 I've not played the game so can't really comment beyond saying that, yeah, that would definitely get on my nerves, too. There's plenty of ways to make Tony Stark work and trying to ape RDJ's version doesn't seem like a smart way to go even if you've got a voice actor who can do it very well. Doctor Strange, on the other hand, is... challenging to get right in most media. There have certainly been more understated takes on him in the comics that have worked well enough but, for me, he's always at his best when he's at a level of bombast that's only one step down from Doctor Orpheus in Venture Brothers. That, in and of itself, means he needs to be used quite sparingly, though, which presumably wouldn't really work with the gameplay.
The abelist slur frame might be the single funniest thing I've seen this year.
I missed that on the first pass, and I'm literally disabled. And you're right.
Ableism isn't a thing
“4-6 psychic damage” is absolutely genius wordplay
I saw this comment just as I started the video and was on the edge of my seat to see what the joke would be, it was worth it
@@jayarby8494 i don’t get the wordplay can you explain it ?
Honestly that description of hanging around with Blade sounds exactly how I would imagine it going irl. So at least they deserve a point for realism
Which is more in-character than Blade is in the rest of the game. He's more than a tad too quippy and happy compared to what his whole vibe is. And I'm not talking about the times where the game pokes fun at his emotional reservedness, that part is fine, it's how he feels completely out of place on a team that aside from him is a bunch of teens(as in, teens played by mid-20s actors on a CW drama aimed at teens). They don't even get the "is dark and broody and very defensive about how dark and broody they are" trope despite it being very common.
"Man I should've taken Spiderman mushroom picking in the haunted forest before we came out to neutralize this group of armed terrorists"
This is a magical line.
Between “Avengers Harem”, the Ableist Slur card, “Magic The Gathering did you eat all the wagon wheels”, and many others, this is unironically one of the all time funniest ZP episodes
How would it be ironically funny? It's a comedy based series.
Yeah. The fact that they made this game is a joke in itself, zp was created for this
Not to mention a cheeky little endorsement of Slay the Spire
Not to mention the always welcome Joss Whedon bullying.
The Joss Whedon part and the "12 South African rands and 1 Eric" absolutely got me
Well I hadn't thought about what a Zero Punctuation self insert fanfiction in the Marvel Universe would look like but now I know
Saying Tony Stark looks like a haunted action figure of Freddy Mercury, had me dying.
I mean, he does sort of look like that in the game.
How in the hell do you have a side activity that's playing cards, and have Spider-Man be one of the people who DOESN'T like it? Poker Night with the other NY based heroes was an iconic running theme in the comics!
Oh come on. Do you REALLY think Disney gives the tiniest of Tony Stark's shits about iconic moments for the audience?
@@ChristophBrinkmann No, not really, but I felt like venting.
@@ChristophBrinkmann Do you really think "Disney" was micromanaging the content of this game that thoroughly? Do you think "Disney" wrote the script? Is "Disney" in the room with us right now?
IIRC, The Avengers don't let Peter Parker play poker because the Spidey Sense gives him too much of an advantage
Just today Facebook recommended a panel in which Spider-Man was invited to play poker with the other NY superheroes and they commented about how they don't invite him due to his spidersense, just like they don't invite telepaths.
Best line I have heard in a while .... "wait how is this getting me any closer to pegging doctor strange." LOVE IT
The most surprising part of this review was that Yahtzee actually seemed to have a fairly positive opinion of Fire Emblem 3 Houses
Same. I liked it quite a lot but I really didn't think it'd be his thing.
@@Pineappolis I’m wondering if it’s for similar reasons to why he likes Persona.
@@SorowFame huh, didn't think about that but probably? don't know much about FE3H but the serious amount of voice actor overlap is a neat observation.
(Robbie Daymond singing fansong duets for popular P5 and FE ships with the other VA? Wild but I respect the commitment lol)
I think in his xcom came out he pointed out how it was basically what he wanted to do with fire emblem minus all the anime, insult or not it does indicate he like the core of the game
@@juannot1353 Christ, well-remembered, that was a decade ago. It was Valkyria, though (a series I haven't played), and the Fire Emblems of that time didn't really have anything resembling XCOM's base building layer. It is true that Three Houses captures, _to an extent,_ that same ludicrously exciting XCOM sense (it's a serious contender for my favourite game of all time) of having a ludicrous number of priorities to worry about (if you want to get almost everyone on your side and make them all unstoppable killing machines) that you constantly feel like you're one step away from ruining everything. The difference (and what I thought would have killed Three Houses for Yahz) is that _every_ decision in XCOM feels mission-critical, whereas a fair bit of what you do in Three Houses feels either like dinking around or, worse (in the case of the class-teaching element), important in the long but ridiculously incremental.
Of course, as I was thinking last night, it's possible he didn't take everything in Three Houses as seriously as I did, just sorted out the important stuff and ignored or auto-ed everything else, and thus didn't end up with _my_ biggest gripe with Three Houses - it quickly becoming absurdly easy. Given Persona 5 sounds a lot more elegant in its non-combat portions than Three Houses, you're probably both onto something.
You know, I've been watching Yahtzee since 2008, and I must say; "As good for immersion as a mischievous seal at a water birth" might be his best simile yet
Okay...this one was inspired. Best ZP of 2022.
Damn i haven’t check in on this channel in a while and i happened to click on this video and was holy shit this some gas. But now all comments are like this one’s the best one
Recency bias
The thing I would defend is the weird mish mash of the Occult and superhero stuff; It's quite common in DC and Marvel comics for those to overlap.
Spider-Man had dealings with Mephisto before; Ice Man been to hell and froze it. The Punisher was once Heaven's hitman; And one time was fighting monsters as Franken Castle. There are many many other examples but crossovers just became the norm in comics.
Hell, Justice League Dark. Enchantress. Even the MCU has its fair share of genuine magic now. There's plenty of supernatural superhero stuff.
"FUCK YOU! I'M TRYING!". Just summarized my entire life in one sentence. Bravo.
The people of Rapa Nui didn't cut down their trees to move the Moai. They likely cut down their trees to farm the land, like most farmers do.
The trees that grow there aren't really suitable for making logs for rolling, and some research suggests that they might have actually made the statues "walk" with a series of teams pulling ropes attached to the statue at various points. The current research about it is really interesting. I learned about it from the Fall of Civilizations youtube channel.
Next you'll tell me that lemmings don't follow other lemmings off of cliffs, that it was all staged by 'documentary' filmmakers employed by D*sney.
I love when previous-era people do impressive stuff and our Great Smart Advanced Modern Professors are like "Wait, how did they do that?" It's always good to remember there are things we don't know or understand, and that we can still get stuff _wrong,_ even with all the fancy mahogany bookcases and prestigiously accredited universities and tenured senior lectors in the world.
A man who's convinced he understands, is a man who will notice very late (or never) if he turns out to be wrong.
@@hazukichanx408 Honestly it's a good practice that any time there's been any research regarding an ancient people that wasn't from Europe where the current historical narrative was established before 1983 to assume that it's probably severely incomplete and the researchers had on racism blinders.
@@SavageGreywolfAnd even when theyre from Europe still blinders. Just xenophobic and then add classism into that.
the image of captain america asking Magic: The Gathering if it ate all the wagon wheels is such beautifully absurd comedy i love it
As a Fire Emblem fan, it's nice to be acknowledged
With this and the Astral Chain video one day we might actually convince Yahtzee to review one some day.
I never expected Yahtzee to mention 3 houses, much less give it something that could be interpreted as compliment without also bashing it. Big day for annoying people like me
Yup... time to start bugging him to do a review
This video is hilarious. And honestly does make me wonder why there hasn't been a superhero persona game considering it'd be about a hero that does episodic stuff for half a year and build relationships with other superheroes.
Don't know, but I'm all for it. Also a One Piece game with character creation.
@Rene Martinez which team members would be in it?
Midnight Suns does have a bit of Persona feel to it, honestly. Not a lot, but enough to recognize.
Ugh, plz no...
I legit had to pause the video to recover when you said "about as good for emersion as a mischievous seal at a water birth" .... that is gold
Holy crap at least I'm not the only one
I didn't pause, but I did have to rewind 30 seconds to allow myself to catch what I missed while guffawing
How did he come up with that one?
The Three Houses comparison is interesting, I thought he dropped 3H pretty quickly when it came up in his Astral Chain review. Wonder if he went back to it at some point
To be overly pedantic, the "Extinct Easter Islander's who cut down all their trees to make more stone heads" are more properly called the Rapa Nui, are still very much alive, probably didn't cut down any trees to make the moai statues, which were full human figures, not just heads (citation 1).
1. Hunt, T. L., & Lipo, C. P. (2012). The statues that walked unraveling the mystery of Easter Island. Counterpoint.
Honestly one of the best written ZPs ever. Been a fan for a decade and still, your writing continues to tickle
This is so funny and I am absolutely the Marvel fan happily enjoying my invitation to a very dramatic birthday party hahaha
I'm right there with you. Game writing is usually quite bad in general so it isn't as much a detraction as a lot of people think. I'm loving the game 90hrs in.
Just finished it this earlier this week. The campy cheesy dialogue works for me. Ironically the only person whose quips don’t work for me is Tony. Keaton is a good VO and I don’t know why he decided to go with an RDJ impression. The Blade subplot might be my favorite thing at the Abbey.
Everyone out here mentioning the best lines, and no one talks about how swapping the control scheme is “about as good for immersion as a mischievous seal at a water birth”?
3:00
Talking about Bibleman and Doki Doki Lit. Club in the same sentence (or at least in the same visual) is not something I thought I'd see today. Then again, it's a Wednesday, so gotta expectt anything.
I've spent a few hours in the game and I pretty much agree with everything here. It *wants* to be FE: 3 Houses, it *wants* to be Slay the Spire or Hearthstone, or any other card battler. It *wants* to be a cool and fun super hero video game. but it kind of just fails to pull it all together in the end. There's the skeleton of a potentially really good game in there, unfortunately that skeleton never leaves its parents basement and spends all its time working on its shrine to (apparently Dane Whitman/Black Knight)
Considering Dane was just added to the MCU, I’m not surprised they’re already preparing to over promote him
eh in most reviews and even in yathzee vid he praises the card battler part of the game, so idk what u talking about.
As someone who adores Marvel and XCOM, this was as close as my opinions have aligned with Yahtzee's in what seems like ages. Combat's great. Every superhero (even your self-insert OC) can wreck shop by themselves, but there are also some key party synergies (e.g. Strange needing Heroism for damage buffs and Nico generating a lot of it, or Magick's near limitless ability to reposition with portals to set up Spidey's endless environmental attacks) .
The open world crafting stuff is a chore and utterly meaningless (you can instead scrap cards to get the requisite resources instead, it's faster), and this is from a guy who enjoys open world faffing-about. The "dating sim" element I really could do without, except it's what gates the superheroes' special abilities, like Magick's free portal refills or Spidey's Heroism rebates.
I could've gone with a more streamlined version of this ala XCOM Chimera Squad.
“X-benedict”, now that’s just good clean fun
The characters might not be all that complex but they're all very, very adorable.
Honestly kind of love Blade.
Spectacular historical collapse reference with the Easter Island deforestation. Just finished a Uni class about civ collapse and it's neat to see the applications of teaching in funny CZcams vids.
X-cellent joke, Yahtzee. I couldn't stop laughing 😂👍🏼
Good review Yahz. Just wanted to point out that there's good evidence the Easter Island natives didn't cut down all their trees. The theory has moved on somewhat as it's much more likely the island was ravaged by disease after contact with Europeans (par for the course, sadly), and then there were successive waves of colonialism.
Actually, if the main character's backstory was multiple choice, that might have been more interesting. Not in the way you make the story before the game begins but have other characters comment on the backstory and let the player choose how to answer. Like maybe your stories of old weren't that fantastic or heroic as legends made them out to be or there's aspects of the story lost to time you can fill in. Shit like that at least makes the player more invested in filling this backstory the way they want it
"it's a card battler..."
*Spongebob getting up to leave meme*
Thanks, the X-Benedict gave me a good chuckle. I guess i'm in the age for dad jokes.
Yahtzee’s been saying card battlers aren’t his thing and he’s been avoiding them for like a year now and all of a sudden he’s really into slay the spire
Slay the Spire is just based XD
They must of threw a bunch of cards at him and one stood.
I can only play the Strength guy in Slay the Potato.
It's like how he hates JRPGs but really loves Persona.
It's possible that a game in a genre you don't like can still be just REALLY good!
As a South African, I'd like to say that the "12 South African Rands" bit was a nice touch.
What's weird is despite not having micro transactions it is built like it should.
I didn't even know Yahtzee played 3H fully, let alone liked it
After 30 hours of playing this game, I hate how accurate this is.
"Going Fishing with Blade" sounds like the best kind of 50,000 word fan-fiction.
Archive Of Our Own tags: Fishing Hole AU, Intense Hook Threading, Deep Pining Over Bait Tubs, Blade Is A Trash Waifu, LOLZ MY HEART
I know he won’t but it would be fun to see Yahtzees take on dwarf fortress
Never ever thought I'd hear yahtzee mention Fire Emblem!
Haha despite the avowed hatred of deck builders slay the spire got it's claws in Yahtzee in the end
"Which is about as good for immersion as a mischievous seal at a water birth".
When does Yahtzee get his Pulitzer?
Great Stuff, as always!
Love the writing on this one! stay sane, love ya!
"Mid-shite bums" had me rolling
Honestly, I'm just glad Yahtzee found 3 Houses to be "deep and pretty" concidering he skipped it the first time.
I mean yeah, Fire Emblem has gotten a bit too weeaboo-like with age, but it's still damn good storytelling and gameplay
For all it's faults, FE3H is very well-executed, and it now has the advantage of being compared to Engage, to which it is vastly superior and infinitely less weeby.
Slay the Spire is so much fun!
considering the ending, this might be one of the flat-out funniest ones hes put out in a while
'ang about, I thought I vaguely remembered Yahtzee saying Three Houses was too boring to get into. Where'd this praise come from? Have I slipped into a parallel universe again?
That's how bad this is, it makes three houses seem fun by comparison.
It's still boring. But not as bad as Midnight Suns. He didn't say it was good. He said it wasn't as deep or pretty.
Confused?
Over designed?
Silly in really weird ways?
Yep, sounds like superhero comics and this shit already owns a chunk of my soul.
I love the wolverine face stuck to the blob guys.
"...which is about as good for immersion as a mischievous seal at a water birth."
okay that one took me out
I think he actually kind of enjoyed this one. Definitely enjoyed the combat
The combat keeps me coming back to the game, it's top notch.
Yahtzee really had Strange on the brain.
As always, thanks for talking me out of spending my money on a new game Yahtz
Yahtzee just does not miss. These are still hilarious.
I love this game and hope there will be a more open world rpg sequel
Oh this should be a fun post ZP
That was a STRONG finish bro
"Ableist Slur card" was an absolute gem.
Bibleman got me good
'Spiderman's Ableist Slur Frame' oh so the Spiderman is from Spider Man Lotus?
"about as good for immersion as a mischievous seal at a water birth" 🤣🤣
Oh that ginger line and the pegging one really got me 🤣🤣🤣
This review made me feel better about life and my place in it
Oh no, triple a has finally figured out the right mishmash of conficting grab bag features with stuff like XCOM inspired combat Yahtzee actually likes to make his review sound almost more confused than blisteringly angry. They're gotten too good.
1:46 hey yahtzee, i don't know if you read youtube comments but if you do i'd suggest you to check out wildfrost. It's a neat little card battler sort of like slay the spire, except that you manage some minions as well and there is a turn timer mechanic so it's not just "you attack then enemy attacks". It's still in development but i played the demo during the steam next fest and i liked it so much that i didn't turn off my computer so i could play it for a few days after the demo period ended.
Holy shit that Bibleman reference is a deep fucking cut!
Funnily enough i love FE:TH exactly because it feels at time like fanfics and i love writing fanfics about the characters (mostly about them pashing)
You know there are thousands of fanfictions about a story or franchise that have some kind of special school. The FE3H, Harry Potters and My Heros of this world
@@stan_1999 I mostly avoid the HP fandom, too much bad luggages and memories, plus it's many writers first fandom and it shows with the amount of... questionable content.
MHA it's not bad tho, i like the fanon more than canon even.
Glad that you got into Slay the Spire. One of my favorites.
That Freddy Mercury comment almost made me choke on my breakfast. Brilliant.
Using a maleficent doll for Lilith seems like a good choice, from what I've seen she's as "generic evil sorceress" as they get in this game - I wonder if the Freddie Mercury one was intended or if it's just a moustachioed Ken/GI Joe or whatever...
Why am I thinking of little girls (or boys) dolls ? What have you done to me, Yahtzee ?
Bounced on my doctor's third eye to this for hours.
Marvel's Midnight Suns reminds me of that one youtuber playing modded Skyrim: "Is that a crab with a top hat?! This is too much for me. Come on, Master Chief. Let's get the fnck out of here"
Dunkey. An all time classic video that one.
Call 911, in paroxysms from 'what did you do to my barbershop quartet'
Hey, switching controllers can be great for immersion, gta on foot on keyboard an driving on the controller is fun
All right people make your bets! Will Yahtzee also choose the "Volume" hair option like most streamers*, or go for a ccccombo breaker?
*Yep, Amy did fall for that too
Seeing Fire Emblem Three Houses mentioned in a positive light despite originally never getting a zp-Did yahtzee end up playing the entire thing or just based the comparison off of the little bit he did play?
Some mysteries may never be solved…
I seriously hope to catch the episode on high on life I feel like it's going to be fun
I saw this game on steam, went to the steam page, saw you could already buy multiple versions of the currency and then put it on ignore.
another day another banger
This game sounds REALLY interesting. Damn, now I have to know more!
Get a one game gamefly subscription for a month for 15 bucks and play it. Can't beat that. Its pretty good
Watch the SkillUp review. The dating game stuff is absolutely terrible, but the actual gameplay is kickass. It is half a great game and half a terrible game.
@@mittensbro Eh, the dating game stuff is kinda funny. Like it's definitely not good but it serves as better framing for interpersonal storytelling than if it was just a string of missions with storytelling in-between as cutscenes. Actually running around with your character is a chill part of the gameplay, it's just not a very well-executed one. The map is atmospheric, but clunky and confusing in its design, the collectathon and mini-puzzle aspect is neat but again, too confusing and not intuively presented. You don't want to scour every single corner of the map because it's not very interesting but acquiring and upgrading cards, finding keys and chests, talking to characters, sparring, leveling up relationships to get combo cards, sending teammates on solo-missions, etc... it serves the same function as building your homebase in x-com and the game would be worse without it.
The idea is good, and it's better that it's there than not, but it could've been executed way better. The cosmetics/grindathon monetization is just plain bad though, all customizable options should be attainable by just playing the game casually.
I'd love to see your review of Valheim.
Very
Well
Written.
Man, is it just me or does the ZP intro and outro RAWK get louder and louder every episode? Bump it down 50% man! Could just be my shite hearing having to crank up the volume to hear the dialogue clearly though
Had to thumb up when he said "X-benedict", good stuff.
4:34 That's basically the meeting behind Genshin Impact. Except even more of a clusterfuck
Corporate brainstorm! Pass around the teaspoons and roll the bank notes
Everything he said is absolutely correct and the game is kind of a trainwreck but it's a FUN kind of trainwreck so it's fine :D
Quite a few times over the years I've found myself holding a mouse in one hand and a controller in the other one because it was somehow a better experience than trying to commit to one of the two input methods and their respective shortcomings.
On an unrelated note I'm now wondering what would happen if someone tried to design gameplay entirely around having way too many currencies but not as a cynical cash grab but rather as a legit core mechanic, would that just be a market speculation simulator?
This is how I played Lost Ark and it was an infinitely better experience than just choosing one or the other.
A game around balancing Currencies sounds like what the Sorting Department would need to do in games like Satifactory.
Sell this resource, buy that, bribe the space trucker to offland this to there for cheaper
The game and this description sounds so astonishingly bizarre I spent the entire first minute thinking it was some kind of April fool's Day joke
Nice how your image for dating sim was doki doki