More Rich and Mike's Top Ten TNG Episodes - re:View
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- čas přidán 18. 10. 2020
- Rich and Mike are back! This time they have another top ten episodes? Bottom ten? top 20 and this is the bottom 10? I have no idea what's going on. Let's just call it: Rich and Mike talk about TNG episodes they like.
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"Rich and Mike discuss every TNG episode"
Please. I want this so much...
I would pay money for that
AND TOS, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise.
I would watch it
I'd buy that for a dollar
Have you ever noticed whenever Rich is quoting anyone, he makes them sound like they're in a 1930s gangster movie?
Most people have just one "other guy"-voice.
I'd say it's more of a 1950s detective movie voice.
"You ain't taking' me in alive copper see? Because I got cripplin' diabetes, see? Nyah!"
@@andrewbaumann2661 that's when he's doing his sonny bonds voice, which is just really an imitation of cameron mitchell in that one BOTW rambo rip off they love. forgot the name
Richard G. Robinson Evans
Episode synopsis: After a questionable sexual encounter on Risa, Riker brings something back to the Enterprise and passes it on to the entire crew. Wesley saves the day by virtue of being a virgin.
o god 🤣
Oh, you mean Space AAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIDSSSSSS?
STD metaphor.
Total Chaste Chad Virgin
I never thought of that reading of the episode that’s amazing
"Riker should've blasted her" c'mon Mike, you know Riker blasted her
in the FACE!
Lol classic
"The language in the Darmok episode makes no sense!" - quote from a man who talks almost exclusively in TNG references.
@D. Maybe they could work out how to communicate by starting with very basic linguistic units - but maybe they don't want to. They don't seem to need anything from the Enterprise crew (if I remember correctly). They just want to make contact. Maybe for them, that means sharing their distinctive linguistic culture.
Neil deGrasse Tyson, hands in air.
While we're making difficult arguments: 20th-century-alien Lilith wanting to bone Riker is funny and good
all language is metaphor, the Darmod-Speak is no more of a maguffin than the universal translator
Yeah it's nonsense, but it's fun nonsense with a good underlying theme, as a big fantasy fan not just sci fi I don't mind a bit of colorful nonsense for a fun story, I still prefer shows don't throw logic entirely out the window, but the occasional window chuck episode in a stand alone episode doesn't bother me.
Rich Evans of the loud laugh, his hairline receding, his belly wide.
Mike Stoklasa at Milwaukee, his liver hard, his soul bitter.
Hahahaha
Bravo!
poetry for the ages
Someone needs to cross-stitch this and have rlm frame it
@Polymorphidz short of verse meaning of Shakespeare quill fluid authenticity true.
You know, I always thought that the reason the aliens seem to be speaking english in the Darmok episode is because the translator is, in fact, working correctly, but since their sentence structure is so odd, and apparently meaningless to outsiders, that the translation is worthless, because we can't understand the metaphors.
yes, i always wondered why they were using english words, but after thinking about it, it makes sense that they could translate the words but the words just had no meaning
I agree with that. Wasn't that there was no translator or it didn't work, their structure was so different that it didn't make sense
@@dash4800 But wouldn’t that imply then that the federation has made previous contact with them? And then wouldn’t they have been able to figure out how to translate their dumb language?
@@JRPennyPacker Can't. Too dumb
@@JRPennyPacker Likely there could be cosmic patterns in linguistics and their Federation linguists have discovered only so many ways to speak. Maybe the Tamarians speak a base language the same as some other space faring race
Mike and Rich's very genuine affection for TNG is infectious. I would love to see them chat about DS9.
Seconded, though I'm guessing it's not their favorite Trek show.
@@desmondd1984 Im just getting into RLM but I have heard complaints about Voyager, ENT, Discovery but none about DS9 in the times they have brung it up that I have seen.
@yadisdis oh yeah, I think they are fans, but their passion is TOS/TNG, and more "episodic" Trek.
DS9 is very good but it's a different kind of show.
Same here, For me Star Trek is epitomized as TNG/DS9. Where TNG establishes the premise and DS9 tests its limits.
Would very much like to see them do a "top 10" episodes of TOS. There's a huge wealth of great 60s TV guilty pleasure stuff in there but also some genuinely very well made and massively influential episodes. It also serves as the template for pretty much everything that came after it. So many classic episode formulas originate in TOS as well as the most iconic characters and species in the setting.
This video is evidence that Mike is using RLM to buy TNG props and write them off as a business expense.
"Their corruption has poisoned the platform. Honor will soon have no meaning."
Hey don’t snitch!
Earl Grey tea, hot, in every prop beer bottle.
Seems legit.
That ain't a crime. He's a *professional* TNG stan.
Watching Rich and Mike talk about TNG is strangely wholesome and comforting.
Exactly the feeling of watching Star Trek!
Damn it, you took my comment!
Because it reminds us of a time when some media was still made for people who aren't idiots.
@@Scott.Sandifer LMAO, kid... welcome to RedLetterMedia. Hope you enjoy all the reviews that praise recent movies and TV shows.
@鍾益飛 well, Rich does have a Mormon sister
As a kid I think I understood on some basic level that the writers never felt bad for Geordie being blind, and I think that translated to the character not feeling sad about being blind too. In fact I distinctly remember having the take away that he was lucky in some ways, being able to see things that no "normal" human ever could hope to. You could even go so far as to say that this translates to his characterization as a person who sees the value in crewmates that no one else does. He literally and figuratively sees more than most other people.
This, exactly. Sums up my take away when I was kid perfectly.
💜
A quote from my favorite TNG episode
Data: “Sir, Lieutenant La Forge's eyes are far superior to human biological eyes, true? Then why are not all human officers required to have their eyes replaced with cybernetic implants?"
Picard: Fuck you fine.
@Kodiak KDK-85X never considered it to that degree. Thanks for the kind comment!
and not to get on my soapbox or anything, but I truly think that's a wonderful message. in your 80's TV installment of a beloved franchise, having a blind character in your main cast and having that character never be defined by their disability is shockingly progressive. I hate it when media presents characters that have some form of disability as dysfunctional and miserable, their character revolving around their disability. geordie was never defined by his handicap, it was merely a fact about him and he still led a rich fulfilling life serving star fleet, and I think that's wonderful.
Preeten boy from 90s, looks up from computer screen, gives thumbs up to camera!
TNG is really missing decapitations and eye gouging.
Data got his head knocked off a few times. Now if only Ryker had his eye violently ripped out.
It’s actually missing unfunny Rick and Morty style humor
[Sam Neil scream]
Where we’re going, we won’t need eyes to see.
Don’t forget about excessive drug consumption and abundant expressions of suicidal ideation
This is the best Halloween present I could have asked for.
yo vinny
Hey! It's Vsauce, he's here!
BINYOT
Yeow!
Hey, Vinny.
"I don't hate Wesley Crusher....but Will Wheaton's a complete tool."
same tbh
He's not nearly as annoying as people who like him.
People like him? Shocking.
We need a Darmok language based on BotW references. "Lowblow, behind the wheel." "John DeHart, his tank top black."
1) something old, cheap, barely working 2) someone insane with enormous ego
Or RedLetterMedia references.
"Colin, dying laughing at osteoporosis lady".
"Neil breen, smashes laptop"
@@diccchocolate416 Niel Breen eating tuna. Niel Breen eating tuna in his car.
splendid idea.
"Stoklasa at the table, his BotW vote insane" (a common event or an expected outcome)
"Plinkett, his VCR repaired" (an impossibility)
I realized that the reason that Mike is more on board with a language built around metaphors is because Mike's first language is built entirely on Star Trek metaphors and comparisons.
Most underappreciated comment.
Mike and Rich Evans at Milwaukee
Jay's eyes wide open
A few examples:
Picard and Vash at Risa = love fucking.
Worf and Dax at DS9 = rage fucking.
Riker in da house = fucking.
I just love how between 51:00 and 51:30 Rich does a whole part of a convo by "memes" to kinda show how dumb the concept is but *entirely* proves how this concept works! We all get what he means *just* by stating memes, exactly like they did in that episode 🤣 hilariously ironic
Stoklasa, when Shatner blocked
I would happily watch a series of Mike and Rich just talking about literally every single episode of TNG and I've never even seen the show
it's on netflix, do yoself a favor
Just skip the first season
@@SpedeVesku Naah. Few episodes are really cool. What about Data and Tasha Yar fucking and Data's behavior afterwards? I was laughing like a baby in a candy store.
@@maxwellkazemba2299 I am half across TOS, when I get there I will be 40 but can skip anything, I don't do things like that... I hope I never get an interest in Doctor Who
And then they need to go over them a second time
i look forward to rlm's commentary on every single tng episode
They should make audiobook
This is the excuse I need to watch it a 5th time... who am I kidding, I will anyways.
I look forward to a tng ASMR video
This is the power of math!
I want both an RLM commentary and a Harry Plinkett commentary.
Seriously. Can this be it's own series? Just Rich and Mike discussing shit they like. After years of best of the worst it feels so good to have these two just geek out over stuff.
Good idea. It seems like the right time to let BOTW rest for a while and concentrate on enjoyable things. I've really gotten into watching Re:views here lately. Everybody is good at them and it's where Josh shines.
It’s really interesting to me. At heart RLM is a comedy channel…yet the insight they bring is just exceptional. I’ve never once thought, aside from contrarian Mike doing what he does, “that’s bullshit.” They’re just honest dudes. It’s refreshing.
I’d be terrified to have a beer with them.
replac
@@amelzon1 Rich talking about Geordie was so insightful (very early in the vid)
I can’t stand them talking about what they don’t like; they’re *delightful* when talking about what they do like.
Mike looks about 10 years younger when talking about Star Trek.
When talking about good non-Kurtzman Trek :)
Agreed...
I think Mike (and Rich) should/need to do a couple more of these TNG videos to balance the horrific, accelerated aging inflicted on them by the Picard episodes.
Smiling makes anyone look full of life. And TNG and beer is the only thing that makes Mike smile. Imagine if they made TNG Beer ...
@@WanJae42 Let's call it "Romulan Ale", just a thought. XD
He looks like Palpatine when they talk about Discovery.
Favorite Darmok moment is Picard's eulogy for the fallen captain. "The Tamarian was willing to risk all of us just for the hope of communication, connection. Now the door is open between our peoples. That commitment meant more to him than his own life." The comprehension and reverence Picard has for it.
Yeah and that final moment with the knife ritual. Beautiful.
@@BunkerFox PURE id on that man. And so impulsive.
"Remember Me" is actually such an insane concept, how a universe can collapse in a way that carries its own logic to the beings occupying it, no matter how absurd the circumstance. Like quantum horror.
O'Brien saying that he built ships in bottles was actually great groundwork for DS9. Thanks, competent writers!
Makes me wish any Star Trek series or movie had competent writers for the past 10 years
@@hayberdasher8625 star trek beyond isn't bad
@@SgtKaneGunlockI agree, but it was too late, and the director being known for the Fast Furious Family films didn't inspire confidence despite his actual love and enthusiasm for Star Trek.
Oh shit, O'Brien playing with Bashir with models in later DS9 seasons. Someone in the high ranks actually loved this franchise dearly.
My headcannon is that the "ship in a bottle" booby trap was designed for the Borg, who would never have thought to turn off all the tech.
Sold!
Nice
And Picard destroyed it, he really was still a Borg...
@@theorionproject6172 Booby Trap was before Best of Both Worlds. HACK FRAUD
@@SuperRetronerdthere's always one that has to spoil a joke/fantasy
The best part about 'First Contact' is trying to buy that Riker would hesitate to bang a new alien.
Well... I think he would've came back and fulfilled his promise had he been able to escape & get healed & back in a position of power first.
If you’ve watched Frasier (or Cheers) it’s totally plausible
The universal translator can decipher the syntax of the "Darmok and Jalad" language, but the aliens use some kind of deeply rooted cultural slang that pulls on important events from their history. That's why people from outside their culture fail to understand them. Rich really touched on this point when he said they essentially communicate using memes.
It's also not without precedent. Like I've heared people use local sayings (in my case Flemish ones) and although I understood the individual words, the meaning of the sentence had to be explained to me.
The best thing about the “sex escape” in First Contact is it doesn’t even come close to working and riker is caught immediately making the whole thing entirely pointless
He had sex with Lilith...pointless?
"Star Trek: Picard; when the walls fell".
"with his hand on his forehead!!"
@@kevesdancey Multiple Tom Cruises superimposed and laughing!
Nice! I’m at rest.
Picard and Riker, hands in face.
Discovery: when the Trek failed.
"Rich and Mike's Top 178 TNG Episodes - re:View"
Sign me up.
I am here for this!
Ok so I assume 178 is the total number of episodes? I vote for ignoring the irish peasants in space episode, and we just call it 177.......
@@rrson648 what was wrong with the Irish peasants in space? Riker got freaky with their woman leader
1:01:15 I love how Mike perfectly describes how a man taking the time to learn to communicate with a strange new species is infinitely more badass than some giant stupid battle.
The resolution to that episode is literally Picard having a conversation to achieve a peaceful outcome and it’s SO much more exciting and satisfying than a big dumb CGI fight
To be fair, “Picard having a conversation to achieve a peaceful outcome” is more or less how both seasons of PIC ended
I think the Darmok episode goes much deeper than that. It's about reestablishing a communication with our past, and how far the scientific/specific reasoning drifted away from poetic/abstract reasoning (hence Picard reading Homer verses at the end).
The most brilliant TNG episode, along with "The Enemy", imo.
00:00:53 Booby Trap
00:17:50 The Game
00:37:51 First Contact
00:47:37 Interlude with Mike's goofy prop
00:49:52 Darmok
01:05:24 The Next Phase
I LOST THE GAME
@@Fallen420chan rip
Which one is the thumbnail based on?
@@Perktube1 I believe it's Darmok
hey thanks
Watching two outdated hairline middle aged men talk about a 30 year old TV show is my idea of a perfect 80 minutes, love you guys
Rlm outdated??? Pffft
It's something like Warren Zevons's "invalid haircut," I imagine.
@@jmsanto65Needing that permit to walk around downtown has never felt so apt.
I was 12 when I watched TNG and as a result Wesley Crusher wasn't an annoying little kid, but something of a role model. Naturally, I was bullied!
"Shut up Stuart!"
I started watching TNG only recently and he didn't really bother me, his naivete was charming among a group of serious starfleet officers and considering a lot of crew have their families with them didn't feel out of place. Infact it was cool seeing him grow and develop as part of the crew like a family.
One might say. It's about family.
As someone who saw and adored Stand By Me when I was 12, I always loved Will Wheaton. Wasn't a huge fan of TNG as a kid (cause I didn't get it at the time), but my brother would always watch it, and over time I came to appreciate it.
NOT NOW, STUART
The secret to pulling in the adolescent boy demographic isn't Wesley Crusher, it's Beverly Crusher and Deanna Troi
Mike treating that alien head mask like Picard treated that statue at the end of Generations.
Watching two old, cranky men sit in large comfortable chairs talking about what they used to like and hate. This is a retirement home show.
Basement much m8
That’s why we love it
Watching it tucked in bed for full old man experience
More like actual objective analysis of why a show is good or bad, what worked, what didn’t, and what Star Trek was really about, unlike STD or Picard which are just rehashed old content for Easter eggs and nostalgia.
Judging by Mikes age and the time line I think he is the same age as me. I'm 38 so I know mike has to be around that age. So your calling me old ?!?! lol I was in my tweens in TNG came out so i know mike and rich has to be in their late 30's. But you got to also remember they started this station in their late 20's. They had to be in their late 20's early 30s cause the station has been around for 10 year.
My favorite part is when they talked about Star Trek
This reminds me of an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
When they talk about Star Trek- IN Star Trek??? Actually I’m sure it happened. In season4 or whatever🚀
Star trekking across the universe, only going forward cos we can't go reverse.
I missed that part. Timestamp?
There's a great blooper when Picard asks if anyone ever made a ship in bottles as a boy, and Michael Dorn goes "I did not play with boys!"
@Craig X gottem
The universal translator still worked in the Darmok episode, it can translate the individual words themselves they just don't mean anything because it's a metaphor the Enterprise crew have no frame of reference for that's why there's English words in there, the alien "gibberish" words are just proper nouns like names and places it makes perfect sense. I'm really surprised they didn't get this Troi spelled it out pretty clearly. I love how Mike defended the plausibility of their language though, this was always my favorite episode it's one of the only few times it feels like they're dealing with a truly alien species
My take on The Game is that Data saving the day in the Wesley episode is not only not detrimental, it's actually a positive that Wesley doesn't solve the problem on his own. It almost feels like an acknowledgment of the big problem with Wesley early on, in Season 1 especially - so many episodes are just solved by Wesley Crusher being a super genius who singlehandedly solves everything when the rest of the crew is stumped, because he's better than everyone at everything. Here, he realizes he's out of his depth and his best course of action is to keep the threat occupied while someone more qualified works on a solution.
Wesley: I need an adult!
@@superman5150 Data: I am an adult.
This series should never end. They should discuss every episode of TNG. Then do the original series. Then DS9. Then start over on TNG. And keep going in a loop for ever.
Just ignore Voyager? You're killing me
Hell, even Enterprise has merit. There's good stuff in Voyager for sure.
Yes!
You basically just described what Star Trek fandom is like.
I see we're ignoring STD here
"Load up the forton potatos." Another classic Rich Evans quote.
I personally wont accept Forton Potatos without bacon, sour cream, and cheese at a MINIMUM.
An embarrassing slip in the heat of life-or-death combat: "Fire potatoes!! ... torpedoes. "
Forton Potatoes are best when wrapped in tin foil and thrown in a fire.
four ton potatoes
Correction, phorton portatoes.
It's a common misconception with its spelling and mispronunciation.
Starting watching TNG for the first time at the start of lockdown. Something very uplifting about a team working together to explore and solve problems whilst the world seemed to be crumbling around outside. Even the not so good episodes have a lot of charm and at the very least decent forehead ridges. The best episodes are some of the best TV episodes in any genre ever.
Same. But it was funny how nearly every other episode in season 1 was about some viral outbreak. lol
“Decent forehead ridges” lmfao good one
Welcome to the addiction. I believe i have since rewatched every episode at least 20 times. It never gets old. The darker the times we are in, the more essential TNG's values become.
@@wandersgion4989 there are some underrated precious gems in s1. Where No One Has Gone Before, Symbiosis, The Neutral Zone, and nothing to do with viral infections.
Troi is a good second target because she's an empath - she'd feel something was wrong with people eventually.
Yes, long after the point where it would've been useful. "I sense deception", she'd say, from the brig, after the entire ship was already taken over.
the only issue is her powers are so consistently ignored for plot reasons... its so easy to forget she could be useful
Imagine having a *holodeck* and your best date idea is just like a Sandals resort.
To be fair he's pretty desperate
Yeah. Even Wesley brought that monster princess to stand on that asteroid cloud.
It was the 90s.
Imagine having a holodeck and still wanting to date someone.
Not everyone can be Tom Paris.
On the Darmok episode, technically the Universal Translator is working perfectly. Which is why there's English vocabulary. But their communication is entirely based on metaphor, so you'll never actually UNDERSTAND what they're saying until you learn the context behind the metaphor. That's why Troi's example is brilliant. If you have no idea of what Romeo & Juliette is, "Juliette on her balcony" is just as incomprehensible as "Shaka, when the walls fell". So the logic of the episode isn't as silly as Rich and Mike make it out to be.
Shaka when the walls fell
That just leads to more questions!
How do you only communicate in metaphors, when you need to understand the base language that makes up those metaphors, in the first place? Oo
The logic behind the language is just nonexistent. But the language is also not the point, so...
thats what I was screaming at the screen :D
@@NucleaRaptor With their example of a warp core breach, all you really need is one ship to have gone boom and it can enter the lexicon as "Chogdan on the Maloom, His molecules disassociated, his atoms spread wide" or whatever.
In defense of the episode, it does make sense _in a way._ Consider that each of our words is a "metaphor" in the sense that each word carries a meaning shared within our culture. Basically, speaking through metaphor the way they do is like taking one word of English and replacing it with its definition. So in the end, it's still too cumbersome of a language to be totally realistic - at least in the case of human languages since we tend to condense the amount of syllables needed to say something as a language evolves to save time and energy, so you'd think aliens would do it too. But it serves as a sort of *very* simplified metaphor for language itself, and of course works as simple way to create a language barrier that can be overcome and taught to an audience in 45 minutes.
As an aside, many other languages are far more context-dependent than English is like Spanish or Japanese, where a native English speaker might wonder how they would easily describe something outside of whatever the current context (trade-off is when you're staying within a context, it's more efficient than English). So a language so structurally different from our own is not a completely _foreign_ concept.
Back in high school, my senior year English teacher showed us the Darmak episode one day after we read the Epic of Gilgamesh because of Picard's references to it. Everyone in the class hated it but I loved it lol
Fiction that requires some thought to appreciate is rarely popular
The funny thing about Darmok, is it makes me think about real world languages. Like as much as people say the idea of a language being based on metaphors and allusions is kinda silly.. lots of human cultures kind of did that. Like the easy example to call out is something like Japanese Kanji. Every character is supposed to be a representation of something iconic. And they can string together complex sentences and thoughts out of those characters. With meanings and compounds that arose as new ideas came into their culture where multiple singular kanji would combine to create a new concept. Like how in Darmok itself "Temba, with arms open" meant to receive or welcome something. But "Temba, with arms open" combined with "Shakur, with closed fists" described together the concept of flanking and pouncing on the monster of Tanagra in the episode.
It's just kinda fascinating because as "silly" as it might sound to an English speaker... it is very human at the same time. And makes you marvel at something like how the first Portuguese sailors and merchants who came across Japan must have tried to communicate with these very different language concepts.
“Wanna watch two old hack frauds talk about their favorite TNG episodes?”
“Money Plane”
"Junka, when the tapes fell."
I would like this to become an RLM style "too-long" joke where they just keep doing more favorite episode reviews until the whole series is done.
Mike and Jay on the couch, when the wheel spun.
Surviving edged weapons, his bow drawn
@@user-ut9ln4vd5m Razors on hat, his face punctured.
Neil Breen, his black tank top.
Rich, his blood sugar increasing.
Wisconsin, when the snow fell.
Exploding varmints, when the fur flew
45:47 is my new favorite Mike Stoklasa edit. He truly is a hack Freud.
Blink and you'll miss it.
For those who missed it, it's an old man holding a penis.
Nearly a million views.
This makes me happy. I've come back to these episodes multiple times.
There’s only like 50k RLM fans and we just watch every video 30 times
Sucks that they demonized this video
Re: Wesley being Roddenberry's insert character, Roddenberry's full name was Eugene Wesley Roddenberry.
Hey you're right
🎶 The more you knowwwww 🌈
...and Gene was a bit mystified and disappointed by the backlash.
@@Starscreamious I didn't say it was a mystery to me. LOL
Amongst my group of friends the dislike of Wesley is pretty common.
@@pauld6967 maybe some don't mind him but indifference seems to be the best reception that character seems to get, I am in that camp.
Came here to say this
"Rich Evans superimposed, sits on couch," is how I've felt since February.
Those moments when these two breakdown a scene and note how comical the actual situation is in hindsight, is the best. Whether its Picard blowing up an ancient artifact or them just pointing out Worf's one-liners, they always make me laugh.
43:45 "Somebody finishes a thought without being interrupted." "This truly is science fiction"
Pretty depressing that can be an accurate joke nowadays.
That isn't a "now" thing. That's just how people act in the real world, where everything isn't scripted.
@@DriscolDevil When you respect someone you don't interrupt them. The RLM cast members rarely speak over each other except in best of the worst. In half-in-the-bag or re:view they usually listen to the other person's opinion before explaining their own. Granted, movie reviews are not the same as politics where the speaker is trying to win over the audience.
@@GramLikesBread Ok boomer.
People talking casually are going to sometimes talk over each other. People may have a point they don't want to forget, or something they want to get out there before the other person makes their point.
The guys on rlm fo talk over each other a lot, and even then they are obviously going to try to avoid it because it's a show and it's not as fun to watch.
When Wesley became an Ensign on the show, Gene Roddenberry came on set and gave Wil Wheaton his own ensign bars from WWII. So I think it's fair to say that Rich is right that he was an insert character - or at least one he cared a lot about.
@uNnHkP8mza I believe he served on the WW2 carrier Enterprise
@@seanwhelan6960 I just looked this up and apparently he was in the Air Force, so they would have been second lieutenant bars. Apparently he gave them to Wheaton at a ceremony with Colin Powell present. A bit weird, but it must have meant a lot to him.
@uNnHkP8mzaA surprising number of classic sci-fi authors were vets. WWII had a lot to do with it. I honestly think it helped the genre because war makes you realize that there are bigger forces and problems in the world than those in your individual life.
@@danielkellyuk you are correct, then I guess I heard wrong about why he picked Enterprise as the name of the ship. However, it was a very famous WW2 carrier so maybe thats why?
In darmok, the reason there’s English words mixed in is because the universal translator is working properly, but they have such a strange syntax based on mythos that the translator can’t put it properly together. I’m pretty sure Data mentions the setup for this with a line or two during the episode.
Yeah, it can't translate the nouns. Names of people and places wouldn't make sense if directly translated. It's translating what it can but even translated it doesn't make sense until you realise they communitcate in metaphor for past events.
Did you guys just out-star treked mike
I thought that it was fairly obvious to be fair.
Interestingly English has a lot of idiom. E.g. Feeling under the weather.
It makes native English speakers very difficult to understand.
@@benbooth2783 I had a co worker who studied and taught English in Russia, but Russian was her native tongue. I once told her I was feeling under the weather and she got excited. It was the first time she had ever heard someone say that idiom in a normal conversation.
@@factsdontlie4342 Nice.
The Darmok language never bothered me too much. But the more you think about it, it did have nouns like "sails", which makes you wonder where exactly in their culture did they stop inventing new words and start using metaphor for most things.
I think they have a second language for like engineering but this is never fully discussed in the actual episode, which is confusing. It’s still a great concept and incredible execution IMO
@@Derm1991 How could you learn a language that was built entirely on metaphors? You'd have to inherit the metaphors when you were born. I never liked this episode, and it always bothered me because it was to illogical. I also figured out problem of the language before any of the characters did. I hate this episode but whatever, I tend to overthink things.
@@fuzzywzhe An ever evolving web of advanced ideograms could be an effective way of communicating. Think of cuneiform, hieroglyphs and the like
@Joe Dick after a few rewrites they would have realized that the right take on the language difficulty is best represented by the translator treating the aliens speech as a slang vernacular like jive. They should have made it a visit to a 1970s pimp planet with jive talking space schnegroes.
How would you learn it? Why not like Picard did in the episode? Took him a couple of hours to be able to have some kind of conversation
Mike in the first section: “There are like ten types of TNG episodes.”
Mike, after watching a bunch more in preparation for this iteration of re:View: “There are basically only two types of TNG episodes.”
Ah yes. Two blokes discussing a thirty year old show already has more views than your average of episode of the modern iterations. Perfection
Because JarJarAbrams is to StarTrek what Trump is to America. Garbage. A dipshit who ruined 2 Star franchises, and reportedly wanted to strike in a third, and is involved in Spiderman comics, when everyone and their mother knows that JJAss can't write his own freaking name to begin with, let alone franchise work.
Extreme TDS alert. Yikes
@@aserta What is the second franchise trump ruined?
@@aserta Who would you rather have: Trump for 4 or possibly 8 years, or Abrams and possibly Kurtzman for Star Trek? I can't decide.
@@aserta The shows you're criticizing are bad, but to be honest, you sound like you're losing your mind. Chill out.
Rich: “Let’s talk Star Trek TNG.”
Mike: “Make it so.”
Jay: “Gotta go.”
Jay always was more of a Commander Shepard type of person.
@@aserta I thought he was a Lieutenant Colonel? : D
Either way, who doesnt love Joe Flanigan.
Mike announcing the show name at the start had me dying.
I love how they're always undermining themselves for a laugh with the editing.
Hey, Anthony! Mike kind of lives for editing. It’s truly his passion. Same with Jay, really. Both of them are super talented. There are a few moments on Rich and Jacks now defunct channel, Previously Recorded, that they kind go into it a bit. Very interesting group of gentleman. And Susan.
I really really REALLY want a top ten DS9 episodes from them. I want to hear them talk about that show more.
RLM is the Cheers of CZcams.
10+ years of RLM and no one has summed it up as perfectly as this
@@killergoose7643 thanks fellow alcoholic
IT’S A SHOW ABOUT NOTHING!
Wheres everybodies knows ours names.
Rich is at all times Norm, Morn, and himself.
Picard: Nothing
Riker: Nothing
Everyone: Nothing
Worf: Have we thought about going to war with them?
Everybody makes fun of Worf, until they need someone to go hard in the paint :p
@@ManDuderGuy Agree, Worf is a homie ... except he has been bodied every time. Remember when he got his spine snapped like a dry twig by a falling box, and just wanted to commit suicide than be crippled.
@@nickalbertson335
Worf was never allowed to shine damnit!
He does in DS9
@@End3r1973 Indeed, in DS9 they don't really have a similar dialogue setup that uses someone as Worf to suggest the 'totally wrong action' to show the superiority of the commanding officers. Feels a bit like a setup from TOS where you had or an idiot throw-away ensign, or later on Chekov make the lead to show Kirk / Spock badassery. (That or McCoy bashing with Spock). In earlier seasons of DS9 you kinda had hyper-aggressive Kira and naïve Bashir, but later on it feels like they where able to spread it out between the cast and make it more of a discussion, thinking up loudly instead doing the opposite of what somebody else suggested. From my memory they did tended to do the same in the (better) TMP movies, showing respect towards every senior member.
I feel like they've reversed that back in Voyager, where someone technobabbles to dress someone down (usually poor Ever-ensign Kim) to show who is in charge.
I couldn't imagine editing an episode of this show, just hours of cutting between the hosts close up, the wide shot, finding, isolating, and inserting specific clips from the review material, inserting sound effects, all for a single review of anything they go over, for every episode.
Jay is very good at it
"two 40 year olds relive the good times"
i love how they bring that one tiny throwaway line about O'Brien building ships in bottles back several years later in DS9 in his friendship with Bashir
When the writers thought about the lore more than 5 minutes after their current scene.
Building ships in bottles does feel like an appropriate gateway drug of a hobby that leads to the hard stuff like building scale models of the Alamo complete with soldiers(sans poor Travis, still MIA 😔). I wonder if O’Brien ever showed his and Bashir’s enormous toy model off to Picard(maybe a holopicture or something)?
Don't forget All good things, where Picard says he knows O'Brien built bottle modles, cuz he "read his file". Yeah, top commanders always read sergeants' files and remember them.
That scene has a great out take, when Worf says “I didn’t play with toys”, he says boy’s instead
@@obsidianorder1 Admittedly, it's probably a good idea to read up on the file of someone who disintegrates and rematerializes you on a regular basis, regardless of rank.
Rich Evans acknowledging his own meme is like an out of body experience. These are special, they need to make more.
I love the idea of using internet memes as linguistic metaphors: "Drake, his finger pointing."
"Drake, his gaze averted"
This is super late to mention, but what was brilliant about Picard's moment of giddiness in Booby Trap, is that it perfectly explains why he dropped his guard down, and sets it up beautifully to the point that you'd believe he would be uncharacteristically less careful. You were more interested in him exploring something he had a sentimental attachment with that you didn't even realize what was going on until it was too late! Just like Picard. And it's why he just blows it up at the end, its him trying to move on from the foolishness and sentimentality that got them into trouble in the first place. I love these perfectly executed little details.
Yes keep this going! I'm loving the Trek talk. Make a side channel RedShirtMedia it would be awesome.
No sense to split their audience.
But yes I agree I can sit and listen to nerds talk about Star trek forever
my top 2 youtubers together at last
@@kyubii972
Yeah because you can only watch one CZcams channel.
@@kyubii972 fair point. I'm just hungry for trek chat.
I second the idea!
Rich and Mike should come out with a new series - re:Trek, where they just talk about Star Trek. I would watch it religiously.
that would be great! :)
I'd even be happy with a Star Trek podcast from them
"Darmok" was my all time favorite TNG episode. So imaginative.
That one, Inner Light and Sins of the Father are my top 3
@@miguelbranquinho7235 Yes Inner Light was a good one. I liked Nth Degree as well.
I may be a huge suck, but I actually teared up just a little bit when listening to Picard tell this story to the other captain, honestly I have no clue why.
27:41 it’s little shots like these that make me love RLM-Mike saying something dumb and Rich just sitting there with a fixed, somewhat amused expression as he considers said dumb thing
Watching two old men reminisce about their childhood is so heartwarming.
Manimal & Misfits of Science review coming soon.
Picard: Didn't anyone play with ships in bottles when they were boys?
Worf: I never played with boys.
Best outtake ever
“I did sir”
- Miles O’Brien
@@artenke5827 😂
Only guy in Hollywood who didn't.
TRACY!!!
(runs down hallway)
God this is such a gold mine, I’d pay to see Mike and Rich talk about the other seasons of TNG, their DS9 top 10 the works
Wesley was Gene Roddenberry's middle name, so I think Rich is on the money about him being a stand in.
Rich quote of the year- “It’s like an alien species that only communicates through memes.”
Basically just like us, then. Classic Star Trek.
I know who Rich is, I CLAPPED!!!
@@Tuning3434 Thank you for the example...
Jackie Chan makes the face.
3 panel Drake, Man admires other female, Pikachu surprised face
I still want a cliff hanger. Mike dressed up as Locutus on a monitor giving some goofy line about wanting to review the new Star Trek Galaxy season, then a dramatic pan to Rich in a Riker beard and uniform and says, "Mr. Bauman, Fire!" And Jay would be like, "fire what?"
EDIT: This keeps popping up in my feed and I have to say this video has the best thumbnail ever.
Go on..
*Jay is watching weird shit and doesn't notice anything
I watched all the Discovery and Picard discussions from RLM, and I come to watch them talk about TNG, and it legitimately drove me to tears.
Happy tears for how beautiful and fun TNG was, and profound sadness that we might never get something like it again.
Couldn't agree more. I forget which review ep of the DISCO series where Rich genuinely seems hurt by the absolute shitty way that crap show is trashing on Trek canon and history. His honesty in that moment spoke to me.
"I can't wait to learn" damn girl, I like the kind of science you're laying down.
I'm glad Rich Evans realizes he is in fact an internet meme himself
Rich Evans, superimposed, sits on couch.
Dude, he looked at the camera. Are we the meme now?
"A 30 year old outdated television show" even though this is the most asked for content on the channel
nope.
Internet rule # 3: Louder, obnoxious, "passionate" or "community" doesn't mean "majority"
Ask about a 2000year old book
@@theguardian8317 oof someone's salty
This is my third viewing of this today, and I just had to comment because it brings me so much joy. There's just so much positivity and stimulating discussion in this video, it literally makes me feel healthier.
45:41 Rich Evans: "She offered to help get him off."
Well, he's not wrong.
The universal translator is NOT down in "Darmok" It's simply literally translating the words. It's as Troi says "Juliet on her balcony" .... if you don't know the reference, it tells you absolutely nothing. It's giberish. That's why there are English words when the Tamarians are speaking... it's because the UT s actually working.
It’s working, yet unintelligible because the context of the words/phrases is so specific and exact.
You can’t take an alien metaphor and translate it figuratively. Certain major mythic tropes like “When the walls fell” or “after the great inundation” are probably common to all civilizations. Hence literal translations can impart similar meanings. But “Juliet on her balcony” could figuratively mean she’s lovesick, or suicidal, or looking at the world beyond her small confines, or waiting for a pizza to be delivered. It imparts far less directly and need to be used as a puzzle piece.
@Oatmeal Joey Arnold rent free
Yes it be like asking a desert civilization about Trees the word could be translated but it that doesn't guarantee it has any meaning other than being a string of characters that can be said.
Like Wittgenstein said: "if a lion could speak, we could not understand him"
"I never really understood the Wesley hate" cuts to scene of Wesley doing cartwheels in ridiculous garb. Outstanding! Thanks guys!
I like to watch on 240p just to relive the feeling of watching TNG on a barely working CRT. Plus it makes the fellas look retro.
Beautiful. God the show was soo good. So many emotional memories. The shock seeing Picard so passionate with his “No!” when they try to beam him up in Darmok...Riker’s reaction to the funeral after Picard’s line rolls off my mind even though they didn’t show it here...”I think I like it.” And I knew they cliffhanger was coming! Thank you RLM for this!
It's nice to see Ellen getting cancelled didn't have any fallout on Rich Evan's career.
He propped her up as long as he could, but, let's be honest - even a Rich Evans with a Rich Evans amount of magnetism and charisma can only do so much.
47:39 "I have always wanted to make love with an alien."
Finally a character I can relate to.
"I want to believe... and make love"
Mike's list
"The Game" (S5 E6) (17:39)
"Darmok" (S5 E2) (47:38
"Remember Me" (S4 E5) (1:08:16) (not on Mike's list, but he talks about the episode because it's a guilty pleasure)
Rich's list
"Booby Trap" (S3 E6) (0:52)
"First Contact" (S4 E15) (37:42)
"The Next Phase" (S5 E24) (1:05:08. discussion of this episode continues at 1:10:43)
I have never watched a single episode of Star Trek but watching Mike and Rich talk about it is like listening to Socrates and Plato discuss philosophy.
I just watched both previous episodes, drove 8 hours, logged into my hotel’s WiFi, and then got this notification. ENGAGE
Sounds stressful. RLM always helps me relax, hopefully it works for you too!
@@fallenmango8420 what a nice comment. i hope you have a good day
I hope you are a trucker, because I could feel my ass breaking in half when you mentioned driving for 8 hours.
@@HellecticMojo Driving for long periods of time within a small number of days has become a surprisingly big part of my life. Also, these guys are on fire. Great, hilarious discussion.
I actually got to use Tamarian just last week. I have a "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" t-shirt and I wore it to work. Onew of the new hires spotted it, laughed, and gave me the "Sharma when the walls fell" line. I pointed right at him and said "Temba, his eyes open !"
It was a bonding moment, we're cool now.
@Stellvia Hoenheim Living the dream.
That's so wholesome.
Badass
Isn't it "Shaka" ? Also totally bad ass story. Upvoted.
@Tim HR, when the lawsuit was served.
I literally got into TNG and Star Trek overall from Mike and Rich and these videos, had to go back and watch the whole show. Now it's my favorite show
Mike’s midwestern af pronunciation of “ghost” tickles me every time 👻