After all that has happened, I would love the chance for the WoL to sit and just listen to Ancient Emet as he described the old world so that we could ensure that we would “Remember that they once lived”
A good villain is one you can relate to. Even if you disagree with their methods, and the way they think, you can understand it and emphasize with it. From his point of view, he's trying to save the world, and you're the one standing in his way. He's the first one to try and reason with you, and relate with you. He gets your point just as much as you get his. That's how you make a damn good antagonist.
He is not a villian. He is an antagonist. His point were valid. He was trying to save his people. Is just that saving his people would have doomed your people just as you saving Erozea doomed the Ascians. There is nothing evil about Emet-Selch. Just irreconceliable differences. He fought and lost (mostly because we cheated).
This is such a powerful scene, you can even hear Emet’s voice waver at 7:167:36 despite his normally carefree and sassy demeanour after having to remember memories from the past
I don't think it'd be an inversion so much as it's a case of parallelism, in a way hammering the point home that the WoL and the Ascians have the exact same goal, but for different primals.
This single scene is so amazing because it flips the entire games story right on its head in the most perfect way imaginable. All in a single 8 minute scene.
@@houseplant7574 Wrong. Elder primals does not temper. Lesser primals do, simply because of the spell to summon them is deliberately altered to include tempering. MSQ mentions this. Primals as they should be, are "benevolent", quoted directly from the game.
My most favourite character of all times. I usted to hate him; but after learning what he’s trying to do I sympathize with him a lot and grown attached to him.
* ugly cries * Dammit Hades (Emet-Selch)!! Why do you have to make me go and cry like that. Rewatching this scene hits especially hard after the end of both Shadowbringers and Endwalker. This was Hades (Emet-Selch) being as blunt, open, and honest as he could be. He was so real and genuine at this moment. You could hear in his voice how he wanted desperately for you to know about his, his home, his people, and his history. That he took pride in it.
So I'm coming back here post endwalker. For those who aren't that far no worries I won't say much but..this was probably my most favorite and remembered cutscene in the ten year story, and looking back on it and emet selch dwelling on those who's memories are no longer intact is really cool for three separate reasons down the line. They really hammered home rememberence of the lost in his character
It's sad what Emet lost, but it was necessary to save everyone. Such a great story. The best in the entire series. Endwalker only sealed it even further. They could make the rest of the stories about literally nothing. This storyline was unbeatable. From 1.0 to 6.0 will be considered one of the greatest fictional stories ever written. Studied like people study Tolkien today.
lol not at all. It's pretty standard for a Final Fantasy story and didn't tred any new ground at all. It's probably the most work anyone has ever put into an MMO storyline, but to call it new, or anything that hasn't been done before? Uh, have you not played any other JRPG? This is the normal schtick.
There’s always THAT one person ready to say shit like this. I mean, have you considered that maybe for the op it IS the best story ever told? It is a subjective opinion after all.
@@MitsukiDiablew Its always generic condescension too. Never anything added like examples of better storylines from their perspective or reasons it fails or treds similar ground. Just baseless assertions that anything you like is actually just mundane.
@@Koranthus Right? They’re always super condescending about it. Like, since when did they make you the decision maker for everyone else that tells us how we should feel about anything like that? Wtf is this god-like complex that people keep having? Could’ve said something along the lines of “It’s a good story but I’ve seen a couple more that struck me as being better imo”. There. And even I could’ve worded that better since it is an opinion. Jesus.
Here he makes it sound like the world was sundered by accident almost - like Hydaelyn smacked Zodiak so hard that it broke reality and split the world into thirteen shards. That's what I thought when I first heard this. And then, after Endwalker... just fuck.
He is so homesick I as the WoL began to feel my resolve wavering there. Other ascians were portrayed and behaving as inhumane, fanatics. Emet yearns for his home, for his lost brethren, he who guards the masks of every one who has sacrificed himself to make Zordiark.
@@Narcissim To be fair I felt the present day final days were a major letdown in terms of scope. They only really hit two areas, when the trailer showed the whole world on fire.
@@MilkAndSugar16 Tempered people have no real personality other than praising their primal. Emet-Selch wasnt tempered either based on what we know about it.
@@zeehero7280 I think it is hinted that warrior of light is tempered. Or at least everyone with echo may be. It is explained at one point that one of the way to stave off being tempered is if you are already tempered by a stronger influence. Perhaps being hydalyn tempered and having the echo is the same thing. Tempered people are different depending on which primal does it. They are not all mindless such as the sylph who were pretty normal. Also CID father who was tempered by bahamut was still very intelligent.
@@Newbtuber if being "tempered" varies so greatly in what it does and how it works, then its not being tempered all the time and we need new terms to describe it. the Echo also has nothing to do with tempered or primals, the echo is something from the ancients who had this long before summoning Zodiark. The Blessing of Light could be a benevolent version, but that's not tempered at that point, just bestowed or chosen.
You go into a simple dungeon. Nothing big expected. By now player has decent idea about the First. You have seen how Shadowbringers has been going so far and you have some expectations on how the story will resolve. And than this happens. Demonstrating to you that not only were your assumptions about Shadowbringers wrong, but that stuff that was considered to be foundations of FFXIV lore were false or incomplete. I don't remember any scene in anything really that snuck so suddenly such a massive world shifting lore bomb.
It's Old English. It's like saying "24"... 20 and 4 Twenty-Four. So 10 and 3 is 13 by that logic. Emet was just using word play and old english to say 13.
Can anyone explain to me why he betrayed Elidibus at the end of 5.3? It felt quite out of character to me... Elidibus would've won if he stayed his hand.
I might have the answer for this but this will be a *major spoiler* which includes the Endwalker expansion. I surmise that if you have finished Endwalker, then you might already get the answer since your comment was posted 2 weeks ago. But I'll just voice out my answer. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1. Let's start with not including the Endwalker expansion. This answer will be just purely from Shadowbringer. One reason why he aids you at that time is that he knows you are worthy. You realize that he has his own expectation on you. He never harms you throughout your journey, helps you with bringing back Y'shtola, and converses with you as if you are friends. But then all of that changes when your body shows you can no longer contain all of the Light within you after your fight against Vauthry. He blatantly shows his disappointment at you. That's because he knows you are a shard of Azem, another good friend of his whom he sees in high regards. He was genuinely upset you couldn't contain the Light since, being a sundered Azem, he thought you could do it. By the end, he thought like, "You are not Azem, nor someone similar to Azem. You were nothing but a failure." However, after you won against him, he sees how worthy you are and is content with leaving the fate of the star to you, as long as you remember that they once existed. Once he dies and returns to the aetherial sea, he is still self-aware and probably knows what is happening when you are battling Elidibus since you are carrying Azem's and the other Convocations' stones. That's how he comes and helps you. I read one comment that says that Emet-Selch helps you probably because he wants Elidibus to rest and stop carrying all the burden of being the last Ascian and the last one to carry out their mission. 2. Now let's include the Endwalker expansion. In that pack, you go to the past when the Final Days has not yet fall upon the Etheirys, when the people of Amaurot still live and strive, and there you get to meet Emet-Selch, his great friend Hythlodaeus, and Venat. You became an acquaintance to Emet-Selch and fought with him side-by-side. When your common foe starts a technique which erases memories of everyone in the vicinity, Emet-Selch urged you and Venat to leave the area. In the end, Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus got their memories wiped out and they continued on with their life as if they had never met you. Perhaps, once the Shadowbringer Emet-Selch dies and returns to the aetherial sea, all the memories comes back to him and finally remembers that you and him had met. And once he sees you battling Elidibus, he comes and aids you. These two points altogether could be the answers to why he helps you against Elidibus. Hope this helps.
@@luxeleanor251 Thank you for writing such a long awnser! I agree with you now, but have to say I dont like the way they handled Elidibus in this... Emet knew Elidibus for 12000+ years, yet the memory of a day and you defeating him makes you worthy? All of a sudden Emet KNOWS FOR SURE Zodiark just cannot help? Elidibus was going to WIN... What about all Elidibus has acomplished? Emet did my boy dirty... I hope Asphodelos has a little bit more context to this. Still feels like a jerk move from Emet IMO.
@@theDontiilev technically he didn't betray him, Ysh'tola even says right after the battle that Emet helped both of you, he didn't want his friend, Elidibus, to keep fighting alone as he had already lost so much of who he was
There's also another factor to this. It's not just because he remembers your time in Elpis. He knows who you are now. He knows you're his old friend Azem, someone he was as close to as he was to Hythlodeus. Not to mention he knows the truth behind the Final Days. He's choosing to put his faith in you, believes your path can do what theirs could not. Zodiark was only a way to ward off the Final Days from happening, what you're doing can potentially end it once and for all.
@@theDontiilev Well you have to remember that Elpis arc tells you about the real final days and what is happening, Emet even admits that their methods would not have made it this far, so he know Elidibus fights in vain and wants his friend to rest. Elidibus doesn't even remember his role or what he fights for. He wants to reunite Lord Zodiark but it would not have erased the final days and just extended it, because the ascians didnt know what was going on.
Considering everything that we learn about the Sundering in Endwalker, once you see this scene again your sympathy for Emet-Selch kind of drops a lot, considering what they were doing to bring Zodiark to life to begin with, not to mention what they actually want.
In the end, the Ascians were right. In the end, Zodiark would have brought back all those sacrificed to call him. And at what cost? The lives of non-sapient organisms born into the world after Zodiark saved it. Hydaelyn is guilty not of genocide, but of omnicide.
I could listen to Emet Selch talk about his world for hours.
Same. I love how impassioned he becomes when he talks of this.
After all that has happened, I would love the chance for the WoL to sit and just listen to Ancient Emet as he described the old world so that we could ensure that we would “Remember that they once lived”
A lot of Emet's scenes about his world/history hits WAY harder now having played Endwalker.
i know right, its the same for the whole of FFXIV. after finishing Endwalker, its changed the way i see everything now
A good villain is one you can relate to. Even if you disagree with their methods, and the way they think, you can understand it and emphasize with it. From his point of view, he's trying to save the world, and you're the one standing in his way. He's the first one to try and reason with you, and relate with you. He gets your point just as much as you get his. That's how you make a damn good antagonist.
He is not a villian. He is an antagonist. His point were valid. He was trying to save his people. Is just that saving his people would have doomed your people just as you saving Erozea doomed the Ascians. There is nothing evil about Emet-Selch. Just irreconceliable differences. He fought and lost (mostly because we cheated).
@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj Nothing evil about a man trying to kill countless lives just to restore his doomed world? Don't make me laugh.
The villain of your story is the hero of his own.
This is such a powerful scene, you can even hear Emet’s voice waver at 7:16 7:36 despite his normally carefree and sassy demeanour after having to remember memories from the past
You can hear his heartache.
"Look, learn, remember" feels like it could be a deliberate inversion of "Hear, feel, think"; I'm not in deep enough to say for sure.
I don't think it'd be an inversion so much as it's a case of parallelism, in a way hammering the point home that the WoL and the Ascians have the exact same goal, but for different primals.
I believe in my opinion is the way Zodiark would say it.
Hear… the song of creation’s end. Feel… the sorrow at hope’s demise. Think… and find your way in the dark.
@@theConduitt I've always like the intro "I wish to hear your words....feel your feelings....... know your thoughts"
@@AngryDigitalNerdZordiark was for all purposes a machine. Elidibus was his concience.
Emet's voice actor obliterates my emotions every single time
I really feel that this is one of the most important cutscenes in XIV
Hard agree. It's difficult to put into words how important all this is after playing through endwalker
This single scene is so amazing because it flips the entire games story right on its head in the most perfect way imaginable. All in a single 8 minute scene.
This is actually more depressing after more recent events in the game.
Any writer can make you hate the villain only an extraordinary one can make you feel bad for him.
Man, coming here after Shadowbringers and Endwalker..
It always felt wrong fighting emet, but to know now everything that happened really makes it more emotional
I felt bad enough stopping him in ShB, but after Endwalker, I really wish we could've worked together somehow...
A part of me wishes we could have turned him, but the temperament had already done its job to emet and the rest
@@houseplant7574 Wrong. Elder primals does not temper. Lesser primals do, simply because of the spell to summon them is deliberately altered to include tempering. MSQ mentions this. Primals as they should be, are "benevolent", quoted directly from the game.
"...Are we the baddies?"
My most favourite character of all times. I usted to hate him; but after learning what he’s trying to do I sympathize with him a lot and grown attached to him.
you can literally tell the pain in his voice towards the end.
I cried in this scene,i get emotional when Emet say, once upon a time.... DANM shite donde right
the sass as he walks away
* ugly cries * Dammit Hades (Emet-Selch)!! Why do you have to make me go and cry like that. Rewatching this scene hits especially hard after the end of both Shadowbringers and Endwalker. This was Hades (Emet-Selch) being as blunt, open, and honest as he could be. He was so real and genuine at this moment. You could hear in his voice how he wanted desperately for you to know about his, his home, his people, and his history. That he took pride in it.
So I'm coming back here post endwalker. For those who aren't that far no worries I won't say much but..this was probably my most favorite and remembered cutscene in the ten year story, and looking back on it and emet selch dwelling on those who's memories are no longer intact is really cool for three separate reasons down the line. They really hammered home rememberence of the lost in his character
the way he says 'bored'
It's sad what Emet lost, but it was necessary to save everyone. Such a great story. The best in the entire series. Endwalker only sealed it even further. They could make the rest of the stories about literally nothing. This storyline was unbeatable. From 1.0 to 6.0 will be considered one of the greatest fictional stories ever written. Studied like people study Tolkien today.
lol not at all. It's pretty standard for a Final Fantasy story and didn't tred any new ground at all.
It's probably the most work anyone has ever put into an MMO storyline, but to call it new, or anything that hasn't been done before? Uh, have you not played any other JRPG? This is the normal schtick.
There’s always THAT one person ready to say shit like this. I mean, have you considered that maybe for the op it IS the best story ever told? It is a subjective opinion after all.
@@MitsukiDiablew Its always generic condescension too. Never anything added like examples of better storylines from their perspective or reasons it fails or treds similar ground. Just baseless assertions that anything you like is actually just mundane.
@@Koranthus Right? They’re always super condescending about it. Like, since when did they make you the decision maker for everyone else that tells us how we should feel about anything like that? Wtf is this god-like complex that people keep having? Could’ve said something along the lines of “It’s a good story but I’ve seen a couple more that struck me as being better imo”. There. And even I could’ve worded that better since it is an opinion. Jesus.
Here he makes it sound like the world was sundered by accident almost - like Hydaelyn smacked Zodiak so hard that it broke reality and split the world into thirteen shards. That's what I thought when I first heard this. And then, after Endwalker... just fuck.
He is so homesick I as the WoL began to feel my resolve wavering there. Other ascians were portrayed and behaving as inhumane, fanatics. Emet yearns for his home, for his lost brethren, he who guards the masks of every one who has sacrificed himself to make Zordiark.
I'd rly like to have an episode in which we can play the Amaurot we were and experience the final days of Amaurot with Emet.
Havent played endwalker?
@@Narcissim no spoilers dude, besides this comment was over a year ago...
Thats the whole joke
@@Narcissim To be fair I felt the present day final days were a major letdown in terms of scope. They only really hit two areas, when the trailer showed the whole world on fire.
@@Gunplabro There is the Heresiarch quests to widen the scope
Easily one of my favourite cutscenes in XIV!
Art is forever.
shut up ysholta, good guy emet is speaking
Sooooo if Hydaelyn really is a primal doesn't that mean the Warrior of Light is tempered?
We know that not all primals always temper their followers. Ramuh only tempered sylphs originally when they asked him to.
Ardbert asks this question too. And I think this will become a big deal in the future. What if the Wol really is just tempered?
@@MilkAndSugar16 Tempered people have no real personality other than praising their primal.
Emet-Selch wasnt tempered either based on what we know about it.
@@zeehero7280 I think it is hinted that warrior of light is tempered. Or at least everyone with echo may be. It is explained at one point that one of the way to stave off being tempered is if you are already tempered by a stronger influence. Perhaps being hydalyn tempered and having the echo is the same thing. Tempered people are different depending on which primal does it. They are not all mindless such as the sylph who were pretty normal. Also CID father who was tempered by bahamut was still very intelligent.
@@Newbtuber if being "tempered" varies so greatly in what it does and how it works, then its not being tempered all the time and we need new terms to describe it. the Echo also has nothing to do with tempered or primals, the echo is something from the ancients who had this long before summoning Zodiark.
The Blessing of Light could be a benevolent version, but that's not tempered at that point, just bestowed or chosen.
what's the title of the quest again? I wanna watch with my character on it
"The Burden of Knowledge"
Does anyone know the name of the song that plays during his explanation of the murals?
NeoUltimaxor czcams.com/video/rQp9_IHra7k/video.html
@@Nyghtgirl27 do you know what the song/track that plays from 1:45-3:00 is called?
@@TheoVorster no idea sadly
It’s called Tears in the rain if you were still wondering though I doubt it
what armor set is that?
The best villain by far.
And I think Dragoon is the closest to a canon job ;)
Well Dragoon does look pretty good in cutscenes!
@@Rin_The_Pianist Well, with the Heavensward storyline, I think it fits best. Plus none of your companions have that job.
Well there's dark Knight
Realm reborn - warrior, Heavensward - dragoon, Stormblood - samurai, Shadowbringers - dark knight. Those are the canons for each expansion to me.
@@Playerpoi FFXIV original - Archer
You go into a simple dungeon. Nothing big expected. By now player has decent idea about the First. You have seen how Shadowbringers has been going so far and you have some expectations on how the story will resolve. And than this happens. Demonstrating to you that not only were your assumptions about Shadowbringers wrong, but that stuff that was considered to be foundations of FFXIV lore were false or incomplete. I don't remember any scene in anything really that snuck so suddenly such a massive world shifting lore bomb.
Why do they say by 10 and 3? Why not 13?
10 stars and 3 reflections reflections being almost identical to the source
The actual answer is just ye olde English :p pray wont etc
Ten and three = thirteen.
I wounder why he says 10 and 3 and not just 13.
It's Old English. It's like saying "24"... 20 and 4 Twenty-Four.
So 10 and 3 is 13 by that logic. Emet was just using word play and old english to say 13.
Ello
Can anyone explain to me why he betrayed Elidibus at the end of 5.3?
It felt quite out of character to me... Elidibus would've won if he stayed his hand.
I might have the answer for this but this will be a *major spoiler* which includes the Endwalker expansion. I surmise that if you have finished Endwalker, then you might already get the answer since your comment was posted 2 weeks ago. But I'll just voice out my answer.
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1. Let's start with not including the Endwalker expansion. This answer will be just purely from Shadowbringer. One reason why he aids you at that time is that he knows you are worthy. You realize that he has his own expectation on you. He never harms you throughout your journey, helps you with bringing back Y'shtola, and converses with you as if you are friends. But then all of that changes when your body shows you can no longer contain all of the Light within you after your fight against Vauthry. He blatantly shows his disappointment at you. That's because he knows you are a shard of Azem, another good friend of his whom he sees in high regards. He was genuinely upset you couldn't contain the Light since, being a sundered Azem, he thought you could do it. By the end, he thought like, "You are not Azem, nor someone similar to Azem. You were nothing but a failure."
However, after you won against him, he sees how worthy you are and is content with leaving the fate of the star to you, as long as you remember that they once existed. Once he dies and returns to the aetherial sea, he is still self-aware and probably knows what is happening when you are battling Elidibus since you are carrying Azem's and the other Convocations' stones. That's how he comes and helps you. I read one comment that says that Emet-Selch helps you probably because he wants Elidibus to rest and stop carrying all the burden of being the last Ascian and the last one to carry out their mission.
2. Now let's include the Endwalker expansion. In that pack, you go to the past when the Final Days has not yet fall upon the Etheirys, when the people of Amaurot still live and strive, and there you get to meet Emet-Selch, his great friend Hythlodaeus, and Venat. You became an acquaintance to Emet-Selch and fought with him side-by-side. When your common foe starts a technique which erases memories of everyone in the vicinity, Emet-Selch urged you and Venat to leave the area. In the end, Emet-Selch and Hythlodaeus got their memories wiped out and they continued on with their life as if they had never met you.
Perhaps, once the Shadowbringer Emet-Selch dies and returns to the aetherial sea, all the memories comes back to him and finally remembers that you and him had met. And once he sees you battling Elidibus, he comes and aids you.
These two points altogether could be the answers to why he helps you against Elidibus. Hope this helps.
@@luxeleanor251 Thank you for writing such a long awnser!
I agree with you now, but have to say I dont like the way they handled Elidibus in this...
Emet knew Elidibus for 12000+ years, yet the memory of a day and you defeating him makes you worthy? All of a sudden Emet KNOWS FOR SURE Zodiark just cannot help? Elidibus was going to WIN... What about all Elidibus has acomplished? Emet did my boy dirty...
I hope Asphodelos has a little bit more context to this. Still feels like a jerk move from Emet IMO.
@@theDontiilev technically he didn't betray him, Ysh'tola even says right after the battle that Emet helped both of you, he didn't want his friend, Elidibus, to keep fighting alone as he had already lost so much of who he was
There's also another factor to this. It's not just because he remembers your time in Elpis. He knows who you are now. He knows you're his old friend Azem, someone he was as close to as he was to Hythlodeus. Not to mention he knows the truth behind the Final Days. He's choosing to put his faith in you, believes your path can do what theirs could not. Zodiark was only a way to ward off the Final Days from happening, what you're doing can potentially end it once and for all.
@@theDontiilev Well you have to remember that Elpis arc tells you about the real final days and what is happening, Emet even admits that their methods would not have made it this far, so he know Elidibus fights in vain and wants his friend to rest. Elidibus doesn't even remember his role or what he fights for. He wants to reunite Lord Zodiark but it would not have erased the final days and just extended it, because the ascians didnt know what was going on.
Sigh. One of the best ff antagonists. He told you straight up what he was trying to do as long as you listened to his story.
Considering everything that we learn about the Sundering in Endwalker, once you see this scene again your sympathy for Emet-Selch kind of drops a lot, considering what they were doing to bring Zodiark to life to begin with, not to mention what they actually want.
I disagree.
In the end, the Ascians were right. In the end, Zodiark would have brought back all those sacrificed to call him. And at what cost? The lives of non-sapient organisms born into the world after Zodiark saved it.
Hydaelyn is guilty not of genocide, but of omnicide.
Nowhere does it state that the new life the Ancients planned to sacrifice was non-sapient. It's strongly inplied to be otherwise.
I'm so glad we're all wrong on this.
I'm so glad.
laughs in endwalker
@@CrashB111 yep, it was to be sacrifices of all the sundered humanity to bring back the ancients who sacrificed themselves.
This did not age well.