DOC HARLEY: GEAR SHIFTER BLUES
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2019
- Doc Harley from the Service Clinic at Low Country Harley-Davidson to help you with the health of your motorcycle! This week he shares a tip on how you can avoid finding yourself with the gear shifter blues.
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Doc Harley is a motorcycle technician at Low Country Harley-Davidson with over thirty years working on motorcycles. Over the years at the dealership he has worked on Harley-Davidson, Buell, and Triumph motorcycles with a few other brands here and there from trade-ins. There are thousands of how-to videos out on youtube and other websites across the world. Doc’s goal is to help solve problems that people run into when using their service manual, share insights only found as a certified Harley® technician, and some of the tips he’s picked up over the years.
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Adding to the previous comment. When I checked the shifter lever it had a lot of back and forth play . I have a 2000 Heritage Softail and I do all my own work. The shifter lever was never on my radar to check but it is now. The Harley replacement bolt is part number 856A and the Canadian price is $2.25 taxes in. I use a drop of blue locktight and the Harley torque spec is 18 to 22 ft pounds. If the Harley Dealer does not have the part in stock a 5/16 - 24 x 1 inch thread socket head cap screw will work just fine. Again I would like to thank Doc Harley for a great video that probable saved me a lot of money and a lot of aggravation.
How many went and checked their bikes shifter after watching? ...lol
I will when I get home.
Doc, I'll tell you what. You're one of the best there is and I appreciate the knowledge you're handing out.
Agreed.
I don’t even own a Harley.. yet I’ve learned so much from all your tips. Thanks Doc.. and to all the guys at Low Country Harley for making these videos possible.
Keep up the great work..!!!
Doc. You are really doing a good service to the public Harley owners. Keeps all of us safe.
Just got lucky and came across the video.I bought a 05 Soft Tail back in 2019.And I noticed a few day's ago my shifter seemed or just felt different.And sure enough.The bolt had started to become a little loose So I used a ball end and just put in a new bolt with a dab of blue lock tight on a couple of threads.And just went on and replaced the bushing on my foot shifter because it had a little more play in it than I liked.So I guess I caught it at the right time.I usaly inspect my bike nearly every time before I go riding Makes good since to check the nuts and bolts.Knowing everything is tight makes for a better ride.Was taught to check your bike by my uncle's when I was getting into bikes and that's always stayed with me.I just wish they were still around to ride with.
Thank you for the information on the shifter lever. After watching the video I went out and checked mine to make sure things were tight.
I just went through the situation you were talking about. Had to remove the transmission inners to replace the shifter pawl assembly. Just now getting everything ready for assembly. Thanks Doc for all you do for us.
Thanks for sharing…..Doc
Once a week on my bike a week. Brake lever, shift linkage, go around put an allen wrench on each bolt. Every week some of them bolts are 1/4 turn to snug. So absolutely check your stuff.
I replaced this lever with a Beueller's Better Lever. It is a 2 piece instead of the pinch bolt. I still check it routinely, but it has never loosened in over 10 yrs.
Thanks for the info...Doc
i had this fail on my 1989 FXLR lowrider while on a roadtrip.. my parking lot repair was, clean shaft/arm with spray cleaner,
use 271 {red} Loctite, new bolt and torque bolt as much as i could. since we were at the motel, i let the Loctite 'set-up' for
12 hrs or so.. this repair worked well, so well that i used the bike for 8 more years before i sold it with this repair!
This is a great video. Thank you! Just checked mine and it's very loose. (Not for long, though.)
Edit: If you need a new screw and don't want to go to the dealership, it's a 5/16 - 24 by 1" Grade 8 fastener. Takes a 1/4" Allen wrench.
Great tip. Thanks, Doc and Low Country HD. Keep up the great work.
Another great service tip from the "Doc". Thanks.
Excellent DOC!!! Thanks for helping us save money and riding safe!
Great video. Clear and to the point. Thank you.
Thanks Doc. Great info. I've heard that can be something to check regularly.
Excellent advice, thank you!
Great information Doc small things can turn into costly repairs 😮
Hey doc, so appreciative of your knowledge, a hundred and three thanks.
Great advice. Learned a lot from you Doc.
Great tip. Thanks Doc!
The Doc is my hero!!
Thanks for the tips
Great video of a real world problem and solution. Keep up the good work.
Really basic but essential information, Doc. Thanks a bunch
Thanks David….Doc
Thanks for the heads up. Going to check mine right now
As a german i really appriciate your clean english👍🏻 there are many technikal Support Videos in the net, but unfortunately I don't understand them . Also your Support is still the best.
Would love to work with you together. Should I ever come back to the US, I'll take time for a visit. Best regards from Germany👍🏻😎
Doc great tip! Gonna check it in the am when I change out my leaking stater plug.
I will be taking a look at mine. Thanks Doc.
Great video Doc. Thanks for the heads up!
Ride safe from Sydney Australia.
Thanks! Good job
Another good tip! I enjoy all your vidoes & have learned either how to repair various issues or to know that maybe I need professional assistance. Thanks!!!
Thanks for the great information! People like you taking your time to do videos like this sure helps people more than you think. I think I seen mine loose, and was going to take it to a shop. But now I can just do it myself on my time & dime. Thanks!!!! 👍🏻✌🏻
@Dissident Aggressor lol, thanks. An amazingly simple fix for a problem I've been overthinking for days....
You know what's really funny (in an "oh, just kick me in the ass cuz I'm stupid" way), is that I vaguely vaguely remember taking a slicing wheel on a 4" grinder to do just that, as a kid on a dirt bike I had....
Thanks great information
Great info for new riders! You must! Do a precheck or preventive maintenance on your bike before every ride so you can be confident that your bike will perform and endure so you can focus on the road and enjoy the ride .Great vid Doc ! 👍✌😎
Great tip😀thanks Doc Harley
Thanks for the tip!
Great informative videos . Thanks for sharing
If the splines go bad, you don’t have to remove the transmission from the case. Jims makes a tool where you can easily change it out while the transmission is still in the case, saves a lot of time and work! Btw I enjoy all of your videos and am a huge fan of yours!
Can you be a little bit more Pacific about Jim's. Is that a manufacturer or a dealer? Just in case it ever happens to my bike
@@darrinleazer6784 tool manufacturer, makes a lot of specialty tools for Harley's
Thanks Doc Harley
Thanks Doc!
Thanks Doc I didn't know until your video. New bolt fixed.
Great video. This is near the top on tech tips. Also search "5 things to tighten on a Harley".
We appreciate all you guys helping us keep 'em runnin'.
Thank you Doctor. I’m also the person that suggested that you do the Video on the throttle tube
Serious and professional as usual ❗
The best Harley YT channel which really cares 'bout riders and their bikes 👍💚
I appreciate that Toro53....Doc
Perfect thank you!
Once again great info Doc!
Thanks again…..Doc
Doc, I just discovered your channel recently and love the tech tips. This one hits close to home for me. I ride a 2012 Road King. In 2016 I took a road trip from Charleston to California and back. In Jamestown, CA my shifter fell off the transmission shaft. I was able to get it back on and ride it to the Harley dealer where the techs were very helpful in replacing the bolt with a new one. I think this is a major oversight on the engineers part. Why do they use a completely threaded bolt instead of using a shoulder bolt. The thin threads are subject to compression from the vibration thus allowing enough room for the lever to slide off the shaft. Fortunately the splines on my transmission shaft were not damaged. I made it back across country with no more issues although I checked the play of the lever many many times out of paranoia. When I got home I replaced the lever and the OEM bolt with a proper length shoulder bolt and installed with lock tight. That was close to 25,000 miles ago now and it has not loosened. Thanks again for producing these videos. I have learned a lot watching them.
Josh can you put in an application at H-D? We could really use your On The Road experience in the engineering department. Thanks ~ Doc
THANKS DOC
This is important on any atv or motorcycle
This guy's voice is amazing.
Doc Harley, your videos are excellent and your instruction tremendously helpful. Look forward to meeting you in person one day when visiting your dealership.
Thank. You. Doc. Steps
Literally this is my problem! Thank you
Great news Christian 👍…..Doc
Had a 2015 Street 750. Had to tighten my Shifter Pedal. The part where it connects to the input side of the Trans. If I remember correctly, I felt it when shifting gears.
Great tip. Most people would never think of checking that till it’s too late. Do you put a little blue thread locker on that bolt? Thanks.
Wow. I like your video. I just by my first Harley a Electra glide 2012. And god tips to look true your bike its nice. Thanks a lot.
Gonna check mine right now.
Thank. You. Doc.
Thanks, I just had a problem with something similar to that on my trike.
Last year I had to replace shifter pawl assembly on my 87 Heritage Softail (broke the stock shifter pawl spring - replaced it with a Baker unit). I replaced the allen pinch bolt on the shifter lever coming out of the tranny with a 12 point bolt. Same grade of bolt as an Allen but far easier to properly torque without the risk of stripping the hex of socket head cap screw.
Well done…..Doc
Thanks Doc. Just so folks know, the flange on the head of a 12 point bolt is the same as the head diameter of a socket head cap screw. Just check your McMaster-Carr catalog. They give you all the specs and dimensions of any hardware they sell. If you get one of their catalogs, never loan it out, you may never see it again.
Will check mine asp...
brilliant tips here ...appreciated...
Dang, I'm going to check mine right now!
Thanks doc.
I have actually seen this on my own bike. And yes' I noticed that it is loose, so' Doc I definitely appreciate you sharing this little bit of very important message. Because tomorrow morning I'm definitely going to fix that problem before it becomes a bigger problem.
That makes it all worth it 👍….Doc
@@LowCountryHarleyDavidson I actually would like to ride down there and visit the shop sometime. I live here in Lexington NC. But' since I used to have to drive through SC, to get to a job site, ( I'm a welder by trade) I know that right after you start getting pass Charlotte, just as you are starting to get on the county line, the traffic is bad. It actually gets me nervous to even drive through there, because of them doing road work in the area. I'm trying to find a different route to get there riding my bike, and just visit the shop or store there. Anyway' I really enjoy watching your videos, and I have learned so much about what needs to be done to keep up the maintenance on my bike. I will definitely try to get down there soon though.
Thanks for sharing these videos! I have an harley 48 2016 when i ride for long periods i can not find the N, it does not appear the N light but the bike it moves in neutral.
SO simple....and SO important....Thanks Doc! Just send me your bill......
I absolutely love this guy. He should be teaching mc techs
Thanks for your support Dan…..Doc
I’m gonna do that NOW!!!
I had this exact problem, after buying a used motorcycle, it’s a “pull the primary, yank the transmission, a variety of specialized tools and for me 3 days of walking back and forth and around the bike. “ not including $500 for parts and tools.
I bought a used bike with starter problems, every dealer said it needed a starter. (CLICK CLICK & kick back) One day it would not start when far from home. (TOW TRUCK TIME) Jumped the bike off the battery, still click click. Then used Jumper cable, One side to battery and the other to frame. Bike started up, then I knew there was a bad ground. Got Home and took seat off, cleaned both ground wires, Bike runs great with full voltage and starts great with full AMPS. Maybe you can say something about the ground wires under the seat. (KEEP THEM CLEAN AND TIGHT)
I invented a part called the grease eliminator, it's a bushing that fits on the shift shift. Keeps grease in and rattles out
That bolt should receive blue loctite as well.
New bolts from the dealer come with factory applied locktite
Doc, If you have the primary covers off and the shift lever exposed ,I remove the lever and drill a 3 mm hole that just touches the spline bore opposite the clamping slot on the lever, this allows more clamping compression and takes up any slack ( the lever Is softer than the axle spline).I do this mod to all Harleys that require removal of the primary cases when they are in my shop. Have not had a failure yet.
From one wrench to another Thank you....Doc
One damn screw can do a lot of damage! Man this sucks if it ever happens. Great video.
it's a bad thing that Doc's service clinic is so far away from central europe, my serviceman of trust.
Hi Doc harley i love the videos im a big fan 👍 im watching all the way ireland i have a 200y dyna and im putting mid mounts back on her for a differient look can you pleade help me with a tutorial of how to in stall the new shift shaft for the mid controls do i need to remove the primary ??ive just bought a second hand set of mid mounts and linkages and i need to buy a shift shaft but If theres anything you can help with that would be great thanks
Universal Joint...YOUR BEST FRIEND!
Hey Doc, great vlog...is this your way of giving us the gears on keeping things tight, lol
Doc.....what tool do you recommend for drifting out the shift shaft bushings in the inner primary cover? Would it be best to replace them when the engine is hot?
Great video doc.would blue loctite be applicable
Can i move my shifter closer to me. I have an 03 anniversary edition HD super wide fxd? Thanks for the help
In what gear do you check for the free play like you showed in the Video? Also Doc what is the size of the bolt that I need to replace if needed?
That bolt should be routinely checked. I have tightened them on the side of the road for riders who think thats where you do preventative maintenance. The whole gear shifter set up sees a lot of use, obviously.
What’s the name of that bolt when I call Harley?
Hi Doc I like your your u tube videos. Do you have a utube video out on how to remove the transmission from its housing while still bolted to the rest of the motor and frame?
There is a aftermarket lever from better lever for this problem that will prevent the need of disassembling the transmission.
Doc do you have a part number for shift lever?
Thanks for that. For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
My shifter lever kept getting loose, changed it to an arp bolt and hasn’t loosened up since.
Doc what size Allen is that?
I understand that our bikes wear. Yet the entire shift assembly setup needs to be addressed once and for all! This is a constant issue and it's sad that the engineers haven't addressed and remedied it. This issue continues to plague even the late model touring bikes more often than not. I get it, I've added it to my monthly checklist of things they may get loose. It's happening far too long for the engineers not to do something about it.
I have a 1998 fatboy and that shift lever is loose. I tightened it and it is still loose. I went behind the primary case with a bore scope and the rod moves when I move the lever back and forth which indicates to me that it’s tight and something is going on inside the transmission. I know it’s hard to say without seeing it yourself but any idea of what it could be?
Blue locktite on that bolt?????
Checked mine and it's was loose..... Thanks "Doc".....
The correct torque is hard to find in my service manual for my 2006 Fat Boy. I think its supposed to be 18-22 ft-lbs 24-30 Nm
You have great videos, thank you.
I have a question: people with other videos are saying to:
Pre loading the shifter on a Harley Davidson when shifting gears (applying light pressure on the shifter), it will make quicker and smother shifts?
I would think this will cause premature ware on the transmission.
What is your view on this method?
Why is anyone in a hurry to shift? There is play in the shift assembly. So taking up that free play is ok without hurting any parts. Note: I did this “Internet” suggestion until I rode a 120R built Harley. When I hit the gas my body rocked back and foot shifted into the next gear! What a ride😆 Thanks ~ Doc
Great video! How do you feel about starting the bike in gear, clutch in sitting on the bike. Is there potential damage being caused?
Yes. I do not advise starting in gear. Thanks, ~ Doc
Anyone know the bolt size & thread ?
Can we put blue Loctite on that thread?