My head cannon for the last point as to why the classic doctors are more violent and use guns more is that the modern doctors are scarred by the time war and stay away from violence when possible whereas the classic doctors haven’t dealt with that yet
This makes sense, especially if you consider how the Ninth Doctor acts. He's extremely aggressive at times *ESPECIALLY* regarding Daleks because he's fresh out of the Time War where he believes they forced him to genocide (at least) two races, learning that the Daleks survived. Because of course they did. But when push comes to shove in The Parting of Ways, The Doctor stays true to his post-war promise of pacifism refusing to kill the Daleks even if doing so would save half of humanity and the rest of the universe. He only tends to waiver after that point when his loved ones are in danger (or harmed), or when the despotic Time Lords (who are potentially worse than the Daleks) return.
@@lordolxinator The Ninth Doctor at the beginning of Series 1 would have gladly blown the Daleks up sky high regardless of the sarcifices, he'd already done it once before, it's just over the course of Series 1, Rose (before the love plotline) was there to guide him and help him through his pain and brought him back onto his normal moral track for the modern era.
That doesn't explain the nuwho doctor's violence against the cybermen for example how he turns off the emotional inhibitors in the cyber controllers army
"The man who never would" quote is more consistent with the purity of revenge than it is with violence itself. He's surrounded by violence often and is tormented when he's had to participate, but he never would exact revenge on someone who has submitted. If you surrender to The Doctor he will actually protect your life in the hopes of transforming it into something better. I hope that clears things up a bit.
It was pointed out in the extras of the Day of the Daleks dvd that the doctor shot an Ogron in cold blood when he was under no immediate threat. Ill get my coat 😆
I always just thought of it as one of those ideals that only belonged to a specific regeneration of The Doctor, since each Doctor has their own personality and beliefs.
While the Doctor does not utter the line, in The Curse of Fatal Death his companion Emma says “He was never cruel and never cowardly, and it'll never be safe to be scared again.” which I think counts as the first onscreen mention of that now famous phrase.
You forgot he wasn’t always interested in his companions, romantically. “Have you met Sarah Jane? She’s my best friend.” is the closest Classic Who got to romance since Hartnell “accidentally” got married to a Mayan. Even Tom and Lalla played it cool on screen. Only when McGann’s Eighth Doctor takes a shine to his new lady friend, which is more of an American idea push, does he really show any inkling of romance. I found out years later, many asexual fans saw him as their ideal, and were angered by this, and later Companions. Then there’s Rose and the Pond family. (And arguably Jack.) We all know how that turned out. At least Martha had the sense to realize he was just an infatuation and moved on from those ideas. Yaz, I must have missed the obvious until it was shoved in our faces. If anything, I’d love to see Yaz meet a male Doctor, and realize she could not love him like she did 13.
I think most of the time, the doctor isn't that interested At least in new who, it's usally the companions who are. And companion wise, it's only rose, river, yaz, and Martha
@@lunatardisflyer102 What about Reinette? Yes, technically she wasn't a companion, but the Doctor had some interest in her and weren't it for her death, he might have offered her a trip in the TARDIS (I think he actually did, but she died, so that got unfulfilled). And we know, that that was definitely on both sides, not just Reinette, or just the Doctor, but both of them were romantically involved.
"The Man Who Never Would" refers to the Doctor not killing out of cold blood, cruelty, anger, revenge or malice.....like the Holo 7th Doctor told Ace in Power of the Doctor, "It's never OK to blow things up.".....the Doctor is so old (by my guess 14 would be well in the 3000s) and has traveled the universe so much (going to alter universes like E-space, Pete's World, and the House Bubble) that the Doctor realizes that ignorance and stupidity are just as common as the stars....that is why the Doctor always gives people a chance to turn things around before the coup de grace is release
The pacifism one is really dependent on how you define pacifism. There is absolute pacifism but also conditional pacifism in which violence can be justified. The man who never would means he wouldn't commit murder not that he would never be violent in certain circumstances
I liked 12 in seasons 8 & 9, but I was disappointed when he became a typical goodie-two-shoes nice guy in season 10. The brooding Doctor was refreshing to me, and I suppose a little relatable as I'm also relatively brooding.
I honestly thought the whole jelly babies thing started with the fourth doctor so I'm actually really surprised to find out that it really started with the second doctor! 😂 I also thought it was really refreshing to see the thirteenth doctor regenerate outside the tardis. I actually think having david tennant as the fourteenth doctor before we get ncuti gatwa as the fifteenth doctor is a good idea. It gives fans a chance to get over the controversial timeless child story before starting a fresh with series 14. ☺️
I love the modern series regeneration because it just makes everything around them completely explode so on the doctors planet it must have been completely insane buildings constantly blowing up it just makes me laugh, you could be in your kitchen one day and your next door neighbours house just explodes, you nod and just say "he's changed again"
it is a little amusing, but i reckon the Time-Lords had "regeneration" rooms built that would instantly repair post-regeneration. Probably due to a self-isolated temporal reverse mechanic. Akso, I don't think everyone could regenerate as not all Gallifreyan were Time-Lords. the Doctor never explains his regeneration as a "Gallifreyan trick" tio cheat death, after all. He always connected it to the Time Lords... unless I'm missing something. Been a while since I watched the show, and I'm currently on the 9th Doctor during my rewatch. I can't stand the effects of the Classic series, or the echo-y audio, or the relatively exaggerated and sometimes cheesy acting which was considered normal during those days.
You can see that within the show, like Hell Bent very clearly shown the regeneration of the War General inside a building. I think all Timelords were pretty aware of when they received fatal injury and were about to regenerate, so they secluded themselves from other people and destructable stuff as much as possible.
She didn’t that’s why it wasn’t included as regenerations that happened inside the tardis Ellie only mentioned regenerations that actually took place onboard the tardis witch was 1 into 2 5 into 6 and 6 into 7 for the classic era
While watching Power of the Doctor, I had a headcanon of the TARDIS DESPERATELY hoping that 13 will regenerate outside this time and being so relieved when she did...
I can see why everyone gets it wrong about the Doctor regenerating in the TARDIS; especially with the modern series, which is what most people have bothered watching, it's a relief things have changed.
I think the doctor doesn’t use guns and hates violence more in new who for a reason. The time war, obviously. It’s obviously because of that, like I feel that’s the genuine in cannon reason.
The Doctor normally doesn't use guns - although even in NUWHO he can (and has on some occasions). I would add, sometimes they have used the sonic screwdriver as a gun.
@@KnightRanger38 yeh but not rlly like I don’t think he does he seems very against it a lot. Like the times I’ve seen him use one he has never pulled the trigger. Apart from once against a machine
Age 55 in the William Hartnell era was much older than it was in Peter Capaldi's day. So, statistically speaking, Hartnell WAS ancient. Mostly, it's the standard of health care. I've already survived at least five things that would have killed me fifty years ago. Thanks, medical science! 🙂
Arguably, the Eleventh Doctor regenerates outside the TARDIS as well, albeit back into his default younger version. Okay, he finishes regenerating in the TARDIS, but the bulk of it's already done by that point.
I don't think the 13th Doctor was ejected from the Tardis. She seemed to have just fallen out. If your justification is that the Tardis made her fall out intentionally, I have my doubts. The 10th Doctor's regeneration into the 11th Doctor showed him stumbling around. Along with the screen movements, it's heavily implied that the Tardis is falling in all kinds of directions. Also, I think the show writers intentionally had the Doctor regenerate in the Tardis. In my mind, the Tardis being destroyed is mirroring the Doctor's death and revival. It also served as a convenient way to redesign the Tardis for the next Doctor.
Yea, 13th fell out of the TARDIS and the poor girl dematerialized shortly after. 12th's regeneration broke most of the console room to the point, where some stuff ceased to work properly, 13th after looking at her image pushed some button, which resulted in a shortcut and that shock threw her out. She wasn't desperately ejected by the TARDIS. Although, after her dematerialization, the TARDIS was stuck in a loop on another planet, I think that's why people could think, that she threw 13th out deliberately.
It's been my headcanon that the Jelly Babies go back even farther than Patrick Troughton, and that they originate in the little bag of candy William Hartnell has at the end of The Celestial Toymaker that gives him a toothache.
@@robalexander8065 Tom Baker offered a man Jelly Babies in the Sunmakers and we could see they clearly weren't Jelly Babies but Liquorice Allsorts. Jelly Babies at this point are whatever the Doctor says is a Jelly Baby.
Exactly what I said. It’s a flaw in a lot of ‘New Who’ fans, they think everyone is ignorant of the past. I’ve been watching since 1979. I know my stuff.
Here’s one > some people call the character Doctor Who even tho it’s just the Doctor the show is Doctor Who not the character even my teacher did this once 😂😂
The chief offender in this one is "The War Machines", where he's explicitly referred to as "Doctor Who". Like Terrance Dicks said, "Canon is whatever I can remember at the time."
Actually the show itself referred to him as Doctor Who in the credits up until 2006, the Doctor has been referred to as Doctor Who in the show many times, most if not all the actors refer to the character they played as Doctor Who as a way of avoiding confusion with other people, and most other people involved in production of the show refer to the character as The Doctor and Doctor Who interchangeably. So yes, the character's name isn't _technically_ Dr. Who, but to avoid confusion, it basically is, and pulling people up on it can end up making YOU seem like the idiot because most fans acknowledge this.
Regarding the last point, taken in context, he never would. “He” being Ten, at that point in his regeneration. The numbering of the Doctors is something that is really only used by writers, and fans. It is rarely mentioned in the show. The one exception that comes to mind is in “The Five Doctors”, where Richard Hurndall, playing the first Doctor, asks Peter Davison, “Regeneration?”. Davison replies “Fourth”, to which Hurndall replies, “So there are five of me now”. The numbering is messed up now, anyway, even if you disregard the War Doctor (who was named as such, just to keep the numbering intact). People forget that Tennant played Ten, but was mortally wounded, and regenerated into… himself, so he was technically Eleven as well. Smith should have been Twelve, Capaldi Thirteen, etc. This is even addressed by Smith, who explains to Clara that he is the twelfth regeneration, due to Tennant, and “Captain Grumpy”. Still, if someone says Ten, Eleven, or Twelve, we know they are referring to Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi, respectively. I actually loved that once scene, where Missy is regaling a story about how the Doctor was in an impossible situation, yet survived. He is initially, fleetingly, dressed as the fourth Doctor, but you cannot see his face, but as she goes on, he morphs into Capaldi, because, in Missy’s eyes, they are all the same person.
Yea, Tennant regenerated into himself, but he kept the face, personality and stuff, his regeneration is essentially just healing, he even explained it as that "I've used the energy to heal myself, but didn't want to change, why would I? So I've sent the rest of the energy to the nearest compatible recipient." talking about the hand. So the Doctor healed, but didn't change, meaning it's not a whole regeneration. Yes, the whole energy was spent, but after healing the rest of that spent energy was sent to the hand. So while it counts as a regeneration energy spent, it doesn't count as a whole regeneration underwent. He is still the same 10th Doctor. Why would he have to be count as 11th? He didn't change into another man, he just healed his wounds and used a trick to avoid the change. It is yet another regeneration, but it is still the same Doctor and there is a clear difference between those two. Regeneration and Doctor are often interchangeable, when each of the Doctor speaks about his/her former "regeneration" (meaning personality and whatnot), but when people outside the show refer to these terms, regeneration means the process, while Doctor number 1 to 13 means each personality. So while a regeneration event occured, a personality didn't change. That means 10th Doctor's first regeneration (the Meta Crisis event) is a regeneration, but isn't a different Doctor, so no need for the next number in the row. 10th Doctor is still 10th Doctor, not 11th. Matt Smith is proper 11th and always will be.
Something that you missed in the modern Doctor Who, they keep saying he has a secret but in the original they never even say anything about it except for 1 episode in Sylvester's run as the Doctor.
"The man who never would" line I believe is referring to cold blooded killing but even then the doctor himself doesn't believe he's a good man I mean even at Demons Run he says to the woman in charge (can't remember her name) "good men don't need rules, now is not the time to find out why I have so many" basically saying the rules stop him from going too far as probably part of his trauma from the time war and what he believed he did until the day of the doctor.
People often get the spelling of Jon Pertwee, Peter Davison, Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant's names wrong. Also the pronunciation of Capaldi. It's "Ca pal di" not "Ca paul di".
Yeh, 6 didn't push those guys into the acid bath.. the first dude stumbled back in shock cause he thought the doctor was dead, falling in.. the second guy got dragged in by the first.. all the doctor did was stand there and go.. "forgive me if I don't join you" :)
It also rejuvenated him from being physically old to his regular 11th self (possibly still atop the church tower) before changing into 12th. And the change itself was very quick, like a sneeze. XD
I've always held the belief that the Doctor is the immune system of the universe, with the ability to use tools or others to solve a crisis, but with a preference to be an all-bearing stopper of any type of invasive creature as they come along to their timeline and happenstance.
To be fair, the 6th Doctor was suffering from SEVERE regeneration sickness, and he never actually pushed anyone into the acid. They fell in without his interference
The Seventh Doctor seems perfectly okay post-regeneration - until the Rani gives him an injection to leave him amnesiac. His subsequent confusion is a result of this until his encounter with the real Mel (as opposed to the Rani in disguise) and after that he seems *mostly* okay. It's certainly not post-regeneration trauma like that we've seen so often since the Doctor's fourth regeneration.
As to the violence - Third Doctor literally went for Venusian Karate fights whenever possible, sometimes it's even as if he chose to fight instead of the other options.
Good writing never went anywhere and the only genuine retcon in the show’s history is making the Doctor a Time Lord of Gallifrey rather than a future human of an Earth colony.
@@DrWhoFanJ I assume devilsletsplays is referring to the Timeless Child story where regenerations prior to what we thought was the 1st Doctor were revealed without realizing this was strongly hinted at during the 4th Doctor's (Tom Baker) run where previously unseen regenerations were seen.
@@wallacewallaby5782 Indeed they are. It’s an extremely common misconception that I’ve seen trotted out time and time again by people who falsely insist the faces were Morbius, which makes no sense whatsoever from both a plot and IRL perspective.
@@DrWhoFanJ So.... You're saying that the Doctor was utterly shite at that mind combat sequence and didn't score a single hit on Morbius? That makes no sense to me.
the moment i saw the final entry, i just about bursted out laughing. the doctor sure as hell is NOT a pacifist from what i noticed, just that he doesn't use weapons/guns....this has not stopped him from providing some of his adversaries with a fate infinitely worse than death. lord knows i need only turn to "the family of blood" to show that
Ever since The Doctor said, "But for now, for this moment, I am the Doctor again." (John Hurt, "The Day of The Doctor") I've basically given up on the numbering, as Jon Hurt seemed to be, to me, the proper 10th. But then we had "Timeless Child", "The Dream Doctor", "The Valeyard", "The Fugative Doctor". As always thank you so very much for the videos.
actually he would be the 4th ... as he was the war doctor ... and he didnt call himself the doctor because he didnt do the doctor ... he did war ... only in the special did he regain his way and become the doctor ... this would make tom baker number 5 and so on ... BUT as he was recorded as the war doctor ... and he refused the title of doctor ... he is one without being counted as one ... making tom baker the 4th ... and so on ... also people forget the curator ... is also the doctor ... making the 14th doctor actually the 15th ... and the newest one 16th ... as the curator ... is a revisit of an old face ... in his retirement ... and as we see him at the end of a special with the war doctor and the one who forgets and the one who hates ... making setting all the doctors from 9 onwards out place in time and space ... . which this who culture site NEVER has caught on to ... and they have missed the new seasons of plot lines because they have missed all the returns and cross overs and previous stories ... . also the timeless child and those who became immortal because of them are not doctors ... the doctor is and only is the doctor when he corrects the imbalance of evil and good ... as the first doctor gets told perhaps its just some bloke who goes around making things right ... making them and ONLY them the doctor ... the rest are just time lords ... who stole their immortality from a child because they could ...
@@kaboom-zf2bl actually the war doctor is the 9th doctor, if you watch the night of the doctor you can see the 8th doctor regenerate into the war doctor, so he isn’t the 4th doctor. As for the curator, that is a regeneration that hasn’t happened yet, so it doesn’t effect the current numbering.
@@watermeloxn well considering the time war they are talking about was between the 3rd and 4th doctor your version is IMPOSSIBLE ... that is the key time point he was the incarnation for the time war .... not for the christmas special where he gets a chance to make a different choice
Thank you very much all for your reply’s. Your response is valid and appreciated. And yes, looking at my old notes, (plus updates) he was indeed number 9. (Whoops and thank you for the correction.) Here’s how I arrived at my number: (Doctor’s on “Doctor Who” television show.) 1st Doctor William Hartnell (also Richard Hurndall, and David Bradley). 2nd Doctor: Patrick Troughton. 3rd Doctor: Jon Pertwee. (Technically my 3rd Doctor, and my favorite.) 4th Doctor: Tom Baker. 5th Doctor: Peter Davison. 6th Doctor: Colin Baker. 7th Doctor: Sylvester McCoy. 8th Doctor: Paul McGann. (Regenerated into…) John Hurt. (Regenerated into…) Christopher Eccleston. (Regenerated into…) David Tennant. (Regenerated into…) Matt Smith. (Regenerated into…) Peter Capaldi. (Regenerated into…) Jodie Whittaker. (Regenerated into…) David Tennant (?) (Regenerated into…) Ncuti Gatwa. Honorable (and not so honorable, or confirmed) mention: Movie Doctor: Peter Cushing. Valeyard: Michael Jayston Dream Doctor: Toby Jones. Timeless Child: (Various). Young Doctor: (In “Listen” S8•E4)(Rummored to have been Ty Tennant) Fugative Doctor: Jo Martin “Final Doctor”, aka Doctor 45, aka Doctor Moon: Colin Salmon. (Quote Steven Moffat: “In my head (and ONLY in my head, thihs probably never appear on screen, or be confirmed in any way) River’s not just [the Doctor’s] wife - she’s his widow. Somewhere in the terrible future, on a battlefield, the 45th Doctor dies in her arms and makes her the same promise she once made him - it’s not over for you, you’ll see me again. So River buries her husband and off she goes to have lots of adventures with his younger selves and confuse the hell out of them. Until, of course, she ends up in the data core of the Library Planet, and realizes she’ll never see him again. And then she starts to wonder why anyone would call a moon ‘Doctor.’ Ahhh…”) Respect to the many Parodies of the Doctor, and Big Finish Radio Doctors, too numerous to mention. Did I miss any? 🙂
Watch 'Vengeance on Varos" closely. The first attendant into the 'bath' is accident. When he's facing off with the other and the stretcher, he's pushing it away when he's against the bath and PULLING it AWAY from the bath when facing it. He's trying to keep his assailant out of the bath!
I'm inclined to disagree with the last part. I think the time war changed the character drastically as he vowed to avoid violence and, to his credit, did so where he could. The events of dalek and parting of the ways solidify this for me where, even though he knows humanity will survive in some shape or form, he still can't activate the delta wave. Also in dalek it's the first time he's seen one since their supposed extinction and knows just how dangerous one is. Also, long shot, but ptsd could be a factor too.
The guys in 'Vengeance On Varos', are NOT pushed into the acid bath by the Doctor. The first falls in after being surprised that the Doctor, who he thinks is dead, gets up. His agonized flailing about, causes the second bloke to fall in, too. The Doctor winces at the deliquesing pair, and leaves them with that rather unnecessary quip, about not joining them.
the regen issues you mentioned. yh matt smith had those also. walking into a tree, random anger moments(throws plate). the reason it was diffrent was because she was a kid. the doctor held themselves together because they were a kid. its most of that doctors exsistance. " You never interfere with the affairs of other peoples or planets, unless there are children crying?". even when river song poisoned him, what kept him going was the kid. the last moment was him no longer being needed by her. also he flys away in the tardis, twice so much of that time might have been when they let themselves release it better.
OK! I am a Doctor Who fan boy of old...But I will concede I DO INDEED get the Origin of the Jelly Babies Wrong... But in my defence... I grew up with Tom Bakers Doctor!!! I think it became so Iconic with Baker because according to legend, The first time he pulls them out in an episode and offers one - Baker reputedly forgot his line... And it kind of stuck making it more iconic than it had been previously! Is the Legend True? I don't bloody know... But its a nice story, be even better if it is true!
Actually the Sixth Doctor did not send those two mortician into the acid bath. One fell in accidently when his partner pushed into him, and then the one who fell in clearly tries to grab onto his partner to get out but pulls him in instead. Another misconception of the Sixth Doctor! Also I would argue that the Doctor never Intended to strangle Peri, that was clearly Spectrox Toximia that took over his mind. Also you could state that the 10th Doctor is the man who never would, not the other incarnations.
The jodie whitaker era wasnt the first time the doctor regenerated outside the tardis in the new who era, Capaldi regenerated outside the tardis when trying to convince himself of Bills trust.
The fact that we're in a situation where it can be argued that David Tennant was/is the 10th, 11th (counting Hurt OR Partial Regen), 12th (counting Hurt AND the Partial Regen), 14th, 15th and/or 16th (same logic as 10. 11, 12) Doctor is just crazy.
If you have always know that the Doctor doesn't need to be in the TARDIS to regenerate, you are probably old ( like me ... and a Original Fourth Doctor Tom Baker Fan ... )
the 5th Doctor did shoot Omega who was in (5th Doctors image) to stop Omega from destroying universe, and 3rd Doctor was fond of using martial arts that he learned on an alien world, also the Peter Cushing version of the doctor was the only one who called himself Doctor Who Peter Cushing's version wasn't TV Canon, but he still counts in my book
sad part the only ones who get those things wrong are the ones who came after the reboot .. the tom baker era people know this out of hand ... . and as for pubquiz fights ... canon says tennant is 14 as well ... making the newest guy 15 ... and we know the doctor will revisit old faces ... when we say the curator ... it was all preset for this re-reboot of doctor who ... so they could recover the true doctor and forget about dora the explorer in the tardis
I think the best way to end any confusion over Tennant being 10 and 14 is compare to Prime Minister and Presidents who serve non-consecutive terms like Winston Churchill being 62nd and 64th Prime Minister!
Numbering is confusing. References to Capaldi and Whitaker as 12 and 13 are erroneous because in "Time of the Doctor" Smith gets granted additional regenerations on the basis he was the final (13th) version, which tracks with the idea Tennant kept a face for two stints, and Captain Grumpypants counted (aside: Hurt was awesome), as stated in onscreen canon. Capaldi may have been the 12th actor in the lead role (sorry Sir John, your tenure was guest actor only), but he wasn't truly the 12th Doctor in canon. Even ignoring the previous incarnations from "Timeless Child" (and "Brain of Morbius") the next after Whitaker would be 16th. If we're going for counting actors in the lead role, I'll agree with Whitaker being 13th, but as Tennant has prior experience, Gatwa is 14th regardless of RTD's comments... Unless we include Cushing from the films, but even then Tennant's not 14, but Gatwa might be 15. 🤯 I'm going to revert to my opening statement, numbering is confusing. If WhoCulture staff would like a version of this mad rambling in video form I'd be happy to appear as a guest presenter, gratis.
The Doctor uses a gun if it he has to. The Fourth took one off a villain in The Android Invasion. Sarah Jane: “You’d never use that.” The Doctor: “THEY don’t know that!” 😅
David Tennant only insisted to be credited as that in Christmas Invasion, his introducing say Doctor Who meaning when he was announced at the end of Power of the Doctor as the 14th it was the first time he'd been introduced as The Doctor!
Misty says the doctor choice the name "Doctor Who because he thought made him sound mysterious" and when Bill and Norvel ask him about it "that can't really be your name?" He eventually says it is, and when he's regenerating, he says, only tell children your name their the only ones who will ever understand it."
I swear Missy reveals in one of the episodes that he chose the name 'doctor who' when he was younger because he thought it sounded cool then he later dropped the 'who' part after he grew out of it
I can't speak for everyone, but I think newer/younger viewers would at least try to catch up with what came earlier, if they cared enough about the show. I mean, I started with New Who, and took so much of a break from it, that I practically started it again this decade (with an era I mostly missed last time) and I haven't seen a single Classic Who episode/part in full - yet, I still want to see as many of them as I can. I think people in general would be at least open to checking out the older version of what they like now. Also, from what little I've seen of the Second Doctor's post-regeneration, there was a slight moment where he's overwhelmed by sound or something. Maybe it just affects each regeneration differently, which would make sense given the show would just be repeating itself all the time? It's like how the Eleventh Doctor was affected, but not with angst or anything, but there were hints that his regeneration wasn't complete (there's at least one seen where he shouts at the end of a sentence), even if the main affect it seemed to have on him was food related.
2:16 all the doctors regenerated inside the Tardis that’s balderdash; the 2nd doctor, the 3rd doctor, the 4th doctor, the 7th doctor, the 8th doctor and the 13th doctors all regenerated outside the Tardis. The 11th doctors regeneration did start outside the Tardis but it finished inside the Tardis.
in one of bill's episodes with Capaldi nardole or missy (i can't remember which) says that his real name is doctor who i think it was a joke but does help the assumption
I get a headache now regarding the whole Doctor numbering thing. Feel sorry for any newcomer checking out Doctor Who for the first time. NEWCOMER: Ah, so Ncuti Gatwa's the 14th Doctor. WHOVIAN #1: No, he's the 15th. Tennant's the 14th. NEWCOMER: Oh, but according to the list of lead actors, Gatwa's the 14th. Tennant was the 10th Doctor, wasn't he? I thought Gatwa's the new guy taking over from Whittaker. WHOVIAN #1: Yeah, but Whittaker regenerated back into Tennant first for the 60th anniversary specials. Tennant's now the 10th and 14th Doctors, which will make Gatwa the 15th. NEWCOMER: Oh, okay then. I'll remember that. WHOVIAN #2: NO! Eccleston's the 10th cuz of John Hurt as the War Doctor! WHOVIAN #1: Yeah, but Hurt disowned the title of the Doctor. WHOVIAN #2: He still counts as a regeneration! NEWCOMER: Ah, so Tennant's technically the 11th and 15th Doctors then? WHOVIAN #3: Wrong! Tennant's actually 11th, 12th and 16th. Cuz despite not changing into a new body in "Journey's End", it still counts as a regeneration. Thereby making Smith 13th and why he was the last of the old regeneration cycle. NEWCOMER: Blimey, I'm really gonna need to keep up with all this. WHOVIAN #4: OMG! You guys are totally forgetting the Timeless Children and the Fugitive Doctor before Hartnell! NEWCOMER: Uh-oh. (Reckon I'm gonna need some paracetamols handy.) WHOVIAN #1, #2 and #3: WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT CANON!!! RTD SHOULD CLEAR UP THE MESS CHIBNALL LEFT!!! WHOVIAN #4: Well I do consider it canon! WHOVIAN #1, #2 and #3: GET OUT!!! YOU'RE NOT A TRUE WHOVIAN!!! WHOVIAN #4: Oh boo hoo! You guys also forgot the incarnations seen in "The Brain of Morbius" too! NEWCOMER: Oh Christ. Sooooooo, just how many Doctors are there then? And where should I start watching the show from? Or shall I just not bother watching the show at all if I've got all these debates and feuds to look forward to?
10:05 the numbering does matter! It comes down to when we discuss the show. With out the numbers we have to us the actors names and to me it feels weird when we don’t do that for any other character in the show. And now that doesn’t even work because of Tenant.
I'm not from the UK; but as I think I understand it the BBC required a majority of the characters on their shows to speak in Received Pronunciation, and most UK acting schools taught their students that voice. I mean even Leela spoke posh!
In the first and only season of Classic Who to ever be broadcast on TV with Italian dub, they actually had the Doctor and other characters refer to Tom Baker as 'Doctor Who'
No, Susan does not have to be a Time Lord. The Time Lords are the rulers of Gallifreyan society as well as their military leaders. They're selected from early childhood, shown the Untempered Schism, and educated at the Timelord Academy before being granted the right to use a TARDIS to undertake missions authorized by the High Council. A Gallifreyan is just a person from Gallifrey. It’s like the rectangle vs. the square definition - a Time Lord is a Gallifreyan, but a Gallifreyan isn’t necessarily a Time Lord. And there was NEVER any indication that Susan was anything more than just a Gallifreyan.
Far as numbering of the Doctors goes, almost all are wrong as Tennant is actually the 11th, 12th and 16th Doctor. War Doctor and Tennant regenerating into himself during his first run counts as a full regeneration towards the "limit of 13 lives" as even Smith's Doctor thinks he's going to finally die until he's granted another cycle from the Time Lords at the end of his run.
I honestly thought number 1 would have been "the doctor is kind" and you'd go on to talk about the family of blood and other events. And then playing the clip where vastra says to Cara "the doctor is not kind"
What number Doctor is Peter Cushing? His 2 movies (the second one with Bernard Cribbins), came out while the 1st Doctor was still on the air... The 1 1/2 Doctor?
Technically the 6th doctor didn't push anyone he scared the first guy grabbed the frame to shield himself and the second guy was pulled in by the first guy
The first incarnation to not regenerate in the tardis was 7th. In the TV movie, he regenerated in the San Francisco morgue. Jodie has taken the mantle of the 2nd not to regenerate in the tardis.
For me most people do have the regeneration number wrong for modern era including rtd with the John hurt doctor coming in at the 50th anniversary special pushing every regeneration back a number with Christopher becoming the 10th regeneration David becoming 11&12 regenerations Matt being regeneration 13 the end of that cycle then Peter started a new cycle where he is the first regeneration of that cycle or regeneration 14 Jodie was regeneration 2 or 15 depending on how u number the new cycle so David if ie his another regeneration still wouldn’t be number 14 he would be 3 or 16 and Ncuti Gatwa would be number 4 or 17 but he would still be the 14th new actor to play a new doctor but it could be argued that he is the 16th actor with Richard Hurndall and David Bradley both having played the first doctor after William’s death
Love Doctor Who. Having seen all 865 eps, I am usually called upon to provide information. So this video was interesting as I get these questions a lot
You have seen all 865 episodes? You must either be old enough to have seen all the missing episodes broadcast or somehow able to watch 97 episodes the majority can't. Impressive. BTW there are 871 episodes.
I would say you are wrong with Jodie being the first "Modern" Doctor to regenerate outside the TARDIS. technically 8 is a Modern Doctor and he renegerates on Kaarn, Heck, the 95% of The 11th Doctor's Regeneration was done outside, he just needed to do one last push for the change to take effect inside the TARDIS. Effectively, a lot of people consider the 11th Doctor's Regeneration to be an Outside Regeneration.
I feel like you're judging The Doctor as an unchanging individual. As someone set in stone. But just as the mannerisms change from actor to actor, so can The Doctor's point of view. The Valeyard shows this, if you believe he was an alternate version of The Doctor. But that's not the only issue I have. There are reasons for the more... explosive... regenerations. At least at first. The Tenth Doctor didn't want to go, so he was holding back the regeneration in order to get his "reward". His regeneration had started shortly after his radiation poisoning. The 11th's weaponized regeneration, resulting in a reset before a very sudden appearance change(don't @ me. That's what they did and you know it) could be written as such because The Doctor was very much close to dying already. He showed signs of dementia, possibly leading to both his hallucinations before changing and his inability to pilot the TARDIS afterwards. Yeah. A lot of hoops to jump through if people don't hold your hand and explain everything. I didn't see the 12th become the 13th or the circumstances involved, so I can't comment on that one. Still, The Doctor did regenerate multiple times until the 10th's second without blowing anything up.
The regeneration sequences, during the Jon Pertwee story The Planet Of Spiders, the Doctor took in so much radiation from the queen's feedback circuit and getting lost in time, the abbot timelord gave his body a push back into a regeneration and he stated that the Doctor would be a little neurotic to say the very least. I'm sure each timelord will have a bit of disorientation when their body regenerates, I would also think based on the circumstances of why they are regenerating would leave it to chance how long they were to be in flux. Now, when David Tennant's Doctor regenerated into himself, in the Stolen Earth story, he transferred the remaining amount on regenerative energy into his hand that Captain Jack Harkness provided and he didn't have amnesia or flux. When Colin Baker regenerated into Sylvester McCoy, he was only temporarily in flux when the Rani knocked him unconscious and hit him up with a drug to give him a healthy dose of amnesia so she could manipulate him into helping in her scheme.
I feel like for some people their only objection to the Timeless Child arc is that it messes up their numbering system. Which is quite frankly ridiculous
He would and he does, when it can save other lifes. Being a pacifist doesn't mean sacrificing others to have no blood on your hands. As he pointed out for himself when he said "today I honour the victims first"
The reason so many people think that the doctor is a pacifist is probably due to his no weapons policy, which is less about pacifism and more about appearances. If others perceive you to be unarmed, they are more likely to trust you and be co-operative but carrying a gun or a knife can complicate things. But the doctor has no problem with actually using weapons and violence if they deem it warranted. Whether it's out of disgust like with Solomon, desperation like with the caveman, confusion like with the 6th doctor, or as a last resort. Sure he'll try to avoid unnecessary harm but it doesn't mean that they won't harm others ever. It's as one of the points in the video said. The doctor is never cruel or cowardly
#1 The fact we've directly seen The Doctor kill before, including in cold blood, is why the ending of Deep Breath isn't actually ambiguous at all. The Doctor threw that robot out of the flying restaurant to its death, and there's no doubt about it. The robot says suicide is against its basic programming, and The Doctor says murder is against his, but then says one of them is lying about their basic programming. We know that one is The Doctor because we know he lies, and we've seen him kill.
over the years there have been dozens of Dr Who's. Is the current Dr. Who the however many greats grandson of the earlier Dr. Who? One thing I never understood: WHY didn't someone in say NYC, LA, DC, Paris, and other locations outside of England, NEVER think the British payphone booth Who Time Machine was out of place?!? I haven't watched the show in over 40 years. Now that "everyone" has a cellphone or "smart"phone, and payphones are obsolete, generally only found in correctional facilities for inmate use for the last couple decades ... Has the Who time machine been remodeled to blend in (perhaps hand held that looks like a modern flip phone? Or, is it still a red British phone booth that sticks out worse than a bare pinkie toe that just located a coffee table or chair leg ... at full speed ... in a pitch black room when not using a flashlight?
My head cannon for the last point as to why the classic doctors are more violent and use guns more is that the modern doctors are scarred by the time war and stay away from violence when possible whereas the classic doctors haven’t dealt with that yet
This makes sense, especially if you consider how the Ninth Doctor acts. He's extremely aggressive at times *ESPECIALLY* regarding Daleks because he's fresh out of the Time War where he believes they forced him to genocide (at least) two races, learning that the Daleks survived. Because of course they did. But when push comes to shove in The Parting of Ways, The Doctor stays true to his post-war promise of pacifism refusing to kill the Daleks even if doing so would save half of humanity and the rest of the universe. He only tends to waiver after that point when his loved ones are in danger (or harmed), or when the despotic Time Lords (who are potentially worse than the Daleks) return.
Tbh I’ve always thought that was completely obvious
@@lordolxinator The Ninth Doctor at the beginning of Series 1 would have gladly blown the Daleks up sky high regardless of the sarcifices, he'd already done it once before, it's just over the course of Series 1, Rose (before the love plotline) was there to guide him and help him through his pain and brought him back onto his normal moral track for the modern era.
That’s what I always thought.
That doesn't explain the nuwho doctor's violence against the cybermen for example how he turns off the emotional inhibitors in the cyber controllers army
"The man who never would" quote is more consistent with the purity of revenge than it is with violence itself. He's surrounded by violence often and is tormented when he's had to participate, but he never would exact revenge on someone who has submitted. If you surrender to The Doctor he will actually protect your life in the hopes of transforming it into something better.
I hope that clears things up a bit.
It was pointed out in the extras of the Day of the Daleks dvd that the doctor shot an Ogron in cold blood when he was under no immediate threat. Ill get my coat 😆
I always just thought of it as one of those ideals that only belonged to a specific regeneration of The Doctor, since each Doctor has their own personality and beliefs.
I'm older than the first Doctor was. Now I really do feel old.
Same here. But I look much younger than he did.
@@richardvinsen2385 Same here!
what, you're older than 523?
While the Doctor does not utter the line, in The Curse of Fatal Death his companion Emma says “He was never cruel and never cowardly, and it'll never be safe to be scared again.” which I think counts as the first onscreen mention of that now famous phrase.
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I think 10ant’s “No second chances. I’m that sort of man.” Intro was a big “the man who (never) would” moment as well
You forgot he wasn’t always interested in his companions, romantically.
“Have you met Sarah Jane? She’s my best friend.” is the closest Classic Who got to romance since Hartnell “accidentally” got married to a Mayan. Even Tom and Lalla played it cool on screen.
Only when McGann’s Eighth Doctor takes a shine to his new lady friend, which is more of an American idea push, does he really show any inkling of romance. I found out years later, many asexual fans saw him as their ideal, and were angered by this, and later Companions.
Then there’s Rose and the Pond family. (And arguably Jack.) We all know how that turned out.
At least Martha had the sense to realize he was just an infatuation and moved on from those ideas.
Yaz, I must have missed the obvious until it was shoved in our faces. If anything, I’d love to see Yaz meet a male Doctor, and realize she could not love him like she did 13.
I think most of the time, the doctor isn't that interested
At least in new who, it's usally the companions who are. And companion wise, it's only rose, river, yaz, and Martha
@@lunatardisflyer102 Jack Harkness?? 😂
@@lunatardisflyer102 What about Reinette? Yes, technically she wasn't a companion, but the Doctor had some interest in her and weren't it for her death, he might have offered her a trip in the TARDIS (I think he actually did, but she died, so that got unfulfilled). And we know, that that was definitely on both sides, not just Reinette, or just the Doctor, but both of them were romantically involved.
Jack Harkness is interested in anyone and anything XD
"The Man Who Never Would" refers to the Doctor not killing out of cold blood, cruelty, anger, revenge or malice.....like the Holo 7th Doctor told Ace in Power of the Doctor, "It's never OK to blow things up.".....the Doctor is so old (by my guess 14 would be well in the 3000s) and has traveled the universe so much (going to alter universes like E-space, Pete's World, and the House Bubble) that the Doctor realizes that ignorance and stupidity are just as common as the stars....that is why the Doctor always gives people a chance to turn things around before the coup de grace is release
The pacifism one is really dependent on how you define pacifism. There is absolute pacifism but also conditional pacifism in which violence can be justified.
The man who never would means he wouldn't commit murder not that he would never be violent in certain circumstances
Don’t forget Rule Number One. It’s entirely possible he only claimed that to set a powerful example.
I can honestly whole heartedly say Peters doctor was incredible!!! I loved 9 10 and 11 but 12 was something else!
Peter was brilliant in the role, agreed!
I admit that i loved 10 revenge modes, but 12 was a really kind and heartly piece of doctor
Same, 9 will always be ''My Doctor" because I started my Who journey with him and Rose, but Capaldi quickly became, and remains my favorite.
I liked 12 in seasons 8 & 9, but I was disappointed when he became a typical goodie-two-shoes nice guy in season 10. The brooding Doctor was refreshing to me, and I suppose a little relatable as I'm also relatively brooding.
I started watching in the U.S in 1982 with Tom Baker, but Peter Capaldi is my absolute favorite.
Tennant is 51 and still looks young^^
Curse of Fatal Death featured the line "never be cruel, never be cowardly" so that has to be the first time it was said on TV.
Said by his companion Emma, not the Doctor himself but close enough in my book!
I honestly thought the whole jelly babies thing started with the fourth doctor so I'm actually really surprised to find out that it really started with the second doctor! 😂 I also thought it was really refreshing to see the thirteenth doctor regenerate outside the tardis. I actually think having david tennant as the fourteenth doctor before we get ncuti gatwa as the fifteenth doctor is a good idea. It gives fans a chance to get over the controversial timeless child story before starting a fresh with series 14. ☺️
it also gets fans who abandoned after Tennant left the first time to return for this revamped series.
I love the modern series regeneration because it just makes everything around them completely explode so on the doctors planet it must have been completely insane buildings constantly blowing up it just makes me laugh, you could be in your kitchen one day and your next door neighbours house just explodes, you nod and just say "he's changed again"
it is a little amusing, but i reckon the Time-Lords had "regeneration" rooms built that would instantly repair post-regeneration. Probably due to a self-isolated temporal reverse mechanic. Akso, I don't think everyone could regenerate as not all Gallifreyan were Time-Lords. the Doctor never explains his regeneration as a "Gallifreyan trick" tio cheat death, after all. He always connected it to the Time Lords... unless I'm missing something. Been a while since I watched the show, and I'm currently on the 9th Doctor during my rewatch. I can't stand the effects of the Classic series, or the echo-y audio, or the relatively exaggerated and sometimes cheesy acting which was considered normal during those days.
You can see that within the show, like Hell Bent very clearly shown the regeneration of the War General inside a building. I think all Timelords were pretty aware of when they received fatal injury and were about to regenerate, so they secluded themselves from other people and destructable stuff as much as possible.
Don’t forget the time Tom baker regenerated outside turning into Peter Davison and Paul mcgann from sylvester McCoy
She didn’t that’s why it wasn’t included as regenerations that happened inside the tardis Ellie only mentioned regenerations that actually took place onboard the tardis witch was 1 into 2 5 into 6 and 6 into 7 for the classic era
While watching Power of the Doctor, I had a headcanon of the TARDIS DESPERATELY hoping that 13 will regenerate outside this time and being so relieved when she did...
I can see why everyone gets it wrong about the Doctor regenerating in the TARDIS; especially with the modern series, which is what most people have bothered watching, it's a relief things have changed.
I think the doctor doesn’t use guns and hates violence more in new who for a reason.
The time war, obviously.
It’s obviously because of that, like I feel that’s the genuine in cannon reason.
The Doctor normally doesn't use guns - although even in NUWHO he can (and has on some occasions). I would add, sometimes they have used the sonic screwdriver as a gun.
@@KnightRanger38 yeh but not rlly like I don’t think he does he seems very against it a lot. Like the times I’ve seen him use one he has never pulled the trigger. Apart from once against a machine
Age 55 in the William Hartnell era was much older than it was in Peter Capaldi's day. So, statistically speaking, Hartnell WAS ancient. Mostly, it's the standard of health care. I've already survived at least five things that would have killed me fifty years ago. Thanks, medical science! 🙂
The 13th into 14th Doctor regeneration was not the first of the new era to take place outside the TARDIS.
8th into War Doctor anyone?
Sure, The Night of the Doctor aired in 2013, but Eight is a classic Doctor. Depends how you look at it!
Arguably, the Eleventh Doctor regenerates outside the TARDIS as well, albeit back into his default younger version. Okay, he finishes regenerating in the TARDIS, but the bulk of it's already done by that point.
I don't think the 13th Doctor was ejected from the Tardis. She seemed to have just fallen out. If your justification is that the Tardis made her fall out intentionally, I have my doubts. The 10th Doctor's regeneration into the 11th Doctor showed him stumbling around. Along with the screen movements, it's heavily implied that the Tardis is falling in all kinds of directions.
Also, I think the show writers intentionally had the Doctor regenerate in the Tardis. In my mind, the Tardis being destroyed is mirroring the Doctor's death and revival. It also served as a convenient way to redesign the Tardis for the next Doctor.
Yea, 13th fell out of the TARDIS and the poor girl dematerialized shortly after. 12th's regeneration broke most of the console room to the point, where some stuff ceased to work properly, 13th after looking at her image pushed some button, which resulted in a shortcut and that shock threw her out. She wasn't desperately ejected by the TARDIS. Although, after her dematerialization, the TARDIS was stuck in a loop on another planet, I think that's why people could think, that she threw 13th out deliberately.
It's been my headcanon that the Jelly Babies go back even farther than Patrick Troughton, and that they originate in the little bag of candy William Hartnell has at the end of The Celestial Toymaker that gives him a toothache.
Right! That’s why he had to see a dentist. Too many Jelly Babies. Good call. 😂🤣👍
Those are just regular sweets (with wrappers) not jelly babies.
They're humbugs, aren't they? They're certainly a boiled sweet of some kind.
@@robalexander8065 Tom Baker offered a man Jelly Babies in the Sunmakers and we could see they clearly weren't Jelly Babies but Liquorice Allsorts. Jelly Babies at this point are whatever the Doctor says is a Jelly Baby.
@@cameronjosephvideos5942 damn, the whole bag of sweeties must've regenerated!
10 Things CZcamsrs Usually Get Wrong - Making A List Of Things They Claim "Everyone" Gets Wrong.
Exactly what I said. It’s a flaw in a lot of ‘New Who’ fans, they think everyone is ignorant of the past. I’ve been watching since 1979. I know my stuff.
Here’s one > some people call the character Doctor Who even tho it’s just the Doctor the show is Doctor Who not the character even my teacher did this once 😂😂
My mom says this (not all the time) and it’s annoying
So you are forgetting during the classic era when the Doctor was always credited as ‘Doctor Who’
The chief offender in this one is "The War Machines", where he's explicitly referred to as "Doctor Who".
Like Terrance Dicks said, "Canon is whatever I can remember at the time."
Actually the show itself referred to him as Doctor Who in the credits up until 2006, the Doctor has been referred to as Doctor Who in the show many times, most if not all the actors refer to the character they played as Doctor Who as a way of avoiding confusion with other people, and most other people involved in production of the show refer to the character as The Doctor and Doctor Who interchangeably. So yes, the character's name isn't _technically_ Dr. Who, but to avoid confusion, it basically is, and pulling people up on it can end up making YOU seem like the idiot because most fans acknowledge this.
The Master/Missy refers to The Doctor as Doctor Who when she's pretending to be him in the World Enough and Time story. Always irritated me.
I love your voice , thank you , someday l hope to hear you reading an audiobook. Happy , Healthy and peaceful new year.
I still love how The 12th Doctor and Clara sometimes just acted like an old married couple
Do you mean the 11th or the 12th, cause 13 never met the Doctor as far as I'm aware.
Regarding the last point, taken in context, he never would. “He” being Ten, at that point in his regeneration.
The numbering of the Doctors is something that is really only used by writers, and fans. It is rarely mentioned in the show.
The one exception that comes to mind is in “The Five Doctors”, where Richard Hurndall, playing the first Doctor, asks Peter Davison, “Regeneration?”. Davison replies “Fourth”, to which Hurndall replies, “So there are five of me now”.
The numbering is messed up now, anyway, even if you disregard the War Doctor (who was named as such, just to keep the numbering intact). People forget that Tennant played Ten, but was mortally wounded, and regenerated into… himself, so he was technically Eleven as well. Smith should have been Twelve, Capaldi Thirteen, etc. This is even addressed by Smith, who explains to Clara that he is the twelfth regeneration, due to Tennant, and “Captain Grumpy”. Still, if someone says Ten, Eleven, or Twelve, we know they are referring to Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi, respectively.
I actually loved that once scene, where Missy is regaling a story about how the Doctor was in an impossible situation, yet survived. He is initially, fleetingly, dressed as the fourth Doctor, but you cannot see his face, but as she goes on, he morphs into Capaldi, because, in Missy’s eyes, they are all the same person.
Yea, Tennant regenerated into himself, but he kept the face, personality and stuff, his regeneration is essentially just healing, he even explained it as that "I've used the energy to heal myself, but didn't want to change, why would I? So I've sent the rest of the energy to the nearest compatible recipient." talking about the hand. So the Doctor healed, but didn't change, meaning it's not a whole regeneration. Yes, the whole energy was spent, but after healing the rest of that spent energy was sent to the hand. So while it counts as a regeneration energy spent, it doesn't count as a whole regeneration underwent. He is still the same 10th Doctor. Why would he have to be count as 11th? He didn't change into another man, he just healed his wounds and used a trick to avoid the change. It is yet another regeneration, but it is still the same Doctor and there is a clear difference between those two. Regeneration and Doctor are often interchangeable, when each of the Doctor speaks about his/her former "regeneration" (meaning personality and whatnot), but when people outside the show refer to these terms, regeneration means the process, while Doctor number 1 to 13 means each personality. So while a regeneration event occured, a personality didn't change. That means 10th Doctor's first regeneration (the Meta Crisis event) is a regeneration, but isn't a different Doctor, so no need for the next number in the row. 10th Doctor is still 10th Doctor, not 11th. Matt Smith is proper 11th and always will be.
Something that you missed in the modern Doctor Who, they keep saying he has a secret but in the original they never even say anything about it except for 1 episode in Sylvester's run as the Doctor.
"The man who never would" line I believe is referring to cold blooded killing but even then the doctor himself doesn't believe he's a good man I mean even at Demons Run he says to the woman in charge (can't remember her name) "good men don't need rules, now is not the time to find out why I have so many" basically saying the rules stop him from going too far as probably part of his trauma from the time war and what he believed he did until the day of the doctor.
I believe you are thinking of Madame Kovarian.
People often get the spelling of Jon Pertwee, Peter Davison, Christopher Eccleston and David Tennant's names wrong. Also the pronunciation of Capaldi. It's "Ca pal di" not "Ca paul di".
Yeh, 6 didn't push those guys into the acid bath.. the first dude stumbled back in shock cause he thought the doctor was dead, falling in.. the second guy got dragged in by the first.. all the doctor did was stand there and go.. "forgive me if I don't join you" :)
I think Matt Smith was the first in the new series to regenerate outside the TARDIS. He just didn't change his face until he got back inside
It also rejuvenated him from being physically old to his regular 11th self (possibly still atop the church tower) before changing into 12th. And the change itself was very quick, like a sneeze. XD
Jon pertwe, Tom Baker and Sylvester mcCoy regenerated outside the tardis
And Patrick Troughton
I've always held the belief that the Doctor is the immune system of the universe, with the ability to use tools or others to solve a crisis, but with a preference to be an all-bearing stopper of any type of invasive creature as they come along to their timeline and happenstance.
To be fair, the 6th Doctor was suffering from SEVERE regeneration sickness, and he never actually pushed anyone into the acid. They fell in without his interference
The Seventh Doctor seems perfectly okay post-regeneration - until the Rani gives him an injection to leave him amnesiac. His subsequent confusion is a result of this until his encounter with the real Mel (as opposed to the Rani in disguise) and after that he seems *mostly* okay. It's certainly not post-regeneration trauma like that we've seen so often since the Doctor's fourth regeneration.
As to the violence - Third Doctor literally went for Venusian Karate fights whenever possible, sometimes it's even as if he chose to fight instead of the other options.
Fans DO NOT want the show reinvigorated "For a Modern Audience" we want good writting back and bad retcons removed.
Good writing never went anywhere and the only genuine retcon in the show’s history is making the Doctor a Time Lord of Gallifrey rather than a future human of an Earth colony.
@@DrWhoFanJ I assume devilsletsplays is referring to the Timeless Child story where regenerations prior to what we thought was the 1st Doctor were revealed without realizing this was strongly hinted at during the 4th Doctor's (Tom Baker) run where previously unseen regenerations were seen.
@@wallacewallaby5782 Indeed they are. It’s an extremely common misconception that I’ve seen trotted out time and time again by people who falsely insist the faces were Morbius, which makes no sense whatsoever from both a plot and IRL perspective.
@@DrWhoFanJ So.... You're saying that the Doctor was utterly shite at that mind combat sequence and didn't score a single hit on Morbius? That makes no sense to me.
@@alunrundle162 No, I’m saying that all the faces we saw in that sequence were the Doctor’s.
Misconception Number 1: The Doctor had incarnations before William Hartnell
Shots fired.
the moment i saw the final entry, i just about bursted out laughing. the doctor sure as hell is NOT a pacifist from what i noticed, just that he doesn't use weapons/guns....this has not stopped him from providing some of his adversaries with a fate infinitely worse than death. lord knows i need only turn to "the family of blood" to show that
Ever since The Doctor said, "But for now, for this moment, I am the Doctor again." (John Hurt, "The Day of The Doctor") I've basically given up on the numbering, as Jon Hurt seemed to be, to me, the proper 10th. But then we had "Timeless Child", "The Dream Doctor", "The Valeyard", "The Fugative Doctor".
As always thank you so very much for the videos.
Hurt technically would have been 9,
because he is supposed to be in between McGann and Eccleston
numbering has always been funky to me
actually he would be the 4th ... as he was the war doctor ... and he didnt call himself the doctor because he didnt do the doctor ... he did war ... only in the special did he regain his way and become the doctor ... this would make tom baker number 5 and so on ... BUT as he was recorded as the war doctor ... and he refused the title of doctor ... he is one without being counted as one ... making tom baker the 4th ... and so on ... also people forget the curator ... is also the doctor ... making the 14th doctor actually the 15th ... and the newest one 16th ... as the curator ... is a revisit of an old face ... in his retirement ... and as we see him at the end of a special with the war doctor and the one who forgets and the one who hates ... making setting all the doctors from 9 onwards out place in time and space ...
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which this who culture site NEVER has caught on to ... and they have missed the new seasons of plot lines because they have missed all the returns and cross overs and previous stories ...
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also the timeless child and those who became immortal because of them are not doctors ... the doctor is and only is the doctor when he corrects the imbalance of evil and good ... as the first doctor gets told perhaps its just some bloke who goes around making things right ... making them and ONLY them the doctor ... the rest are just time lords ... who stole their immortality from a child because they could ...
@@kaboom-zf2bl actually the war doctor is the 9th doctor, if you watch the night of the doctor you can see the 8th doctor regenerate into the war doctor, so he isn’t the 4th doctor. As for the curator, that is a regeneration that hasn’t happened yet, so it doesn’t effect the current numbering.
@@watermeloxn well considering the time war they are talking about was between the 3rd and 4th doctor your version is IMPOSSIBLE ... that is the key time point he was the incarnation for the time war .... not for the christmas special where he gets a chance to make a different choice
Thank you very much all for your reply’s. Your response is valid and appreciated. And yes, looking at my old notes, (plus updates) he was indeed number 9. (Whoops and thank you for the correction.)
Here’s how I arrived at my number: (Doctor’s on “Doctor Who” television show.)
1st Doctor William Hartnell (also Richard Hurndall, and David Bradley).
2nd Doctor: Patrick Troughton.
3rd Doctor: Jon Pertwee. (Technically my 3rd Doctor, and my favorite.)
4th Doctor: Tom Baker.
5th Doctor: Peter Davison.
6th Doctor: Colin Baker.
7th Doctor: Sylvester McCoy.
8th Doctor: Paul McGann.
(Regenerated into…) John Hurt.
(Regenerated into…) Christopher Eccleston.
(Regenerated into…) David Tennant.
(Regenerated into…) Matt Smith.
(Regenerated into…) Peter Capaldi.
(Regenerated into…) Jodie Whittaker.
(Regenerated into…) David Tennant (?)
(Regenerated into…) Ncuti Gatwa.
Honorable (and not so honorable, or confirmed) mention:
Movie Doctor: Peter Cushing.
Valeyard: Michael Jayston
Dream Doctor: Toby Jones.
Timeless Child: (Various).
Young Doctor: (In “Listen” S8•E4)(Rummored to have been Ty Tennant)
Fugative Doctor: Jo Martin
“Final Doctor”, aka Doctor 45, aka Doctor Moon: Colin Salmon. (Quote Steven Moffat: “In my head (and ONLY in my head, thihs probably never appear on screen, or be confirmed in any way) River’s not just [the Doctor’s] wife - she’s his widow. Somewhere in the terrible future, on a battlefield, the 45th Doctor dies in her arms and makes her the same promise she once made him - it’s not over for you, you’ll see me again. So River buries her husband and off she goes to have lots of adventures with his younger selves and confuse the hell out of them. Until, of course, she ends up in the data core of the Library Planet, and realizes she’ll never see him again. And then she starts to wonder why anyone would call a moon ‘Doctor.’ Ahhh…”)
Respect to the many Parodies of the Doctor, and Big Finish Radio Doctors, too numerous to mention.
Did I miss any? 🙂
I'm watching this at 8pm on a Sunday night and now all I want is jelly babies...... Thanks for that 🤣
Sorry! 😛
Watch 'Vengeance on Varos" closely. The first attendant into the 'bath' is accident. When he's facing off with the other and the stretcher, he's pushing it away when he's against the bath and PULLING it AWAY from the bath when facing it. He's trying to keep his assailant out of the bath!
I'm inclined to disagree with the last part. I think the time war changed the character drastically as he vowed to avoid violence and, to his credit, did so where he could. The events of dalek and parting of the ways solidify this for me where, even though he knows humanity will survive in some shape or form, he still can't activate the delta wave. Also in dalek it's the first time he's seen one since their supposed extinction and knows just how dangerous one is. Also, long shot, but ptsd could be a factor too.
The guys in 'Vengeance On Varos', are NOT pushed into the acid bath by the Doctor. The first falls in after being surprised that the Doctor, who he thinks is dead, gets up. His agonized flailing about, causes the second bloke to fall in, too. The Doctor winces at the deliquesing pair, and leaves them with that rather unnecessary quip, about not joining them.
the regen issues you mentioned.
yh matt smith had those also. walking into a tree, random anger moments(throws plate).
the reason it was diffrent was because she was a kid. the doctor held themselves together because they were a kid. its most of that doctors exsistance. " You never interfere with the affairs of other peoples or planets, unless there are children crying?". even when river song poisoned him, what kept him going was the kid. the last moment was him no longer being needed by her.
also he flys away in the tardis, twice so much of that time might have been when they let themselves release it better.
OK! I am a Doctor Who fan boy of old...But I will concede I DO INDEED get the Origin of the Jelly Babies Wrong... But in my defence... I grew up with Tom Bakers Doctor!!! I think it became so Iconic with Baker because according to legend, The first time he pulls them out in an episode and offers one - Baker reputedly forgot his line... And it kind of stuck making it more iconic than it had been previously!
Is the Legend True? I don't bloody know... But its a nice story, be even better if it is true!
Actually the Sixth Doctor did not send those two mortician into the acid bath. One fell in accidently when his partner pushed into him, and then the one who fell in clearly tries to grab onto his partner to get out but pulls him in instead. Another misconception of the Sixth Doctor! Also I would argue that the Doctor never Intended to strangle Peri, that was clearly Spectrox Toximia that took over his mind. Also you could state that the 10th Doctor is the man who never would, not the other incarnations.
The jodie whitaker era wasnt the first time the doctor regenerated outside the tardis in the new who era, Capaldi regenerated outside the tardis when trying to convince himself of Bills trust.
The Second Doctor not only "would" but "did" pretty much every week.
The fact that we're in a situation where it can be argued that David Tennant was/is the 10th, 11th (counting Hurt OR Partial Regen), 12th (counting Hurt AND the Partial Regen), 14th, 15th and/or 16th (same logic as 10. 11, 12) Doctor is just crazy.
If you have always know that the Doctor doesn't need to be in the TARDIS to regenerate, you are probably old ( like me ... and a Original Fourth Doctor Tom Baker Fan ... )
the 5th Doctor did shoot Omega who was in (5th Doctors image) to stop Omega from destroying universe, and 3rd Doctor was fond of using martial arts that he learned on an alien world, also the Peter Cushing version of the doctor was the only one who called himself Doctor Who Peter Cushing's version wasn't TV Canon, but he still counts in my book
#1 brings to mind, as well, the episode Arachnids in London with David Tennant. That was dark.
sad part the only ones who get those things wrong are the ones who came after the reboot .. the tom baker era people know this out of hand ...
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and as for pubquiz fights ... canon says tennant is 14 as well ... making the newest guy 15 ... and we know the doctor will revisit old faces ... when we say the curator ... it was all preset for this re-reboot of doctor who ... so they could recover the true doctor and forget about dora the explorer in the tardis
"Dora the explorer in the Tardis" ;o)
I think the best way to end any confusion over Tennant being 10 and 14 is compare to Prime Minister and Presidents who serve non-consecutive terms like Winston Churchill being 62nd and 64th Prime Minister!
Numbering is confusing.
References to Capaldi and Whitaker as 12 and 13 are erroneous because in "Time of the Doctor" Smith gets granted additional regenerations on the basis he was the final (13th) version, which tracks with the idea Tennant kept a face for two stints, and Captain Grumpypants counted (aside: Hurt was awesome), as stated in onscreen canon.
Capaldi may have been the 12th actor in the lead role (sorry Sir John, your tenure was guest actor only), but he wasn't truly the 12th Doctor in canon.
Even ignoring the previous incarnations from "Timeless Child" (and "Brain of Morbius") the next after Whitaker would be 16th.
If we're going for counting actors in the lead role, I'll agree with Whitaker being 13th, but as Tennant has prior experience, Gatwa is 14th regardless of RTD's comments... Unless we include Cushing from the films, but even then Tennant's not 14, but Gatwa might be 15. 🤯
I'm going to revert to my opening statement, numbering is confusing.
If WhoCulture staff would like a version of this mad rambling in video form I'd be happy to appear as a guest presenter, gratis.
The Doctor uses a gun if it he has to. The Fourth took one off a villain in The Android Invasion. Sarah Jane: “You’d never use that.” The Doctor: “THEY don’t know that!” 😅
are we going to ignore the "Jodie being the first to regenerate outside the tardis" fact being wrong since the 8th regenerated on karn
David Tennant only insisted to be credited as that in Christmas Invasion, his introducing say Doctor Who meaning when he was announced at the end of Power of the Doctor as the 14th it was the first time he'd been introduced as The Doctor!
That whole numbering was messed up long before Chibnall, before Moffatt too tbh
Misty says the doctor choice the name "Doctor Who because he thought made him sound mysterious" and when Bill and Norvel ask him about it "that can't really be your name?" He eventually says it is, and when he's regenerating, he says, only tell children your name their the only ones who will ever understand it."
you missed the 7'th Doctor blowing up Skaro with the Hand of Omega from your number 1 list of kills, killed an entire solar system that time
I swear Missy reveals in one of the episodes that he chose the name 'doctor who' when he was younger because he thought it sounded cool then he later dropped the 'who' part after he grew out of it
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I can't speak for everyone, but I think newer/younger viewers would at least try to catch up with what came earlier, if they cared enough about the show. I mean, I started with New Who, and took so much of a break from it, that I practically started it again this decade (with an era I mostly missed last time) and I haven't seen a single Classic Who episode/part in full - yet, I still want to see as many of them as I can. I think people in general would be at least open to checking out the older version of what they like now.
Also, from what little I've seen of the Second Doctor's post-regeneration, there was a slight moment where he's overwhelmed by sound or something. Maybe it just affects each regeneration differently, which would make sense given the show would just be repeating itself all the time? It's like how the Eleventh Doctor was affected, but not with angst or anything, but there were hints that his regeneration wasn't complete (there's at least one seen where he shouts at the end of a sentence), even if the main affect it seemed to have on him was food related.
2:16 all the doctors regenerated inside the Tardis that’s balderdash; the 2nd doctor, the 3rd doctor, the 4th doctor, the 7th doctor, the 8th doctor and the 13th doctors all regenerated outside the Tardis. The 11th doctors regeneration did start outside the Tardis but it finished inside the Tardis.
That's literally what they say in the video...
in one of bill's episodes with Capaldi nardole or missy (i can't remember which) says that his real name is doctor who i think it was a joke but does help the assumption
I get a headache now regarding the whole Doctor numbering thing. Feel sorry for any newcomer checking out Doctor Who for the first time.
NEWCOMER: Ah, so Ncuti Gatwa's the 14th Doctor.
WHOVIAN #1: No, he's the 15th. Tennant's the 14th.
NEWCOMER: Oh, but according to the list of lead actors, Gatwa's the 14th. Tennant was the 10th Doctor, wasn't he? I thought Gatwa's the new guy taking over from Whittaker.
WHOVIAN #1: Yeah, but Whittaker regenerated back into Tennant first for the 60th anniversary specials. Tennant's now the 10th and 14th Doctors, which will make Gatwa the 15th.
NEWCOMER: Oh, okay then. I'll remember that.
WHOVIAN #2: NO! Eccleston's the 10th cuz of John Hurt as the War Doctor!
WHOVIAN #1: Yeah, but Hurt disowned the title of the Doctor.
WHOVIAN #2: He still counts as a regeneration!
NEWCOMER: Ah, so Tennant's technically the 11th and 15th Doctors then?
WHOVIAN #3: Wrong! Tennant's actually 11th, 12th and 16th. Cuz despite not changing into a new body in "Journey's End", it still counts as a regeneration. Thereby making Smith 13th and why he was the last of the old regeneration cycle.
NEWCOMER: Blimey, I'm really gonna need to keep up with all this.
WHOVIAN #4: OMG! You guys are totally forgetting the Timeless Children and the Fugitive Doctor before Hartnell!
NEWCOMER: Uh-oh. (Reckon I'm gonna need some paracetamols handy.)
WHOVIAN #1, #2 and #3: WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT CANON!!! RTD SHOULD CLEAR UP THE MESS CHIBNALL LEFT!!!
WHOVIAN #4: Well I do consider it canon!
WHOVIAN #1, #2 and #3: GET OUT!!! YOU'RE NOT A TRUE WHOVIAN!!!
WHOVIAN #4: Oh boo hoo! You guys also forgot the incarnations seen in "The Brain of Morbius" too!
NEWCOMER: Oh Christ. Sooooooo, just how many Doctors are there then? And where should I start watching the show from? Or shall I just not bother watching the show at all if I've got all these debates and feuds to look forward to?
10:05 the numbering does matter! It comes down to when we discuss the show. With out the numbers we have to us the actors names and to me it feels weird when we don’t do that for any other character in the show. And now that doesn’t even work because of Tenant.
I'm not from the UK; but as I think I understand it the BBC required a majority of the characters on their shows to speak in Received Pronunciation, and most UK acting schools taught their students that voice. I mean even Leela spoke posh!
In the first and only season of Classic Who to ever be broadcast on TV with Italian dub, they actually had the Doctor and other characters refer to Tom Baker as 'Doctor Who'
No, Susan does not have to be a Time Lord. The Time Lords are the rulers of Gallifreyan society as well as their military leaders. They're selected from early childhood, shown the Untempered Schism, and educated at the Timelord Academy before being granted the right to use a TARDIS to undertake missions authorized by the High Council. A Gallifreyan is just a person from Gallifrey. It’s like the rectangle vs. the square definition - a Time Lord is a Gallifreyan, but a Gallifreyan isn’t necessarily a Time Lord. And there was NEVER any indication that Susan was anything more than just a Gallifreyan.
Was there even indication of that?
5:39 THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1:02 55??? 🤯🤯🤯🤯 definitely put him in his 70s. Wow.
7:49 what about when Twelve regenerated into Thirteen, Capaldi to Whittaker?
loved the vid but the last part the Dr that never would well I got a old catch phrase to that " You would make a great Daaaalek "
Bruh someone told me they hated the 11th doctor cause he held a gun in the weeping Angel 2 parter, but 10 is their favorite 😐
Yet 10 also fired a gun lol
"You may be A doctor, but I am THE Doctor..." -Tom Baker to "Harry", post-regeneration... ;-P
Far as numbering of the Doctors goes, almost all are wrong as Tennant is actually the 11th, 12th and 16th Doctor. War Doctor and Tennant regenerating into himself during his first run counts as a full regeneration towards the "limit of 13 lives" as even Smith's Doctor thinks he's going to finally die until he's granted another cycle from the Time Lords at the end of his run.
I honestly thought number 1 would have been "the doctor is kind" and you'd go on to talk about the family of blood and other events. And then playing the clip where vastra says to Cara "the doctor is not kind"
5:58 I could swear Ellie says 'VOTAN" not "WOTAN".
And she would be correct to do so. The character’s name is pronounced as if it were written VOTAN throughout the story.
@@DrWhoFanJ OOPS
What number Doctor is Peter Cushing? His 2 movies (the second one with Bernard Cribbins), came out while the 1st Doctor was still on the air... The 1 1/2 Doctor?
Knew all those. But a fun video nevertheless. 😊
Technically the 6th doctor didn't push anyone he scared the first guy grabbed the frame to shield himself and the second guy was pulled in by the first guy
After, if you note, the Doctor tries to pull him AWAY from the bath. He pushes whilst he's against it but pulls when facing it.
You missed the point of his pacifism, he didn't become so until the 9th as he came out of the time war.
The numbering matters because referring to them would be hell
11 technically regenerated outside the Tardis in the town of Christmas.
The first incarnation to not regenerate in the tardis was 7th. In the TV movie, he regenerated in the San Francisco morgue.
Jodie has taken the mantle of the 2nd not to regenerate in the tardis.
Actually to correct you the following Doctors regenerated outside the Tardis: 2,3,4,7 and 8 out of classic.
I doubt Troughton's Doctor would appreciate being referred to as 'Number 2'. :P
For me most people do have the regeneration number wrong for modern era including rtd with the John hurt doctor coming in at the 50th anniversary special pushing every regeneration back a number with Christopher becoming the 10th regeneration David becoming 11&12 regenerations Matt being regeneration 13 the end of that cycle then Peter started a new cycle where he is the first regeneration of that cycle or regeneration 14 Jodie was regeneration 2 or 15 depending on how u number the new cycle so David if ie his another regeneration still wouldn’t be number 14 he would be 3 or 16 and Ncuti Gatwa would be number 4 or 17 but he would still be the 14th new actor to play a new doctor but it could be argued that he is the 16th actor with Richard Hurndall and David Bradley both having played the first doctor after William’s death
Love Doctor Who. Having seen all 865 eps, I am usually called upon to provide information. So this video was interesting as I get these questions a lot
You have seen all 865 episodes? You must either be old enough to have seen all the missing episodes broadcast or somehow able to watch 97 episodes the majority can't. Impressive. BTW there are 871 episodes.
@@robalexander8065 maybe he's heard the audios for the missing stories? They still exist.
@@alunrundle162 I assume that is what he meant.
I would say you are wrong with Jodie being the first "Modern" Doctor to regenerate outside the TARDIS. technically 8 is a Modern Doctor and he renegerates on Kaarn, Heck, the 95% of The 11th Doctor's Regeneration was done outside, he just needed to do one last push for the change to take effect inside the TARDIS. Effectively, a lot of people consider the 11th Doctor's Regeneration to be an Outside Regeneration.
I feel like you're judging The Doctor as an unchanging individual. As someone set in stone. But just as the mannerisms change from actor to actor, so can The Doctor's point of view. The Valeyard shows this, if you believe he was an alternate version of The Doctor.
But that's not the only issue I have. There are reasons for the more... explosive... regenerations. At least at first. The Tenth Doctor didn't want to go, so he was holding back the regeneration in order to get his "reward". His regeneration had started shortly after his radiation poisoning. The 11th's weaponized regeneration, resulting in a reset before a very sudden appearance change(don't @ me. That's what they did and you know it) could be written as such because The Doctor was very much close to dying already. He showed signs of dementia, possibly leading to both his hallucinations before changing and his inability to pilot the TARDIS afterwards.
Yeah. A lot of hoops to jump through if people don't hold your hand and explain everything.
I didn't see the 12th become the 13th or the circumstances involved, so I can't comment on that one. Still, The Doctor did regenerate multiple times until the 10th's second without blowing anything up.
The regeneration sequences, during the Jon Pertwee story The Planet Of Spiders, the Doctor took in so much radiation from the queen's feedback circuit and getting lost in time, the abbot timelord gave his body a push back into a regeneration and he stated that the Doctor would be a little neurotic to say the very least.
I'm sure each timelord will have a bit of disorientation when their body regenerates, I would also think based on the circumstances of why they are regenerating would leave it to chance how long they were to be in flux. Now, when David Tennant's Doctor regenerated into himself, in the Stolen Earth story, he transferred the remaining amount on regenerative energy into his hand that Captain Jack Harkness provided and he didn't have amnesia or flux.
When Colin Baker regenerated into Sylvester McCoy, he was only temporarily in flux when the Rani knocked him unconscious and hit him up with a drug to give him a healthy dose of amnesia so she could manipulate him into helping in her scheme.
I feel like for some people their only objection to the Timeless Child arc is that it messes up their numbering system. Which is quite frankly ridiculous
He would and he does, when it can save other lifes. Being a pacifist doesn't mean sacrificing others to have no blood on your hands. As he pointed out for himself when he said "today I honour the victims first"
The reason so many people think that the doctor is a pacifist is probably due to his no weapons policy, which is less about pacifism and more about appearances. If others perceive you to be unarmed, they are more likely to trust you and be co-operative but carrying a gun or a knife can complicate things. But the doctor has no problem with actually using weapons and violence if they deem it warranted. Whether it's out of disgust like with Solomon, desperation like with the caveman, confusion like with the 6th doctor, or as a last resort. Sure he'll try to avoid unnecessary harm but it doesn't mean that they won't harm others ever. It's as one of the points in the video said. The doctor is never cruel or cowardly
@UC7SlSRDDetkZ8ZEnpkwOUkg not fooling anyone
#1 The fact we've directly seen The Doctor kill before, including in cold blood, is why the ending of Deep Breath isn't actually ambiguous at all. The Doctor threw that robot out of the flying restaurant to its death, and there's no doubt about it. The robot says suicide is against its basic programming, and The Doctor says murder is against his, but then says one of them is lying about their basic programming. We know that one is The Doctor because we know he lies, and we've seen him kill.
over the years there have been dozens of Dr Who's. Is the current Dr. Who the however many greats grandson of the earlier Dr. Who?
One thing I never understood:
WHY didn't someone in say NYC, LA, DC, Paris, and other locations outside of England, NEVER think the British payphone booth Who Time Machine was out of place?!?
I haven't watched the show in over 40 years.
Now that "everyone" has a cellphone or "smart"phone, and payphones are obsolete, generally only found in correctional facilities for inmate use for the last couple decades ... Has the Who time machine been remodeled to blend in (perhaps hand held that looks like a modern flip phone? Or, is it still a red British phone booth that sticks out worse than a bare pinkie toe that just located a coffee table or chair leg ... at full speed ... in a pitch black room when not using a flashlight?
Eh?
You have WATCHED Doctor Who, haven't you?
here's one: Tom Baker is Colin Baker's Father or Uncle.