@@theancientsancients1769 They're only in it to advance their own avionics industry then they'll leave for the next gen once they've caught up. Japan is anything but stupid. And most of the time their tech is more reliable and cheaper to maintain than western bloated products.
The big advantage of this current design is _space_ This is a heavy delta winged fighter designed to carry enormous weapons loads across Pacific distances. No more "1,000km with a light AA armament" This is a LONG range fighter bomber and western militaries are crying out for this capability
U do know china is the second largest spending budget right America was to stupid to know how anything works over. They are not far from us on their spending budget. They are bigger they are smarter way smarter. Their kids learning string theory our are learning how to twerk.
I hope Italy does the engines!! V12 car engines are beautiful. Plane can be Ferrari red ot Lamborghini green😁 Being serious though, the three countries involved are all good in their fields. I jope the plane will be a big success as i fear they may well be used in anger sooner than we think. Mind you, i wouldn't put it past Labour to put it on hold or cancel it, they seem hellbent on destroying the UK.
Sweden withdrew because we´re building a moon to earth capable super jet with ultradimensional capabilities and you can put it all together yourself with a guide from IKEA,
@@intothewild5045the Black Widow is what you’re thinking of, and the reason it might look like that is because Japan actually bought the data and blueprints for the YF23 from Northrop a few years ago
UK has done the right thing by having Japan as its partner and moving away from germany and france, Sweden would have been a great partner to have and them leaving the project is regrettable.
Agreed France is to unreliable a partner, probably remembered what they were like during the eurofighter development Plus Italy has at least some experience in gen development now thanks to the f-35 project
@@lebigeon no actually you french are not unreliable ... your just bolshy and arrogant with a nationalistic mindset that makes it almost impossible to work in collaboration with ... although you did succeed in collaborating with the germans if my memory serves me correctly ! 😎
@@lebigeon France is unreliable as twice they pulled out of the Tornado project and the Eurofighter project taking all what they learnt and just made their own planes . Biggest one is how the Raffle looks so much like the Typhoon as France used a majority of the Typhoon design on the Raffle. The French when they get what they needed will just opt out to make their own planes at the expense of the other partners as they couldn't give a toss to partners other than themselves.
An Anglo-Italo-Japanese aircraft design/manufacturing co-operation is sure to be an absolute giant one day, possibly soon, in the military aviation world. BAE has consistently made excellent aircraft, Japan's industries are world-renowned for their reliability (especially Mitsubishi) and the Leonardo company, while not as well-known or world-renowned as BAE or Mitsubishi, are still incredibly competent. It seems a new aviation giant might be brewing - especially if the co-operation between these nations and companies leads to the creation of a joint business, as has happened before in some of these collaborations.
leonardo italy and lenardo uk? mbda italy or mbda uk. elt group italy or .... elt group with leonardo is jont for a new concet of ppa navy radar sel defence mbda italy built for exaple meteor missile with duble range of uk version ask to ukaine for them look at a new carceristic of lenardo aw 249 take a look ask for typohone and tornado before to uk refernce
"while not as well-known or world-renowned as BAE or Mitsubishi, are still incredibly competent" Actually Leonardo is in the top 10 hughest bellic industry, occupying the 7th place, where the 6 above are all US industries. BAE is in the 8th place. So i will say that Leonardo is really well world renowed. To say the US Predators and Reapers suit the Leonardo Electronic Warfare systems, as the UK Merlin. The Gripen S also, the last developed one, suit the Leonardo ES-05 AESA and the Leonardo IRST Skyguard.
@@solinvictus1234 Leonardo UK based up in Edinburgh build the Radars for the Eurofighter and Gripen ( but with Swedish back end ) they are building the latest version for Typhoon ( UK and Italy ) while Hensoldt/ Indra are building a new version for Spain and Germany ( but with assistance from Leonardo ) . That shows the technology is available....just government money is needed
@@RaySqw785 ''copy'' bro... you can't reinvent stealth, there isn't much more to do in design if you want maneuverability and stealth, cmon, less self stroking your ego and more logical thinking
This is not a 6th gen and American fighter industry will be the 1st true 6th gen aircraft....well just look yourself. These programs already in the works and successor to sr71 chuggin along nicely as well. :) good luck
The Japanese bring fresh ideas remember the first AESA system developed for the Mitsubishi F2 was soon copied by the Americans then later the Europeans . The funding issue will be tough but at least all 3 partners are united while the Germans and French squabble like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
@@uingaeoc3905 That's always been the issue when dealing with the French. They aggressively demand more than they put in and throw a hissy fit if anyone argues. They blocked all sales of the Sepecat Jaguar until the plane was obsolete to flog their own domestic copy to smaller nations. They caused nothing but problems and delays during the Panavia Tornado project leading to huge cost over runs and long term issues with the final aircraft. When the pulled the same crap with the eurofighter program the other partners told them to get fcuked so they stormed off and built a cheaper knock off using stolen tech designs. The French think cooperation is a dirty word and partner is synonyms with servant. The joint carrier program was Britain designing the ships and letting the French finger paint theirs to keep them happy and quiet. Otherwise the ships still wouldn't be built.
@@ianjardine7324 Correct! Other examples - I am sure you recollect - Concorde , only experience with large airliners was the Caravelle a mini-Comet derivative;. The AFVG they demanded the lead although at the time their sole experience was with Mirage, knock off of Fairey Delta 2, then withdrew because 'why nort buy Mirage!' so withdrew so we had to soldier on with old stuff. The so called Anglo-French Helicopter deal - we bought their Puma, Gazelle and they cancelled their main order for Lynx., this was at same time as Jaguar were as you say they cancelled most of their order and the Carrier version - luckily the agreement meant that BAC got all the plans and we did not have to source from them and it did hav ecome ecport duccess from our side afterwards, India in particular among others. You mention Tornado - they withdrew from the consortium because, well they said the rest of us should buy their Mirages, causing development delays - deliberate of course; repeated this game over Typhoon. They have not got involved in the QE Carriers have they?
The TEMPEST project is only a research and development plan for a technology demonstrator. The British and Italians launched a fighter development program for actual deployment based on the information obtained from the Tempest Project. Japan had its own F-X program (next-generation mainstay fighter development program), which was jointly developed with an American company. The GCAP program merged these two programs and restarted them as a trilateral joint development program.
I mean, this is still Tempest. It will be called Tempest in RAF service, not GCAP. Jaguar, Tornado and Typhoon were the same They've developed the early drafts of Tempest into this. Japan and Italy joined the Tempest project, the management part of it is called GCAP. SEPECAT Jaguar Panavia Tornado Eurofighter Typhoon It's actually most like the Jaguar in nature. A single consortium, SEPECAT, developed variants of an airframe that met host nations requirements Then built in separate factory lines. Tempest will be bae, rolls Royce and Leonardo in the UK Mitsubishi and others in Japan
Seems like a decent set of partners for this programme. Importantly, France and Germany isn't involved. Nothing against them, but both have proven to be poor project partners, with Germany holding back export and France throwing a tantrum if they don't get a most of the production rights and a tailor made aircraft to their specifications.
@@dust195political stuff prevented them from doing what they were designed for. They were told they had to fight at visual range to confirm what they were. Which was not what the Phantom was designed for
I think it's going to be the best new 6th gen fighter in the world. Will be way ahead of the American Ngad project by far. With Japan and their technical knowledge and Italy this plane will be ridiculously good 🇬🇧🏴👌
@@aflyingcowboy31You know they cancelled their existing NGAD program last year for being too expensive? They are now seeking other partners to reboot the program.
@markmaher4548 not canceled just scaled back due to cost overruns on other projects. We have had flying prototypes for a few years now. Plus the navy is still working on theirs.
@@markmaher4548 You do know everything you just stated you just fabricated right? NGAD has never been cancelled, they did put the actual NGAD design on hold a few weeks back as they want to check it over, however they have stated every other part of NGAD is still going on.
@@farmerned6 Hope you're aware that in many exercises stealth planes have been using external fuel tank to break the very, very low RCIS they can achieve (mainly the F-22, as you surely know) in order to give a change to many others who couldn't "shine" without this "trick". Google it or talk to air force experts, if you know any, to confirm if what I wrote is BS. Spoiler: it's not BS
Sweden dropping out and reconsidering in 2031. Yeah nice way of saying we don't want to have to contribute to R&D but want to reap the spoils if the project is successful.
Nope it’s because we now concentrate on brand new Gripen E, which is a lot more advanced aircraft than Gripen C. For sure we have the skills to do our own 6 gen that have the functions we need (STOL, be able to get service, tanked and reloaded by recruiters and so. But… if it will be too expensive, we maybe join up and share our knowledge in making airplanes and systems.
To be fair this is a British led project because it's based on their concept and it's the only country with 5 Gen jet experience being a tier one member of the F35. Which is why the project lead company is BAE and the project HQ is in the UK
I think this new 6th generation aircraft is going to secure air superiority for Britain, Italy and Japan. Until the United States of America announce their 6th generation fighter jet anyways.
The only time the wing cracking problem has occurred on the Mitsubishi F-2 operated by Japan was during ground endurance testing of the test aircraft. The F-2 is undergoing continuous modernization and refurbishment, but due to the limited information available, lies like the old defect problem are still being told with impunity as if they still exist. If there had been a major problem like a cracked wing, anyone would know that the aircraft would have been taken out of service by now. Also, something that has not been mentioned much is the participation of American companies in the GCAP project. The GCAP project is also involving U.S. companies, whose components deal with state-of-the-art technology and sensitive information, such as sanitary communications and datalink equipment. Therefore, the GCAP project has already received prior consent from the US government. With its huge development costs and parade of cutting-edge technologies that handle sensitive information, the GCAP project is one of the most realistic development plans in recent years.
@@Maddog-xc2zv The fact that the UK had a reasonable contribution to the F-35 development program is universally acknowledged. But the problem is that the US is 30 years ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to the aerospace industry. As frustrating as it may be, the technological gap between the U.K. and the rest of the world is a matter of margins in the eyes of the U.S. In fact, it is impossible to compare the two countries because of their different areas of expertise.
@@fromfareastindy8234 yeah, and Leonardo and Mitsubishi have passed the last decades looking to the sky, doing nothing. At least be honest that without this triade there would be no 6th gen by the UK, Italy, and Japan, and, who still knows, some dusts from a technologic power like Sweden by 2031. Jeez
@@thunderclapandflash8160 yeah maybe they could do something like the British one is Tempest-B the Italian one is the Tempest-I and the Japanese one is the Tempest-J
It looks like an F22 because the current aircraft design paradigm is one of stealth, literally every country is heading in that direction. However, the F22's mission is air superiority. The Tempest is a fighter-bomber tailored to cover vast ranges, particularly in the pacific ocean. Completely different missions.
How many ways can you design a current gen fighter? All fighters of their generation look the same in the same way all cars or trains or ships do. It's like saying A P-51D looks very familiar to all the other WW2 fighters.
MBDA is owned at 37.5% by Airbus and its headquarter is in France. A lot of its workforce is French. So this project is unofficially a British/french/italian/japanese endeavour :)
Yes if this fighter ever goes into service with the RAF it will biggest surprise in this Labour administration tenure. Reeves has already asked the MOD to save costs. At a time when most Europeans are increasing defence spending in response to Vlad's sabre rattling.
Well, if they Torys hadn't left behind a salted earth economy? Hadn't hollowed HM Forces to the extent we now have the smallest armed forces since before the Napoleonic wars? We might be in a better position.
@@markmaher4548 Both parties that are the problem. It started with' Options for Change' and 'Front Line first' under the Tories with the fall of the Soviet Union. Labour then accelerated it a load with their 'Strategic Defence Review 1998', 'SDR New Chapter 2002', and 'Delivering Security in a Changing World'. Since then, there's been a steady chipping away at the Military to feed the bloated benefits budget. What's really needed is a PM with the balls to cut benefits, and restrict NHS spending to British Citizens only, to free up money for defence, in my opinion anyways.
To be fair this is a British led project because it's based on their concept and it's the only country with 5 Gen jet experience being a tier one member of the F35. Which is why the project lead company is BAE and the project HQ is in the UK. The others will contribute to their customised jets
The American project is heavily rumoured to be about to be cancelled... It's too ambitious and the necessary weapons tech won't be mature enough when it enters service. The US military industrial complex is too bloated to make anything cost efficient to deliver now.
agreed, F22 is still unbeatable but the birth of F35 is proof that not every aircraft has to have the ability to beat USA in terms of fighting capabilities
@@thunderclapandflash8160 Most people would be VERY surprised by the real world capabilities of the F-35. There's now two types of fighter. Relics (😈😉) from before the F-35 and the paradigm shift after and including the F-35. You can think of it almost literally like the difference between a 1990s radio controlled helicopter and a 2010s DJI drone quad helicopter. One takes 10,000 hours to master. The other requires zero hours to master. But it's not flashy numbers, cobras and shiny pointy weapons so nobody pays it any attention. But it IS what the _pilots_ gush about.
@@Rosseboi looks cost and priority related. The US seems to be updating their 70 year old ICBMs first. They are based on 50s tech with an iterative update in 1970. They are far behind a few other countries in ground based nuclear deterrence.
Its got more than enough new technology to be deemed a new generation. The fact that directed energy weapons and defence are closer than this video suggests is an example of that. Its got an entirely AR cockpit too, which is going to reduce the mental load on pilots a hell of a lot.
They wouldn't settle for on par unless it's cheaper to produce. There's no reason to, all 3 nations are leading in electronics and aviation industries. It's been too long with the old designs and the current situation in the world requires renewed efforts to push past this deadlock that American, Russian and Chinese fighters seem to have reached.
@@OnlyGraftingAmericans haven’t been in a “dead lock” lol the f-22 is still the best fighter to date and America is already doing test flights on their new 6 gen fighter the NGAD.
i had a bit of a thought in the back of my head about joining the navy... but nevermind getting killed by a laser like you're in star wars is diabolical
That's not accurate. The UK can easily afford to send 15 Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine. Our defense budget is over £50 billion, and the cost of those tanks is a tiny fraction of that. Supporting Ukraine is a strategic investment in our security, not a financial burden.
That budget is split up between research and all the different branches of the armed forces the actual amount for purchasing new equipment is considerably less than 50 billion
@@HoverV2 even with this point, which is true, we can still afford to send that many challenger 2’s to Ukraine. it’s a relatively small expenditure in overall budget. it can be funded through specific allocations or additional government support as well.
@@alexandertsigaridas5411 I can't believe it! How can the UK government only offer a 2nd rate hotel experience to the foreign fighting aged men that are breaking into the country! 😤
The minute the French feel like their egos might be bruised for being classed as an equal partner, rather than the main men, they’ll throw a huff and pull out. Saltiness is inherent in their culture.
@@darkmatter6714I don’t think they can though, last time they did that it was ok because Germany was also partnered with Britain and Italy for eurofighter, so there were still invested partners. If france pulls out of the euro project this time it would leave Germany stuck with Spain, who aren’t really a financial power when compared to Italy Britain and france for the military. So if france pulls out, Germany loses any chance of developing their own jet and will have to buy a foreign one, which would actually be kinda a first for them I think, as all their jets to far have been domestically produced or in partner with other countries
@@pandemoniumcrow well, now that the Brits are out of the European Union, it leaves the French as a military to dog, so the Germans will pamper pamper to them - which is what they like.
One of the lessons to come out of 5th generation fighters is the "state of readiness" is abysmal. A sword is not very useful if it spends most of its time at the blacksmith. A 6th generation fighter will probably be a bigger maintenance money pit. May want to pivot a little and pursue a 4.5 generation replacement like the Gripen E to cover while the 6th generation platform is in the shop.
The typhoon is already the best 4th gen so there's little point in developing another 4th gen, Italy also uses the Typhoon but it's not as good as the British version
@@mrcaboosevg6089basically the core of British military ideology now. Challenger is just upgrade modules being pumped out. The ships keep getting repairs and refits for new technology and soon laser weaponry. Everything is modular where possible. The only downside is that during peace these things are a constant drain of money. Upkeeping costs are a lot higher when you don't actively need them in the sky
@@OnlyGrafting That's great for ships and other big expensive things, keeps them modern but tanks it's just stupid. We have the companies to make a whole new tank, the armour, technology and the gun is already set so a new chassis would make everything better. Can't solely rely on a strong Navy because one day it might not be enough
Heaven forbid other countries other than America can have pride in their devolopments. Maybe because the F-22's physical design is the most optimised shape for an aircraft using stealth and thrust vectoring capabilities so convergent design would most likely to happen. At least this thing is made in-house instead of the cheap knock offs the Russians and Chinese have crapped out. It seems anything anyone does outside of America, the yanks have to just shit all over it. We are aware you have a ridiculous R&D budget, believe me, we know but we are allowed some pride too.
It's a good idea because none of the countries can cancel it without paying compensation to the other countries just like Concorde would have cost the UK.
Looks like it combines many features of the F22 and F35, nose from the Raptor, engine inlets resemble F35, V tails from the defunct YF23, and in an odd design choice, the reverse cranked wing of the F15. Looks like it was designed by a fanboy, but as a fanboy, i applaud the incorporation of these elements❤
There are great avionics, airframe, jet engine designers and engineers working on it. The GCAP has a great idea wth this fighter. Once it's mass produced for the 3 countries, then the overall cost will be reduced and more countries will want them again reducing cost. Also, good revenue for all three countries.
Italy, Britain and Japan calibration for making arms and especially 6th generation fighter jet is very very good affects to beat America supremacy in all kinds of arms.
@@TheSarinaideno they aren’t…. What even makes you say that? USA has never been ahead of Uk or Japan in technology. Ww2 they were always behind. And even now. It’s funny seeing Ameircan cope.
Errr by the sounds of it's a multirole fighter so more analogous to a more advanced F-22/F-35 mashup, just probably way more expensive so it will end up getting cancelled, much like all other 6th gen fighters except the US and probably China. Honestly I think all of the other 6th gen programs should come together that are not politically impossible, so Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, India and Brazil. all taking production of parts at first, but then sharing all data on how to build the whole craft so places like India and Spain that are mostly interested about building up their own production base can still do that, but also spread the development cost out. With that many cooks in the kitchen you would delay the time it takes and would have members inevitably drop out, but the project has an actual chance of coming to fruition.
It's marketing hype. We have yet to see real 5th gen planes. So far no so called 5th gen plane even has a decisive edge over 4.5 gen planes. Beware the marketing hype.
So are we ignoring that the f-22 and f-35 are completely invisible to all 4th gen aircraft, im pretty sure that's a decisive advantage, being able to sneak up on any other aircraft.
I was suprised to see the Tempest full size mockup at the Royal International Air Tattoo this year.. Was pretty cool, Look forward to seeing the final result.. about time the UK got something to trump the F-22 👍🏻
Sweden would have been HUGE to have on board as they usually create the most practical stuff. Their Gripen fighters with their focus on dispersal operations are one example of that: easy to maintain out in the field with mobile support crew and tools, easy to relocate with how they don't require a specialized hangars or runways, and cheap to operate due to the plane being designed for all these things. I still hope that Sweden will reconsider and join the program, although depending on how high-tech and costly the plane ends up being, it may not fit into their military doctrine of going for the most practical defensive tools... We'll see though, even if they don't rejoin in 2031 or whenever, the whole of Europe will still benefit from having domestically produced stealth planes capable of a variety of missions and payloads! :)
@solinvictus1234 Gripen-E has comparable or higher price than modern USA jets, including F-35. Try again, only maybe this time do some research beforehand.
@@bitw00f Cause the Gripen E do not fit anything made in Sweden. It have the Leonardo ES-05 AESA radar and the Leonardo IRST Skyguard EW. I did my research, so i can say that a plane with gold standard stuff in it (as Leonardo's one) cost a lot. But if a Gripen first block cost cheap, it's cause it have cheap stuff in it.
@solinvictus1234 And yet we are still talking about different things. I never said Swedish stuff was cheap or entirely domestic, I said that they know how to design PRACTICAL solutions, and then you came in with the questions of cost. Gripens always had a certain degree of foreign components in them, heck, even the engine is imported. But this doesn't change the fact that they are easier to service, cheaper to operate, and offer features that simply aren't present in any other platform. This is what I was talking about: Swedes know how to build reliable platforms that are perfect for their intended objectives. Practical machines, even if expensive, instead of shiny toys that can't stand the grim reality of a real war.
@@bitw00f "I said that they know how to design PRACTICAL solutions" Everyone knows how to do that. What is designed is what is required by who want you do design things. Swedish did the Gripen in that way cause their Airforce asked to have that particular peculiarity. I don't get your point really.
There is not enough money going around Europe to afford two 6th gen fighters. Idk what the dispute with the FCAS program is, but I would really love to see these two programs converge. With Airbus, Dassault and Mistubishi on board, what could pussibly go wrong?
Is GCAP Better than NGAD? Well, granting that NGAD got at least temporarily shelved.. by sheer virttue of actually being an extant programme? Yes. 6th gen fighters are going to be absolutely wild.
@@powerhouse6165it’s the same purpose, probably will have some kind of optical dazzler or laser for disrupting of destroying missiles that do manage to get too close
3 countries don't have a 5th generation aircraft... Hmm... Let's start making the 6th generation! 😁 If it's that easy, we need to create the 26th generation right away😎😂
Innovation is evolving so fast that by the time they start manufacturing these they will be outdated. Hopefully they evolve in a way that improvements can be made easily and where this could end up being a gen 6.5 or even gen7 aircraft. One thing just touched on was the laser weapon, the UK is at the forefront of laser technology, and while America develops big bulky laser systems with crazy cost, the UK is more about compact systems that are maybe slightly less capable but more than capable of getting the job done where America can't, and at much better cost.
I think I prefer the original Tempest design, but getting Japan on board is a big W
Japan is tier one member I think
@@theancientsancients1769
They're only in it to advance their own avionics industry then they'll leave for the next gen once they've caught up.
Japan is anything but stupid. And most of the time their tech is more reliable and cheaper to maintain than western bloated products.
The big advantage of this current design is _space_
This is a heavy delta winged fighter designed to carry enormous weapons loads across Pacific distances.
No more "1,000km with a light AA armament"
This is a LONG range fighter bomber and western militaries are crying out for this capability
I thought Japan was looking at procuring the blueprints and rights to build the YF-23?
@@SentokuLC well when think about it this new aircraft is basically is like YF23 but also like FB22 which basically best both worlds
Tempest is a heck of a good name for a fighter
The germans certainly remember it from the second world war ! lol
Tempest was a heck of a good fighter
Rimuru Tempest
Sounds better on a deodorant
@@justinwhaley1288 lol that's what i was thinking
$5 says when I wake up tomorrow, China will be saying they have a 6th gen fighter all of their own. Complete with a CGI picture of it. 🤦
Oh and dont forget they will have a Martin and Baker Ejection Seat 🤣🤣🤣
U do know china is the second largest spending budget right America was to stupid to know how anything works over. They are not far from us on their spending budget. They are bigger they are smarter way smarter. Their kids learning string theory our are learning how to twerk.
I am not a big fan of making a bet on losing proposition
Thats true thats how china fast is. With just a little magic from Mr .xi
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Let's hope Italy does the styling, Japan does the electronics & manufacturer, and Britain does the actual engineering
I believe Italy are the radar and electronic specialists. Ferranti.
I hope Italy does the engines!! V12 car engines are beautiful.
Plane can be Ferrari red ot Lamborghini green😁
Being serious though, the three countries involved are all good in their fields. I jope the plane will be a big success as i fear they may well be used in anger sooner than we think.
Mind you, i wouldn't put it past Labour to put it on hold or cancel it, they seem hellbent on destroying the UK.
@@legend9335 Leonardo, not Ferranti.
@@KB996 Why tf would you want a green or red fighter jet
@@HoverV2 I'm hoping the Japanese lend their artists to itasha the jets instead
Sweden withdrew because we´re building a moon to earth capable super jet with ultradimensional capabilities and you can put it all together yourself with a guide from IKEA,
I hope it will also have pulse lasers, that would be pretty cool
That would be a crap moon visit. When is the Bolanget open again?
and there will still be extra parts at the bottom of the box.
@@Nonehasthisnamekek1 ....you need an Allen key and a screwdriver though.
@@tsigahn6509 Ironically, lasers were on the original design for point defence.
Design looks like an F22/F23 hybrid, it still has vertical stabilizers.
O yeah the super raptor thing ? They got a cool name for it somethink raptor suprisingly enough
F22/f35 hybrid but yes i do very much agree with you
after 30 years they made a f-22
@@CubicPuzzle I see YF23 more than F35 influence. It's long and sleek like the F22 and YF23
@@intothewild5045the Black Widow is what you’re thinking of, and the reason it might look like that is because Japan actually bought the data and blueprints for the YF23 from Northrop a few years ago
UK has done the right thing by having Japan as its partner and moving away from germany and france, Sweden would have been a great partner to have and them leaving the project is regrettable.
Agreed France is to unreliable a partner, probably remembered what they were like during the eurofighter development
Plus Italy has at least some experience in gen development now thanks to the f-35 project
I agree. UK, Italy and Japan should be a good partnership.
@@xdclancer8847 you mean germany is unreliable, we've just been more picky on projects, because unlike germany, we have overseas territories to defend
@@lebigeon no actually you french are not unreliable ... your just bolshy and arrogant with a nationalistic mindset that makes it almost impossible to work in collaboration with ... although you did succeed in collaborating with the germans if my memory serves me correctly ! 😎
@@lebigeon France is unreliable as twice they pulled out of the Tornado project and the Eurofighter project taking all what they learnt and just made their own planes . Biggest one is how the Raffle looks so much like the Typhoon as France used a majority of the Typhoon design on the Raffle. The French when they get what they needed will just opt out to make their own planes at the expense of the other partners as they couldn't give a toss to partners other than themselves.
Let's hope Britain's Labour government doesn't scrap this like they did with the TSR-2.
OOOOOOOH the TSR2 was a sexy aircraft shame it got cancelled but at least we got the Tornado to replace it
Great to see Uk and Japan working together
After a century
An Anglo-Italo-Japanese aircraft design/manufacturing co-operation is sure to be an absolute giant one day, possibly soon, in the military aviation world. BAE has consistently made excellent aircraft, Japan's industries are world-renowned for their reliability (especially Mitsubishi) and the Leonardo company, while not as well-known or world-renowned as BAE or Mitsubishi, are still incredibly competent. It seems a new aviation giant might be brewing - especially if the co-operation between these nations and companies leads to the creation of a joint business, as has happened before in some of these collaborations.
leonardo italy and lenardo uk? mbda italy or mbda uk. elt group italy or .... elt group with leonardo is jont for a new concet of ppa navy radar sel defence mbda italy built for exaple meteor missile with duble range of uk version ask to ukaine for them look at a new carceristic of lenardo aw 249 take a look ask for typohone and tornado before to uk refernce
"while not as well-known or world-renowned as BAE or Mitsubishi, are still incredibly competent" Actually Leonardo is in the top 10 hughest bellic industry, occupying the 7th place, where the 6 above are all US industries. BAE is in the 8th place.
So i will say that Leonardo is really well world renowed. To say the US Predators and Reapers suit the Leonardo Electronic Warfare systems, as the UK Merlin. The Gripen S also, the last developed one, suit the Leonardo ES-05 AESA and the Leonardo IRST Skyguard.
@@solinvictus1234 Damn its almost like you know what you are talking about before you post a comment :P
@@solinvictus1234 Leonardo UK based up in Edinburgh build the Radars for the Eurofighter and Gripen ( but with Swedish back end ) they are building the latest version for Typhoon ( UK and Italy ) while Hensoldt/ Indra are building a new version for Spain and Germany ( but with assistance from Leonardo ) . That shows the technology is available....just government money is needed
After nearly 30 years The F-22’s form is still proving dominant in stealth.
who would have thought that nayi design from ww2 is still functional to this day :D
@@08jaworskis F22 was the second best option as their was no competition, YF 23 was even more advanced.
The YF-23 was more expensive to run. The F-22 was the cheaper one to run of the two.
it proving they doesn't have any ideas than copying what's been done, a powerpoint brit dream as they are used to provide every year!
@@RaySqw785 ''copy'' bro... you can't reinvent stealth, there isn't much more to do in design if you want maneuverability and stealth, cmon, less self stroking your ego and more logical thinking
Don't think anyone else has mentioned it, but that morph shot of the Typhoon turning into the Tempest at 4:00 is some sexy video editing.
I noticed that too. Beautiful.
American here... I hope like hell it works out and is equal to or better than what we have planned!
The more, the merrier, I say!
an american saying they hope our aircraft is better than theirs??? Are you feeling alright mate? lol
@@Lankygit01 Well... so long as you're on our side! ;-)
This is not a 6th gen and American fighter industry will be the 1st true 6th gen aircraft....well just look yourself. These programs already in the works and successor to sr71 chuggin along nicely as well. :) good luck
The Japanese bring fresh ideas remember the first AESA system developed for the Mitsubishi F2 was soon copied by the Americans then later the Europeans . The funding issue will be tough but at least all 3 partners are united while the Germans and French squabble like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
No squabble - the French want total control and tell the Germans to buy it. The Germans think that is an opening negotiation - it isn't.
@@uingaeoc3905 That's always been the issue when dealing with the French. They aggressively demand more than they put in and throw a hissy fit if anyone argues. They blocked all sales of the Sepecat Jaguar until the plane was obsolete to flog their own domestic copy to smaller nations. They caused nothing but problems and delays during the Panavia Tornado project leading to huge cost over runs and long term issues with the final aircraft. When the pulled the same crap with the eurofighter program the other partners told them to get fcuked so they stormed off and built a cheaper knock off using stolen tech designs. The French think cooperation is a dirty word and partner is synonyms with servant. The joint carrier program was Britain designing the ships and letting the French finger paint theirs to keep them happy and quiet. Otherwise the ships still wouldn't be built.
@@ianjardine7324 Correct! Other examples - I am sure you recollect - Concorde , only experience with large airliners was the Caravelle a mini-Comet derivative;. The AFVG they demanded the lead although at the time their sole experience was with Mirage, knock off of Fairey Delta 2, then withdrew because 'why nort buy Mirage!' so withdrew so we had to soldier on with old stuff. The so called Anglo-French Helicopter deal - we bought their Puma, Gazelle and they cancelled their main order for Lynx., this was at same time as Jaguar were as you say they cancelled most of their order and the Carrier version - luckily the agreement meant that BAC got all the plans and we did not have to source from them and it did hav ecome ecport duccess from our side afterwards, India in particular among others. You mention Tornado - they withdrew from the consortium because, well they said the rest of us should buy their Mirages, causing development delays - deliberate of course; repeated this game over Typhoon.
They have not got involved in the QE Carriers have they?
look at the history of aviation. The Brits lead and the rest just follow
@@timphillips9954the F-35 says differently though.
This is based on Tempest and is a British led project which Japan and Italy joined as tier one members
Where is the mention that this is British led? I can only find that it is a tri-party effort.
@@oudloeksearch for BAE TEMPEST.
mitsubishi led
The TEMPEST project is only a research and development plan for a technology demonstrator.
The British and Italians launched a fighter development program for actual deployment based on the information obtained from the Tempest Project.
Japan had its own F-X program (next-generation mainstay fighter development program), which was jointly developed with an American company.
The GCAP program merged these two programs and restarted them as a trilateral joint development program.
I mean, this is still Tempest.
It will be called Tempest in RAF service, not GCAP.
Jaguar, Tornado and Typhoon were the same
They've developed the early drafts of Tempest into this.
Japan and Italy joined the Tempest project, the management part of it is called GCAP.
SEPECAT Jaguar
Panavia Tornado
Eurofighter Typhoon
It's actually most like the Jaguar in nature.
A single consortium, SEPECAT, developed variants of an airframe that met host nations requirements
Then built in separate factory lines.
Tempest will be bae, rolls Royce and Leonardo in the UK
Mitsubishi and others in Japan
Seems like a decent set of partners for this programme. Importantly, France and Germany isn't involved. Nothing against them, but both have proven to be poor project partners, with Germany holding back export and France throwing a tantrum if they don't get a most of the production rights and a tailor made aircraft to their specifications.
"We have enough money to fund this project" Boy, is that guy in for a rude awakening lol
They may well be able to fund but when the final price tag is worked out then the UK will be broke
been funding it for 10 years so might as well continue
Sunk cost, if they stop funding now all that money just got burned for nothing like HS2
If you're getting into a dog fight in a 6th Gen fighter you've messed up real bad.
Low effort comment at this point icl
It's like saying if you get in a firefight as a sniper, you messed up.
Like yea, no shit sherlock
Thats what the Americans thought in Vietnam, one must just look at the Phantoms track record to see the flaw in that ideology.
If you're getting into a dogfight with a 6th Gen fighter it's the opposite pilot that's really bad lol
@@dust195political stuff prevented them from doing what they were designed for. They were told they had to fight at visual range to confirm what they were. Which was not what the Phantom was designed for
I think it's going to be the best new 6th gen fighter in the world. Will be way ahead of the American Ngad project by far. With Japan and their technical knowledge and Italy this plane will be ridiculously good 🇬🇧🏴👌
so we're lying
You do know it is way behind NGAD right? The US already had test flights for their 6th gen plane back in like 2020....
@@aflyingcowboy31You know they cancelled their existing NGAD program last year for being too expensive? They are now seeking other partners to reboot the program.
@markmaher4548 not canceled just scaled back due to cost overruns on other projects. We have had flying prototypes for a few years now. Plus the navy is still working on theirs.
@@markmaher4548 You do know everything you just stated you just fabricated right?
NGAD has never been cancelled, they did put the actual NGAD design on hold a few weeks back as they want to check it over, however they have stated every other part of NGAD is still going on.
nice to see international co-operation like this
«What kind of plane can beat the F-22? The F-23? Good idea, let's build one.»
Truth be said, is more as if it was a child of both
Eurofighter HAS repeatedly, both RAF and Luftwaffe EF's have claimed F-22 kills in exercise
@@farmerned6 Hope you're aware that in many exercises stealth planes have been using external fuel tank to break the very, very low RCIS they can achieve (mainly the F-22, as you surely know) in order to give a change to many others who couldn't "shine" without this "trick". Google it or talk to air force experts, if you know any, to confirm if what I wrote is BS. Spoiler: it's not BS
@@farmerned6 Wasnt that massively nerfed F-22s with drop tanks, which destroys its stealth signature?
@@farmerned6bro, that F-22 was crippled for that fight
The most important thing is if they get their smart integrated swarm tech up and running.
Looks like an F-22 and an F-35 had a baby together....
with F15 wings
if it aint broke...
As big of a fan I am of my own country (USA), I love seeing our allies succeeding. I hope this fighter can finally replace the F22 before WW3.
I'm from Scotland and the F22 is a sexy bitch 😂
@@hk07666 We need eachother. Remember the P 51 Mustang was great with a RR Merlin.
@@NATObait so true
before ww3?
@@steel1172Bro is a time traveler 😂
Sweden dropping out and reconsidering in 2031. Yeah nice way of saying we don't want to have to contribute to R&D but want to reap the spoils if the project is successful.
Nope it’s because we now concentrate on brand new Gripen E, which is a lot more advanced aircraft than Gripen C. For sure we have the skills to do our own 6 gen that have the functions we need (STOL, be able to get service, tanked and reloaded by recruiters and so.
But… if it will be too expensive, we maybe join up and share our knowledge in making airplanes and systems.
I heard that swedes decided to focus on unmanned drone fighters. Those will naturally complement this thing.
UK, Italy, and Japan? It will be a beast
It was signed by Tories and labour scrapped it. We have F35 already.
To be fair this is a British led project because it's based on their concept and it's the only country with 5 Gen jet experience being a tier one member of the F35. Which is why the project lead company is BAE and the project HQ is in the UK
@@theancientsancients1769yep main supllier.
Fr
@@theancientsancients1769also Italy was importante in f35 project
I think this new 6th generation aircraft is going to secure air superiority for Britain, Italy and Japan. Until the United States of America announce their 6th generation fighter jet anyways.
The only time the wing cracking problem has occurred on the Mitsubishi F-2 operated by Japan was during ground endurance testing of the test aircraft.
The F-2 is undergoing continuous modernization and refurbishment, but due to the limited information available, lies like the old defect problem are still being told with impunity as if they still exist.
If there had been a major problem like a cracked wing, anyone would know that the aircraft would have been taken out of service by now.
Also, something that has not been mentioned much is the participation of American companies in the GCAP project.
The GCAP project is also involving U.S. companies, whose components deal with state-of-the-art technology and sensitive information, such as sanitary communications and datalink equipment.
Therefore, the GCAP project has already received prior consent from the US government.
With its huge development costs and parade of cutting-edge technologies that handle sensitive information, the GCAP project is one of the most realistic development plans in recent years.
don't say that. the empire dudes will have a tantrum...
@@Maddog-xc2zv The fact that the UK had a reasonable contribution to the F-35 development program is universally acknowledged.
But the problem is that the US is 30 years ahead of the rest of the world when it comes to the aerospace industry.
As frustrating as it may be, the technological gap between the U.K. and the rest of the world is a matter of margins in the eyes of the U.S.
In fact, it is impossible to compare the two countries because of their different areas of expertise.
@@fromfareastindy8234 yeah, and Leonardo and Mitsubishi have passed the last decades looking to the sky, doing nothing. At least be honest that without this triade there would be no 6th gen by the UK, Italy, and Japan, and, who still knows, some dusts from a technologic power like Sweden by 2031. Jeez
They should still call it tempest
How bout Tempest-J? yk to include Japan as well
@@thunderclapandflash8160 yeah maybe they could do something like the British one is Tempest-B the Italian one is the Tempest-I and the Japanese one is the Tempest-J
We will still be calling it Tempest.
Think of it more like the GCAP Tempest.
Like Eurofighter Typhoon
@@DrewScott-kj6fr They can call it a kangaroo as long as it jumps ahead of the competition who gives a s**t .
@@NATObait finally, someone with sense
Best of luck. Japan needs this urgently.
lol why did you show a fusion chamber when talking about the jet engine?!?!
maybe he thinks the thing will have a damn fusion engine lol
Getting this thing out in just 11 years as a new gen fighter is a tall order, but it’s a slick design and will be cool if they can do it!
That's an F-22 Raptor. It's one of those mild upgrades, like iPhone 14 to 15.
the F22 lemon is a downgrade, little wonder they were retired.
It looks like an F22 because the current aircraft design paradigm is one of stealth, literally every country is heading in that direction. However, the F22's mission is air superiority. The Tempest is a fighter-bomber tailored to cover vast ranges, particularly in the pacific ocean. Completely different missions.
@@regencyrow1867 "If it isn't broken, don't fix it".
One sexy mix of a YF-23 and a F-22.
yeap a baby of the YF22 and the YF23
That fighter looks very familiar doesn’t?
Kinda like the 'love-child' of an F-16XL, and an YF-23? Oma, the J- 35, might yet be proud?
To what ?
How many ways can you design a current gen fighter? All fighters of their generation look the same in the same way all cars or trains or ships do. It's like saying A P-51D looks very familiar to all the other WW2 fighters.
@joeceonnia1954 right, it still uses the same basic and egine technology, invented by the german.
@@B-A-L witch engine was used for p 51? for doing a good airplane it USA used a rr merlin like a spitfire
Sounds like f22 mixed with f 35
they should just skip the 6th Gen and build 7th Gen instead. No, better yet, make 10th Gen.
I think it's too early for that
Maybe you can begin with 15th gen 😊
Nah Nah. They should make spaceship first@@rahulghuge9547😂
What about the 16th Gen bet you never thought about that😂
Uses Anti Gravity Technology element 115 curtacy of area 51.
Nah 15th gen
4:00 cool transition
Um, what does the tokamak image (1:47) have to do with aerospace?
They figured out xxs fusion and made it the jet's secondary power source, duh
@@aboomination897 My how far we've come, lol. It only seems like yesterday that we were toying with MSRs for jet liners, now look at us!
I like that they are putting in a tokomak fusion drive in there (@00:01:48). Finally, a fusion of technologies to defend our skies!
We still have it in us!
Yesssirrrrr!!
MBDA is owned at 37.5% by Airbus and its headquarter is in France. A lot of its workforce is French. So this project is unofficially a British/french/italian/japanese endeavour :)
Gotta defend all those immigrants somehow
Yes if this fighter ever goes into service with the RAF it will biggest surprise in this Labour administration tenure. Reeves has already asked the MOD to save costs. At a time when most Europeans are increasing defence spending in response to Vlad's sabre rattling.
Well, if they Torys hadn't left behind a salted earth economy? Hadn't hollowed HM Forces to the extent we now have the smallest armed forces since before the Napoleonic wars? We might be in a better position.
@@markmaher4548The Tories and Labour are 2 different checks of the same arse.
its been logged in for 10 years, cost has allready been sunk. it will continue
I think this project will go the same way as the TSR
@@markmaher4548 Both parties that are the problem. It started with' Options for Change' and 'Front Line first' under the Tories with the fall of the Soviet Union. Labour then accelerated it a load with their 'Strategic Defence Review 1998', 'SDR New Chapter 2002', and 'Delivering Security in a Changing World'. Since then, there's been a steady chipping away at the Military to feed the bloated benefits budget. What's really needed is a PM with the balls to cut benefits, and restrict NHS spending to British Citizens only, to free up money for defence, in my opinion anyways.
with such technology aliens have no chance
The US really made the F-22 more than 30 years ago and nobody's been able to trump the design huh
When 3 countries collaborate than they should be making 9 generation fighter jets.
To be fair this is a British led project because it's based on their concept and it's the only country with 5 Gen jet experience being a tier one member of the F35. Which is why the project lead company is BAE and the project HQ is in the UK. The others will contribute to their customised jets
Well, seeing as it's Japan or should be over 9,000 generation
i can already bet its gonna be in the air for 1 hr and 62 hrs in repairment with dozen of engineers
This is not going to beat America’s fighter program but hopefully will become a good alternative.
The American project is heavily rumoured to be about to be cancelled...
It's too ambitious and the necessary weapons tech won't be mature enough when it enters service.
The US military industrial complex is too bloated to make anything cost efficient to deliver now.
agreed, F22 is still unbeatable but the birth of F35 is proof that not every aircraft has to have the ability to beat USA in terms of fighting capabilities
@@thunderclapandflash8160
Most people would be VERY surprised by the real world capabilities of the F-35.
There's now two types of fighter.
Relics (😈😉) from before the F-35 and the paradigm shift after and including the F-35.
You can think of it almost literally like the difference between a 1990s radio controlled helicopter and a 2010s DJI drone quad helicopter.
One takes 10,000 hours to master.
The other requires zero hours to master.
But it's not flashy numbers, cobras and shiny pointy weapons so nobody pays it any attention.
But it IS what the _pilots_ gush about.
@@MostlyPennyCat......F22 is a relic ?
@@Rosseboi looks cost and priority related. The US seems to be updating their 70 year old ICBMs first. They are based on 50s tech with an iterative update in 1970. They are far behind a few other countries in ground based nuclear deterrence.
We need that fighter in Aus to be built in Aus for the defense of Aus.
Looks 5th gen to me… looks like they want to skip a generation, but that doesn’t make it 6th gen. 🤓
Why develop one? We already have F35s and I believe that the eurofighters will temporarily get replaced by F35s and later tempest
Its got more than enough new technology to be deemed a new generation. The fact that directed energy weapons and defence are closer than this video suggests is an example of that. Its got an entirely AR cockpit too, which is going to reduce the mental load on pilots a hell of a lot.
Looks and ability are two different things
@@urban4957 The 5th generation fighter also has this function.
What makes a plane a gen better it's what it have inside and what it is capable to do. Not it's design
Hopefully, it will have Tiktok, Instagram, Candy Crush, and OF integrated into the HUD.
5.5 perhaps
Unveiling a design is not like unveiling a plane.
look's like the f22
Observer bias
It's not 6th gen. It's just 5th gen that is late. There is nothing more advanced in this plane than in F-35.
or on par with what the americans have but its nice to see japan the uk corporate military working together
Again look at history. The Americans tend to produce mass produced junk
They wouldn't settle for on par unless it's cheaper to produce. There's no reason to, all 3 nations are leading in electronics and aviation industries. It's been too long with the old designs and the current situation in the world requires renewed efforts to push past this deadlock that American, Russian and Chinese fighters seem to have reached.
@@OnlyGraftingAmericans haven’t been in a “dead lock” lol the f-22 is still the best fighter to date and America is already doing test flights on their new 6 gen fighter the NGAD.
i had a bit of a thought in the back of my head about joining the navy... but nevermind
getting killed by a laser like you're in star wars is diabolical
We in the UK cant even afford 15 Challenger 2 tanks in Ukraine without losing all our money. How can we expect ourselves to afford this.
That's not accurate. The UK can easily afford to send 15 Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine. Our defense budget is over £50 billion, and the cost of those tanks is a tiny fraction of that. Supporting Ukraine is a strategic investment in our security, not a financial burden.
Average citizen not understanding budgets at all
That budget is split up between research and all the different branches of the armed forces the actual amount for purchasing new equipment is considerably less than 50 billion
@@HoverV2 even with this point, which is true, we can still afford to send that many challenger 2’s to Ukraine. it’s a relatively small expenditure in overall budget. it can be funded through specific allocations or additional government support as well.
Drop the DEI rubbish, fire the diversity officers and you'll have plenty of $
Labour government need funding in order to develop faster dinghies for the English Channel, so I am not very optimistic.
Astabistan formally known as Great Britain. Not worth defending.
But how are they going to pay for more five star hotels if they are spending all the money on fast dinghies? 🤔
@@hamesparde9888 they're putting them in cheaper hotels
@@alexandertsigaridas5411 I can't believe it! How can the UK government only offer a 2nd rate hotel experience to the foreign fighting aged men that are breaking into the country! 😤
@@hamesparde9888 THEY'VE GOT ALL THE CHAVS TO FEED TOO
Absolutely amazing design but they lack one thing. a f111 Ardvark ejection seat.
Nice kite
Now I wonder what the french will make to continue their tradition of making extremely angry doritoes that will outperform it
@@fl00fydragon the French have partnered with Germany to spend 10 years arguing about what they need.
The minute the French feel like their egos might be bruised for being classed as an equal partner, rather than the main men, they’ll throw a huff and pull out. Saltiness is inherent in their culture.
@@darkmatter6714I don’t think they can though, last time they did that it was ok because Germany was also partnered with Britain and Italy for eurofighter, so there were still invested partners.
If france pulls out of the euro project this time it would leave Germany stuck with Spain, who aren’t really a financial power when compared to Italy Britain and france for the military.
So if france pulls out, Germany loses any chance of developing their own jet and will have to buy a foreign one, which would actually be kinda a first for them I think, as all their jets to far have been domestically produced or in partner with other countries
@@pandemoniumcrow well, now that the Brits are out of the European Union, it leaves the French as a military to dog, so the Germans will pamper pamper to them - which is what they like.
The UK is going to enjoy the one it builds.
YF 23
Japan already showed interest in the YF 23 at Northrop, so that would not be a surprise
No
@@ddoubleg yes, it's just a copy decades after lol
Wtf that's just an F22, the one in the thumbnail looks so much better
japan and italy is a true hood classic , now we just need the steel juggernaut to join em
No way the jet on the thumbnail is a 6th gen. The tail makes a corner reflector, which is to be avoided at all costs on a stealth jet
One of the lessons to come out of 5th generation fighters is the "state of readiness" is abysmal. A sword is not very useful if it spends most of its time at the blacksmith. A 6th generation fighter will probably be a bigger maintenance money pit. May want to pivot a little and pursue a 4.5 generation replacement like the Gripen E to cover while the 6th generation platform is in the shop.
The typhoon is already the best 4th gen so there's little point in developing another 4th gen, Italy also uses the Typhoon but it's not as good as the British version
@mrcaboosevg6089 why is the Italian version inferior?
@@Rich77UK Because the British have kept upgrading theirs with modern systems, Italy hasn't. I'm not saying the Italian one is bad, far from it
@@mrcaboosevg6089basically the core of British military ideology now. Challenger is just upgrade modules being pumped out. The ships keep getting repairs and refits for new technology and soon laser weaponry. Everything is modular where possible.
The only downside is that during peace these things are a constant drain of money. Upkeeping costs are a lot higher when you don't actively need them in the sky
@@OnlyGrafting That's great for ships and other big expensive things, keeps them modern but tanks it's just stupid. We have the companies to make a whole new tank, the armour, technology and the gun is already set so a new chassis would make everything better. Can't solely rely on a strong Navy because one day it might not be enough
The second this finally comes out, America will be like "Here is the F42"
Didn't the US already talk about having a 6th gen in the works, and hinted at it in videos and on a social media
when will it enter service.... like in 100 years maybe.
Did you not listen ?
@@Bob10009 yep, I heard 100 years
@@lgnfveit’s not 100 years so you don’t listen
It's so stealthy... It doesn't exist😂😂
Labour would probably scrap the whole thing like they did the TSR2 in favour of dinghies and hotels.
Let’s hope not but I’m worried.
Once people work out that you can use stealth drones in swarms at altitude, won't these become defunct?
Ok they have collaborated on building a modified F22
You are confused! The UK replica looked similar from the 90s by British Aerospace which never went ahead
Heaven forbid other countries other than America can have pride in their devolopments. Maybe because the F-22's physical design is the most optimised shape for an aircraft using stealth and thrust vectoring capabilities so convergent design would most likely to happen. At least this thing is made in-house instead of the cheap knock offs the Russians and Chinese have crapped out.
It seems anything anyone does outside of America, the yanks have to just shit all over it. We are aware you have a ridiculous R&D budget, believe me, we know but we are allowed some pride too.
No….. f22 was built in the 90s this is way more modern.
It's a good idea because none of the countries can cancel it without paying compensation to the other countries just like Concorde would have cost the UK.
ITAR, (Look that one up?) USA always want the best Tech from else where but not disclosing theirs...
ITAR won't affect GCAP currently as it isn't using any American technology or weaponry.
Looks like it combines many features of the F22 and F35, nose from the Raptor, engine inlets resemble F35, V tails from the defunct YF23, and in an odd design choice, the reverse cranked wing of the F15. Looks like it was designed by a fanboy, but as a fanboy, i applaud the incorporation of these elements❤
They don't even have a fifth-gen fighter, and how would they be able to pull the sixth-gen out of their butt?
Ti sbagli in Italia abbiamo f35.caccia di quinta generazione.ed è assemblato a Cameri in italia
The UK Italy and Japan all fly through F35. The UK owns 15% of the programme in exactly the same way they own 37.5% of the Typhoon programme...
There are great avionics, airframe, jet engine designers and engineers working on it. The GCAP has a great idea wth this fighter. Once it's mass produced for the 3 countries, then the overall cost will be reduced and more countries will want them again reducing cost. Also, good revenue for all three countries.
They just want tell US,russia and China they are not that stupide
It is realistically a 5th gen fighter, 6th gen is just pioneering a term.
Hold up we getting a stealth delta wing?
Dayum...
Italy, Britain and Japan calibration for making arms and especially 6th generation fighter jet is very very good affects to beat America supremacy in all kinds of arms.
America is a long way ahead and they have israel helping making the technology better.
@@TheSarinaideno they aren’t…. What even makes you say that? USA has never been ahead of Uk or Japan in technology. Ww2 they were always behind. And even now.
It’s funny seeing Ameircan cope.
@@ddoubleg lol
@@TheSarinaide Britain is the biggest contributor to the US fighter program.
@@ddoubleg copying our airframe is funny
When you realise that we are getting closer and closer to having an IRL Spartan Lazer
F22 2
Errr by the sounds of it's a multirole fighter so more analogous to a more advanced F-22/F-35 mashup, just probably way more expensive so it will end up getting cancelled, much like all other 6th gen fighters except the US and probably China. Honestly I think all of the other 6th gen programs should come together that are not politically impossible, so Italy, Japan, United Kingdom, France, Germany, Spain, India and Brazil. all taking production of parts at first, but then sharing all data on how to build the whole craft so places like India and Spain that are mostly interested about building up their own production base can still do that, but also spread the development cost out.
With that many cooks in the kitchen you would delay the time it takes and would have members inevitably drop out, but the project has an actual chance of coming to fruition.
I dont know about the whole project, but the plane looks cool.
It's marketing hype.
We have yet to see real 5th gen planes.
So far no so called 5th gen plane even has a decisive edge over 4.5 gen planes.
Beware the marketing hype.
Hilarious. 😂😂
So are we ignoring that the f-22 and f-35 are completely invisible to all 4th gen aircraft, im pretty sure that's a decisive advantage, being able to sneak up on any other aircraft.
@@Blossomy77
That invisibility was 20 years ago.
It's more visible now to modern AESA radar and newer generation IRST.
Looks like if a f22 had a baby with the f35
Not going ahead. The weak woke UK government won’t allow it.
This comment makes zero sense quite apart from the fact it is totally divorced from the facts on the ground
I think they will throw their hat in with the Europeans
Stop believe everything on Elon's cesspool.
Italy joined since the beginning of the Project, not after the Sweeden or Japan. The Tempest borned under BAE-Leonardo.
I was suprised to see the Tempest full size mockup at the Royal International Air Tattoo this year..
Was pretty cool, Look forward to seeing the final result.. about time the UK got something to trump the F-22 👍🏻
Sweden would have been HUGE to have on board as they usually create the most practical stuff. Their Gripen fighters with their focus on dispersal operations are one example of that: easy to maintain out in the field with mobile support crew and tools, easy to relocate with how they don't require a specialized hangars or runways, and cheap to operate due to the plane being designed for all these things.
I still hope that Sweden will reconsider and join the program, although depending on how high-tech and costly the plane ends up being, it may not fit into their military doctrine of going for the most practical defensive tools... We'll see though, even if they don't rejoin in 2031 or whenever, the whole of Europe will still benefit from having domestically produced stealth planes capable of a variety of missions and payloads! :)
A cheap plane have cheap stuff. That's all.
@solinvictus1234 Gripen-E has comparable or higher price than modern USA jets, including F-35. Try again, only maybe this time do some research beforehand.
@@bitw00f Cause the Gripen E do not fit anything made in Sweden. It have the Leonardo ES-05 AESA radar and the Leonardo IRST Skyguard EW.
I did my research, so i can say that a plane with gold standard stuff in it (as Leonardo's one) cost a lot.
But if a Gripen first block cost cheap, it's cause it have cheap stuff in it.
@solinvictus1234 And yet we are still talking about different things. I never said Swedish stuff was cheap or entirely domestic, I said that they know how to design PRACTICAL solutions, and then you came in with the questions of cost. Gripens always had a certain degree of foreign components in them, heck, even the engine is imported. But this doesn't change the fact that they are easier to service, cheaper to operate, and offer features that simply aren't present in any other platform. This is what I was talking about: Swedes know how to build reliable platforms that are perfect for their intended objectives. Practical machines, even if expensive, instead of shiny toys that can't stand the grim reality of a real war.
@@bitw00f "I said that they know how to design PRACTICAL solutions"
Everyone knows how to do that. What is designed is what is required by who want you do design things. Swedish did the Gripen in that way cause their Airforce asked to have that particular peculiarity.
I don't get your point really.
There is not enough money going around Europe to afford two 6th gen fighters. Idk what the dispute with the FCAS program is, but I would really love to see these two programs converge. With Airbus, Dassault and Mistubishi on board, what could pussibly go wrong?
The UK has the know...we just dont have the money !
Multi-role aircraft are always a compromise, make fighters that are fighters and bombers that are bombers.
AHHHHHH, now I understand why winter heating payments to pensioners in the UK needs to be cut.
this comment broke me XD
Is GCAP Better than NGAD?
Well, granting that NGAD got at least temporarily shelved.. by sheer virttue of actually being an extant programme? Yes.
6th gen fighters are going to be absolutely wild.
Its all fun in games until you realize the SR-72 might be in production right now.
I mean it might exist but the 71 was a recon plane not made for combat, I doubt the 72 would see a major shift in that aspect.
@@powerhouse6165it’s the same purpose, probably will have some kind of optical dazzler or laser for disrupting of destroying missiles that do manage to get too close
Interesting that Germany, Spain, and France have not signed onto this agreement, given their prominent role on Typhoon.
They already have another project (that surely will fail) the FCAS
Looks like a raptor to me 🤨
Welcome to the drone era. Fighters are SO 1940.
Pretty much an updated YF-23. Which is awesome
WT players on their way to leaking the docs rn:
3 countries don't have a 5th generation aircraft... Hmm... Let's start making the 6th generation! 😁
If it's that easy, we need to create the 26th generation right away😎😂
Innovation is evolving so fast that by the time they start manufacturing these they will be outdated. Hopefully they evolve in a way that improvements can be made easily and where this could end up being a gen 6.5 or even gen7 aircraft. One thing just touched on was the laser weapon, the UK is at the forefront of laser technology, and while America develops big bulky laser systems with crazy cost, the UK is more about compact systems that are maybe slightly less capable but more than capable of getting the job done where America can't, and at much better cost.