Are these Johnny highlights HYPE? (Guilty Gear XRD)
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
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This time, we're looking at the Johnny highlight reel. Are these Johnny highlights hype enough to impress me?
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Johnny is THE prime example of what Sajam talked about for Top Tier Fatigue being a thing.
It doesn't matter how cool the character is, how stylish he is, or how hard he is.. if a character is top tier enough, people will start to hate.
At least he is cool tho. Like i dont mind getting bodied by such a cool character.
stay mad
@@maxrusty3596 you will
@@arbyw.1889 I wish he was my main back in xrd
@@maxrusty3596 I don't care how cool char is unblockables are pure cancer
can't wait for 11 minutes of set play into unblockable confirm. let's go.
Honestly, it's how he's so burst safe that bothers me most about him.
Oh, you didn't burst immediately because you were afraid of being burst baited? Too bad, eat this entire loop.
He’s more of a stike/ throw archetype. People would call him a grappler as a jest too.
Johnny reminds me of a concept from MtG. In Magic there's what's referred to as "fair" or "unfair" decks. Fair decks play the game basically as intended, they use creatures and spells to eventually reduce your life to zero. Unfair decks have some alternative gameplan to win, either an infinite combo, or discarding a huge creature to reanimate for cheap, or making their opponent completely unable to play .
But, at least in this usage, "fairness" has nothing to do with powerlevel. You can have terrible unfair decks and completely broken fair decks. Johnny has always struck me as an Overpowered Fair Character, if that makes any sense. For an Arcsys top tier, he's actually really... standard. He's got massive hitboxes, fantastic frame data and enormous and stable damage, but the only really wacky thing he does is the unblockable, which at least for classic Arcsys is on the lower end of crazy shit. He doesn't put invisible traps on the screen or ignore blockstun or autoblock everything or ToD you at round start. He's not even really that good at mix compared to most of the rest of the cast, you'll never get reset 3 times into death or forced to block multiple unseeable high/low/left/rights or anything. He just wins neutral by default, does unchallengeable pressure and then kills you when you eventually make a mistake. And he looks extremely cool while doing it.
He's been on top long enough that a nerf is definitely deserved, but of all the characters in Xrd Johnny is one of the ones that I would mind being the best the least. In the alternate universe where Ram and Johnny switched positions the game is much worse off.
That's a really interesting take. I guess at the end of the day, a character will always be "best in the game" and you have to ask is it better that this character is the best rather than another one.
Assuming it can't be your main.
@@BlueDragon7100 I mean depends on what kind of person you are that you would want it to be your main. Most people probably want around the 5thish best? Good enough that you can play and have an easier time. Not so good that people are constantly harassing you, trying to invalidate your wins, and potentially making you feel guilty and question whether youre nice or if your character carried that win.
But yeah as I've been thinking about strive. I don't like that all the top tiers feel like the easiest characters of the bunch and if you want to play a more technical or interesting character you're at double disadvantage cause they're not as strong, as well as requiring more thinking. But... When I think about the JackOs, happy chaos, and zatos being top tier. That sounds awful to fight. I'd rather have the top tiers have simple obvious gameplans that most people can figure out the counterplay. Not some ridiculous ass undecipherable gameplan that you'll never see coming every match.
Exactly my opinion, there’s always going to be S tier rank one and if that’s the case it may as well be represented by someone who plays relatively standard, minus the unblockable. Playing against a good +R Baiken is considerably less fun
Guilty gear strive is that universe
Baiken: she looks cool and people hate her.
Johny:he looks cool and people hate him.
Slayer:He looks cool and people dont like him.
I mean tbh Slayer is annoying for the same reason Baiken is annoying, he's just worse in other areas and has pretty below average neutral, unlike Baiken
That s Guilty Gear
@Konakon izumi Because guilty gear is a game for selfish people and everyone thinks what you think about their own character.
@Konakon izumi are you talking about Johnny or Slayer now? And weren't you defending Millia in the last video? No offense. Just a little confused.
@@NeoBoneGirl ...wait what? Why would Slayer be annoying for the same reason as Baiken, they're nothing alike
I'm surprised it wasn't on there, but for anybody wanting an incredibly silly Johnny clip, Karinchu has a really good one in 'GGXrdR 12/29/16 - Karinchu (Johnny) vs Victims Part 1/2' on mdesilva's channel at around 37:45.
I knew this highlight vid would probably not have any karinchu combos but he's def the og god. like the kesuke of rev 2
I went to look, that was a real funny round for sure.
Johnny is my favorite character in this game I'm sure I'll love this
I'd love to hear the difference between xrd and +R Johnny honestly. There seems to be a huge gap in viability
Xrd Johnny needs less character specific combos, has bigger and better buttons (+r johnny's buttons have very specific uses and gaps), easier execution, and doesnt have to choose between getting a knockdown/oki or damage. xrd johnny coin is also more plus (+8 instead of +4) and has a better trajectory.
In general, xrd johnny is streamlined and more straight forward and has to make less choices, zweihander for example is in many ways ensenga, killer joker and divine blade rolled into one.
That said, +R Johnny is absolutely viable, anyone saying otherwise is straight up wrong.
Xrd Johnny is executionally easier, his good stuff is less character specific than his counterpart (still character specific though, don't get me wrong), has amazing normals, has a very strong neutral skip/pressure reset with zwei YRC, and has very consistent access to hard knockdown so he can run unblockable loops.
+R Johnny is in a game that just across the board has harder execution due to the presence of FRCs and Johnny having like 10 or 12 different FRC points, his access to hard knockdowns (and his entire combo game for that matter) that lead into unblockable loops is INCREDIBLY character specific, and his normals are on average weaker than his Xrd counterpart due to having janky deadzones (shoutouts to far slash).
Despite this, +R Johnny is still a perfectly viable character, as +R doesn't have non-viable characters imo. He's certainly a massive amount of work though, and not a particularly stable character.
There's also the fact of the meta he exists in. +R Johnny is strong in a vacuum, but the amount of BS that exists in +R is way, waaay beyond anything that ever existed in Xrd. Even Xrd Johnny 1.0 wouldn't be top tier in +R. (which was insanely busted on release with stuff like comboable airthrow with 0 damage scaling. He was consistently nerfed in every subsequent patch)
@@HiNi. ah so xrd Johnny is a much more refined and overall buffed character interesting. I only have +R at the moment but when the opportunity arises I know who I'll lab first in xrd. Thanks for the help
I asked Peppery a while back about why he switched to Venom, to which he replied "i just think he's more interesting"
Which is 100% true no cap
Johnny is the greatest fighting game character of all time. No bias ;). fucking love johnny. Just grind the lab and be rewarded for it.
: ^ )
@@aganaom1712 see this guy gets it
4:10
"Again, me getting ducked. You love to see it."
I genuinely spat out some of my apple compote, that deadpan enthusiasm on the delivery made me laugh so hard!
"I know I'm godlike because I lose to godlike players"
I'm hoping that at some point LK will post a "Real Millia Highlights" video and either make it super memey, or post full vods.
The whole video is just him getting his ass beat
Johnny’s honestly kinda fun to play
I'm ready to watch Omito and Kv clips with LK. Hopefully I figure out some more notable Johnny players
Cant wait to see this in gloripus strive quality
Shoutout to the headset.
Oh shit new outro for lk. im liking it
i love it when im watching my fav show n my past self makes a cameo 👌
New outro screen clean af.
new generation of players always complain and ask for patches and spread enough propaganda to deter a competitive community, adapt or play another game lol... love the high tier play as the ceiling of the game becomes uncapped, nonetheless a skilled mid tier player can produce those results but have to have tremendous patience and is rewarded in so many ways outside of the particular game itself... it's called fundamentals lol, you get put in an unfavourable situation and blame the characters
Thank you! I don't think Johnny is as hard as people big him up to be either. He kinda reminds me of Naoto players from Blazblue who legit talk about him like he's as hard as Rachel, Carl or Izanami when they've gotta fundamentally think about the game differently than everybody else while he's a Shoto with good tools who can add microdashes to make them even better.
Johnny is fundamentally a good character who has to manage a resource, but he's got some of the best buttons in the game, confirms for days, he can anti zone, has some of the best snowball potential in the game, and he can bait bursts with most of his combos. Y'all will survive some execution, I'm not praising anybody for going into training mode everybody has to in GG Xrd. But I have some bias against that whole execution = difficult mindset, like it reduces difficulty into how well can you tap some buttons and feels boomer as hell about games where execution isn't the be all end all of the game.
johnny mad good
I want +r Johnny in Strive, not Xrd. Xrd is stronger but +r is just cooler
Iirc correctly he can throw the coin upward right? I don't play much +r (just recently bought it)
@@najeebrazuck2912 he can do that in both
@@DragynFyre12 oh really, that's cool
Same
Called it
"SOMEBODIES GETTTTTTIIIIIING FUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED"!
Hearing lk swear is so surreal for some reason
when people tell you they miss rev2 remember this is what they're praising
I miss playing 4r5 back at old Xanadu :(
Can't wait til he get to Raven highlights, the Raven highlights video is big memes.
Sad there wasn't any 2H otg mrc throw resets. Those shits are funny
Homie-to goin ham
LK is scared to look at the millia video cus he knows he's probably in it.
This is CZcams interaction
Next is Sin or Bedman 😈
Johnny is hype in AC but in Xrd he lost some sauce
True, the bounce effect of lvl2 mist finer, aerial killer joker FRC restoring air options and how in +R coin can be tossed above.
I'm still a noob with him but i miss how his combos were so cool and stylish in accent core.
havent the video yet, if LK hating on im gonna be real pissed lool
Why do you say Millia is bad in Rev2.0? She's definitely godlike in Rev2.1, and the only notable changes I saw were the Bad Moon changes (Which I honestly don't even know what they do), the fact that 6P could go into 5H, and the fact that roll can pick up pin, which is admittedly a pretty huge change.
it's the roll change he's talking about yeah
Roll pick up is qol and nice for sure, but the biggest change is BM kd. It makes it so they can't lazily burst you away from pin, meaning they have to be scared of getting hit.
In 2.0 she had counter measures vs bursting pin, but once they did that her effective damage/implied threat of hit went down a lot since she couldn't convert air hits into kd (her win con)
@@LordKnightfgc Was the KD even worse in 2.0? I thought she only got the BM knockdown off of specific corner hits, basically, because it’s a weird height specific version of the move
didn't exist in 2.0 except off tk
💰
What are Jhonny's weakness back then?
You can sorta snowball him if you either start your pressure first before he levels up or if he runs out of coins before he himself starts to snowball. Thats kind of it.
Worse movement options than alot of the cast and long recovery on his moves that Slayer and the like could punish. But these were things a good johnny could work around.
Man ….Johnny, Dizzy, Elphelt, Slayer…where art thou??!!!
Ah yes coins
honestly, johnny feels exactly one step above Leo re: cool factor
Shame we don't have this fun in Strive. Hoping they add rollback to Xrd one day
:)
This vid is the “McDonalds” to your normal “steak house” type content. Still informative ngl and it also makes me hype (or not hype lol) for future iterations of the characters you’re analyzing. Good shit bro.
No Johnny, no Elph? Strive confirmed better than Xrd...