Face The Nation | Former Western Cape Judge President, Dr John Hlophe seconded to serve on the JSC
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- Talking to Advocate Glynnis Breytenbach of the DA about the nomination of Dr John Hlophe to the JSC
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If we were to use moral conducts as a benchmark for acquiring positions in the parliament? We can then say, Ramaphosa is not supposed to be a president of South Africa due to Phalaphala gross misconduct. Zizi Kodwa is not supposed to be in parliament due to the corruption case that is above on his head. We should be using the same moral standards for all. So hands off Dr John Hlophe.
Even Gayton because he’s a convicted criminal but he’s been appointed minister
You nailed it
Ramaphosa has not been found guilty though so you’re post is irrelevant
@@rockpoppets6182it is because he was protected by an incompetent aspiring public protector which was a compromised position. She wanted to be confirmed into the position whilst protecting Ramaphosa. So it doesn't matter. Ramaphosa accepted that that was his money hidden what else would you want.
@@rockpoppets6182 because they stopped it from going to court, they know Ramaphosa has a serious case to answer and it's not one that won't implicate him in a crime
DA protect constitution on Judge Dr Hhlophe's impingement but they sign against the same constitution by promising to not vote against Ramaphalaphala.
Real madness by the DA there hahahaha
Hlophe is going to the JSC the DA must respect that
This isn't about politics, it has to do with his integrity which is an essential requirement for the job. He has been proved to have zero.
@@marysinclair3759 Just for saying "sesithembele kinina" to his colegues.
DA must forget...salute to the son of the soil
@@marysinclair3759 ethics 😂😂😂😂people who hire racist and matric less people 😂😂😂talking about ethics
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Hands off to dr hlophe
the hate of Dr Hlophe by this woman is amazing she cannot even hide it.
She’s right there is no shame here he should do the right thing and step down
@@rockpoppets6182 she must tell Apartheid people to stop coming to parliament...
@@rockpoppets6182😂😂it’s either you like it or not..Dr hlophe understands laws more than any member of DA
@@rockpoppets6182will she do the same for her 2012 NPA report ? 😮
@@rockpoppets6182 tell RAMAPHOSA TO STEP DOWN
This woman Nd da DA think we are stupid though 🤣🤣
South Africa’s basic foundation itself is not based on ethics and morality. We absorbed the judges, police officers, soldiers even the president of cruel authoritarian regime into our new democratic government. People literally got away with murder and today we are told about ethics and morality just because the judge was impeached for political reasons. Let Dr Hlope serve his country and his people…our democracy is still maturing. One day both sides will be equal satisfied and equal dissatisfied but for now it’s this side vs that side…let it be…
Those who speak on their selective morality know exactly why things are the way they are…
He is not going there as a judge but as a politician. Nonetheless no rules stops him from representing parliament in the JSC.
You know Xulu. Why must we seat and discuss racism. Imagine we are discussing this nonsense because of racism. In fact, Mkhonto and EFF must formulate military wings to fight crime and form units to investigate white-collar crime and corruption if they are serious about transforming this country. What is clear to everyone is that, white people believe in racism. The only way to deal with this is total change. This nonsense of law is not working. This DA racism has caused ANC to perpetuate racism. This is about it. If you think the judiciary is serious look at the case of Senzo. purely nonsense.
he is a judge at heart, and a politician by designation
@@xuludumisani7470 he was found to be untrustworthy.. how is that going to change..
His profession is no longer that of judge position and the impeachment was for that portfolio as a judge. Indeed he's a politician and no one can do anything except advocate for change of the constitution.
We have people who violated the oath of office, worse they are members of parliament and serve in the executive but no one is making noise about it which clearly tells us about the problem with a disfigured constitution that is foreign to the aborigines of this land!
@@mossfairy3060 the trouble is the very same parliament is led by mafias and they are even serving in the executive. Worse the same organizations signed an agreement to protect their alliance on the basis of power including the disgust or hate of these people narrated by the elite.
The only time they can hold themselves accountable is when they review all legislations including the ability for civil rights organizations to hold all executives of government accountable but knowing the bias of these hired institutions have eyes for were their interests lies not because they seek to protect the nation in total.
These people will never challenge government and private sector regarding colluding in ensuring that people have services in the basis of unfair treatment to the nation in particular using race color who remains under the foundation of a controlled system of poverty by the owners of economy. These are things I wonder why is it so 🤔
They are in spain but the "s" is silent
He is the best candidate for this job
The is no debate here, Hlope is legally appointed there as a politician not as a judge, end of story...
I don't know this noise about Hlophe he will be there as a politician. President Matamela Ramaphosa will be appointing the judges not Hlophe. So the DA and everyone who's against this must sit down and be quiet.
Hlophe is the suitable candidate 🙌🙏❤️💯
White people are too comfortable in Africa
DA ifunani from Dr Hlophe??
Let's try accused President ramaphosa as a title
Not even a single DA member has 2 Masters qualifications 😅😅😅
DA is white colour only that rules not brains
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The deputy finance minister (DA) has a triple masters
And yet those in the ANC with their qualifications fail MISERABLY at their job????
You don't even need grade 2 why you have to have a logigly explanation why he doesn't belong in any kind of politics
Floyd said it best.There are members of the DA who have no qualifications or direction but are in the executive and we respect that.
Floyd doesn’t understand what an idiom is 😂😂😂
Why is your President John with grade 12 but we are not complaining because ppl has spoken
Exactly my thought sisi😂
Exactly my thought why why a grade 12 u minister wonke
And zuma with grade nothing? No academic qualifications required for Parliament, domkop!
@@nomagcisacawe3297at least he went to exile and fought for our so called freedom from a very young age. What has your baas john done?
Wat that has to do with impeachment 🤔..gross conduct ..wat is your point..totally out of context...Are u saying that if someone has a degree, they're given the right by parliament to sit in positions without having any moral and ethics..jst becos he has a degree 🤔.your comment is biased, not based on what is right or wrong.
He is perfect as judge everyone has his skeleton live Dr Hlophe no one is qualify like him
Can someone who was a criminal be appointed to a ministerial position, remember money is involved 🙊but I don't hear any noise 🙈hands off Honorable Dr. Hlope 🕺
@thecombo4946 Aren't those like the DA another who STOLE OUR LANDS AREN'T THEY CRIMINALS? BE HONEST! Look at the dutch land theft talking about criminality, she's forgets that's she's is guilty of land theft
Abàhambee gangster
Which criminal charge?
@@user-oy8xj4lr3g what made him an exconvict Spotsi minista
@@user-oy8xj4lr3gGayton
DA is dreaming Hlophe is going nowhere
JZ teaching haters how to lead
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Sesithembele kuwena Thumbeza🙌🏿💚🖤💚🖤
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yebo yessss....sesithembele kuwe bab Hlophe 😂
Haha kodwa le Comment 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Phrase yezinkulumo😂😂😂
Lead the JSC DR HLOPHE halala..🎉
Dr Hlophe is shaking them lol thank you MK
The majority of our members of parliament are all compromised.
We use corrupt former ministres, deputy ministres who were found guilty on different occasion.
The Da argument is full of jealousy.
We have Amelia’s Gigaba who is badly tainted even the ex wife had an hour interview about the bags of money exchanging hands. Nomvula who was at Zondo
Cameloons we are to deal with DANC an PA😂😂😂
This people makes the laws as they go along and level of hatred is amazing 😮😮😮😮
Haibo don't make it a case of hate... What reason does she have to hate the man???
We feel safe with Mr hlophe❤
Logogo uzosisabisa ngama NGO gwaza MK Dr Hlophe leader us in you we believe.
Crazy y'all. DR Hlophe is the best man for a job
He's a racist arrogant corrupt comrade .. .off he goes
Yes he has PHD in law, he did it in overseas. So DA must chill
@@user-ce4dm8wy2u he was trained by a colonial master and went to a colonial university ..but wants a african laws 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Exactly. People are playing politics even where they are not supposed to.
He will be president of this country 2029
Madala ole tshwere ka di-saka bafanas... "We have the best constitution in the world" Wale bontsha gore it is the best indeed.
Ramaphosa and his agents have captured everything in this country. Human rights lawyers, regulators and everyone in the country
We do not call him the chess master for nothing. He's not done with abelungu yet, that's why bakwatile so.
From PAARL in the Western Cape and a PROUD Coloured Male. Former JUDGE-President of the Western Cape HIGH COURT with the Highest Qualifications in that JSC or even amongst all PARLIAMENTARIANS. Judge John Hlophe: PhD in Law with two Degrees, DOCTORATE and MASTERS in LAW
Morally bankrupt
Which positions has requirements for moral assets? 😂😂😂😂@rockpoppets6182
Education is no indication of a fit leadership!
@@grietjiephelps6172 Correctly 💯 so😂...But wasn't it the DA all along since the advent of Democratic South Africa 🇿🇦, preaching this narrative "Fit-for-purpose" and educational qualifications??? When everybody including the DA chastised JULIUS MALEMA regarding his Woodwork Subject in Grade 12, I was the one who was saying that even a woodwork Student can manufacturing the best built-in kitchen units, Lounge Tv units and even the knotty-pine ceilings....!!! And yes afterwards JULIUS MALEMA equiped himself to further his studies and achieved his BA Degree! So what changed now??? That we have highly Educated African Blacks and Coloureds on the forefront of politics? So why doesn't it matters now? By the way Law and the CONSTITUTION of the country cannot be argued on the basis of "MORALS, VALUES and ETHICAL LEADERSHIP" . Politicians all-over the World arent Pastors, Clergymen and women to point them the ETHICAL values of Politics. These guys are democratically elected by various masses of the Electorate and as such the DA much respect that if they see themselves as LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!!!
Hand off to Dr Hlophe 💚🖤
That's exactly what happened when Zuma became the president. Siting polical reasons. He became the president and now watch what is happening. He wants to become the president again and take over the government.
Ukuthathaphi lokho ?Isit a known fact or you opinion?
@@mphomangole3768 we would love that!
We don’t want corrupt people in office.
@@rockpoppets6182 you must go and read about the DA magistrate NPA 2012 report before you comment she s in Parliament. Tell me if you would feel the same after😂😂
There are handlers of these NGOs that are against Hlophe and we need to follow the money we will know and see who is paying them and whose interest are they serving
That’s why in some countries NGO’s are not allowed because they are used for wrong things even to overthrow governments
Its true
Uma kwehlula ukwemukela gibela umkhumbi ubuyele kwelakini
The arrogance of the DA wanting to.dictate who the MK chooses.
His impeached his got no moral he should not be hired anywhere and taxpayers must pay for this crap
The MK IS PATHETIC
His not a JUDGE HIS IMPEACHED
For what exactly?@@chantaljohnson7335
Udakiwe awu saze Sasha belungu uyophela nini u 5 years@@chantaljohnson7335
Jong Hlophe se ya modumela setulo
Clement you are doing a great job my brother
Is he going to JSC as a judge or a MKP member of parliament? What is the criteria to be appointed to JSC? I thought one have to be a member of parliament. Maybe the other thing, Is Dr Hlophe in parliament as an impeached judge or a member of MKP parliament? Am an outside though!
ANC voted against the investigation of Ramaphosa and the DA is willing to defend him.
Gross misconduct????Haw alikho iqiniso emhlabeni!!
Is the DA the right people?
I don't think so, if people don't see their motion now they probably won't.these guys are nothing but wanting to cause nonsense scenes in parliament
DA should start with Ramaphosa
Leave Dr John Hlophe alone. We wants competent people to represent us in the parliament. Dr John Hlophe is the competent person to be put on JSC position.
When you are removed from the Bench its means you are tainted. We spend time and resources beating about the bush. When will wrong be wrong. This man should be embarrassed to even show his face let alone serve on the same office that removed him. What is the definition of insanity...
How can he be competent because he supports greed and corruption he supposed to be in jail he does respect the rule of law justice and democracy he is I disgrace to the law society
@@Joe90MCtell us who justify their actions of impeachment? There is no court of law which ruled against Hlophe. Which rule that said Hlophe is not allowed in parliament. Plz gogo white qoute the rule
Shes had her winter warming OBC for the evening 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If DA was using Moral and Ethics as measuring tools or Benchmarks, they wouldn't have gone to Bed with the ANC in the 1st place, as they made it crystal clear that they would never work with mediocre & Criminal ANC, and their Electoral Campaigns were clearly stated that they got into Multi-Parties forum with other small parties like Actions SA with the mandate to Remove ANC from Power, yet the very same DA unashamedly got into bed with those same alleged Criminals "ANC" just because they wanted Executive- Positions, while Parties like Actions SA are left in the Dark...besides they called president Ramaphosa a failure and law breaker when it comes to Phalaphala but sadly they change their tune in supporting his Presidential candidacy against all odds... Clearly DA has No Shame, neither Moral nor Ethics!!!
Therefore, they should allow Dr John Hlophe to peacefully serve & boost the JSC with his experience, knowledge and expertise.
Not long ago before government was announced, they suggested that the outgoing government was too bloated and they advocated to downsize the GNU Government, yet they wanted 12 Portfolios including 12 Deputies to themselves, just because it suits them to partake into cake-sharing, they are now comfortably quiet serving into the most Bloated Government that SA never had since the dawn of Democracy in 1994.
Such double standards can not be justified!!!
So where are DA Morals and Ethics???
Why now on Dr Hlophe's matter???
Please DA, let's us be Consistent instead of changing stances depending on who you are dealing with.
Tata Madiba said, i quote:
"if a man/woman changes his/her stance depending on who he/she is dealing with, such a person can not lead a Nation "
Infact they must not therefore allow Hlophe to JSC,they don't have that right to allow or disallow him , the Parliament with it's rules and the constitution of the land allows him
They said they will not vote against Pres Rmaphosa on phalaphala scandal which is an ethical question
So true
@@PapaG-ql6jm they want to be the gatekeeper yet they themselves don't play by the rules...
They are scared of Dr Hlophe because he more educated for that exact job
far true
He was found guilty and so should not be allowed in
Guilty of what if I may ask
@@rockpoppets6182 guilty of what exactly?
Guilty of what @@rockpoppets6182
The principle of legality says "you cannot make law as you go", Meaning you cannot formulate law when one person is before the law on a certain principle. So what Breytebach is saying really falls short. There's no law barring Dr. Hlophe from participating in the JSC, and such law cannot be made now, it becomes unlawful. Perhaps we can debate the "ethics" element on this matter, but not legality. And in my opinion, Hlophe is ethically qualified to seat on JSC by virtue of him being eligible to seat in the high seat of Parliament.
IF DA GOES TO COURT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO GNU MARRIAGE.
He is not going there as an impeached judge but as a member parliament. Futhi zonke iicomments zakho wena zidom...
Just as Gayton was not disqualified to be minister
We don't have problem with Hlophe he is doing his job
Why aren't you worried about Phalaphala scandal 🙄😒
@@aboobongani7727 It was not stolen money 🤑 from the South African citizens or VBS pensioners money that is the difference.😂😂😂😂😂
He is the man fir the job
Only fit as a law scholar qualified by international law schools.
Glynnis Breytenbach is a lower class professional than Thumbeza
Some people keep on saying Hlophe should do the ethical or right thing, if he doesn’t believe in his whole impeachment, certainly the right thing for him would be to avail himself to serve in JSC. What is ethical to one, might not be ethical to another person, it depends on certain groups interests ( think of inequalities and economic differences due to others benefiting from the gains of apartheid and see if ethics are seen by All from the same angle). The constitution is not a book written by Almighty creator of heavens and earth, it might be respected around the globe, but why can it not be legally changed within the parameters of the law? It makes provisions of amendments itself, which means it can be changed following specific processes. The reality is that there are South Africans who believe that the same constitution of their country is not addressing the injustices of the past. The question is, must they not talk about their views of challenging the status-quo? The comments just depend on which side of the table you are, in terms of life you are living. The reality is that some are happy with certain parts of the constitution and some are unhappy and it is not being an unconstitutional individual if you voice your opinion otherwise that is trying to silence people.
If the parliament was to agree in constitutionally addressing the “Hlophe issue” to avoid from happening in the future, would that be unconstitutional to add/amend the constitution because our constitution is respected globally?
Our constitution should work for us, not us working for it. It needs to address our realities not to please people out of South Africa at the expense of the voters who have not yet gained the freedom which they dream of in their country.
You are confusing content with process. A common mistake. If your laws reflect your particular ideology ( and like the USA, SA 's constitutional laws reflects post enlightenment views) then process will dominate values- because of the supposed autonomy of the individual, this , again, supposedly collectivised , but which is shaky ground.....and if you think a constitution is essentially a law maker in its own right, then that will not get you a passmark.Because constitutions demarcate boundaries. Every socialist state ,for example ,with a constitution shaped to further socialism will not be able to protect basic rights= because the individual has at its base no autonomy.
Wow wabeka kwezwakala . Kuyakhuthaza ukuzwa abantu abafana nawe and millions bekhuluma iqiniso abacindezeli abangathandi ukulizwa .Thank you for such powerfull comment.
Well said
You guys must accept Judge Hlophe, I note that the media is against him.Otherwise abanye must go bazilengise.Hypocrites,ezizinto ezino 10.mxm
😂😂😂lapho even bo Clement very clever blacks don't seem to understand what a state organ is. They can go read PAJA(Promotion of Adminstrative Justice Act) to get a definition of a State Organ. Members of the legislature such as Dr Hlophe aren't clothed with state authority which means they aren't state organs or functionaries. Those that want to go to court can go there bezozwa kahle what the courts have to say about separation of powers. Ukuqina kwabantu
Kakhulu SABC uchemile
Objective view by the Journalist 🎉❤
Hands off Dr John Hlophe
ayatatazela amasela, loma a kukhona into ayaziyo and asabayo ukuthi izovela uma u Dr Hlophe engena kwi JSC
Told he is not the only one appointing or interviewing then why it’s a big issue that makes Breytenburg so angry and emotional
But as I remember this is a man send to influence two judges to vote in favour of Zuma by Zuma which led to him being found guilty of gross misconduct by judicial conduct tribunal and JSc subsequently recommended for impeachment in terms of sec 177 and ANC and DA voted for his removal.
So is it ethical for a man who carry a record of dishonesty serve in the same body that declared him dishonest to validate other judges or safe guard the judicial conduct of other judges? 😂
Yeah seems the majority of replyers are living in kukuland. 😂. Funny but tragic, no wonder this country is going nowhere.
Haibo!!! Idrama, iconstitution iright only when it favours some but abanye kubhekwa amamorals nama ethics. Vuka muntu omnyama!!!
By that time they voted for Ramaphosa with Phala Phala Farmgate allegations they even wrote a letter to FBI these bloody racists and hypocrites ..odoti uqobo lwabo😂😂
We are aware but that’s why ngimzonda umlungu
DA is not happy about this because they know already time of openharmus puppet is end
The same Glynnis does not have an unquestionable past but she is FIT to sit in different commissions? Please.
Yes that NPA report 😂
Akeninake ezenu DA niyeke uDr
umama lowu unenkinga yenzondo nomona
The labelling of Dr Hlophe "impeached" is so ironic itself.
You should retire gogo and leave Dr Hlophe alone, usukhulile
@@nomagcisacawe3297but Dr Hlophe looks younger than this gogo 😂😂
So the majority members of parliament from different political parties voted for Dr Hlophe to be in JSC, dat real democracy, let de will of de representitive prevail
Hands off Dr Hlophe
Highly educated Hlope
Educated and corrupt.
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ub not even single member of DA has masters just racism is their qualification
@@ProcaviaCapensis-ts8ubcorupt for what
Which court found Dr John Hlophe guilty except this JSC of haters?
@@mzawuthethinzimande391 Read the news.
who said we want him out, we are happy with Dr Hlophe...
There is no will of the people, it is the will of the criminals, period!
Ur a criminal yoself
Thumbeza is going nowhere they must accept that and drink cold water 😒😒😒
DA must chill bro and yall must also chill
They are scared of Dr hlope because he educated
Dr Hlophe our black excellence
Yes , black people look up to corruption.
It is sad to discover there are people that is taking unethical people as their role model 😢
@@grietjiephelps6172 nonsense. Are you ethical? Do you even understand the meaning of the word ethics.
@grietjiephelps6unethical according to who?172
@@donaldchikudo1521 you do not know me - your opinion of me does not matter. But people elected to represent me - their character DOES matter . I do NOT appreciate having a person with a history of unethical behavior placed in a role that is going to impact MY life.
Whether they like it or not he is there 😅😅😅😅
What is it that they're afraid off😂😂 let MP Judge Hlophe to serve as South Africans has voice out their wish through vote. It's not about DA neither ANC feelings but for Ordinary Cetizens so please begoff✊
I am in full support of his appointment because he was impeached because he was advocating taking a land without compensation and he explained which land the government can tate with immediate effects
How about labelling the minister of agriculture "with only matric"
Congratulations Dr J Hlophe Gwaza Mkhonto Gwaza 🖤💚🖤💚
Zuma is very smart yerrr n yes no political ethics or a law that prevent him from saving
Sebeyatatazela Jikijela Mkhonto Jikijela 💚🖤💚♟️
This woman just said that she's quite sure that by tomorrow some NGO will file some papers to challenge the appointment of Dr Mandlakayise John Hlophe to the JSC and i would have expected Clement to challenge her on that very peculiar statement 🫣
Hahaa.
SA media hardly challenges DA people especially when it comes to attacking consummate African professionals such as Professor Mandlakayise John Hlophe.
SA news media is a disgrace. It must be challenged at all material times for it's nefarious agendas directed at African persons.
So racists who called us Animalz less than 32years ago and didnt apologize want to LECTURE US about ETHICS... ya siyanyelwa la eNingzim
Yes we want and we will, wait and see 😂
@nathanagnew9167 you're sad... luckily your children don't share the same sentiments.... they'll acclimate with us and join our country az you wither away spewing swart gevaar
@@nathanagnew9167 😂😂😂white people will never rule south africa 😂😂😂soon we will show you as mk and eff and udm
They're still calling us animals
Mmusi refered to Dr Hlophe as Judge, repeatedly. I wonder why.
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
Dr. Hlophe not impeached judge
THE SOONER YOU GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD, THE BETTER...
They trying by all means to tarnish him
John Steinhuisen, a minister with standard 9
Hands off Hlophe sithembele kuyena manje.❤❤
😂😂😂😂 sesithembele kuwe Doctor John Hlophe
DA is seating on those desks immorally and unethical... after the ecomonic oppression we suffered under their views... this real kills me.
😂lol the intro impeached Dr president😅 what is this Mr manyathela?
The DA hates Dr Hlophe for the political ideology from when Zille was a Primer... MKP should whip DA for that #Hwiphi
I also want to be the minister of agriculture because I have matric like the president of DA
Zuma is too clever than the whole DA,ANC cabinet so you won't reach his level
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We must be clear here. Hlophe was found guilty by JCT(judicial conduct committee) that committee comprises of judges only. Hlophe is elected to JSC, which conducts interviews for judges. He is there as a politician, deployed by his party. Don't confuse the two
This is clear indication that apartheid never ends. hands of Dr Hlophe
Zondo refused to recuse himself.....nje.
We need a new changes and now it's time for SA to bring Dr Hlophe to represent his party ❤💚❤️💚
The former Deputy Judge is illegible to serve in the JSC. He is an MP and thus represents his pary.
What makes Breytenberg upset and emotional?
What about Mr phalapha
DA makes the rules and the rules are DA. The rich rule and even the illogical case against Hlope is advocate to create a new truth