The Fall of the Aztec: FINALE
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NOTE: some of the citations are lazily formatted (page 176, Bernal Diaz) so yknow
Thanks to @MajoraZ on twitter, MajoraZ on Discord, etc for helping with these videos, without him none of this would have been possible. Check out the comment section for his extra clarifications and corrections, as well as the ones he did in past videos:
Past MajoraZ comments in this series:
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SPECIAL THANKS to Daniel Parada whose Aztec clothing studies formed the foundation of my mesoamerican cobbler characters! Check out his artstation here: daniel-parada....
Image Credits:
Scott and Stuart Gentling/The Amon Carter Museum (images taken from Carter online collection, One Reed Year Buddy Holly booklet, Photos taken at Imagined Realism exhibit, etc)
Daniel Parada/Zotzcomic/Kamazotz
TlatoaniCraft/TlatoaniMC
Angus Mcbride/Osprey Publishing
Jean Torton - Voyages D'Alix
Sopa de Sobre "El Itinerario de Hernán Cortés" animation
H.M. Herget
Jose Ignacio Redondo
Pierre Joubert
Adam Hook/Osprey Publishing
Luis Covarrubias
Ignacio Marquina
See Inside: An Aztec Town/Warwick publishing (exact artist unknown)
Mary Evans Picture Library/Edwin Mullan Collection
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Severino Baraldi
Charles Ricketts
Esad Ribic
Jesus Helguera
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Today, DJ Peach Cobbler concludes his series on the Fall of the Aztec Empire. The conventional narrative paints Cortes as Caesar and Montezuma as Bibillus, and this shall not stand. DJ Peach Cobbler with the invaluable assistance of modern academics (and MajoraZ) presents a revised and measured retelling of the story that used to go, "Guns, Germs, Steel".
I helped Cobbler with Mesoamerican info and resources for these videos, but quite a lot got cut out or didn't make it in (albiet moreso the prior ones), so here's more info, corrections etc: Before I begin, if you haven't already, I recommend checking out the comments I left on the prior few videos (Cobbler links them in the description) for context on this comment: I still summarize some of that below before my new main points, but those prior ones go more in depth: Try not to be lazy and read them if you can!. The first and most major thing I want to expand on is the political dynamics which existed within the Aztec Empire, and which motivated different Mesoamerican kings, states, etc to do what they did during the events of the Cortes expedition. This will take up most of the comment.
Actually, I lied, firstly, to clarify on terminology: Cobbler explains that the broader ethnic group the Aztec belonged to is the Nahua... but the many Nahua groups (Mexica, Acolhua, Tepaneca, Tlaxcalteca, etc): viewed themselves as their group first, Nahua second, like Athenian vs Greek. The Mexica were the group which founded Tenochtitlan, and Cobbler generally uses "Aztec" to mean Mexica. Lastly, some states inside the Aztec Empire belonged to non-Nahua civilizations (Maya, Totonac, Zapotec, Mixtec, Otomi, Huastec, etc ones), and not all Nahua states in Mesoamerica were inside that Empire (like Tlaxcala). As mentioned in past comments and in this video: the Aztec Empire was militarily expansionist, but it was NOT a oppressive imperial regime It was more a network of quasi-to-formally independent states subservient to Tenochtitlan, or secondarily Texcoco, and Tlacopan. Conquered states mostly got left alone if they coughed up taxes, and some states even joined willingly to suck up for a political marriage to gain political influence themselves, to get better trade network access, etc. The states inside the core Valley of Mexico alongside Teno etc had particularly close political ties with the Mexica and benefitted from that, the tax influx it brought into the Valley, etc.
So, Aztec "control" was usually abstract, not concrete: There (mostly) weren't Mexica garrisons or governors around, just tax agents. A state stepping out of line would face political isolation and eventually an Aztec army to reconquer them, but MANY subjects refusing to respect Mexica rule could make the whole house of cards collapse. This was a real risk: Whenever an Aztec Emperor died, some border provinces would stop paying taxes and if the Mexica military response wasn't strong enough, more would secede. With this in mind, Moctezuma II's actions with Cortes make a lot more sense: Attacking him on entry would be cowardly, letting Cortes in is a flex both militarily, and to court him into becoming an ally or a subject by showing off the grandeur of the city. (it's a flex to OTHER Mesoamerican states that he's "collected" the Spanish). Again, past comments clarify on all this.
Now, let's look at the situation leading up to the siege:
1. Moctezuma II is dead;
2. Most of the city's nobles (and by extension, elite soldiers) were killed while unarmed during the Toxcatl massacre Alvarado preformed (video timestamp);
3. After escaping the city during La Noche Triste, the Conquistadors and Tlaxcalteca forces (keeping in mind the Conquistadors were a tiny force almost beaten by the Tlaxcalteca, who the Mexica in turn had turned into a punching bag for years) beat the encroaching Mexica army; 4. Tenochtitlan itself was now being ravaged by smallpox with half the city dead or dying.
Prior to all that, the only ally Cortes had which would participate in the siege was Tlaxcala, which as I said, was not an Aztec subject, but an enemy state the Mexica were at war with. That the rest of the sieging forces (from Texcoco, Huextozinco, Chalco, Iztapalapa, Xochimilco, etc) only joined Cortes's AFTER all that is very telling that their motivations were opportunistic, not out of resentment towards Mexica rule: All bar Huextozinco (which constantly flip-flopped between Aztec and Tlaxcaltec allegiances) were core states which benefitted from their ties to Tenochtitlan and the tax influx it brought, but now that influence meant little, Mexica military image was damaged, and taxes were not guaranteed. Texcoco did have a notable grievance with the Mexica, but it was a personal grudge: Ixtlilxochitl II was butthurt that a few years prior Cacama got Mexica approval, not him, during a successon dispute: Ixtlilxochitl II and his subjects sided with Cortes, but others in Texcoco did not. In short, while the Mexica were conquerors (and DID sometimes raze/massacre cities to make an example of them, but it wasn't their preference like say with the Mongols), Cortes didn't get allies due to them being hated as tyrannical overlords, or due to Cortes being a strategic mastermind tricking local states: Rather Cortes, the Governor of Cuba Diego Velázquez, Moctezuma II, Xicotencatl II of Tlaxcala, Ixtlilxochitl II of Texcoco, Xicomecoatl of Cempoala (I talked more about him in the part 1 comment) etc were ALL manipulating and playing one another to further their own interests and ambitions (Yes, even Tlaxcala at least to an extent, see part 1 with the Cholula massacre).
This sort of opportunistic scheming (A state pledging or allying themselves to another since those kept their indepedence anyways, in order to take out their existing captial or rival to then be in a higher position of influence in the new regime they help prop up) was SO common in Mesoamerica in fact that poetically, the Aztec Empire was founded almost exactly the same way 100 years prior: Cobbler mentions that Azcapotzalco (which was the dominant power in the Valley of Mexico, not all of Mesoamerica) was overthrown by Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, and Tlacopan, but the specific context for this (there's sadly a lot of juicy details, specific kings, events, etc I'm skipping) is that the Mexica, as subjects of Azcap., had grown famous conquering cities for them, was given a daughter of Tezozomoc (Azcap.'s king) , and when Tezozomoc died, one heir, Maxtla, assassinated the other and ticked off Tenochtitlan: With Azcap.'s influence destabilized, and Tenochtitlan having political claim from the marriage, it's conquests, etc, Texcoco and Tlacopan help it overthrow Azcapotzalco, wanting to piggyback off of Tenochtitlan's coup. Similarly, AFTER the fall of Tenochtitlan, other states unrelated to the Aztec would do the same ploy: The Zapotec kingdom of Tehuantepec did so against the Mixtec kingdom of Tututepec, the Iximche maya did so against the Kiche, etc.
What about Sacrifices? Sacrifices were a pan-mesoamerican practice every civilization in the region did: Mexica sacrifices happened at larger scales and specific beliefs/practices varied, but the general theological and political underpinnings behind it (to be clear, it was both: not purely political) were shared: The Tlaxcalteca, Mayas, Mixtec, etc did it too. And to remark on the Mexica's greater scale, even this is quite exaggerated: Cobbler brings this up, but I think doesn't make it clear that the recent Skull Rack excavations debunks Spanish estimates much more then it validates them. Andres de Tapia claimed the rack held 136,000 skulls, but the rack seems to have only held around 12,000, which likely represents years of deposits. There's still a fair amount of ambiguity, but the Mexica were very likely sacrificing 100s to 1000s per year (most were captured enemy soldiers, though some were women, children, etc, but NOT as taxes), not 10,000s or 100,000s.
Next, the obligatory question of image accuracy: While cobbler uses a lot more accurate images in this video then past ones, there's stuff I still have to correct: Throughout the video, Mesoamerican soldiers are shown almost naked aside from net-capes (which were real, but was worn by esteemed soldiers OUTSIDE of combat) wheras the actual armored gambeson vests/tunics, and fully body warsuits as see at 29:52, 37:17, 40:42, 36:38, etc are accurate, tho there's many more types then just that. Similarly, while Moctezuma II is (mostly, 10:50 , 11:02, 34:50 etc are inaccurate) shown accurately with a blue geometric cloak and fine jewelry, he didn't actually wear the green quetzal headdress. The grey, brown etc buildings seen at 34:43, 36:11, 36:13, 36:26, 28:00, etc are inaccurate: The buildings and palaces covered in smooth white stucco and painted murals like 25:42 13:13; 13:40 etc are accurate. and I think 42:17 is intentionally inaccurate all around? If I didn't mention it it's probably fine.
The last major point: The fall of Tenochtitlan does not mark the end of Aztec and other Mesoamerican civilizations: Across many cities, including in Mexico City, existing nobles and kings sometimes kept their status for decades, and some states (the maps shown at 36:24, 36:29, 40:04 etc only shows the Aztec Empire, and excludes the Purepecha Empire, Maya states, Metztitlan, Tututepec, Tlaxcala, and other non-Aztec states, See my prior comments) were not fully conquered for centuries. Nahuatl, many Mayan languages, Mixtec, Purepecha, etc still have native speakers and are living languages: Combined there's over 5+ million speakers of such languages in Mexico today, plus many in Guatemala, etc. These are not dead cultures even if very large aspects of the culture have obviously changed, and this would even be more true in the 18th and 17th centuries or in the decades after contact: Cobbler states Chimalpahin and Fernando Ixtlilxochitl were as much Spanish as Nahua, but I very much disagree with that: There were quite likely still Mesoamerican soldiers using Macuahuitl and Tlazhuiztli in campaigns with the Spanish (Tlaxcaltecas even participated in Spanish wars in the Philippines) when Chimalpahin was alive
And that's it... for now! I might reply below with even more.
More stuff/corrections to the above: In the image accuracy section, when I say accurate/inaccurate, I mean each thing: I didn't accidentally forget the "in" anywhere. I DID forget to talk about codice, though: Cobbler describes codices as Mesoamerican books, which approached a written language but wasn't quite one... This is sorta misleading (and I see some other commenters getting confused) so to clarify: A Codex or Codices is a general term for a few types of Medieval manuscripts, both in Mesoamerica, Europe, I assume Asia, etc. So not all Codices are Mesoamerican, but most Mesoamerican manuscripts are codices. Secondly, while the AZTEC script wasn't a true written language, other Mesoamerican scripts were "truer" writing systems, the Maya script especially outright being a full, true written language in the strictest sense of the term: It has both Hieroglyphic style logograms but also a full syllabary (IE a character for each spoken syllable in the language), and you can freeily mix or exclusively use one or the other.
Epi-Olmec and Zapotec are also either full written languages or sort of close to it (IIRC, Zapotec lacks prepositions or something) Teotihuacan is debated quite a bit if it's logogram based or something else. Aztec is mostly pictographic, so rather then even having logograms, it's mostly just images with a set of standard conventions that can be read if you know those conventions, but Aztec writing does have some phonetic glyphs and elements like rebuses. As an example, the Nahuatl suffix for "Place of" sounds similar to the word for "tooth", so some city-state name glyphs that end in that place of -tlan suffix have teeth on them: There's puns like that. Mixtec writing is even less phonetic then Aztec, AFAIK it\s pure pictography... We have surviving Aztec, Mixtec, and Maya codices, but presumbly the Zapotec and Teotihuacanos and other civilizations made them too. Paper actually shows up in Mesoamerica around the same time it does in China!
Thank you for the information
Listen, the info is amazing, but I’m not reading all that
@@ShapeWortho The video is 40+ minutes and you can't spend like 5 minutes reading a few paragraphs? 🤔
@@MajoraZ exactly
I apologize for saying that you were not making enough content after going "full time." This whole series was eye-opening and absolutely fascinating. God bless your autism.
Can't wait for what else is he going to make. Wish the best for his autism.
@@davgames2659 He started taking Xanax.
Press F in the chat for his autism.
Can't wait for next video to be next year becouse of this
Cortes: And then we took Montezuma hostage!
Reader: Oh so you took over his government.
Cortes: No, he still runs everything.
Reader: But you’re keeping him imprisoned?
Cortes: Not really, he goes hunting all the time.
Reader: But he’s at least scared of what you could do if he displeased you?
Cortes: I mean he put us next to the zoo exhibit so no.
Reader: Then how is this a hostage situation?
Cortes: Well I told him I was taking him hostage and according to our two untrained translators, one of whom is my property, he said “Nice.” and carried on.
It's just cartoonish how weird and downright stupid some of these, widely accepted works really are 😂
As he says in the video, the story is still being written...
Why can't people just accept that they don't know something 🤔
@@sarveshmunde9846I know your mom... all too well.
@@Vicus_of_Utrecht we all know her
oh boy time to watch 44 minutes of unfiltered insanity with a side of Aztec history at 6am
So based
Let's fuckin goooooooooo
Nothing better than that in the morning
Either at 6am or drunk is the only time acceptable to watch these videos
Omg its the water treatment object created for release and suppressing the flow of water in pipes, would you be so kind as to release the 3rd installment of the game known as, 50/50 mortality
I’m genuinely mad at how good this little series has been. The Aztec videos set a new standard for how historical content should be presented in long form, and literally no one outside a select group of weirdos who don’t mind that the presenter has a pie for a head and tells edgy jokes is going to care. It’s criminal.
Yeah, I don’t even like history all that much, but Cobbler’s insane production made me stay.
I honestly think DJ peach cobbler should be hired as a writer on a historical drama movie. The scenes where two characters talk to eachother are so good.
Right!? The whole bit with the monks and the codex was gripping
Dude is so tallanted.
He really deserves that 1 mil
Thank you for your honesty.
Imagine if Netflix had him write the Cleopatra movie lol
No, a producer. I want him to make the crusades.
Cobbler’s ability to write engaging and absorbing dialogue is genuinely frightening
It's the adderall.
@@distane8376 well then my doctor must be prescribing me weak shit because I want what he’s taking
It’s weird. I don’t click on any other videos like this type of content. I would normally not care at all about these topics, but he’s very good at keeping a story intriguing!
@@seenbefore2803he doesnt need adderall thats why it works like this 😂😂😂
Is it okay that DJ is now my favourite history CZcamsr?
I'd dare to say that it's based
This is a sad testament to YT historians.
Already have been that for me after the first Rome video
@@paweek5540 Id argue it's grand praise for Dj Peach Cobbler
@@paweek5540im not gonna lie... no. Dj is not devaluating his videos with pies and jokes, the information resides. He makes interesting points, especially about the narratives, which often arent the focus in yt history
"Polytheistic religions have this sort of built-in tolerance, which is why they're not around anymore." The simple brilliance of this line.
Hinduism. NeoPaganism.
Yes... Because modern society is definitely not one long gravy train of force-fed 'tolerance'.
No... Not at all...
I've literally never heard of tolerance in my life. It never comes up on social media.
Whattt a take.
@@theangryholmesian4556 hinduism, good point. same with shinoism. but i think you're glossing over the 'neo-' in neopaganism, there. there are no threads connecting the old pagan faiths with their modern 'counterparts' that weren't spun from Christian accounts.
The production value of this particular series is insane. Can hardly fathom how much passion and work goes into these videos. Pieces of art through and through.
Thank you Butcher of Travnik for making them
“bro a large golden anvil fell on montezuma’s head bro just trust me” -cortez
This is without doubt one of the most skilful, empathetic and talented documentary series I’ve ever watched. As a Brit who first visited Mexico City in 1999 and has been obsessed with Mexico ever since (which explains my wife from Mexico City who I married in 2003 :) ) I’ve seen so many stories about the fall of the Aztec described in all the banal accepted ways you describe. But I’ve never thought of the story in the way you so beautifully laid out. You’ve really made me think - and I’ll be watching this many times over the years. I honestly wish I could show a Spanish version to my Mexican in-laws. My wife’s grandfather died 2 years ago at 96 - he was a fluent Nahuatl speaker and wrote a dictionary on the language. He lived in Azcapotzalco and put a plaque on the wall of his house describing the history of the area. He would have absolutely loved this. We’ll done - truly superb.
This video made me realize that while I’ve seen a lot of period dramas set in Greece, Rome, and Egypt, I have yet to see one set in Ancient MesoAmerica. Hopefully these new understandings can finally produce a shoddy reconstruction of events with way more sex and drama than what actually happened, now on HBO. Thanks Peach Cobbler, for all you create
The story of Itzcoatl, which I hoped to include here but couldn't find space for, would make for an exceptional drama. Definitely a fun read on Wikipedia if you got the time
I'd be happy to see more inspired works that derive from Mesoamerican / Native American culture period. Video games in particular. I think they're a higher form of art than movies or a TV series.
@@DJPeachCobbler sounds like you got enough for another episode :)
@@DJPeachCobblerMake another episode !!!!
What this series should have taught you is to not consider the aztec to be "ancient" lul
Forget the Romans, I can’t stop thinking about the Aztec empire thrice a day. Thank you Cobbler for satisfying my blood thirsty hunger!
Time to rebuild Tenochtitlan!
For me it used to be the Romans, then the Aztecs, and now the Mongols. Hoping Cobbler will make an unhinged series on those guys eventually
Wow... this might just be the actual best historical analysis anyone has ever done of this event... and it was DJ Peach Cobbler- a gaming youtube turned amateur historian/crackpot intellectual who did it. This is the most touching recounting of history I have ever experienced... I think this man could change the world, at least popular understanding of the past. I don't think the influence this man could have should be discounted at all just because he's a youtube and not a college professor with a PHD. This could be the start of youtube and CZcamsrs being respected for having the potential to actually be vaunted intellectuals.
You missed me ar CZcamsrs could be valued intellects, djpeachcobbler sure but the average youtuber probably cant even tie theur own shoes
It's kind of sad most History CZcamsrs only really cover Europe and sometimes Egypt.
Three almost-hour long videos about the Aztec of all people is an amazing thing to find.
And being told by a sentient peach cobbler?! Bravo mr DJ, Bravo!
God I hope that isn't true. Anyway Fall of Civilizations has a pretty cool video series too that might be interesting for you.
@@batuhanulker5814 Yeah actually you know you're right, I take that part back. djpeachcobbler is hella poggers tho. I just wanted to try and throw something profound out there. This series really touched my damn heart.
@@Swarmfan21 I'll check it out man, thank you.
Hey cobbler, you have no idea the shit day i’ve been having. the happiness i’ve just felt after seeing that you uploaded is indescribable. i needed these 45 minutes of pure distraction. thank you 🙏
Came for the gaming content , stayed for the history content . Keep em coming mr cobbler
Came for the autism.
Stayed for the autism.
Keep it cobblen autism.
Cobbler I started watching you on a whim enraptured by your strange humor and approach to content on this platform. I thought your critical underlying to vastly unserious discussion refreshing and insightful. For a while I admit I thought you would never be able to make a video as inspiring, educational, or profound as your discussion of why you weren't going to review Far Cry 6. But then you started talking about Rome, with the same odd humorous yet intellectual approach as before. You framed characters I had a passing interest into as remarkably real and palpable. You put even my favorite history teachers to shame with how you were able to explain with consistency, with precision, and with comedy how these people thought, acted, and changed the world. So I rescinded my opinion on you. Seeing you now as a more refined creator, one who's greatest contribution was their multi-parted discussion of Roman history and its importance to my life. Then you did it again. A RIVETING explanation of history I didn't care about. A time I had heard explained to me over and over again now detailed with such scathing criticism towards its reflections to today and such attention to all the things the people of today ignore that I found it more interesting than all other videos on this platform. You started as a comical but nonetheless insightful commentator on media I enjoy. Now I can confidently call you an artist. Thank you forreminding me what we are all capable of. I hold nothing but optimism for what your future content will be.
Damn bro turned on
@AC-hj9tv bro was in his feels
Watching a dj peach cobbler video when I should really be looking for a job
Watching it *while* on the job, with my boss.
@@l.e.b.3541 Damn what do you do for work?
@@ishanator3819Probably not much if they're not watching it on break
This is without a doubt the best content DJ has put out so far. As he mentioned in a Rome video, history is a great place to learn lessons without having the modern political bullshit involved and his ability to put that idea into fruition is so well done. The utter emotion I felt throughout this entire project is unreal. Especially at the end with his quote from 1984. Being able to sum it all up that easily in how this narrative came to be and why this story is so complicated is a beautiful way to end this series. Cobbler has quickly risen up to become my favorite history CZcamsr and I am so glad he includes his sources so I can further my understanding as well. Looking forward to the next schitzo history rant
Yup, totally agree
You just have to deal with pre-modern bullshit-- which is arguably preferable.
Nah. His piece on Scorn was the point I was shocked. These are intense and I will always watch, but that one - that one encompassed things I've been trying to articulate to people for a decade but lacked the ability to do so. It altered my diet for the better. How often can someone say that?
Just wish to convey a standing applause for your efforts on this one Peach.
It is frankly amazing how Mr Cobbler can not only educate but invoke such a great amount of emotion in his videos that pretty much boil down to elaborate shitposts. I love it.
“He died like a lawyer. On a pile of money and lies.” What a quote.
Without @MajoraZ twitter.com/majora__z?lang=en none of this would have been possible, so please check him out (it’s very different stuff but might be your bag idk)
first
(also please let me know if you're gonna continue working on your series about [potential] alien encounters, your video about the dude in new jersey still holds up and is one of my all-time faves)
Amazing job my ginger friend. Next time you come to Italy, consider yourself my guest.
Next what? Events that took late 18th France to The Terror ?! Lots of "opportunities" for your usual parallelism on current situation imaright? xD
Shit man, if people are gonna throw out suggestions. A video about the rise and betrayal of the knights Templar would be pretty kick ass
Sir, I thank you. This sublime madness you've put out for the world has, if nothing else, touched me deeply. I'll be honest. I came for Catholic dunking ammunition and a fun South American history lesson. I walked away in a mental stur. Your style of presentation clicks with how my mind works and my general sense of humor, but your commentary was a drip feed of sobering contemplations. You spoon-fed me an anxiety attack, you bastard. What's worse, you had the audacity to make it delicious. I hope you go stale, you, blood-sugar spiking, migraine. I'm off to watch the whole thing over again another six times.
@@andrewdestefano4143That sounds incredible ❤
Let's fucking gooooooooooo, for every new DJ cobbler vid my suicidal behaviour increases ten fold, what a great guy, praise the cobbler eat the rich, we live in a terrible abyss and there is not escape there is no escape there is no escape there is no escape there is no escape there is no escape there is no escape there is no escape
youtube asked me for feedback on your comment. i said it was excellent, informative, and relatable.
@@VioletOrbWeaverbased
God bro I will never understand how you have the sheer, unadulterated gall to be both incredibly well spoken, and completely schizoid. It's amazing.
The conversation between Sahagun and Sequera goes hard, man. As someone interested in ancient and dying cultures and languages, it hits especially hard.
This is possibly the greatest series of videos you have ever done, and I am flat convinced this series NEEDS to be shown to teenagers in high school to imprint upon them the human NEED to embellish stories, rewrite history, and spread propaganda for their own end, and how they can tell when that is happening. As fascinating as the story of central America and the Spanish is, honestly your intense focus on the NEED for absolute historical accuracy and reading between the lines of human intent and the embellishments it creates is.... well, far more valuable, in my opinion. Thank you sir, this has been a wild ride, and I can happily say that my life has been changed for the better because of it.
So you're telling me, what was essentially the 15th century equivalent of Saul Goodman conquered Mexico? Yeah it all makes sense now
I glee-peed a little when I saw the finale in my feed. Mexican history is basically Game of Thrones en Español. Our succulent peach captured all the nuance, slathered it in context then gave us another visual feast to serve it up. Impeccable edit. Bravo, my fellow Texan!
Tf is a glee pee?
@@nathanchapin8445 Ever see a chihuahua or other useless tiny dog that pisses a little when it gets excited? Glee pee.
You have inspired me to become a better man and I hate you for how alone it has made me feel keep up the good work
As a descendent of indigenous Mesoamericans, this video was very moving and made me think of what it would've been like for my ancestors
What indigenious?
@@noahpallares8396 Lenca
@@noahpallares8396 Lenca
@@noahpallares8396 Lenca
The conversation between Sahagun and his superior was… powerful. Unironically moving. 5:25
That shirt was actually 🔥
I think what I like most about those videos is the narrative. You are not only telling about a history and about politics, but you are weaving it into a very captivating story about lies, truths, excuses and power. The final nail, the fact that Cortez studied what he studied, that it shaped how lived, how he wrote and how he died, and you left it at the end of an almost 3 hours of captivating storytelling with different threadsa all over. That is an example of an amazing quality that makes me come back to those videos and this channel.
Fall of Aztec empire is an interesting subject, that given more informatian, would be a fascinating well of stories about the human experiance, just like stories of Roman Empire or other prevoius and later empires that arose in meditarian basin, in Europe proper or other centers around the world. It is on one hand shame that it is mostly lost to modern people, but it is also a fascinating story about inner workings of Spanish empire itself. Thank you for presenting that story to me and many others. May your hands be unwashed and your chalks eaten for a long time.
This was incredible.
This series of videos from start to end have been a fascinating experience and by far, your best work.
You combine humour with education in such a seamless way, that learning becomes a thing to be enjoyed and savoured.
The visual aspect of your videos is simple but highly efficient and the use of angles and zooms in this entry in particular is quite remarkable.
The audio mixing and music selection, as always, is great, making the emotions felt from the story being told and the characters living in it more poignant.
And the script itself is fascinating, your way of talking about these events makes one laugh, think and sometimes wonder about how much of the history of the world has been lost so the already powerful could profit from it.
Your rants about history have inspired me (and most likely many others) to search for the truth of our past, hidden in between lines written by biased men of past times.
In summary, nicely done cobbler boy, you really showed those bug people who is boss.
Best regards, from Spain.
Feliz 12 de octubre - Día de la hispanidad.
Informative, fascinating, brutal, and sad. This series is about the most brilliant I’ve seen on this or any other platform. Thanks.
Thank you
"Those who control the present, control the past. Those who control the past, control the future."
I have not read 1984, but now I definitely will after hearing this. It sums up this entire series.
please dont
@@user-my9ez6gq5b
No?
Yeah, read it.
Well, I just finished reading it. I kinda fucking wish I didn't. This book is going to be seared into my mind forever now
It's a very good book, but it's also important to understand the bias of Orwell to really get the book
Can't forget that Montezuma also burned tons of his tribes history and of the previous leaders, then rewrote it all to place him, his family and people as the descendants and inheritors of the great old long gone tribe and civilaztion, him as a hero, and to legitimize his place and rule.
Didn't one of the aztec king also burned down the library to rewite the books during the 15th century?
Are you sure you're not thinking of Itzcoatl?
Sound like a Sunday for me
I'm going to have to check. I'm pretty sure it was Montezuma and it was literally a few years before the arrival of the Spanish.
Edit: It was his half brother, but at the behest of Montezuma.
I feel like this series not only expanded my understanding, but completely changed my view of "history" as a whole. And this, in turn, made me more capable of looking out for biases and overall a more attentive person on regards of what information I consume, including what I had already learned along life. I hope to be able to express how eye opening this was for me, because, what are we in this age other than information consooomers?
Thank you for such great content, looking forward for what comes next.
Just in time for an early morning coffee and some chainsmoking to really feel exactly where our Pie boy is coming from. Cobbler you are a more rigorous and insightful historical lecturer than any upper division history course I've had the displeasure of paying $200 a credit hour for.
We should make a club : "coffee, cigarette, cobbler"
Dude, this little series of yours turned one of my childhood historical favorites to a poignant almost depressing reminder of how brutal this world is and always will be.
10/10
I actually used the Florentine Codex in a research paper about psychedelic mushrooms in my psychopharmacology class this past summer, coolest source I've ever used.
What is the overlap between those two topics?
I can't wait to see what's next! Cobbler's insanity resonates so much with mine, a certified padded cell classic.
The meme of men thinking agout the roman empire at least once a day has been me with the Aztec since your first video on it, especially the way political differences around the idea of war shaping world history.
Such a big part of European/ Western historical dominance comes from the view of war as a system in which civilians are valid targets, and the goal is the complete destruction or enslavement of a population, not simply political subjugation. But because this definition of war was spread with the culture it is almost unimaginable to consider war as anything else.
This released just as I was about to head to bed, so I guess daddy Cobbler is telling me a story about human greed and avarice to fall asleep to. Comforting.
I wanted to say wtf but then i realized that a lot of bed time stories are filled with blood death and... other stuff!
Praying to the algorithm that your work reaches further, i keep rewatching this saga so much, it's so good
Why am I tearing up watching this?
Because it is tragic? Because it seems very human, yet makes you realize the futility of truth? Because the fucking pie-man-gaming-channel makes university level lectures +scizo jokes
I can feel that man... I honestly think it's a fair response. How tremendously the whole of humanity has suffered the greatest loss in the destruction of the Americas.
I tear it up no problem
Because the porn star is stuck maybe?
@@ishanator3819 Sorry, but the human sacrifices will stop.
I really hope Diaz, whatever realm he ended up in, if any, is happy someone read his oranges story and appreciates it for what it is. Especially the way Peach empathized with him about it, I don’t know about you but my ghost would be ecstatic to see someone empathize with me and “get it” 500 years after I died.
Mr. Cobbler, as an ardent enthusiast of history, I have recently been recommended to you by a co-worker. I am genuinely surprised by the depth and questions you bring to this subject. Historiography well done, researched, sources both old and new given due scrutiny without being blatantly thrown to the side. All this with great sound quality, funny goofs, and an omnipresent context that history deserves.
You have my thanks, my sub, and my likes.
I dream of one day writing or producing something with as much inspiration, passion, and quality as this. Bravo Mr. Cobbler.
I appreciate your restraint to not use the 'consul of rome' clip for that segment.
Also with the sheer emphasis on historiography makes you, unironically and sincerely, one of the best history youtubers on the platform. This isn't me saying this, this is my friends with doctorates saying this.
Barvo. Works of art such as this should be remembered forever.
Agreed
This series has been everything I hoped for and more. I hope you continue to make this incredibly interesting, funny, and informative content. And if not, that's ok, I still love your other content too
To quote star trek DS9, "You cannot just kill everyone who fights. True victory is to force your enemy to acknowledge your greatness, and to realize they were wrong to resist you in the first place, and then you only need to kill the necessary."
Gul Dukat, paraphrase of a 2 way conversation.
The best lies contain just enough truth to dispell critics. Every lie about the spanish and every lie about the aztecs is lined with just enough true that a person could rationally defend either position and not tell *explicit* lies.
Thank you for your awesome content Cobbler. I'm currently 38 days into my lifelong sobriety journey and badass content like this helps keep my mind off of BS
I'am from Brasil, and i have no idea of how much work would be needed to translate the subtitles to other languages, but would be great, because i need others to see this, is just great and deserves even more attention
These rule please make more, your take on history is amazing 😭 also love the use of the max pain OST ❤
these videos have been great. I really hate the normal internet discourse on the aztecs and the aztec conquest, which come pretty much entirely from people who haven't read any real sources on the matter. This was way more nuanced and comprehensive.
Another aspect of how people view this event nowadays is the whole "guns, germs, and steel" narrative, that completely falls apart when I actually read the sources. Diaz himself depicts the fights against the tlaxcalans, for example, as incredibly difficult - and all the battles from then on are mostly fought by natives. Other conquistadors talk of giving up their armor for the cotton armor of the natives as it was better suited for the climate, or making spears for the natives from melted down steel weapons and armor (and also commissioning bronze spears from natives). Even the idea that the spanish came, a bunch of natives joined them, and then they conquered the aztecs, is such a simplification of the events that it's practically just wrong - if you were to simplify it so much, it would be much more accurate to depict the spanish as joining a tlaxcaltec war and receiving tenochtitlan as a reward once the war ended. That's the other aspect - the native allies were not just subjects of the spanish aftewards - they were allies, only being absorbed as subjects much later when their population was essentially gone from disease. Not to mention that even all the violent conquests took the spanish and their allies much longer to complete than people realize - the last mayan city fell in 1697.
This was incredible, entertaining, and moving. Never before have I wept for the Aztec - felt sorry, sure - but never wept. This made me weep for them.
They weren't good guys, you know? They got conquered by a bunch of guys who were smarter than them and could really negotiate with mesoamericans at a degree far superior (not killing you in a altar) and give you wonders you never thought humans were capable to dominate.
The best part is that Hernan Cortez was a brute, no doubt, but if you compare the amount of natives that remain on central America or South America, you will see how english conquistadors were true monsters xD
Liking the set more in this one, think the contrast of lights and darks is a big improvement
This series has genuinely been excellent, I enjoyed it from start to end. Never felt dull, never felt uninterested, you made something which actually spoke to me on a deeper level than entrainment value alone.
You are the only CZcamsr I watch within 10mins of it coming out
Your combination of historical analysis and rank humor actually works .
Being from CaliforniA , I was taught Aztec history on many occasions from grade school thru college but your videos gave me an understanding of the aztec zeitgeist , something I never learned in the halls of
academia .
I was just watching a video about Doom 2016 and was wondering when you would finally drop this video right here. And right here you are!
It's crazy how the Aztecs were simultaneously terrifying and brutal, as well as super civilized (the tribute system).
Look at Vlad Dracula Tepesh
You're a fantastic storyteller, and an even better educator. Glad you make these videos.
The Spaniards said to the Aztecs: "I am not in the tribute business, I am in the empire business."
Ok this is literally my fourth time watching this trilogy. How can a glorified three hour history lesson be so captivating, well thought out, and rewatchable?
This is amazing, I love these videos because you can feel the passion behind them. It really is an art form, watching someone do something they're passionate about at such a high skill level.
Do you know the joy it brings me? The carnal pleasure that I experienced when I woke up this morning to find another wondrous video full of your malignant sputtering.
Between the historical nature, the ingracious nature and the hints of madness which seep through your words, I find the very nature of your existence to be a blessing you peachy ol fool.
In short, thank you for existing, your one of my favorites out heree dawg
I would just like to say to you Mr. Butcher Of Travnik, Scourge of the 3rd World.
My excitement for your next project is more than the excitement I have felt towards any other form of entertainment in the past 3 years. Its has been a great experience watching your channel grow and evolve over the last few years. It has brought me and countless others joy and inspiration.
Please don't ever reign in or restrict your ideas or ambitions to please or for gain, Pursue your passions, And make some crazy shit.
i think this series is further proof to just keep making the content you want to make man, amazing content
Second time watching through this series. It’s truly beautiful, on top of being hilarious, insightful, efficient…. One of the most impressive videos I’ve ever seen
Dude you have become my favorite CZcamsr with these kinds of projects. I read Bernal Diaz as well cause of you it was great. I’m a Brazilian so I like that you are trying to give such an accurate narrative on Latin American history, which I feel is a political minefield. You should do a video series on Dom Pedro II, he was literally the best possible monarch you could ask for, even though he had a super shitty childhood and personal life, was overthrown near the end of his life by corrupt army commanders and business men, and had to watch Brasil decay from afar im France, all to die and be buried with a little bit of soil he brought with him from brazil, because that was one of his wishes. And now most Brazilians only know lies about him fabricated by coffee barons so they could take advantage of a corrupt republic. Anyways, great video, continue the good work🙏🏼
Whats amazing is how the crazy cobbler managed to find actual transcripts of the historical conversations for him to voice act.
i feel so helpless about the fact that i can't share it with any of my friends or relatives. it is just so good, that i can't even comprehend with shit.
if only there was a lot more sources like this to more historycal events. i would fucking love to read some shit THAT good about other countries, something with that eager attempts at nonbias thinking on a russian history could be just awesome considering how much of it's history nowadays undergoes reinvention every single fucking year by everyone in and outside
You are unequivocally one of the best long-form content creators on this platform. I always come away from your videos with new perspectives that I may not otherwise have considered. Thank you for sharing your passion for history with us.
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I've touched some. 10/10, would recommend.
Thank you for making this. I remember reading Diaz's book in a humanities course in college, and a guest lecturer came in to talk about "the Black Legend" and how the Spanish were not that bad compared with the English, Dutch and French. Besides a couple obvious discrepancies in our discussion of The Conquest of New Spain, I didn't think much of it. This series has made me revisit that narrative, and the narratives of the other Spanish sources, in a way I never thought I would.
this series showed me that road to el dorado is basically diaz' account minus the real violence
I feel the need to thank you for not only this video but for all you make. The content you create is incredible and has no equivalent anywhere else. You are a true inspiration to me and I hope I can someday make anything even remotely as great as what you do on a regular basis.
44 mins of pure gold. let's go
Please make more of your beautifully candid and informational historical videos. You love it and it shows. I love it, so i watch.
I beg of you to do at least one video about the colonization of Brazil.
As a Brazilian, I feel I couldn't live without one of your deranged essays about the history of my people.
If translation were to be needed, well, I'm here.
You should consider doing a video like this on pizzaro and his conquest of the Incas. I think that story is just as, if not more fascinating than the fall of the Aztecs
"Polytheistic religions have a sort of built in tolerance...which is why they're not around anymore"
Absolutely golden lol
By far my favorite CZcams series of all. Love the work, the style, everything. Thank you for your work cobbler.
The conquistadores drowning due to being weighed down by gold is delicious irony
Brutal way to go but their corpes contaminated water so the aztecs winning by drowning spain soldiers and tlaxcaltecas was their demise cause probably dose same corpses contaminared the water suplly of Tenochtitlan and then Small pox started appearing in Mexicas but not Tlaxcaltecas
Absolutely incredible series. can I just say I appreciate the detail of including the song "Les Folies d'Espagne" in those climactic moments
Looks like the mental hospital has internet again👍
Please, I beg for more. The outstanding the research and sheer depth that are in these videos, truly show that passion is truly there. Of course, I want more, but please don't go forcing work you'll end up feeling dissatisfied with. Can't wait to see what's next butcher 🤙
Every time I read, listen and watch about Aztecs and Incas, a part of me dies.
Especially the Incas because the Spanish tried to eradicate their whole history like it was nothing. Shit was dystopic af
Bravo, man. This was a hell of a series. The accomplishments of the American Indians on both continents have been understated for so long, despite their amazing contributions to the Human story.
It's so nice to take a break from the world changing dynamics of two different cultures engaged in mortal struggle to listen to the Cobbs talk about the Spanish and the Aztecs.
Got recommended your smeldly butler video loved it and couldn't help but binge this series, how lucky for me to arrive just in time for the series end
I'm watching this at 4 a.m. let's go! Time to enjoy a man losing his sanity by the minute❤ love ya bud and ur content.
Aztec's did nothing wrong😂
The writing is so good. The mood is so good. Sprinkle in some daring humor and you have arrested me.
Always know a video will be great when it starts with an unrelated weird, but not at all obscure quote admitting to horrible crimes.
IM ON THE EDGE OF MY SEAT WAITING FOR THE NEXT THUMBNAIL CHANGE
I never gave it much thought to the idea of the “black legend” as it always sounded like Spanish right wing propaganda but the way you describe it as a tool for other empires to justify their own evil actions it’s brilliant! Of course the English would say those things and it makes total sense (in the most tragic way posible) that the Spanish made up a black legend of the Aztecs to justify their actions. I feel so deeply touch by this, but man if this is how it feels to have your perspective open I’m up for it