How to Fight with a Dagger
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Anthony came back to teach Brian and Jason how to wield a rondel dagger, because somehow they manage to hurt themselves less with that than they do with locks, whips, barrels, blocks of sealant, and countless other things.
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The Modern Rogue hey guys! I love the videos! Just a little niggle with this one, Rondels were used far before the 14th century. They acted as a last resort in close combat fighting, Knights would use them to jam into gaps in armor. They were used during the 10th century
The Modern Rogue you should do different knife fighting/defense techniques from other martial arts forms like krav maga, or jiu-jitsu(how to disarm someone in a knife fight is a good example)
The Modern Rogue do more jiu jitsu videos
Hey you guys should do a shaving episode with a straight razor
Sword fighting, dagger fighting, blowing up cars...
Up next by the Modern Rogue: how to overthrow a small government
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We need that tutorial right about now lol
This technique seems fitting for screwdrivers fight actually.
Well it's a piercing dagger so that's probably exactly what you'd want to do with a screwdriver fight
and a broken bottle knife fight!
You don't have any dagger or screwdriver tutorial in your channel so...
That’s exactly what this is an actual dagger like a sword would be closer to a knife style then this
Oh damn I wanna see some sort of movie fight scene with the opponent with an ice pick and the protagonist with a screwdriver, of course the protagonist wins
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"Level 30 Wizard is just around the corner"
I like Anthony.
Do a "How to be stealthy" episode. A la Solid Snake/ Classic ninja.
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Oh my gosh yesss
id buy a shirt that said "friends don't stab friends."
true friends stab you in the front
please catch the reference
@@obviouslyethan799 you mean they don't backstab you?
@@obviouslyethan799 BMTH
Thug : Do I look like your friend?
I fucking love this show. Modern Rogue.... just.... don't stop... please don't stop.
Maxificent yes
They are like edgy illegal vsauce
Replace 'show' with 'dick' and this is an ENTIRELY different comment.
Luis Oquendo xD
Luis Oquendo Goddamn it....
The main use of the rondel dagger was to grapple a heavily-armored opponent to the ground, get him on his back, then pound the dagger (like a chisel) through a gap in his armor, such as his eye hole, or at the gap at the neck. "Rondel" means "disk" or "plate," which is the thing at pommel end, and was designed to be flat so you could hammer the dagger in with your other hand, a tool, or by lying on top of it.
They had to use a rondel to defeat a fully armored knight because even a longsword is largely ineffective against full plate armor. You can bang on him all day and cause no damage. But full armor is so heavy that falling down poses a major problem, in that you can't get back up. [EDIT: Not easily, anyway!]
The rondel is not optimally designed to be a stand-up melee weapon.
Oh, wow- good info!
Which is also why the Rondel dagger was a knights weapon, not something you couldn't find from a common soldier, but mostly used by knights and people who actually had to fight in armour.
Full armour is not so heavy that falling down means you can't get back up, but everything else you said is true, the reason you wrestle him to the ground is to make it easier to stab him accurately and forcefully, assuming you are on top of him.
@@ModernRogue pls do on sabers and spears pls
@@Leo.23232 He never said someone in plate would be unable to get back up. I'm pretty sure he was implying you'd be on their back and keeping them down with your weight.
You gotta spar with the really big magic markers and fight with those so you can see your cuts on your opponent.
LoneWanderer360 that’s really smart
lol if you can focus through all of the marker fumes.
LoneWanderer360 we did that in elementary school back in the 90's we got in trouble for ruining the markers.
Spear some paint on the edge and you'll get about the same result (if you make sure there isn't enough to splatter)
Not gonna lie, in knife fighting classes we would get those fake rubber training knives and cover them with really watered down red paint, everyone wore a crappy white t-shirt, and we just went to town. The guy who looked the least dead at the end was the winner.
Always useful information on this channel. Never know when you're going to have to take someone out with a dagger.
The Nocturnal Alchemist true dat
had to fight a guy with a dagger last week. woulda been useful back then.
they swapped beards
ikr
I like your channel The Nocturnal Alchemist. Subscribed
Not sure how practical it would be, but could you maybe do a few episodes on the art of oration/speaking? Maybe find a professional speech writer or something to guide you through how to capture people's attention/sound like you know what you're talking about/perhaps charm your beloved?
All the episodes about nun-chucks and swords are fun and great, but some of the best episodes you folks have put out are the ones that can be applied to everyday lives so easily with minimal start-up costs(IE: Many of your episodes with the Beerists/Trever/Daniel that help day-drinkers be more classy when they get hammered). Just another idea for you to put in the queue: I like to think many people would love the idea of learning how to command attention at the bar, stick out among their peers in work/school, or simply seem a bit more well-spoken.
TehAdrenalinePickle hey maybe you ought to check Brian's other channel Scam School. He has taught a lot there and I'm pretty sure he has many things about sticking out among peers. They have almost everything.
I know all about Scam School- been subscribed for the past couple years and I don't regret it- and it definitely covers how to stick out in a crowd, and many episodes incorporate a lot of science and psychology. What I'm thinking of is more being able to command a room or control a conversation, all the while knowing any sort of cues/buzz-words that might make you seem to be a charismatic person.
Hell, I wouldn't mind an episode on the Rogues learning how to give a damn fine public speech!
Firstly: YES PLEASE DO THIS SUGGESTION
Secondly: I feel it should be said that while there are benefits to learning from a professional speech writer, that's not the same thing as oration. As even an amateur orator, it's easy for me to convey a variety of feelings and emotions with what I read, but that has very little to do with my writing.
Just read the crowd by Gustav le bon if you want to learn in depth crowd psychology techniques, still used by governments world wide todat. he was the mentor of the crazy nazi fuck who pulled all that shit off.
Well they finally did it three years later
Hey, this guy again. I loved the last one with him :D
NOOOOO!!! Not Jason's majestic beard! The internet is in mourning this day.
Ah well, just get your daily servings of whiskey and it'll be back in no time!
It's like Brian stole some of it! Or... it just moved faces.
Nooooo goddamn, it was a good beard! It did nothing wrong and still it got cut.. These are dark times.
Well, if you wanna be cheered up....
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This guy looks like skallagrim
Jamie Knight that's what i thought
Jamie Knight ikr I thought it was him at the beginning last time and this time
End him rightly
I thought the same
Skallagrims a fucking punk doggin on my homie joerg
When I used to box, I noticed it’s always easier to wait for the opponent to strike, counter the strike, gain control then start doing damage. I won a fist fight this way as well. Watching these guys with daggers seems like that’s exactly how a dagger/knife fight would go, wait for them to strike, control that arm and go in for the damage. Also if everyone adopted this technique, nobody would strike first and hopefully at all anyways =)
What was said at the beginning about the messer sword is only partially true, while it is true that the hilt of a messer is built like that of a knife instead of that of a sword, it's not because back then carrying swords was illegal. In fact, in medieval Germany - where the messer originated from - it was actually outlawed to *not* carry a weapon.
There is a lot of mystery surrounding the messer, and especially why it co-existed with the falchion, a weapon practically the same, but with a sword handle instead of a knife handle. But people think that it has to do with guilds, and the rules thereof; if you had a sword guild, you could only make swords. But, if you had a knife guild, and just made the knife longer, suddenly you can make both knives and "swords". The German word messer also directly translates to knife
I highly recommend watching Shadiversity's video series on the falchion and messer, it's really interesting and provides a lot of commonly unknown information that's really quite awesome
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I heard some speculation that langesmessers being made with knife like grips was due to guild laws at the time. Sword makers made swords, knife makers made knives. The knife maker may just make very big knives..
I can't help but notice this guy is advising them to stand in a stance that opens up literally all of their torso. Just saying sticking with said scenarios the rest of the roleplaying they are all dead. This sucks guys. Research, research, and more freaking RESEARCH.
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You give them the opening so that you can control the opening. If you open your torso up, you know they will go for that opening.
@@mkultraification it is a big risk and could result poorly for your health. It is a bad ideal to underestimate your opponent. It takes one wrong move and you could be dead. Always guard your torso. Too many vital organs not too. Plus a dagger is meant for stealth and such combat would be a last resort.
do a parkour video!!!
YES
Omg yes that would be awesome.
Do you want dead rogues? Because this is how you get dead rogues.
Hey,if Matpat from GameLab can do it...
After you know how to use a dagger you want to learn how to quickly run through city? Sounds like you're preparing to murder someone.
*Dagger, Dagger, Dagger*
methinks there are critters in the comment section :-)
Gee, what gives you that idea?
The DC on that insight check was rather low, tbh
Still, it's great that just saying one word three times in a row can be an easy calling card for finding fellow Critters XD
Mushroom, mushroom!
"as swords get older they get longer"
Mini Meatwad
The Master Sword disproves this theory.
it's just evolution in action
It's just science
Yeah, you can't argue with science.
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This series is great, as a wanabe fantasy writer, this is gold. Thanks guys.
2:50 gotta love germans just like
Mann: no this meter long piece of metal isnt a sword its a knife
Guard: ...
Mann: ...
Mann: a Big Knife
"Senpai noticed me!"
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“Oh dear!”
😹 Brian is like an old grandma sometimes! He has his wimp days, but it doesn’t make him look weak, it makes him look adorable!
Cute and adorable but weak too
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Automatic: Hold the trigger, it fires until you're out of bullets.
Semi-Automatic: Press the trigger once, it fires one bullet.
Big difference.
8:00 : You could use that hand to block a counterattack... Or you could slap the man you just stabbed, real hard.
This is definitely for use against armored opponents. Don't forget the average person back then had very thick, rough clothes, or gambeson which is basically medieval Kevlar.
The thick rondel blades and ice pick grip were honestly necessary in order to pierce or chisel through armor and padding.
Today, this technique and style of blade is kinda silly. No one wears thick clothing, not even our modern winter gear is comparable to what people wore in the middle-ages. Today, a regular grip on a smaller but sharper blade is MUCH more effective against unarmored foes.
In the time a person can land one of these big, downward ice pick grip blows, even a novice can stab you 10 times in the gut in just a few seconds, or slash your arms and wrists open if you try to push them. You can be much more aggressive with a standard grip too, and accurate.
It's not the art, it's the practitioner
Those downward ice pick grip blows aren't slow. it's certainly easily punishable or defended, but they definitely weren't slow that a novice can stab you ten times as you say.
I'm a martial artist with over 12 years experience and in those 12 years I did Krav Maga. In Krav Maga we did knife fighting and it was similar to rondel fighting, one of the few differences was where the instructed in the video was being super picky on the technique being hyper precise and perfect my teacher emphasized on always thinking on the go so where one of them would lock the other up and get them to the ground that was good because from that position you could either dispatch your opponent or run and flee. All things considered this was an amazing video
Will there be a chance we're you and Brian would fight with all of the tactics you learned. Like the bull whip, knife throwing, Long swords and stuff like that. (Not fighting like killing or hitting but like who can throw better or who can disarm the other one maybe wearing protective gear and if you do wanna "duel" like use fencing gear). Just a cool video idea. I love your content so much!
2:53 No, Brian. Mechanical differences in how something operates is not the same as what they were describing where "big knife does not equal sword because reasons". It's not semantics. It's mechanics. And yes, that includes bump stocks. Not the same as fully automatic.
(Not a political statement. This is a statement from someone who just graduated with a mechanical engineering degree and doesn't like it when people I enjoy watching spreading what, in my opinion, are mis-characterizations of things in the field I've been studying for the past 5+ years. Also, potentially entering a job designing firearms.)
Just figured I'd throw this out there in case you read comments from a year and a half old video XD
Hey look i'll continue the trend of late replies by saying that I largely agree with the bump stock conclusion you've drawn, but a sword being slightly shorter with a different pommel was simply their way of getting around the semantics of the law at that time. Lindybeige did a neat little video on the subject and the rise in popularity of the messer to fight the law that prohibited the carrying of swords.
They took advantage of the ambiguous definition of the sword and knife to be allowed to carry the messer, as it technically under the law was considered a knife whereas any layman would consider it a sword. They didn't carry the messer because it was mechanically different than a sword, they carried it for the opposite reason actually.
For this reason its definitely within scope to say that the messer being called a knife was simply a clever use of semantics to stick it to the law at the time.
To add a little bit to a very niche and technical topic, the knife/sword divide is not one easily distinguishable. Mostly it comes down to size, really. Functionally messers (the weapons discussed here) are swords. Messers may be single edged, but so are Katanas and Sabres, and we'd be hard pressed to find someone who would not consider them swords. Another point often made is that Messer hilt construction (handle scales riveted to tang) was different than what was commonly done with swords (tang inserted through handle and pommel and peened at the end). But, then again, other sword handles such as the kilij are built like messers and no one would consider them knives because of it.
It seems that the messer/sword divide stems from medieval guild laws, which separated sword guilds from knife guilds, giving them effective monopolies over the production of each article, and not weapon carrying laws. However, knife making techniques can be scaled to the size of swords, and knife guilds began to make them bigger and bigger, pushing the boundaries of regulations. Messers became popular (they were sought after by nobility and peasantry alike) weapons, and sword guilds and knife guilds had to compromise. Sword makers would often provide blades for knifemakers, for example.
In the end, messers and swords were just two different styles of swords, fit to personal user preferences. They may inherit the name "messer" from the bureaucratic nature of medieval guild laws, but, it doesn't make them anything less than a sword.
Modern Rogue just get the most awesome, nerdy people in to work with them - I love it! So glad I found you guys' channel - Amongst my favourites. You've really taken the spot that Mythbusters left for me back in the day.
Do an arnis/escrima/kali vid
It can work with so many weapons (ni weapon, staff, sticks, dagger, swords, etc.)
Matches quite well with the dagger fighting
A seriously needed episode for the Modern Rogue! Great job guys :)
thanks!
As a karateka, I can't help but see applications/extensions of gedan barai, soto uke, jodan age uke, hiki te etc. It's amazing how perspective/interpretation and application can transcend systems/"styles". Have you guys ever done a karate bunkai/kali/eskrima/Okinawan kobudo episode? New viewer/subscriber here. Keep up the good work.
I love seeing each of their strengths and and how they build one another up.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING MORE OF THIS
Please make more videos of just you two fighting. It's so entertaining to watch you fight against each other
It's sooo exhausting.
"I just slit my throat with my own dagger" LMAO
Glad I found this channel,
Keep up the good work!
Great episode guys! I'd love to see how they would handle unarmed vs armed. I'd also love to see Brian and Jason meet with a mentalist or something and learn to decipher body language and the signs of lying. Keep up the great work guys!
Hey Brian, who's that strange beard-less guy with you in the intro?
I first found you guys when I watched your video of how to flip a knife like a gentleman bastard, Time to go back to knifes :)
This is such a high quality show! It's hard to believe you guys don't have millions of views! Keep up the great work!
We're working on it. Help us spread the word?
i loved the longsword fighting and i love this video. i would love to see more.
Jason gives off a serial killer vibe when he shaves
You guys should try lost foam casting and spray paint hydro dipping
Daggers (and knives in general) -absolutely- have defensive capabilities, especially against an opponent who is also wielding a knife/dagger. The most common and effective being when it is gripped, point down, and used to stab. It forms a natural sort of 90 degree angle which you can catch with your blade and wrist, and use that momentum to manipulate your opponent's position, wrist lock them, and even perform a take down with them off-balance.
This makes me want to move to Austin, TX.
Jason is looking freaking awesome without the beard. Jason looks awesome either way but dang he's looking cool! You guys are great and now I know how to fight with a freakin dagger!
"The modern rogues attempts to hug each other"
I love HEMA and this is something I've always wanted to learn
love to see bladed daggers at some point too ! that fight at the end is perfect proof of how practice techniques will never translate directly (outside of tournaments, perhaps), and they're more a set of rudiments that can be applied and adapted to the situation. it's very similar to how improvisation in music works. all your different scales and modes, licks, rhythmic ideas etc. are tools that can be pulled from to fit the situation. but you have to adapt to what the other musicians around you do. and sometimes you'll end up somewhere unexpected and have to rely on feel (which is pretty much how much of these basic techniques you've internalised and can automatically apply to a situation). also, your playing techniques are so fundamental as you need to be able to keep control of your instrument when things go off script.
You should try out Sabre and messer techniques
14:32 A bromance is born.
It's been just over a year since we started and we're already getting to knife fights.
I love it.
These are my favourite episodes... enough said
Jason, YOUR BEARD!!!
Edit: Good god, it came back in the episode. Phew.
Parkour episode? The you two wouldn't just be weird guys with swords, You would be weird guys with swords that can do a flip from a skyscraper.
This video does a very good job of how to defend yourselves in the modern day and age with bladed weapons. very smart. This guy knows what he is doing
Very interesting topic! Definitely another good skill to keep in the rouges toolbox!
I hope there's outtakes for this one
As a Sikh, I really appreciate this episode
Did i miss them saying this was a Sikh style?!
There is no "Sikh" style, Sikhs aren't limited or have a specific fighting style. Whatever can help us defend those in need works fine.
I hope you get well!
If memory serves, Sikhs are legally allowed to wear a ceremonial sword on airplanes (at least in Canada) as it is a religious thing.
I feel like that's why "As a Sikh..." was incorporated into this comment?
Nah, it's just useful because Sikhs are nutjobs that run around killing people, confirmed info :v
Another great video, great job.
You two are the best on CZcams.
They traded beards
I love the videos with this guy!
I love this channel so much!!!
What the hell is a rogue without his daggers?
This gets me thinking.. y'all sould really do a video on Kali it's a Filipino close combat art (not saying because eastern makes it better) just so like you get a more rounded idea. Plus karambits are badass
Tucker Richardson Karambits are awesome
why would they learn bullshido?
The reason they used to bash with the pommel of dagger so much is simple - the system was designed around the idea of fighting an armoured opponent, and by bashing his face with a pommel you could either throw his helmet off, open its visor or hurt his actual face depending on what style of helm he's wearing.
Perfect instructor.
So the lesson here is: don't bring a Brushwood to a knife fight?
Messer is actually the german word for knife, but i think you say butter knife for a shorter knife and knife for longer? We call everything shorter than a sword messer, or dagger, if the grip looks like a sword :D
Sebastian Schachner we say butter knife for a dull kitchen knife usually used for spreading butter or cutting pancakes/ waffles/ Toast etc
Sebastian Schachner Fallschirmjäger Messer, the cool gravity knife for cutting free of tangled suspension lines
Learned that from Sallagrim I bet
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We deeply appreciate it.
OK that last fight in the duel was perfect. That is exactly how I would expect you two to fight. Also, Jason's fatality had me rolling on the floor.
POV: you watch 20 episodes of Vinland saga
Jason looks so strange without a beard.
I love how into it Brian is.
how did this channel, all of the sudden become the best channel?
The only way to fight with a dagger is to max out the sneak tree.
Don't forget to enchant all 5 pieces of armor with 20% chameleon.
That last fight was freakin' savage! If the Modern Rogues have no other plans, they are invited to my doomsday bunker (which has yet to be built.)
Very interesting, especially as I use a dagger occasionally when using Rapier. The biggest flaw, which I suppose comes in more lessons, is what if the opponent doesn't attack with an overhead ice pick move. It's all quite situational, and there's a reason knife attacks are done in a more traditional sword-like grip.
1:29 Berserk is an amazing series. I really want to see Anthony with a giant claymore now
Modern Rogue learns Krav Maga? Would be really cool to see!
Next month!
KRAV MAGA!
Wow, Skallagrim got skinny recently
YAY! More HEMA!
Great video. thank you.
I love this channel
Also, Brian follows my brother on twitter
Modern Rogue, you guys should practice archery with Master Archer Lars Andersen.
Lars is fake
Fie Sie Lars is a trick shooter, not a real historical archer. His bow is probably too low power
TheTimebroker Lars is a real archer. He's not fake he's just a trick shooter.
That duel was the best part of the dagger episode
Keep making these their great!
*Oh, dear!* I'm dead. 😅😅😅
Murphy! Where's the beard, dude?
Interesting to compare this to techniques in Arneis... You hold the dagger differently. With Arneis, you hold it hammerlike and you keep your wrist loose, unless you are using 2 daggers. You still want to aim for the wrist when blocking/countering. You can hit the enemy with the pommel as well
YESSSSS LONGSWORD EPISODE USED TO BE THE BEST, NOW WE GOT THIS WOOOOOOHOOO
The fuck happened to Jason's beautiful beard
I was doing homework, then i saw this was a thing, and said "this takes all the precedence." and dumped all of the stuff onto the floor.
you sir are going to be successful in life
to be fair, it was being done days before i would normally do it
(im assuming that was sarcasm.)
almost all of the super successful tech types dropped out of college to pursue a more important goal that ended up making them billions, so no i was not being sarcastic.
but i'm not saying get out of school right away either. (altho personally i am glad i am done with it and never have to go back)
i was just being silly.
Just a disclaimer: The cases where someone gets super rich from dropping out of school are pretty rare, so its pretty optimistic to think that it will happen to you if you drop out, and downright stupid to not have a backup plan should your one-in-a-million plan fail.
Nothing better than an MR episode with Anthony
I love these episodes