Portuguese Passports for Goans: New challenges and realities !
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2023
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KENNEDY AFONSO, President of Goans for Goa, NGO
Adv. AIRES RODRIGUES
JOSEPH CLIVE SEQUEIRA, Managing Director, MEDIA PROMOTIONS PVT LTD.
Adv. RADHARAO GRACIAS
Point counter point EP 92
Thank you Adv. Radharao Gracias for explaining about Register and Transcribe. Well said👍
Lord give goan people relived from revoke and to comes in goan people favour and agrees totally with Radharao Gracious🙏🙏🙏
OCI option is not dual nationality. It is only giving rights to people of Indian origins to enter India as they have roots, assets, investments and by this option given opportunity to stay connected to their ancestral homelands. By denying OCI rights, people of India origin will be forced to sell their assets in India, withdraw money from banks, stop investments in India, etc which will eventually have an adverse impact on Indian economy which is highly dependent on it. Have the govt evaluated these consequences? Besides, Indian Rupee is weakening day by day and countries much younger then India have developed far more with good policies. Where are we heading? This is indeed a concerning matter.
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I agree totally with Radharao Gracious. He is speaking to the point that those Goans who are born prior to 1961 are Portuguese citizen, and at the same time Indian after Goa was liberated from the Portuguese rule and was annexed on 17th December 1961.
In that case they also cease to be Portuguese citizens. If not, they should have left india at that time. If they stayed, they accepted indian citizenship.
Who leaked this information from Portuguese consulate regarding the registration of birth to Indian govt .there should be a middle man inside the embassy actually Portuguese embassy cannot leak the information.
A very thought provoking debate. Adv. Gracias should be encouraged to sit on panel discussions with MFA and Home Ministry to resolve this issue once and for all...especially bcoz Goans have a special status as explained so well by Adv. Gracias
This is great for all Goals to have Portuguese passports as dual citizens. ecause of the historical ties. Portugal will benefit from this because it will encourage travel and Tourism. Keep up the good work.
Mr Carlos Alvares is missing, his Legal outlook is needed.
People should not abuse the law by misusing the government benefits. I got my registration done in 2019, could not travel to Portugal due to Covid but did travel to India twice but still did not get fined because I was told by the OCI officer that the government is not charging any fine for the people till the end of December 2023. I got my OCI without any hassle. I think it’s the passport officer in Goa who is not properly informed or it could be that the citizenship is revoked because people are not surrendering their passport to get obtain benefit from the government. Law is law and that must be followed. What Mr. Radharoa is saying must be confirmed by the government in writing in the case of Goans till it’s not confirmed these are mere talks which does not help people in reality.
Thanks Radha...your voice and knowledge gives a lot of moral support. God bless you.🙏🏻
Appreciate Heraldo ..for bringing this critical issue ..Bjp is showing true colours of hate towards goans . How true citizens of India can be tortured like this of revoking the passport. Y CM of goa not concerned about this issue ??
Goi is being kind to goans and basically telling them not to go and become second class citizens of another country.
Common man want to relocate themselves to upgrade their living standards, stead of giving relaxation, obstruction are Increasing.
This new rule of not granting OCI applies only for Goan's acquiring Portuguese passport or all Indians citizens? Because other states like Kerela, Punjab, Tamil Nadu, Andra Pradesh, Gujarat have much higher frequency of voluntarily renouncing their Indian citizenship after living for years in foreign countries whereas Goans are granted this right through their ancestors. So the HC must throughly review cases of Exceptions if they wish to continue with this rule and provide fair judgment accordingly.
If the dual citizenship is granted by the Indian Government, there will be both side benefits .
There are disadvantages too
@@r.j.f207yet its expat's money that has built India to its present successes.
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@@Kokomo-tj9erIt's true, most of Ahmedabad's development is the result of Gujaratis living in the West. Forex deposits of NRIs is also used to purchase inventory from abroad (e.g. oil and gas from Gulf countries, they don't accept rupee payments). Please learn some basic economics.
Very enlightening discussion. Adv Radharao Gracias of course at his brilliant best. And the government and its brilliant administrative machinery comes out as what... ?? 🤔🤔
The answer to your question is "Typical low IQ ghanttis".
There are 1000s of Indians who are born in the Middle East, and all of their Births are registered in the Middle East countries as well as the Indian Embassy. Doe it mean that the Govt. of India will revoke the Indian passports of these kids, just because they are registered in the country of birth ie. those not born in Indi
I saw Mr Aires Rodreigues in Chiswick in West London couples of month back
Great show Sujoy, lovely insights
Adv Radha has stolen the debate 😊🎉
Interesting debate and thank you for enlightening some clarity on the topic.
I hope the Government of Indian will bring relief to the Goans soon.
Dear what is the Percentage of expectation?
They only care for Hindus, not Christians and Muslims.
What happens to the defense persons who have registered their birth in another country
When it comes to pensioners and renewal of LIFE CERTIFICATE.
Many countries have dual passports including Pakistan why can't India?
Because India still follows British Victorian rules they are still back in time and also afraid of modern democracy
Its slowly coming to light and let all learned men understand the consequence.
If I was born in Goa before 1961, does this mean my birth is already registered in Portugal?
Yes true!
@@franciscodasilva3504 then why does the other post say I still need to get it transcribed from registry in Goa to the registry in Portugal. This is quite confusing
@@qakbot100No, you don't need it transcribed because it was already transcribed before 1961.
Well said
Radha bab what what about new applicant of Portuguese passport
Dual citizenship will resolve this problem. India needs to change age old British laws. Even British allows dual citizenship. Delhi law makers have no clue about the Goan unique status. And I would say an expert committee of Goan representatives need to provide knowledge to Delhi and provide Goan this special status of dual nationality.
Many US/ Canada Australian citizens of Indian origins have OCI and are happy what is the problem with Goans
Thank you for all of you . .
I have been trying to acquire my portugese passport for months through the various methods for Goans and have been unsuccessful
I believe goans born during the Portuguese regime do not have an issue as they were Portuguese by birth
Certainly Yes!
Late CM Parrikar said registering birth in Portugal doesn't become a Portugal citizen.But that Person becomes eligible to get Portugal citizenship.Only if that Person acquires Citizens card,then he becomes a Portugal citizen.So many Gujratis from Daman and Diu have also got Portuguese passports.These rules are not applied to them.Only christian goans are targeted.
If you acquire foreign citizenship you must give up Indian citizenship irrespective of your religion you can then apply for OCI if you wish .... Dont make this a HIndu , Christian issue ,
Hindus cannot develop India, but wanna make life miserable for the rest of us.
Dr Radha just take all d Cases n give relief to all ,passport officer must be taken to court to answer or else dis will go on
Lakhs and lakhs of Indians are renouncing Indian Citizenships all over India. Many people are leaving the country as the condition seems to be very bad over here.Reasons are many like poverty, lack of jobs, education. Nations after nation are trying to help their citizens in trouble but our authorities are putting more weight on the shoulders of our own citizens.Sad but true.
If you renounce your Indian citizenship in favour of foreign nationality it is not reasonsble to apply for Indian status again!
@@saraswatkin9226so you mean who go outside shouldnt come back?
This jealousy mindset is a big problem of indian population
Absolutely. People move to support their family and give better education. though they get Portuguese passport, they still are Indians so why not provide duel passport. They also add to economy of country.
Get the fxck out if you don't like it here. Who asks you to stay.
Good they can go . One way ticket pl
But how do the passport department come to know who have registered in Portugal when we go to renew the Indian passport
The government is targeting those elderly Goans born before 1961, a copy of their birth records was sent to Lisbon when their parents registered their births in Goa.
Make up your mind, to whom you belong! You can’t have the best of both worlds!
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Exactly
Who are u favouring, the Goans or the crooked govt.
India is a UNION OF STATES no one has the wholesale of the entire country. Respect each state and sovereignty.
Does transcribe mean copy?
From the Latin transcribere, which means “to copy, write over, or transfer,” the verb transcribe means just that: to write out a copy.
What is register in Oxford English Dictionary?
put name on list. [transitive, intransitive] to record your/someone's/something's name on an official list register something to register a birth/marriage/death to register a company/trademark register something in something The ship was registered in Panama. register somebody + adj.
And in Cambridge?
Collins?
Websters?
Lisboa was the origin in giving surnames ,registration of births, marriage,deaths,sale deeds,succesion deeds etc?
Adv.Radharao Gracious is talking sense
In few decades, Portugal will be a developing country.
No. Portuguese median IQ is much higher than Indian median IQ. It's why India will always be a Third World country, the median IQ (around 75) is similar to African countries.
I. Feel. The. Editor of the. Paper is more bothered about. Goans than. Our. M L A s
I feel so sorry for these guys and their families. What the evil foreigners have done to them!
What is the difference between “register” and “transcribe”
Transcribe means take your Portuguese birth certificate from Goa register and record it in Portugal registry books.
@@anth_dcosta3205how does one find out if my portugues birth is registered in Goa?
@saraswatkin9226 If you were born in Goa before 19 December 1961 then you will find your Portuguese birth certificate in Goa. Otherwise you will find only Indian birth certificate.
Well,the people themselves refused n want to migrate other country,due to jobs, to have better life.there r so many other Goans who still works in goa.the point is no other country like USA or take UK.then we were born during British time,can we make British passport ,when British rule many Indians were can we apply for British passport.
No. There is no law like that in England. Mainly because India wanted independence from England.
People are suffering delusion thinking its a better life in USA or UK where you work till you drop with no time for family or friends. Its a rip off everywhere. Recently, I went into body shop in Panjim to buy small bottle of teatree oil and the man wanted 1500 rupees for a same thing in UK which cost 20 rupees. Greed or avarice the most deadly sin is spreading everywhere like wildfire!
If rada says that the goans born before 1961 are portugese citizen then why the same people registered again by making papers
I think Radha has catogirily said there's difference between registration and transcribe they are two different things goans have not registered but they have transcribed
What was gomantak before portugese....
Sultanate of Bijapur territory
Indian government or Goa government have to all both citizenship, as i saw personal all other country have both they citizenship why only Goan people ull don't allow its not ferrari totally
Why did the Goverment of India not give an opporunity to Goans to be part of India and or rule their own destinly as was the case with East Pakistan now Bangladesh?
Greed for land and resources, India's population growth remains out of control.
@@cg8397 What greed India liberated Portuguese colony
Can I travel to a diffrent country if I have Indian passport which is not handed to indian passport office and I have portuguese passport
Yes, provided that you have a valid visa for that country in your passport
Everything is to be solved as per law.
Bhivpachi garaj na, population is already increased.
Dual benefits, not cool !!
It's a unique case as rest of Indians who were born during British occupation of India are not considered British..it was a divide and rule seed left in India(Goa) by Portugese when they were shamed and kicked from India..
Portugues were not kicked out of Goa they simply departed as Portugal was too busy trying to survive in Europe. India could not look after the rest of the country so why did Indira's goverment want Goa? Its called Greed! Apparently, all Goan freedom fighters were imprisoned. Another Gaza!
@@saraswatkin9226 Really ..come out of the dark room,open the window and say hello to the world outside..a lot of catching up is required..
@@saraswatkin9226 While it is true that Goa was a Portuguese colony for a significant period, it is important to clarify that Portugal was not forcibly "kicked out" of India. The process of Goa gaining independence from Portuguese rule was a result of diplomatic negotiations and political developments.
In the mid-20th century, India was undergoing a movement for independence from British colonial rule, led by figures like Mahatma Gandhi and other freedom fighters. The liberation of Goa from Portuguese rule was a part of this broader movement for independence.
In 1961, the Indian government launched a military operation known as Operation Vijay to reclaim Goa and other Portuguese territories in India. This operation resulted in the annexation of Goa by India. It is crucial to note that this event was a political and military action rather than a forceful expulsion of the Portuguese.
Understanding historical events and their context is important to avoid misconceptions.
It's understandable that historical events can be viewed from various perspectives, and it's important to remember that every nation has had a role in shaping the world as we know it today. Portugal is no exception.
The Age of Discovery, which began in the 15th century, is largely attributed to Portugal. It was a period of intense exploration that significantly contributed to the world's knowledge about geography, navigation, and other cultures. It was Portuguese explorer Vasco da Gama who first found a maritime route from Europe to India, opening up vast opportunities for trade and cultural exchange that hadn't existed before.
In addition to this, the Portuguese also made significant contributions to science, particularly in the fields of cartography and navigation. The creation of more accurate maps and the development of navigational instruments like the astrolabe and quadrant were key to the success of many exploration voyages.
Moreover, Portugal was a melting pot of different cultures and thus played a crucial role in the exchange of ideas, art, and culture. For instance, the Portuguese introduced the chili pepper to India, which has since become a cornerstone of Indian cuisine.
While it is true that colonial history is marked by conflict and exploitation, we should not overlook the ways in which it has shaped the world and contributed to the diversity and interconnectedness we experience today. It's important to approach history with a balanced perspective, acknowledging both the negative and positive impacts that have been left behind.
There are still some who think that their is a room for a war for narrative to waged..Indian culture and identity is that of Antiquity,world over has learnt from our vedic texts and treasure of knowledge,they have done this with an ulterior motive as they never acknowledge the source if their knowledge,all the science that we see that and all that is coming or might come in future has been theorized in some way or form in the literature of Sanatan,this might sound quite a tall claim but an empirical analysis will prove this to a fact...all the western powers combined and other aggressors before them had a sole purpose of stealing from India and show the native culture as inferior to them..this new world theory,exploration is nothing but manifestation of human greed,to the current time this whole concept of western materialism and consumerism is destabilizing the balance and will lead to destruction of mankind..Indian culture of tolerance and mutual coexistence of all beings can only sustain the world and to everybody's wonder the same fundas are being written by western authors claiming them to be their own whereas they are stolen from our ancient texts...thanks to social media there is a revolution and rekindling Indian thought that has come now which will only stop after these foreign narratives as uprooted to the last bit... Om Shanti...
Why don't you challenge this on court ?
Are they Indian or Portugese..keep one PP alive
By debating like this wer on a wrong path we medd to surrender the indian passport
Go all talk
If there are portugese citizens who also hold Indian citizenship and staying in India? India does not allow dual citizenship OCI is not dual citizenship
No way Indian government will allow dual citizenship. It will be loss for them. My question is why did they have bi for years and not take Portuguese passport? You cannot be in 2 boats. Do the citizenship and take oci. Very simple
Exactly , having the cake and eating it too . Especially in UK take all benefits of that country and then enjoy benefits of India too ….. but arrogantly say ( when residing in UK) they are no way of Indian origin but Portuguese proudly … whilst having properties here in Goa .Wow !!!
This needs to end . Period!
this is all because of forthcoming 2024 lok sabha elections
U all talk
Parliamentary election are near bjp preseriging for goans to elect so they will neutralize this esue
Anyone knows agent to get portuguese passport in a fast timeframe please reply help
The salary is all matters to have the life in abundance. That much of salary will never ever get anywhere, so it's completely the personal private choice to work and receive your salary, either Rs. 10K or Rs.2 Lakhs per month, that's the huge ennomous difference of earning in a very short period of time. If you work for just 10K, you will never ever possible to buy a normal car also, forget about the land and house. So it's happening through out the entire world., it's not an big issue, it's your personal private choice., for the life in abundance.
Good 👍 One way ticket pl , stay there n don’t come back
SORRY FRIEND .PUNJABIS HAVE OVERTAKEN GOA.
Throw the manipulative bjp government out of power. All the problems will be solved😂😂😂😂😂
Not a single Hindu on Panel why? If this is an issue for Goans born before 1961 then it implies it would be of interest to those Hindu Goans also
Radha gets aquired citizenship by transcription, so not natural, and Indian is by birth, which is natural so clear differentiation, so has to give up any one , as per Indian law, no dual citizenship. I think, I may be wrong
Portuguese authorities do not come to Goa to find out who is born in Goa. A person informs and applies for . So it becomes clear that he volunteers to cease to be citizen of India and should be treated as such. Why should they be treated differently.
No, the parents of those Goans born before 1961 registered their births with the local authorities in Goa (registration of births, marriages and deaths with the government was made compulsory during Portuguese rule). A copy of the records was also sent to Lisbon. It's these older Goans who are being targeted by the government.
Thousand of ex Indian citizens who are now citizens of western countries have OCI .... they have given back Indian passport and are happy with the arrangement , what is the problems with Goans, once you have foreign citizenship ou can't keep Indian citizenship, simple
In future there is no need of oci the goa alongwith entire konkan will be seperated from indian union by boss of goa konkan
Throw out Portuguese citizenship I'd.cos they.atr liberated from Portuguese.how come Portuguese can accept small children.as Portuguese from india
Small children r born to EU citizens!
Having another country passport automatically makes them foreigners. Why does india need to create a dual citizenship by way of OCI (overseas citizen of India) or PIO (person of Indian Origin) ?
Because of investments 😊
Yet PIO still have to fill in immigration form whilst entry into India so its not a true citizenship, its money making racket
so now what is the conclusion,this argument is all half baked there should be only one boat to sail and not parallel boats for one person.otherwise all the Portugal citizens need to dual voting.
Just curious...why do you want both citizenships? Choose a country and make a go at it there. It appears that all these unfortunates want to have a backup plan. Is it in case the caste (race) conscious Portuguese discriminates, they want to be able to run back to mama? Why did they fail in India and want to go to the country of their oppressors?
Ghanttis also hold two citizenships secretly (I've observed Gujarati bania individuals holding both British and Indian passports) but the government isn't targeting ghanttis. Government has some kind of mental hangup about Goans and Portugal. Ghanttis are also race conscious and oppressive, notably the Dharmic Dindoos that have been flooding into Goa since the last century. The government also imposed Reservation Policy in Goa so that the native Catholic majority would automatically get locked out of government jobs and colleges and replaced by the Dharmic Dindoo immigrants.
So what you guys want? If you want to have Portuguese citizenship then fine take it but you have to give up Indian one .. straightforward and then apply for OCIIF YOU like , Thusand of Overseas Indian migrants have done. that . where is the problem?
My friend pl. do some other debate like, price rise ,how to help the youth of Goa to get jobs and get a better FUTURE, don't think of people who left Goa for better life,look after some times the present people who left Goa, will not come back,the reason is life in UK. Better and better JUSTICE, if we are back remmember what sort of life we will have..
Goa is lost paradise. Antonio you are dreaming, UK is nothing more than a modern slave market using foregin labour to prop it self and then moaning about migrants.
This is Why we dont support BJP government.
BJP government is discriminate
better many wifes and husband destroyed their familes after going to london from goa
Just for one day, can earn there Rs.8K and for one month 2 lakhs excluding 4 Sundays., so better be in abroad to make better future of abundance.
Have some Honor and loyalty..Indian law applies in India ..it's about 62 years after liberation...would Portugese govt give political rights to Indians..what if Portugal were to reject this citizenship law..Stop begging..and love the country whose water you drink and air you breathe..
Air and water is universal and does not belong to any country that myth has been created for racketeering like climate change by people who already have climate changing technology. Some people look but do not see and hear but do not listen, stop misleading yourselves.
For the ignorant people, yes Portugal does give political rights. There are Goans who are in the govt. there.
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Correction, Portugal gives political rights to Portuguese of Indian or Goan origin. They will not let Modi run for an election.
Similarly, India will not allow citizens of other countries to participate in our democracy.
Portugal is poor than India dont get so excited
Portugal isn't poorer than India. It has a higher per capita income, and also a higher HDI ranking. Its people also have a higher median IQ, necessary for a First World country.
Portuguese passport giving them economic freedom, which the Indian passport not.
All Indian will give back Indian passport, if the West offer them passports.
No bloody dual citizenship business. We don't want extraterrestrial loyalties in our citizens. Stay here or get out.
What's your problem ?
@@brendagormanly5381 re-read what I said.
@@crusoerob8550 The government is freaking out because if too many Goans take Portuguese citizenship voluntarily, then it becomes harder to justify Operation Vijay.
@@cg8397 Operation Vijay does not need to be justified, it was a colonial power and they were to stay and fight or leave. They chose to leave. Currently Portugal is struggling economically, central Portugal is a economic drag and largely empty and underdeveloped. Hordes of English came, couldn't make ends meet and left for Spain. They need people to live and struggle in central Portugal. These goans will be miserable there. But if they want to be Europeans, welgo! Has tala Vista! Don't come back.
Those who obtained the Portuguese passport ha not right to continue as indian citizen. Goa people can go and stay in your country Portugal after obtained the Portuguese passport. Ioc card should not be issued to those who surrendered the Indian passport.
Stop lying again, ghantti. All persons of Indian origin holding foreign passport are eligible to apply for OCI card.
No duel citizenship should be allowed for any Indian otherwise there will be no value for Indian passport
They can stay here as foreign nationals only oci is ok nothing more
Can a Hindu whose parents or grandparents were born in Goa, Daman or Diu get a Portuguese passport?
Those who have volunteered for Portuguese registration r free to go they should be off d voting records here neither should our taxpayer money be used to provide facilities for these bums like during d could times let d Portuguese or UK govt do d needful
Jealous?
@@brendagormanly5381 not jealous but good riddance of pure crap
@@brendagormanly5381 kindly note I was born in Mombasa Kenya so I could choose to be Kenyan British Portuguese or Indian I chose to be Indian
@@brendagormanly5381 when these haughty characters come here I get endless pleasure telling them that we will build this country d way we want it and not to their crappy ideas
This discussion appears to be more about Goan Christians only not all Indians because Hindus were never eligible for this facility.
Do goan Hindus also have such rights? If not it discriminates against Hindus.
U all talk
Can a Hindu whose parents or grandparents were born in Goa, Daman or Diu get a Portuguese passport?