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- čas přidán 4. 05. 2024
- BR standard 4 80136 departs Grosmont with the “Moorlander” diner. Too much steam???
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No, they were attempting to sneak out of town without being seen.
A little bit more steam and they would be unseen.
No, drain cocks open because either water carried over because of priming or cylinders still cold. Water doesn't compress so this is to prevent the possibility of damaging the cylinders. Not "too much steam".
they were just showing off with those cylinder drains, very rarely do they have to be open that long even on a cold day
Not usually opened for that long though, I know the reasoning behind it, just a little excessive.
@@steamrestorer4559 totally agree with you.
American drivers tend to leave the drain cocks open for longer than Brits. Understandable in Minnesota in the winter, but not in Texas in the summer.
@@steamrestorer4559I don't understand how it's showing off.
The engineer is only trolling the photographers he knows are waiting for a shot around the bend...😂
Was half expecting Jenny Agutter to come running out shouting “daddy, my daddy’!
Jenny Agutter 1970, or Jenny Agutter 2024. If the latter, her "Daddy" must now be a very old man lol
Owt is possible in Yorkshire 😂
Complete with waving her pants
wrong railway !!
I have read and enjoyed and agreed with almost all of these posts but, at the ripe young age of eighty, and having grown up in beautiful Cape Town with steam trains, I feel I must state: COULD THERE EVER BE "TOO MUCH STEAM" - EVER??? Excellent clip!
I always warm up the cylinders before moving the loco. All our locos are Stevenson valve gear with a reversing lever so it is easy to blow all water out of the cylinders and warm them up by engaging forward and reverse. The drain cocks then only need to be left open for a few seconds. Could not see where I'm going otherwise on a cold morning!
not easy done on most British locos that were built for the mainline, as they are nearly all fitted with Walschaerts valve gear worked by screw reversers.
In this case the loco appears to be priming, due to either the fireman having overfilled the boiler or carry over occuring due to foaming taking place due to the water quality.
@@James_Rivett Is that an injector venting steam at the side in front of the cab? Interesting that they would be adding more water in to a priming or overfilled boiler. Is that normal practice?
@@michaeld5888 the injectors on standard class locos are on the other side (fireman's side) so no it's not a injector (even if it was it would it be putting water in with that much steam out the overflow)
My driver had to do this after I over filled the boiler one day, he gave me a right rollaking
Brilliant video just love the sound and looks of these locomotives I grew up with them keep up your great work and videos Bernard
Thank you for your lovely words, Steam locos are a beautiful thing and something that is an undiscribable love.
I can’t see any steam through all that water vapour!
Spot on, its the only thing to see. ☁☁☁☁
*aerosol
We wouldn't be able to see it without the water vapor. But, I know what you mean.
@@PetCactusA_HarmlessLittlePrick The vapour is invisible. That's the gas phase. What you're seeing is an aerosol formed by localised condensation. It cools and condenses into droplets that refract light. That's why it's visible.
You’d also leave the drain cocks open for longer if the boiler is very full, which it sounded like this video, to prevent priming
My thoughts, too.
Yes I think one can hear that.
Seems to be a very regular occurrence on the NYMR.
Agreed
I signal on the NNR and the first departure from Sheringham in the morning is often very much the same. I’m a fair way from the platform and sometimes only just see an arm poking out of the steam at the last minute to hang the token on!!!
I took an almost identical video of Schools class "Repton" from the exact same spot a few years ago - quite dramatic with the loco emerging from its own steam!
Nice !. This is pure Steam at high pressure. No coal involved.
Greetings from Santiago de Chile. South America. John.
Hi John 👋
Remember kiddies, before harping on about water that's accumulated in the cylinders and how quickly that clears etc etc, ask yourself this: Just how much pipework is there between the regulator valve and the cylinders and how much water does it hold in all the low spots before the loco has fully warmed through? The answer is a surprising amount, especially when it comes to the superheaters... Then ask yourself just how long it takes and how far the loco has to run before all that water has been cleared? Again, a surprising amount...
The layout at Grosmont exacerbates the problem. The MPD is 1/4 mile from the platform so the cold light engine backs on to the dining train and stands heating its stock. The departure videoed is the first chance to put steam through the valves and cylinders.
Didn't think drivers were allowed to vape! 🤣
Some sized vape 🤣🤣🤣
Love it, Love it. Best laugh I've had all week.
Considering this very railway had a cylinder blow in quite spectacular style, even if THAT wasn't drains, I don't blame any crew here for leaving the drains open a smidge long.
"Ladies and Gentlemen, - please welcome the Liberace of the steam throttle . . . ."
And how fine it is
That was bloody awesome! 👍
If you listen carefully it's one Shhh from the drain cocks to four beats of the exhaust so I would imagine that one of the drains has not shut off properly, it doesn't take much.
What an unusual sound. I rarely noted how different the engines from different countries do sound. This one is really cool.
ITS odd.🫤😐
Better than a Cylinder cover smacking you on the ear'ole...........
Whilst steam raising, if the gear is in neutral and the regulator is just 'cracked' and the drain cocks opened, the cylinders will be warmed up in time for the loco moving off. This purging business is largely unnecessary.
Beautiful to see - even with all the steam!
It sure is!
Great video. Well filmed.
Thank you.
Definiteley wasnt expecting a tank engine after all of that
More like a fire breathing dragon 😂😂
@@KevsTrains yeah true
This could be something from Hollywood, Grumpy and struggling for breath, a fire breathing monster awakened from centuries of slumber.
Absolutely love it, an excellent video with a difference. Nice to see.
Ghost train
Certainly gave more passengers the oldy-worldy steamy atmosphere as they looked out the windows, just before plunging into the dark tunnel :-)
Certainly did, the proper days of railways
So cool!
This is awsome!!!
Not bad is it
Such sweet sounds . Got to love those old British steamers.
Excellent!!
Very atmospheric with all that steam....enjoyed the video will save it.👍👍👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Epic reveal before disappearing into the tunnel. Next stop, Hogwarts.
Like that idea 😂😂
Could have been that the fireman filled the boiler up too much. No place to blow down so easy regulator, with drains open until water level drops. You can hear that when they start, a woofy exhaust and water at the chimney. The driver is not going to open up and close the taps until he is sure the water won't pick up again . Maybe the fireman forgot he had the injector on too long. Normally just a few revolutions of the wheels would be suffice as the ex B.R. footplateman said.
BRILLIANT! 🤣
Hum - Can crew see the road ahead ? They'll know where the next signal is coming up, but never a good idea to be driving blind.
Next signal is way round the corner after the tunnel
They are clearing condensate from the cylinders through the drain cocks. Normal after being stopped for a bit. Otherwise they could damage the glands.
That's what startles me as well. Why would you design the loco that way with the valve shooting steam out to the front? Maybe it wasn't intended to be used while moving, but strange nevertheless.
The driver is blind on every corner that faces the other side of the cab lol. As train crew you look ahead then get on with the job. The only time you continuously observe is approaching areas like signals, crossings and stations. As an IRL fireman I can tell you there's too much to do to be watching constantly lol
Ha that was awesome! Like a huge moving cloid of fog hiding a huge beast
Yes, without being on the footplate and seeing what is going on it is difficult to work out what is happening. I am listening to the video and it sounds like very wet steam coming out of the draincocks so maybe the boiler was a bit too full.
my granddad was a rail maintainance for-man for the nmbs in belgium, started after the destruction of world war 2. When he would see this immage, he would say. Those rails are nasty croocked. :D
Made for a fabulous video
It did
You can never have too much steam! Excellent video.
Thank you 👍
My wife was impressed with the sound and camera work. When she first saw a steam engine at Darlington in '75 she thought 'dragon'.
Very similar 👍
It could have been a much more explosive non departure if they hadn't been opened 😱
The earlier in the day and the longer the loco is stationary. Means a longer time to get the cylinders hot and the steam not condensing to water. Water in a closed cylinder can hydraulically blow out the end.[ it has been done] So if you dont want to see all the steam and “spoil your video” then work out where the train will be “Hot” and not having the cylinder cocks open for a long time to prevent damage. Will you pay for the locomotive to be out of traffic for repairs? Just because you want a photo!
Thank you for introducing some common sense into these comments.
It's one of BR Skunkworks later Stealth Loco prototypes.
There are reasons several , which require steam to be expelled.
Never thought a Standard 4MT Tank would let of that much steam
Canny amount
They really do look, sound, and feel like massive beasts.
I agree
"Deploying smoke can be a useful means if deceiving the enemy..."
It worked
@@KevsTrains It usually does 😁
Why didn't the crew stop the departure? They must have been unable to see if the road ahead was clear despite having left under clear signals.
It does give a rather sad look of a rather run down locomotive with leaking glands, worn piston rings and steam escaping anywhere it can. I cannot remember all this steam from the days when I was hauled by steam on passenger services when they were the primary locomotion.
This was the perfect amount of steam for that movie-style big reveal.
Absolutely 👍
Looks amazing, but im guessing the driver was rather annoyed at not being able to see anything
Probably an ex pilot, used to looking at clouds 😂
Wow
Thats only the cylinder drain cocks open to allow cold cylinders to warm up. If they didn't the steam on cold metal wood become water and cause hydraulicing and possible serios damage as you can't compress water! Probably a cold day as well so shows up more as well.
My boiler went boom bang a bang😮
That train sounds pissed off!.
Looks it too
Now THAT, my friends, is how you make an entrance!
Or exit 😂
So this is one of those cloud making trains!
Very popular in North Yorkshire
Unless a very cold start you don't normally see that much steam even with the drain cocks open. Once it's done a couple of strokes any water should be gone anyway. So could be water carried over as suggested, which implies a minor operating error to me :D
Well, when you live in a place where the relative humidity is near 100% all the time, that’s what you get! 😜
I grew up in Half Moon Bay, ‘the foggiest place in the western United States’ and know all about that.
I moved to the High Northwest Desert of SW Idaho, average humidity 25%…
The driver thought, no way will I let them video this train (and it worked lol)
You’re not wrong 😂
I explained this for you in great detail when you asked exactly the same question when 44806 was being run in in and tested here. The physics have not changed, the layout of the railway is the same so the same effects will happen.
I know reasoning 👍
The physics hasn't changed but the habits of footplate crews has. Even thirty years ago this never happened.
@@andrewhotston983 it would have done if the loco started priming as that loco did on the day in this video!
This happend to me once when I had the perfect shoot lined up. Unfortunately, mostly all it's due to is the breeze is traveling in same direction and speed a loco. I am 71, grew up with steam and always took a load of pictures when ever I could as I was an amatuer Photographer all my life, with my own dark room for 30 years. This only ever happened once when I was in a similar location to the one in your Video. Fort William in the Highlands 2019.
More steam than I would have expected, but the cylinder drain cocks need to be kept open until the cylinders are up to full temperature. If the cylinders are cold enough to condense the steam it can do a lot of damage to the engine if the cocks are closed.
Who else was expecting a dragon to appear?
🤣🤣🤣
Those who have followed this railway for a longish time will know that this is a relatively new practice. For those referring to the need to ensure there is no water buildup in the cylinders I would just like to say that I've seen this on trains returning from Whitby where that excessive issuance of steam lasted from exiting the rail network until it came to a standstill near the signal box. Perhaps they're fed up with people cashing in on popular heritage train videos. I notice the webcams are off now too.
I really hope that is not the case, sure fire way to put yourself out of business
Recently went to Isle of Man, part of a 18 strong party. We rode the steam railway from Douglas to Port Erin, full length, then got off to look at sea before return trip. At Port Erin having just emerged from first carriage, still on platform, my wife went to photograph the engine, and a uniformed official held his hand in front of the lens and told her extremely bluntly and loudly to decease. 18 return trips paid for at full price, still got "attacked" . We walked to the sea, and when we came back, he wasn't there, the loco still was, not having yet run round, so we got our photo. Took the shine off the trip though, not easy to get my wife to come along, then that! We were going to ride another day, we didn't. We're not going back. She recommended others in Hotel not to bother for the rest of our stay. Not our loss. It only takes one...............
No, this is definitely not a new practice!
Always great to see a good old conspiracy theory. And the webcams haven't been off either.
Usually the 9F, scares the kids witless lol
I also have a video of that 😂
Possibly my favourite UK steamer, I have a 'never run' Bachmann 00 model (dark blue box).
They are brilliant
If 'dry' steam (rather than water) is coming out of the drains, they can be shut. Warming the cylinders before starting helps. Priming very unlikely at a terminal station start - boiler carelessly overfilled if it does. Most important thing is driver visibility at all times.
Damp day makes the steam more visible, and I used to do it to add some atmosphere to the departure - not to the extent you couldn't see the road ahead, though.
Gosh what an entrance! Looks like 'revenge of the blob'!'
Loco. Engineers from B.R. steam days will tell you exactly what the problem is. You have a powerful loco capable of over 50 mph and pulling many tons in weight, only allowed to run at 25mph. You are bound to build up steam pressure and it has to go somewhere.
Sounded and looked like my sister coming out of the shower…..
🤣🤣🤣🤣
The fog is at least partially responsible, as the steam that is released stays visible in the air longer.
Perfectly normal when starting off after a loco's been standing for a while. Steam condensing in a cold cylinder - not desirable.
Yep, can end in disaster
They know where they are going, it's planned for them, and they have been there before, all they have to do is make it happen.
Excessive. I remember discussing this with an Uncle - a passed fireman on BR Southern Region in the age of steam, who said that senior drivers and some station masters would get very cross with this sort of excessive showing.
Unless there is a good reason for it. I started my working life in the old GWR works in Swindon before they were destroyed.
Into the tunnel and never seen again 😀😁
Sounded like a very angry beast.
Bet you thought you wouldn't see the engine at all! 😅
Totally cloaked 😂
Wasn't sure what track it was on until it passed!
80136.Beautiful.🚂
Isn’t she just
Sounds like a large dragon with asthma. 🐉
🤣🤣
I know it’s a long time ago but I don’t remember seeing things like that in steam days.
New style of driving
@@KevsTrains what would the purpose be for that? Genuine question as it implies people don't think that those who did it for a living knew what they were doing.
@@user-it7lf7kk8m it doesn’t imply that at all, it agrees with the original comment saying that it never used to happen in steam days, but seems to be common place now on preservation railways.
Not at all. First run of day, the drivers would keep the cocks open longer than if the loco was nicely warmed up. On a preserved line, locod often spend quite a period of time idle between runs, something that did not happen often within the confines of a station in working days.
Also, in this case the loco has picked some water up (carryover) due to the water level either being too high or the water quality allowing foaming. The drains have to be open to prevent damage to the cylinders. The drivers years ago would have done this, while giving the fireman a rollocking.
Just love comments from people who never driven a steam powered machine of any nature who thing they know better than those with actual experience.
@@KevsTrains you didn't answer the question. I would agree with the original statement, what I would like to understand is why it has changed. Whether it is just for show or there is a valid reason for it eg loco not used as much, so cools down more. If there is no valid reason to do it then my original query has validity if no one can come up with another legitimate reason?
OMG, bit over the top.😮😮😅😅
That's so funny😂😂😂😂😂
Yes, I have many videos of steam, but the sound and drama are second to non. Great video, or should I say audio production. Thank you.
Thank you very much 👌
It never came out of that tunnel. The people were never seen again.🦇
😂😂😂
The drivers at this railway are very skilled so I'm sure they have there reasoning.
Yeh, like hopefully they don't go thru an open switch!
@@user-dk8ly2ft9k that would be a signalling fault not drivers. In the UK we have points, switches are what you turn lights on with. The driver not only had a clear hope signal, but also has a single line token that only permits his train to be on a section of track (it has to be surrendered at the next signal box for the signalman to clear his signals who will swap it for the token for the next section). Even in the dark or fog, you can not see the road ahead very well. The only ilumination being either from a paraffin lamp or in electric marker lamps, which is why when visualbiluty is impeared (either due to lack of light, weather conditions, or drifting steam and smoke) much stronger courtion is undertaken, but the selected path is still controlled by the signalman.
@@James_Rivett Basically, I agree...yet it usually takes a real big shakeup where lives are lost before any positive result to a pitfall comes forth. That can be true at dangerous traffic intersections as well.
This is doing to keep people away off the track !
I could be wrong but I would imagine it's illegal to move along whilst venting the cylinders because the engine crew can't see ahead. Driving blind.
No it’s standard practice
Yes, the draincocks were rarely opened for more than a few seconds. At around 200psi the water temperature is around 260 degrees Celsius so the cylinders soon warm up. No self respecting fireman will allow the water level in the boiler to get too high. Too much pressure will mean that the safety valves lift
Yes, and less than 100 degrees by the time it gets to the cylinders on a cold engine. Simple thermal dynamics.
czcams.com/video/Eb8uWexXQyM/video.html
How does it lose 160 degrees on the short run from boiler to cylinders. I can understand it cooling if the steam is just sat in the cylinder but not if the engine is running. New heated steam is continuously being fed into the cylinders and that quickly raises the temperature.
When steam condenses it cools, coolling surrounding steam with it. The super heaters wont dry the steam until the engine is properly working. The cylinders do not quickly heat up. There is several tons of cast iron and cast steel to warm up. In this locos case, it has suffered with picking up water from a boiler that is either overful or suffering with foaming water which has lead to priming. In any case, condensate or water carryover has to be drained from the cylinders and in its self will cool things down.
There used to be a horror film called The Fog.
Exactly like that 😂😂
1:30 That lady on the right is about to have a bad hair day.
Just a little bit 😂😂
Couldn’t see the locomotive but only the steam
I hope the driver can see the signals.
They can
scares the livestock out of tunnel
Very true
Whoa! I see the steam....where's the train that goes with it?😆😆😆😆