Who resolves first? Exodia or Relay Soul? Konami probably had a meeting for this! Yugioh Master Duel
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In this video, I explore a wild Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel experiment using Morphtronic Telefon to see what happens when Exodia and Relay Soul resolve at the same time! These two iconic cards have completely opposite effects-Exodia grants an instant win, while Relay Soul sets up a risky situation where losing the summoned monster means losing the duel. But what happens when both effects trigger simultaneously? Will we claim victory with Exodia or face defeat due to Relay Soul? Tune in to find out the unexpected results of this quirky test!
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yugioh master duel meme deck
FTD - First Turn Draw 😂
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@@YGOMadnessin tcg. How would one make this deck? Can we get a list?
@@eeveemaster8902 sorry late reply, i lost the decklist for this bcs always change the wincon for the deck. but the core is this
3 telefon
3 naganaki
3 gadget gamer
2 olion
1 angel 07
1 beast of pharaoh
3 droll
machine dup 3
mallet 2
golden bamboo 3
ancient leaf 1
into the void 3
dimension dice 3
broken bamboo 1
dice dungeon 3
cursed bamboo 1
gold moon coin 1
double summon 1
linkuribo
baricadeborg
auroradon
cthuga 3
cupid pitch
stardust charge
tg hyper librarian
daigusto emeral
ancient fairy dragon
enlightment paladin
power tool braver
coral dragon
Achieving the ultimate win condition while also achieving the ultimate lose condition… while your opponent just sits their and watches you duel yourself
Player: **Activates Relay Soul's loss condition and Exodia's win condition simultaneously**
Game: ****** this, I'm out.
Wouldn't that just be a draw then?
Believe it or not that exists in master duel as rare as it is to see (especially with the special summon spamming bullshit that is modern YGO)
Ah so this why draw happens
@@ali_gamer11 Yeah, the game gets mad and tells you to screw off.
@@zytha2890 That does literally happen in the video lol
its fricking amazing to see players coook up the most insane combos out there
"im going to kill ourselves."
The opponent "What?"
Mission failed successfully 😂😂
I think the mission was to successfully fail (aka both lose)
Draw is both lose or win @@M3h420
I would be scared stiff if I saw my opponent playing solitaire Yugioh and say "Oh boy! Am I going to win? Or am I going to lose? Maybe I'll do both! Ueeheeheeheee!" with a frenzied expression on their face, all while giggling maniacally to themselves. That's the ultimate stage of madness right there.
Ygo madness: "Doc i have been having this bad headache lately. Can you do something about it?"
Doctor: "Sure thing fam"
*Doctor opens Ygo's head and looks inside*
Doctor: "Hold up, wait a minute....somethin ain't right!"
Ygo: "What's wrong doctor?!"
Doctor: "You've got way too many memes in here"
Hahahahahha 🤣🤣🤣
Victory conditions are 'checked' BETWEEN steps of a chain, but not DURING a single link. So neither Relay Soul nor Exodia can resolve until Fragrance Storm's effect is finished. Despite what some have said, the simultaneity of the effects of Fragrance Storm isn't relevant. Once that link has finished resolving, all victory conditions are checked simultaneously (and that one is relevant). In this case, both players have victory conditions achieved, so the game ends in a draw.
Doesn't really need special coding.
A draw is literally "if (both players win): draw". This is true for any win condition.
Exodia makes you win, Relay Soul makes the opponent win, both happened, so it's a draw.
Yeah but the process is fun!
I don’t think they are talking bout the coding side but more so just what is the ruling off it.
well one piece of coding that is important is how long it takes for win effects to actually become live, like does it wait till the end of the effect, the chain or literally right now, this split second?
it needs special coding for this matter, or else the code who reads continuously to check a win condition (which not trigger) would give the win "randomly"
wrong. Relay Soul makes you unable to lose as long as the card targeted by relay soul is on the field. Exodia makes you win as long as you have 5 exodia pieces in your hand.
this is what happened: Relay soul makes the player 1 unable to lose as long as the monster is on the field. Player 2 activates Exodia. player 1 should win, but player 2 cant lose. how can you win while your opponent is in a state that prevents you from losing? by making both of them win, with a draw
The Pepsi Man theme is just so catchy to me, and I couldn’t tell you why.
All honesty, I'd make it my ringtone if I could find the right download link
Enemy doing insane draw combo
Me: cooking while waiting
This is what it takes for a duel to end in a draw nowadays.
Back then, it was called Ring of Destruction!
Too bad they erratad it =(
The answer is easy, Fragrance Storm says 'destroy that target, and if you do, draw 1 card' the 'and' keyword means both happen at the same time, therefore both exodia and relay storms conditions are met at the same time so its a draw. If you drew exodia as the second draw of fragrance storm 'then if that card is a Plant-Type monster, you can reveal it and draw 1 more card.' you would lose because of relay soul as the 'then' keyword means it happens afterwards
The latter is not how effects like this work.
The game state for lingering and continuous effects are only checked after resolution of the last card. Both parts of the game state are updated at that time regardless of what order things happened in during resolution.
Since it is all one effect, Relay Soul would not be checked until the same time as Exodia.
This is the same reason you can't Kaiju Slumber or Nibiru under Kaiser Colosseum.
Since you first clear your opponent's field, you cannot have more than zero monsters when it checks how many your opponent has and therefore you cannot activate them at all because KC won't turn off until after you would resolve them.
Relay Soul isn't magically checked in the middle of a card resolving just like KC isn't meaning it causes a draw in this situation, no matter what.
What you're doing is the same logic people use for Nibiru under KC where they claim if it summoned the token first you could do it but that's not true.
It checks before the effect that allows you to summon at all so even if you summon a token your opponent still has zero monsters when it's checked.
The wording on Nibiru is meaningless.
All the "and thens" in the world can't save it because both summons are part of the one effect.
They would have to be two totally separate effects where one is dependent on the other one having happened in the case of both Fragrance and Nibiru for them to work like you people suggest.
Something like "if effecf 1 this turn, then you can effect 2". Since effect 1 has resolved at that point, the lingering/continuous effect is gone and the duel plays out as you guys incorrectly hypothesize.
Any player can win or lose, but it takes a pro to play to a draw on purpose.
What if you won with Exodia, and your opponent wins with Destiny Board, and at the same time, one of you win with another win card, say Final Countdown or the like?
Winning a duel is essentially a binary variable, think win = 1/lose = 0. Auto-win card effects make it become 1 at a given time, but multiple auto-win card effects don't stack. Each player still just gets the one variable to represent their win/lose state at game end.
I imagine, at least. Haven't seen the code but I imagine that would be the simplest way to do it.
There is a ruling that if multiple players achieve a win condition, the duel ends in a draw. No matter how many of those effects apply
Instant win conditions apply as soon as the requirement is met and stop the chain they're on. So if there was 2 chain links and on Chain Link 2 a player gets the five Forbidden One cards on his hand, he wins immediately and the rest of the chain doesn't resolve.
If 2 players get a win condition at the exact same time the game ends immediately in a draw.
Final Countdown win condition cannot be met at the same time as Destiny Board or Exodia because the turn counter goes up at the end of the End Phase and that action doesn't start a chain hence it cannot be chained to. Either it goes from 19 to 20 or it doesn't.
@@UltimaKamenRiderFan1 Correct, the rules say that instant win conditions do no stack,
But they can cancel each other, as is demonstrated in this video.
If one player somehow manages to trigger 2 auto-wins at the same time as the opponent triggers 1 of theirs
Than first the 2 auto-wins on the one side are consolidated into 1 win, before being canceled out by the opponent's win condition.
@@Pocket-CalculatorExactly, that's 100% how it works.
But there are some ways to get multiple win conditions at the same time, for example
In this video if the opponent had 4 pieces of exodia on hand and the last piece on the field and the player summons the head with relay soul and then search for the rest and then returns everything to the hand, both exodias and relay soul will trigger at the same time giving 1 win to you and 2 to the opponent but I think that that still counts as a draw
When Yugioh is as single player as it gets, playing for the opponent too.
You are win, but I am not lose.
Konami: F**k off, just say it as draw
That Mr krabs bit at the beginning had me rolling.
Nobody is talking about the opponent’s all royal hand
I think if this is real, Relay Soul resolve first. But we all know some cards have different ruling in TCG and OCG. This is basically why Last Turn is banned for Draw possibility (yes, I know you can also auto win).
This is not a "who resolve first issue". Both effects apply at the same time
@@ManuelRiccobonoWin conditions are not effects and they don't resolve like regular effects do. Either the win condition is met or it isn't and as soon as it is met the game ends.
OTK: Drake "nah"
OTD: Drake "yeah"
I have no clue what’s happening, but something is indeed happening
This was always the case. Two win conditions hit at the same time means both win which is a draw. Same as if both players lose at the same time.
I really wish if Konami print out the anime effect of 'Draw of Fate' when opponent declare an attack, negate that attack and both player draw a card and during this end phase if any player did not use the effect the card that drew by this effect, that player loses the duel.
These videos are proof players enjoy watching extremely long turns. I no longer feel bad playing Dark World and comboing for 5 minutes straight, then ending the opponents turn during the standby phase
Fuck no. The "Time Wizzard Formats" are gaining more terrain compared to these shitty modern stuff for a reason, this shit is unplayable. Older duels last more time, but turns only last like one minute and people actually interact.
@@rifasclub I'm not saying either of them are not fun. But I can confirm that meta can be fun as well. I do like playing role play decks and time wizard is one that's on my list bruh
Duel meh
So when is it my turn?
PEPSIMAAAAAAAN
Reminds me of a game where both players drew the last piece of exodia at the same time.
Morphtronic engine with Librarian W, Exodia W , love both and you made a mixed So Amazing, Just surprised no Formula Synchron omg imagine !!!
The Opponent: I was here for this.
Question. What cards l need to achieve the morphtronic telefon loop? reveal to us your secret!
@@Flour_dood you need 1 telefon on graveyard
You can do that with machine dup or dice dungeon search the dimension dice. Dimension dice can send your telefon to gy and summon another telefon.
@@Flour_dood decklist on pinned comment,
@@YGOMadness you are now a hero... TIME TO GO TROLL AROUND BABY
It does make sense that win conditions resolve simultaneously since they don't activate so it being a draw is what I'd expect.
holy of holiest you never stop exceeding my tunas.
You just gave me a archetype idea!!
Thumbnail: I just did the Master Duel tests and a Card Destruction question is like THAT!
Why are people complaining about combo decks that "dont let you play" but are completely fine with decks like this that literally dont let you play, and take longer
Still confused. Relay soul should’ve popped before exodia as the monster summoned by it(RS) left the field which would’ve resulted a loss regardless of LP left right?
Fragrance storm says "and if you do" rather than "then", meaning destroying the monster and drawing the card are considered to happen simultaneously.
As such there is no moment that the monster summoned by relay soul is not on the field but the player did not draw the last exodia piece yet, meaning they both get triggered at the same time.
Also I think win condition rulings is despite not needing to activate they still do not happen until the current effect finishes resolving, e.g. if you use graceful charity to draw 3 and your hand is 5 exodia pieces you would not win, you still need to finish the effect by discarding 2
@@tcoren1for the last part, correct.
You can win mid-chain, but you cannot win mid-resolving. So you have to discard 2 first to fully finish resolving Graceful Charity, before the win condition can kick in.
So in the current situation, neither Relay Soul nor Exodia can resolve until the current step of the chain is finished. Since when that step is finished, both conditions are met, both players win simultaneously, resulting in a draw.
That's another level of art 😂❤
Exodia scratch himself due to confusion
Whoever gets all 5 pieces of exodia in there hands they win the duel regardless of a chain
From what I understand Exodia is a wind condition and not a card Effect. I was told the moment they have it in hand they win but I haven't read relay soul to see what it does
This is true. You legit can declare victory the second you draw all 5 pieces. Thats why I believe Exodia should takes this one.
relay soul says when the monster it summons leaves the feild u lose. So the player both won and lost the duel at same time
This is just top level insanity
All that for a draw is crazy
Win, lose, draw. You win for pulling off this amazing draw. The loss, the last brain cell in that duelist who waited til the end and trying to figure out wut just happened.
I had an instance where I had a car that let's me draw 2 every turn and I had 1 card left in the deck to finish exodia on my turn I drew it but I lost because I couldn't draw the second card.
I don't know what I expected lol
imagine sitting there for a first turn draw and cause you did you get to go again lol
I love this Cthuga Bullshit.
Now, how about we have a TAS run of this solitaire game?
Both happen at the same time causing a draw
Boo boo bop!!
I was expecting something different but nope it ended exactly as it sounded.
That’s was crazy!
2:47 shout-out to the few rikka players lefted 😂
Ah yes a draw makes sense
Wait waaaat?? 3 days of dueling and you cant even win
Empate?! Increíble
Well you definitely live up to your name Yu-Gi-Oh madness.
Who was that buffalo looking monster that kept recurring on they synchro summon?
@@13EmoKittyKisses13 old entity cthugua
@@YGOMadness thank you
Would have quit after I saw the librarian
This is wild.
Basically you win i win everybody wins😂😂😂
I don't think I've ever seen the dice animation I'm this game...
Ya win some ya lose some as they say lol 😆
This is from a lukevonkarma replay video.
*PEPSIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!!!*
Solitaire complete!
Got so confuse are silver card even sychro game happen fast it just seem like it xyz summon and the amount o efftect.
Telefon for telefon 🗣
second time ever i see a exodia draw
PEPSI MAN
You're mad! Lol
Wounder what would happen if you played all the instant win cards.
So when the ban list update
Wait but Relay Soul can’t stop Exodia. … Ooooohhh 😮
Enter this for Ban or Pay!
Cant bcs from duel room
Win conditions don't win you the game midchain
can you make a match where you give all piece of Exodia to your opponents!? Make him win XD
Is this Eggs 2.0?
I knew it'll be a draw
PET SEMENNNNNNNNNNNNN
Lmao that is too funny 🤣🤣
is the same thing as summoning holaktye while one of the god cards was relay soul'd
Wrong in that scenario you would lose by relay soul effect first.
This flavor is…!
Always Exodia
Bu ba buh bo bi ba
how is it possible that google can translate this comment to "dont put them back"? WTF
@@FirstBaka
Bro speaking FNF
@@sovietdogoandcat2278 lol had to google this as I have no idea what is that, but you might be right
God I hate decks like this you know the last time I got a deck like this I went and had breakfast washed up got everything then came back and it was still f****** playing
Pepsi man!
Boo BOO Bi Bah ?? Boo Boo Bah Bah !!
Untung gk crash aja sih soalnya pernah ada yg coba destiny board vs exodia, gamenya crash bjir
kan beda bang ini relay soul bikin kalah sama exodia bikin menang malah jadinya draw
@@alkarim5193 bukan bikin kalah, lebih tepatnya bikin lawan menang
@@alkarim5193 w gk masalahin win/lose condition nya
cheater from here we can see a rat. you can see your opponent's hand
@@johantenoh8998 its from duel room
I think they did the programming wrong here
target 1 card on field, destroy it - should have triggered the Loss Condition immediately as mandatory, not as chain
if you do destroy the target, draw one card - Exodia is just 1 card too late.
A situation when this would be correct outcome is
if you have all 5 exodia pieces on field, having one piece summoned with "Relay Soul" to it, and you use "Sound The Retreat"
Then those did happen simultaneously
do destiny board and exoda same time
I think Sentence of Doom makes this actually possible,
If the Exodia effect doesn't prevent the chain from resolving.
Soooooo wtf?
Blue lock!
Yugioh brain rot
😂
exodia is revealed game ends thats how it works!