Rough Rubies & Sapphires. A little chat about Star Rubies, Sapphires, Cutting, and Tumbling
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- Rough Rubies & Sapphires. A little chat about Star Rubies, Sapphires, Cutting, and Tumbling I will be starting to do more Lapidary, Gems, Rockhoud, and adventure videos after Quarantine is over
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I like this video finally someone that is aware of the beautiful. Rubys and the many other colors a hiding im the
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Hi from Scotland,I obtained some sapphires from a mine in Australia . Two clear parti and bronze star,also a large dud,that's dark blue in the hand. Mine cost a hefty price. Found out there are sapphires on Harris, an island of the Scottish coast but aren't allowed to remove them and a beach on the east coast but very small but clear,these can be taken,freely. You're so lucky to be able to walk along picking these marvels of nature of the ground.that lot would break my bank. Looking forward to the next part. When's it coming 👀 🤔
Hey thanks for watching! Hopefully I can get some more lapidary videos coming soon!
Sad that you didn't prepare. New to lapidary but I was genuinely wanting to pick a stone up for you to get on with the presentation. Sorry but I really did look forward to watching this 😢
Very sorry you didn’t enjoy at least aspects of the video. This was shot around the time was was first starting CZcams. The two hardest parts of starting a channel and leaning the ins and outs of how to bring good content. another hard part is having everyone view and sometimes pass judgment on your videos and sometime the person making them. I really do appreciate your comment and view. The reason I don’t take old content off my channel is because it reminds me where and how I started. Have a wonderful day and don’t stop learning
Hi. You beauty. I found someone who can teach and has humility.
It’s my pleasure Andrew! Thanks for watching !
I realise that this video is a few years old now, and ,no doubt I'm late to the party, but, i thought it may be worth mentioning that;
twinning in the crystal structure will often inhibit otherwise silky corundum from generating a star,
lamellar twinning can often be seen as discontinuity within the silky sheen which generates a shuttering effect when moved rather than a continuous hazy sheen,
stones with too much lamellar twinning whilst sometimes being cuttable, are often prone to parting perpendicular to the c-axis.
This is often the case in the bulk of cheaper corundum coming from India and Africa, most corundum mined isn't considered gem quality unfortunately and even stones with stong silk may be too heavily twinned to cut a stable stone from.
On the other hand interpenetrant twinning will most often ruin the chances of any defined stars even in stones with good clarity.
Very interesting. My kid got a bunch of garnet and ruby rock from one of those mining places and wants to put them in her small rock tumbler. What do you advise? Thanks!
As far as type of tumbler?
Number 9 on the hardness scale
I have some of these types of sapphires, Ruby’s and garnets from years of amateur rock hounding. I’ve wondered for so long about what to do with them. I tried tumbling some but didn’t buy a decent tumbler and it broke fore the first cycle was done. Any suggestions on tumblers?
I really like Lortone tumblers !
Where can I find a box of potential!😂😩 I think I’ll love this process.
Haha!! It’s out there, just keep looking!
You have to study about corundum a little bit so you can recognize the good material and the potential fake stuff. Its not super time consuming and it will help you help yourself. Which is the truest freedom we have. Self sufficiency!
I also do a lot of unconventional cutting so some of the material most would consider junk I’ve cut so be pretty fun.
How would I be able to obtain bulk rough like this? I want to make a bunch of cabochons and I know exactly which way to cut sapphires and rubies that display titanium oxide or hematite inclusions
whats the fastest way to identify a rough gemstone or river rock with gem lab tools? do i have to cut and polish a small piece in order to even use the tools?
I have to say the best way to identify a rough gem is experience. Them gem tools you can buy are mostly used examine cut stones to discover their reflective index, color refraction and things of that sort. What gemstone specifically are you attempting to identify
Is there any way to cut or polish ruby corundum at home? I have a small rough ruby from my grandpa and I don’t believe it’s fancy jewelers grade but I’d like to get it to a nicer shape so I can set in a claw prong ring. I’ve had no success finding lapidaries in my area.
Absolutely- normally rock polishing wheels (diamond or aluminum oxide ) will work. Please send me an email if you have questions or would like more info chris@lionpunchforge.com
Wondering if you could be available to look at some gems I need help identifying 😂 I think they are tiny rubies or garnet and if so what can I do with those
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How would you tumble Zentron Crystal Collection Rough Ruby Stones
I’m looking for a black square star sapphire
New sub here. Hello!!! Any tips for a newbie that's just starting to go looking? I live in Tennessee
The best place to start is just finding a creek bed and spending some time looking down. You will want to start paying attention to textures and colors.
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Masons sapphire and ruby in Franklin NC
Silk it’s rutile , that is what makes it cats eye, or star, I believe…
any updates on this project?
tigereye's "silk" is asbestos fibers.
You are correct
In practice I find people distinguishing the colorless and grey as corundum .rutile is a name for the silk. Have you heated any yet?
you are correct! Rubies Sapphires and Colorless variety are all in the corundum family of minerals. generally these lots don't have any gem material. but I have found some bright blues and dark reds hiding in there. I didn't know this until recently the "Silk" can be comprised of other minerals other than rutile. hematite (Fe2O3), ilmenite (FeTiO3) or hematite-ilmenite mixtures have been reported. these are normally found after heating. I have not heated any of mine yet. there are quite a few that have some potential.
@@LionPunchForgeLPF i had learned rutilation to be needle like inclusions of any mineral in another and is often common black tourmaline.
So rutile is its own mineral?
I have some montana sapphire material that i have been dying to heat treat to see if if it colors and how much it may clear up or not. I don't care if they crack either . Its for experimenting. If i can get them to show color at all after heating , i will inspect thoroughly to see exactly how they changed...i also want to try partially insulating an opaque sapphire if coloration is successful. I know of a product designed to stop heat transfer caused by welding , so it cannot damage less heat resistant metals and materials . I want to take that paste and draw a simple pattern on the surface of one of them , heat it and see if i get a ghostly pattern from the color not changing only on the very surface under rhat product while the rest of it does change. I wouldnt do it with gemmy material without ALOT of experimenting and trial and error. If i succeed, i will have a unique product to offer.
Do you heat your stones yourself?
Yea rutile is it’s own mineral, m.minerals.net/mineral/rutile.aspx
There was a really great video GIA did on Montana Sapphire and heat treating at Gem mountain - I’ll see if I can find it it truly is a science - I that said I have watched the process used in a lot of underdeveloped countries that involved a sealed clay chamber filled with 11 herbs and spices passed down from generation to generation to heat treat rubies and sapphires- I have not attempted my own heat treating but I think it would be fun to try
www.gia.edu/gia-news-research/montana-gem-mountain-sapphire-mine
can you tumble those stones and make them shine with out cutting?
Absolutely
I love corundum so much! Very cool video
Me too!
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Lapidary is so freakin cool
I agree!! Thanks!
I'm so confused. I read of the Western NC star rubies found by a man some 40 years ago supposedly worth millions. They looked like brown turds before they were cut and none were over 2 in in length, not that big really. But they were cut and turned out to be rare star rubies worth millions. Now what makes a rare ruby worth money vs the red corundum you have that is so commonly found with no real significant value to them? When is blue corundum or blue sapphire in the raw worth any real money and how do you know? I have 3 rubies and at least 3 blue sapphires in the raw all from NC western side all found over 40 years ago by a professional known miner from Kings Mountain.
The sapphires 330 raw carats in weight total are in mica and the rubies - over 900 carats in raw weight total in 3 stones - appear to be encased in feldspar, guessing. None have been cut. The Pressley material is supposedly rare, gem quality and worth money but what is it worth and how do you know if it is gem quality? the rubies I have (3 stones) are larger one is 550 carats in weight the other 2 are at 200 and 225 carats each. 2 of the rubies appear common red corundum likely worthless and the other ruby I was told could be very uncommon and actually rare and even possibly very valuable, I was directed to the GiA by a gemologist.
I have good pics of them all. I need to show them to someone who knows these stones and what they could be worth. One ruby and one sapphire are each rattails - the sapphire shows the rich blue / purple gem material in the center like a jelly roll and the rattail ruby is fully encased as are the others in an outer rock likely feldspar that is not red corundum, the corundum is inside. One ruby was not recognizable by a museum in NC - the rattail - and they did not think if came from there but they are mistaken as I knew who owned it and who found it and it comes from the Blue Ridge Mountains without a doubt found over 40 years ago.
The NC museum suggested that one be looked at by the GIA. If I had an email address to send to or Facebook page I could show you pics. Would you know what you are looking at to see them? I also have Garnets in the raw up to 2 pounds a piece and 3in in diameter - some smaller around 1 inch or more in diameter, all are covered in an outer stone not showing gem material and all from NC 40 years ago; there are 8 stones of garnet. . .
Not sure the value of any of it or what to do with any of it. . . Suggestions. You want to see them?
Please help!
Boa noite! meu amigo deixa eu te perguntar moro no Brasil tenho safira bleck star tem como eu mandar alguma foto e vídeo para vc se tem algum potencial para dá estrela?
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Do you sale any of those rough ruby's you have?
Occasionally yes
How much for how many?
Hai saya ada beberapa ruby dan saffire saya ingin treatment tetapi saya tidak tahu bubuk apakah yang digunakan bisakah anda memberi tahu saya nama bubuk atau cairan yang diperlukan salam dari kami Indonesia terima kasih.