Oh I agree with you wholeheartedly Blair, hate those things ! When I moved in my house in 1990 the first thing I noticed was that there was 15 of them around it! 😣 We bought the place and later I told my wife that I was going to take out the palms while they were small, about six to eight feet tall. She didn't want to........ SO I didn't ! Now they are fifty feet tall and a real pain in the....... !! 😠 Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
As a palm trimmer of many years in Phoenix AZ My professional standards on palms differ between species. I strived to leave Phoenix Dactylifera (date Palms) with a very open head, well over 90 degrees. It take a great deal of extra effort to remove fruit bearing structures as these will cause staining on driveways and sidewalks (as will fruit from other palms). The other two types of palms in AZ were Washingtonia Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm), and the Washingtonia Filifera (California fan palm, much larger in diameter, (fat=Filifera). The Mexican fan palms can be trimmed in June to a 45 degrees but the Filiferas should never be trimmed that hard, maybe 70 to 90 degrees. The Datalyfieras (date palms) should be trimmed earlier in the season and to never less than a 90 degree, preferably 120 degree angle. I did this for over a decade., thousands of Palms.
" It's after 10 O'clock .......I'm outta here!" Lol. I guessed a roller for paths on a golf course. I have to cut down trees on the property myself today, not fun as it's still 95 in Florida but I love my battery powered saw!
Thanks for the video. Very informative. I was hoping to see you trim it so I could see the before and after shot, but your inserted pictures gave me what I needed. Thanks again!
It’s amazing and distressing how often I see terrible hack jobs performed by people who call themselves a tree service. I don’t blame you for running away from that job!
Mowing lawns around them on a windy day can be deadly. When you hear that thump on the ground just after you have done that section. Scary. When I worked for a cowboy "Arborist" (using that term loosely) He got a spine that went through the palm and out between thumb and forefinger. Yes couldn't pull it back out the way it went in either, but as the point was showing, I pulled it through with pliers. It was a huge wide spine. The poison put him of work for weeks. I react badly to them too, feels like you have the worst arthritis, get the same effect from Fan Palms too.
Blair, Date Palms? You need to visit 50, or Hawaii. Dates may weigh an ounce or so. Coconut palms, you'd need car repair, or cranial work, if one dropped. So, here I was. Sitting in my tiny part of this 4-plex, right on Kaneohe bay. (I could literally, take a short fishing pole, and release the catch. The weight would hit salt water, while I was standing on my Lanai.) I heard the "thump" of a coconut hitting the sandy ground. Then I heard the "THUMP" with a metallic sound, when another coconut found a car. Luckily, these palms drop their fronds, when they are finished with them. steve
I cant remember if I've mentioned it before, but I was put in hospital by a date palm frond when I was 10. The maintenance man at my school was trimming the date palms and a group of us boys started helping him by throwing the fronds into a bin. I threw one very hard, and a spike at the base speared my back into my scapula. Was very painful having that spike dug out of my back, I was very lucky that day not to have something more serious happen.
The small palm trees planted along the street are just foolish. I noticed one of them was right in front of a water utility I think it was. Talk about planning for the future. What planning!! And these guys get paid to draw up landscape plans for the city. Jeeesh... Good call on leaving that job in the dust. Thanks for the video.
I had 5 of these dates palms and hated every minute of owning them the spines will go through heavy leather gloves like a hot knife through butter. I have several scars on my arms and hands from these trees. I was so glad to have moved from the house that these were at. I will never own a date palm again. I feel your apprehension.
Auckland Starship hospital for children has, on a yearly basis, a large percentage of admissions caused by youngsters with penetrating wounds from the cast iron-hard spines of datus phoenix. Such wounds are painful and slow to heal, as you know, Blair. But ib children they can be catastrophic. Col NZ.
I am going to make a wild suggestion. Chain mail as used by the knights of old in England will prevent those fronds from puncturing the body. You can get total body coverage thought it is expensive to have made it will protect you. The other option is check into fire fighter clothing though hot to wear they will provide exceptional protection.
You dont see these where I live so I have to admit I never gave them a minutes thought. Thanks for sharing this with us, I would have never asked and I would have never known if you hadnt mentioned them. Have a great weekend.
Years ago I bought a house with three baby ones. Immediately ripped out two of them. Laziness and other things intruded. Moved away. Years later I was back in the area. Number three was well on the road to disaster ville. A current neighbor has planted a row of them in the front yard. Unbelievable! RIP THEM OUT!
Great advice and pics on pruning the "pineapple" and smart move walking away from that especially nasty one, the tight location, the lack of maintenance. Dirty job, call Mike Rowe. Friends have had rats abandon ship from the canopy as they were cleaning the upper trunk. Hell to maintain but they can go for $300 per foot of trunk height. They can be magnificent on large estates.There are palm species native to California and Baja California. Heard of Palm Springs? If we got rid of all palms, the southern californians would miss wrapping the trunks in christmas lights
Omg those spines are HUGE I thought that poncirus trifoliate flying dragon had bad thorns but I think those palms got it beat!!!! Those are beautiful palms tho!
They should have never planted those palms in the sidewalk! btw... Palms are not trees... they're closer relatives to the grass family. love your videos!
@@arboristBlairGlenn Just palms my friend! The palm family forms, on its own, a distinct order (the Arecales) within the Commelinid clade of the monocots.
I agree walk away more like run away! No matter how careful you are you always seem to get at least one small thorn prick. I found one more then 1" long broken off in the back of my hand hours after the job. I was lucky to pull it out but that arthritis feeling in my hand latest two days!!!
Here in New Zealand, in the upper North Island it was once considered fashionable in the early 1940s to have the kind of palms show in the video here (called Phoenix Palm here) planted along ocean beach frontages as decoration... Today the things are massive and come summer there will be someone who will suffer a really nasty injury from the spines. Sadly some people think they are great tree to plant in their city gardens and in no time the things have grown to a monstrous size and are shading out the light or the seeds they drop are germinating everywhere, especially your front lawn down the street (i removed two seedlings today that meant a large digging out job).... Yep... a hated tree sorry to say.
I have zero probs messing with hazard trees but the little lives in there,like maybe an eviction notice or something dook dook bingbong get out could be really bad for everything involved...to bad ya didn't get there 10 years earlier Blair great vid
I worked on a veggie farm when I was 15. (not for very long) They had machines that straddled the rows and the pickers like myself sat in web sling type seats and grabbed the ripe veggies as we went by. FunTimes. not.
There is a fungus that was infesting these trees in SoCal. Pink Rot I think. Anyhow the bad pruners never clean their gear it it has spread into the nicer palms as well. Canaries are grief fer sure....you never lost money on the job you did not take! I had a friend who got a bone infection in his wrist from a bad stick while running the fronds through a chipper...tip first works; but the spines can get you bad that direction.
We had a local guy here that had a spine go into his thumb nail. Later on a mole appeared and it's believed he died from skin cancer as the mole grew and grew under his thumb. The strangest thing I ever heard.
An important point that trimmers seem not to know is that palm trees need to reabsorb the nutrients (especially potassium) from the older (dying) fronds to remain healthy. Cutting off fronds that aren't ready to fall off on their own is slow death to the palm tree.
Sorry, I read this somewhere a few years ago. I'm not an expert, and can't find the article. In fact, every article I found said pruning yellowing and brown leaves is recommended. So any new information about palm tree nutrient reabsorbtion from drying leaves seems to have been ignored.
I had to climb those by foot for 8 an hour in Yuma...u better climb good with one hand so u can use ur machete to cut the thorns so u can get into the tree... Those spines will puncher tracker tires..let alone ur eye
@@arboristBlairGlenn I had no choice at the time I'm white but I worked with illegals and I worked with a 5' tall 75 yrs old Mexican fella..zero English..falls 15' to his back...gets up with blood from his nose and says '"it's ok" and climbs back in 😂
Have a friend who has one, its about 140 ft tall, its a nightmare, and really strange looking, its right beside his house so when a cone comes down and hits the roof, its like someone threw a 3 pound rock. Its going to be a real job to remove.thankfully there is a nice field next to it, that is if it falls the right way. wonder if the wood is any good.
Very similar tree was removed off a public footpath here NSW Oz. The Bunya bunya Pine. Both have spiky leaves, the Monkey has tighter grouping of leaves and the seed tips face upwards were as the Bunya points down. But they look the same and probably weight the same, and would kill you. If a coconut can produce a 2000 pound force on impact what can one of those cones do.
Living fossil, also the national tree of Chile. Here in New Zealand they were planted as decoration in the 1900s and are now massive specimens but boy do those leaves hurt should you ever stand on them in bare feet as i found out as a young kid...
Montana vs California. Natural vs ornamental. Sometimes; as we know, introducing a non native is a bad thing (CA). I don't consider it a tree (monocot). Make sense to me that a monocot sp. will not act as a dicot would when cut. You're right to use a crane or whatever. My rule of thumb …. anything the makes contact with a home must go (esp. a neighbor's). Some ideas are not meant to be born. When inventing one should consider all the variables (seek the opinion of others - non inventors). Hey have you completed any of the wood work you do?
I tried cheating, and went to that web address on the machine. The domain is up for sale. Looks like a roller, maybe for a grass or earth surface (such as a cricket pitch in England), if it has those tyres on the front wheels. Time to watch the rest of the video, and then very likely feel foolish! Edit: Close! Pleased to see you walk away from that job. Thanks Blair.
date palms aren't all that bad, people just aren't careful with date palms, when you put the date seed into the ground you are agreeing to all of the possibilities you have described.
Join you in hating them too Blair, worthless ugly palm, not worth the effort , they're messy, soil holders, just too much work for the small rewards we get to trim them.
i hate em, not for nz or oz" look ok on road side so can get buket to em, but they hurt people" had mate in hospital 3 days fit man but" was down cos of spikes" not worth the money! unless you got time
I think Palm Trees are a bad choice, they grow slow, the add nothing to the environment, they are just tough survivors, they become home for lots of pest and diseases, they are ugly looking, spiky, they fall down easily with wind, and the only reason I can imagine someone planting this tree is because either they want a very low-negligible maintenance tree or the climate it's too extreme, dry and hot.
Got to love the clients that are just *too busy* to be bothered to show up to their appointment times!!
Oh I agree with you wholeheartedly Blair, hate those things !
When I moved in my house in 1990 the first thing I noticed was that there was 15 of them around it! 😣
We bought the place and later I told my wife that I was going to take out the palms while they were small, about six to eight feet tall.
She didn't want to........ SO I didn't ! Now they are fifty feet tall and a real pain in the....... !! 😠
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
As a palm trimmer of many years in Phoenix AZ My professional standards on palms differ between species. I strived to leave Phoenix Dactylifera (date Palms) with a very open head, well over 90 degrees. It take a great deal of extra effort to remove fruit bearing structures as these will cause staining on driveways and sidewalks (as will fruit from other palms). The other two types of palms in AZ were Washingtonia Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm), and the Washingtonia Filifera (California fan palm, much larger in diameter, (fat=Filifera). The Mexican fan palms can be trimmed in June to a 45 degrees but the Filiferas should never be trimmed that hard, maybe 70 to 90 degrees. The Datalyfieras (date palms) should be trimmed earlier in the season and to never less than a 90 degree, preferably 120 degree angle. I did this for over a decade., thousands of Palms.
Stan Rodgers my hat’s off to you. Palms are dirty, dangerous and often have critters in them as well as yellow jacket nests.
" It's after 10 O'clock .......I'm outta here!" Lol. I guessed a roller for paths on a golf course. I have to cut down trees on the property myself today, not fun as it's still 95 in Florida but I love my battery powered saw!
Thanks for the video. Very informative. I was hoping to see you trim it so I could see the before and after shot, but your inserted pictures gave me what I needed. Thanks again!
It’s amazing and distressing how often I see terrible hack jobs performed by people who call themselves a tree service. I don’t blame you for running away from that job!
Mowing lawns around them on a windy day can be deadly. When you hear that thump on the ground just after you have done that section. Scary. When I worked for a cowboy "Arborist" (using that term loosely) He got a spine that went through the palm and out between thumb and forefinger. Yes couldn't pull it back out the way it went in either, but as the point was showing, I pulled it through with pliers. It was a huge wide spine. The poison put him of work for weeks. I react badly to them too, feels like you have the worst arthritis, get the same effect from Fan Palms too.
Blair, Date Palms?
You need to visit 50, or Hawaii.
Dates may weigh an ounce or so.
Coconut palms, you'd need car
repair, or cranial work, if one
dropped.
So, here I was. Sitting in my tiny
part of this 4-plex, right on Kaneohe
bay. (I could literally, take a short
fishing pole, and release the catch.
The weight would hit salt water, while
I was standing on my Lanai.) I heard
the "thump" of a coconut hitting the
sandy ground. Then I heard the
"THUMP" with a metallic sound, when
another coconut found a car.
Luckily, these palms drop their fronds,
when they are finished with them.
steve
I cant remember if I've mentioned it before, but I was put in hospital by a date palm frond when I was 10. The maintenance man at my school was trimming the date palms and a group of us boys started helping him by throwing the fronds into a bin. I threw one very hard, and a spike at the base speared my back into my scapula. Was very painful having that spike dug out of my back, I was very lucky that day not to have something more serious happen.
The small palm trees planted along the street are just foolish. I noticed one of them was right in front of a water utility I think it was. Talk about planning for the future. What planning!! And these guys get paid to draw up landscape plans for the city. Jeeesh... Good call on leaving that job in the dust. Thanks for the video.
I had 5 of these dates palms and hated every minute of owning them the spines will go through heavy leather gloves like a hot knife through butter. I have several scars on my arms and hands from these trees. I was so glad to have moved from the house that these were at. I will never own a date palm again. I feel your apprehension.
A ten on the ugly scale.....LOVE IT!!
They don’t get much worse
I wish you had taken the job. I'd like to see that sculpting process in action. Maybe next time you have the opportunity....
Auckland Starship hospital for children has, on a yearly basis, a large percentage of admissions caused by youngsters with penetrating wounds from the cast iron-hard spines of datus phoenix. Such wounds are painful and slow to heal, as you know, Blair. But ib children they can be catastrophic. Col NZ.
I am going to make a wild suggestion.
Chain mail as used by the knights of old in England will prevent those fronds from puncturing the body. You can get total body coverage thought it is expensive to have made it will protect you. The other option is check into fire fighter clothing though hot to wear they will provide exceptional protection.
You dont see these where I live so I have to admit I never gave them a minutes thought. Thanks for sharing this with us, I would have never asked and I would have never known if you hadnt mentioned them. Have a great weekend.
Years ago I bought a house with three baby ones. Immediately ripped out two of them. Laziness and other things intruded. Moved away. Years later I was back in the area. Number three was well on the road to disaster ville.
A current neighbor has planted a row of them in the front yard. Unbelievable!
RIP THEM OUT!
Great advice and pics on pruning the "pineapple" and smart move walking away from that especially nasty one, the tight location, the lack of maintenance. Dirty job, call Mike Rowe. Friends have had rats abandon ship from the canopy as they were cleaning the upper trunk. Hell to maintain but they can go for $300 per foot of trunk height. They can be magnificent on large estates.There are palm species native to California and Baja California. Heard of Palm Springs? If we got rid of all palms, the southern californians would miss wrapping the trunks in christmas lights
Omg those spines are HUGE I thought that poncirus trifoliate flying dragon had bad thorns but I think those palms got it beat!!!! Those are beautiful palms tho!
They should have never planted those palms in the sidewalk! btw... Palms are not trees... they're closer relatives to the grass family. love your videos!
Tree Time palm tree or palm grass? Humm.
@@arboristBlairGlenn Just palms my friend! The palm family forms, on its own, a distinct order (the Arecales) within the Commelinid clade of the monocots.
Tree Time I need a palm expert to add to this channel. Thanks!
@@arboristBlairGlenn I'm no "expert", just an arborist... fairly new to the channel and I love your videos Glenn, keep up the great work!
That machine is very cool!
I agree walk away more like run away! No matter how careful you are you always seem to get at least one small thorn prick. I found one more then 1" long broken off in the back of my hand hours after the job. I was lucky to pull it out but that arthritis feeling in my hand latest two days!!!
Very interesting, We don't have palms around here.
Here in New Zealand, in the upper North Island it was once considered fashionable in the early 1940s to have the kind of palms show in the video here (called Phoenix Palm here) planted along ocean beach frontages as decoration... Today the things are massive and come summer there will be someone who will suffer a really nasty injury from the spines. Sadly some people think they are great tree to plant in their city gardens and in no time the things have grown to a monstrous size and are shading out the light or the seeds they drop are germinating everywhere, especially your front lawn down the street (i removed two seedlings today that meant a large digging out job).... Yep... a hated tree sorry to say.
I have zero probs messing with hazard trees but the little lives in there,like maybe an eviction notice or something dook dook bingbong get out could be really bad for everything involved...to bad ya didn't get there 10 years earlier Blair great vid
ferrall derrall thanks
I worked on a veggie farm when I was 15. (not for very long) They had machines that straddled the rows and the pickers like myself sat in web sling type seats and grabbed the ripe veggies as we went by. FunTimes. not.
There is a fungus that was infesting these trees in SoCal. Pink Rot I think. Anyhow the bad pruners never clean their gear it it has spread into the nicer palms as well. Canaries are grief fer sure....you never lost money on the job you did not take! I had a friend who got a bone infection in his wrist from a bad stick while running the fronds through a chipper...tip first works; but the spines can get you bad that direction.
We had a local guy here that had a spine go into his thumb nail. Later on a mole appeared and it's believed he died from skin cancer as the mole grew and grew under his thumb. The strangest thing I ever heard.
How easy is it to transplant a Canary Island date palm? Mine is rooted into the ground THROUGH the pot. It’s about 4’ tall.
They transplant fairly easy
im glad we dont have any palms here in Ottawa Canada but i would trade snow for pain in the butt work anyday.
Some type of roller vibe compactor
An important point that trimmers seem not to know is that palm trees need to reabsorb the nutrients (especially potassium) from the older (dying) fronds to remain healthy. Cutting off fronds that aren't ready to fall off on their own is slow death to the palm tree.
LarryAT interesting, please give us more information. I have not heard this before. Is there an article you can give a link to please?
Sorry, I read this somewhere a few years ago. I'm not an expert, and can't find the article. In fact, every article I found said pruning yellowing and brown leaves is recommended. So any new information about palm tree nutrient reabsorbtion from drying leaves seems to have been ignored.
LarryAT if you find it, let me know. Thanks
Would love to see what the trunk wood looks like fresh cut.
It is very fibrous. I have easily over 20 of these on a property that i have recently bought, not as large as this one but one of them comes close.
how would plant a baby palm on the walk way??
it has to be at least 10 years old to clear the way
and never cut a green branch please
fahad fahad they seed themselves everywhere. Birds plant them too
I had to climb those by foot for 8 an hour in Yuma...u better climb good with one hand so u can use ur machete to cut the thorns so u can get into the tree... Those spines will puncher tracker tires..let alone ur eye
Jose Juan Jon respect!
@@arboristBlairGlenn I had no choice at the time I'm white but I worked with illegals and I worked with a 5' tall 75 yrs old Mexican fella..zero English..falls 15' to his back...gets up with blood from his nose and says '"it's ok" and climbs back in 😂
Road worker equipment o f some sort it's my guess
decies killing em, im ok with that"
disease? Why? You don't like palms?
Are you familiar with the monkey puzzle tree. It's equally awful
Have a friend who has one, its about 140 ft tall, its a nightmare, and really strange looking, its right beside his house so when a cone comes down and hits the roof, its like someone threw a 3 pound rock. Its going to be a real job to remove.thankfully there is a nice field next to it, that is if it falls the right way. wonder if the wood is any good.
Very similar tree was removed off a public footpath here NSW Oz. The Bunya bunya Pine. Both have spiky leaves, the Monkey has tighter grouping of leaves and the seed tips face upwards were as the Bunya points down. But they look the same and probably weight the same, and would kill you. If a coconut can produce a 2000 pound force on impact what can one of those cones do.
Living fossil, also the national tree of Chile. Here in New Zealand they were planted as decoration in the 1900s and are now massive specimens but boy do those leaves hurt should you ever stand on them in bare feet as i found out as a young kid...
My dog doesn't care for them either.
It looks like machine for road construction work.
Palms are beautiful but I absolutely hate 'em!
I hate doing any type of palm
05:34 ,... yep you are doing a good job de-advising them!
So... don’t plant these. They look pretty when dressed well, but..... forget it!
Montana vs California. Natural vs ornamental. Sometimes; as we know, introducing a non native is a bad thing (CA). I don't consider it a tree (monocot). Make sense to me that a monocot sp. will not act as a dicot would when cut. You're right to use a crane or whatever. My rule of thumb …. anything the makes contact with a home must go (esp. a neighbor's). Some ideas are not meant to be born. When inventing one should consider all the variables (seek the opinion of others - non inventors). Hey have you completed any of the wood work you do?
Moon rover motorcycle.
here date palms are dying because of the Rhynchophorus ferrugineus beetle :(
lawnmower?..;P
I tried cheating, and went to that web address on the machine. The domain is up for sale. Looks like a roller, maybe for a grass or earth surface (such as a cricket pitch in England), if it has those tyres on the front wheels. Time to watch the rest of the video, and then very likely feel foolish!
Edit: Close! Pleased to see you walk away from that job. Thanks Blair.
RWBHere some jobs just are not worth it.
my guess is a stump grinder
can do em but be very carefull"
date palms aren't all that bad, people just aren't careful with date palms, when you put the date seed into the ground you are agreeing to all of the possibilities you have described.
Until one gets stuck in your calf
@@arboristBlairGlenn yeah, thats true
Join you in hating them too Blair, worthless ugly palm, not worth the effort , they're messy, soil holders, just too much work for the small rewards we get to trim them.
Tree Buzzard but, ya gotta take all the jobs if you’re slow!
I hate them more and why oh why do people plant them in the gardens when young kids can run into them deadly spikes or pets for that matter....yuck
Guess what, They don’t have palms in Montana! They should feel sorry for you.
(Palms are not trees)
i hate em, not for nz or oz" look ok on road side so can get buket to em, but they hurt people" had mate in hospital 3 days fit man but" was down cos of spikes" not worth the money! unless you got time
Julian Alderson thanks for commenting
I think Palm Trees are a bad choice, they grow slow, the add nothing to the environment, they are just tough survivors, they become home for lots of pest and diseases, they are ugly looking, spiky, they fall down easily with wind, and the only reason I can imagine someone planting this tree is because either they want a very low-negligible maintenance tree or the climate it's too extreme, dry and hot.
I take it you’re not a fan of palms, Blair.
Nope, hate em