Video není dostupné.
Omlouváme se.
When YouTube Copyright Goes Absurdly Wrong
Vložit
- čas přidán 11. 02. 2022
- Just a crazy story about how CZcams Content ID and the copyright claim process can go badly wrong.
MORE WOODY PIANO SHACK
► PATREON bit.ly/woody_patreon
► CHANNEL MEMBERSHIP bit.ly/join_wps
► WEBSITE woodypianoshack.com
► PIANO INSPIRATION SERIES bit.ly/inspiration_welcome
► SUPPORT bit.ly/wps_support
► CHAT bit.ly/discord_woody
► TWITTER / woodypianoshack
► INSTAGRAM / woodypianoshack
► FACEBOOK / woodypianoshack
► TWITCH / woodypianoshack
► MUSIC woodypianoshack.bandcamp.com
Hi Woody, Adrian Scott here. I must admit, I am a fan of your channel. I would love to chat with you. Rest assured your Indian friend has no claim on my music. Feel free to send an iMessage. All the best, Adrian.
Hello Adrian, I think this is genuine, it looks like you in the avatar image... and I think you're from Oz, If so, wow, I'm humbled that you stopped by and I'd like to thank you personally for your involvement with the D-series synths and the incredible D20 demo song, that I used to play live when my band entered the stage... :D Well you already know the story here, hit me up on email if you want to get involved and need details, but honestly, I wouldn't want you wasting any of your time on it! All the best ❤️
@@WoodyPianoShack Adrian Scott in the comments?!?! This is the greatest twist to this story!!! Amazing!!!
CZcams’s Content ID system is embarrassingly broken.
Its just another form of monetization, if you know how to exploint it.
@@chrisliddiard725 Can the content creator exploit it first to preempt others?
@@adamrobinson8620 I don't think its chance. If they were honest they would not accept this. Only a level of dissonestly allows them to claim a copy right breech. So its more than likely a deliberate exploit. When was that song created, that would be your first clue, the song employs an old sound, is it as old as the tech used to create the song, is it post youtube? These are all questions that should be asked..
@@chrisliddiard725 I’m sure it’s deliberate, and really damaging. I’m partly interested because I was working on a concept for a channel, and this would kill it. I’m just looking for a way to fight back.
Actually it is not. It is a "mostly working" solution to a very difficult problem.
It mainly goes wrong with music that was not uploaded to content ID by the original author. In the case of public domain (classical) music, this is usually easy to solve. In my experience disputes in this case are in most cases resolved correctly.
The problem is contemporary music which is under copyright, but the original copyright owners don't manage it properly. In this case anyone can cheaply publish an own version using services like Distrokid or Soundrop and monetize all of CZcams.
There is no easy solution for this.
Just contact Roland and ask them to claim copyright on the indian video... Another way is to pitch tonality of the demo song more than 1 full tone without changing the tempo and youtubes database will not recognize the song anymore at all !
Curious, can potential ‘copyright holders’ still make claim? Like they did back in the 1990s with the use of samples in hip hop/electronica that were pitched and altered yet still recognizable? Beastie Boys ‘Paul’s Boutique’ LPcome to mind with all the sample litigation that came from it.
Then there is the similar style or compositional similarity copyright claims that have had legal merit and against some artists (Led Zeppelin, Katy Perry, et al). It’s all a murky mess which trickles down to everyone on CZcams using or playing music.
@Mediacoustics Multimedia Changing the pitch of a song used to work a long time ago. Channels used by DJs would post hundreds of song tracks with higher pitch all the time, but now, they are recognized too it seems. CZcams is quickly going to ruins with all of their moronic regulations, policies and unfair, politically biased censorship.
Roland wouldn't do this as its bound to open a whole other can of worms. They could just declare their demo material public domain, free for all to use. This really needs a human judge, not these automated buracrates.
@@HowlingMoonCinemas right on!
The irony of someone claiming copyright on a song they ripped off is quite amazing. But not a surprise. Try not to let this kind of bullshit get to you. You produce fantastic content and your fans will always support you in whatever way we can.
I got a copyright claim when I roasted my own track a while back, turns out that someone had stolen my track and released it under his own alias lol. The track I made is absolute garbage, the fact that some tragic human being thought it was worth stealing really says a lot about that person.
As more mentioned. Marcus Fuller was also hit by a similar scam including a Roland demo song. Whats missing from YT is the possibility to report fraudulent use of their copyright features....
Is this the reason why he isn’t posting much anymore?
@@skullhqx One of the reasons as far as I understand.
Angry, frustrated, disgusted.
I really feel for you and other people affected by these events.
Have you contacted Roland regarding the track or Adrian Scott himself? If it turns out the 'Artist' claims it is their own work could action by taken against this?
I'm sorry for you, as you make highly informative and fun videos which I'm sure myself and other viewers have and will continue to enjoy.
Best wishes, David
That would be a good idea, at least someone claims the rights on one other's work.
I WOULD BET my main daw, with a ryzen 5950x, 128Gb ram and 7000MB/s M.2 drive THAT the guy/guys BEHIND THIS, are THE SAME disgusting, ugly, miserables pieces of shit with 2cm long dicks, THAT SCAM millions of Americans with Amazon gift cards...directly from.... INDIA.
Because only dirty pieces of shit like that, who have the courage to scam 85yo ladies, would be strong enough to claim copyright rights on.. synth presets and demos.
So infuriating...!
I FULLY stand with you Woody! I've experienced several similar situations myself. I did a new remake and slight remix of Adrian's Leya's song a few years ago (Leya's Daughter) which got a similar claim - partially within the song. And the segment they claimed were NOTHING at all like the song they claimed it against! So I did what you did, and disputed hard! I wrote a lengthy "dissertation" on my song, the original from Adrian Scott/Roland and compared it with links etc to the crappy song (it was REALLY crappy too) they meant I had infringed. And luckily for me, it just disappeared. I even got positive comments and thumbs up on the song from both Adrian Scott and Penny Dyer who he used to record the doos and the line at the end of the original W-30 demo song! ;)
And so far, that's been the only copyright claim in this direction. I have on the other hand had many going the other way, where people steal or reupload my music everywhere. Everyone can use my music for their videos as long as the video is like this one, with talking, streaming games etc AND they credit the use of the music in the video and links in the description. Straight up stealing and uploading my content as their own - even if they just want to "help" me get more plays (as plays on someone else's channel would ever help me..?!? Djeez!)... is just not right! So I strike down hard on that.
Furthermore, I also had something else and strange happen recently. My Topic channel or Music channel if you will (from Distrokid releases) seemed to be hijacked or hacked by someone changing it from Anders Enger Jensen to Hannah Hilton! All my music was there to be found, but under Hannah's name. I noticed it before Christmas last year, and it took me a while to figure out what was happening. It escalated to the point that I got some notifications from Hannah Hilton (as it would be my topic channel actually) were going live one night. I was perplexed and wondered what the hell that was. And it was a seven hour long live stream about some crypto currency... and it was "The stream starts soon" for seven hours!
This of course triggered all my alarm bells and I knew something foul was at play. So I managed to get in touch with the CZcams team and talk to a guy called Michael - I was impressed, because you rarely ever get to talk to some real people in these big companies these days, right? Anyway, I did gather a lot of screenshots, urls and other data that I figured would help and submitted it to them.
What seemed to have happened, was that it's possible to spoof the links to youtube channels and I assume put placeholder channels instead of the one you're actually trying to find. Because searching for "Anders Enger Jensen" should give you my main channel AND the Topic/Music channel on the right column usually. And there my name was correct. When clicking on it, you first go to Hannah Hilton showing all my music and later on that was replaced with this crypto currency channel. So my music was actually intact and not affected, it was only the links being re-directed to this other channel. Kinda like telephone number or email spoofing that is.
It took just a matter of hours and suddenly, everything was right. So it seems Michael and the CZcams team did their job and took my case seriously. Thankfully! And hopefully this can be of use should you or other artists experiencing the same problems - links can be spoofed and they can redirect the traffic from your music.
Hope you get to resolve this case, it's highly infuriating by proxy. It's not lots of money but the damn principle. It's your content, and partly Adrian Scott/Roland's - not this Indian fella who I'm 100% sure did NOT get permission to use a factory demo as a backing track for his release! SMH!
This is what will ultimately kill CZcams if nothing is done about these 'claims'. One of my YT subscriptions is already questioning how long CZcams will survive.
This has been going on for years and despite YT being fully aware of it seem to have done nothing about it!
I have been accused of copyright infringement by CZcams's content ID program three times in total. However, all of them were wrong, and all of them were my original copyrighted works (my own compositions). Despite this, there was never a single apology from CZcams, they just mechanically kept me on standby for 30 days and mentally exhausted me for 30 days. Yes, it is exactly the same fact that you have experienced.
Nine years have passed since then, and I feel that the clunkiness of the Content ID program has not improved at all, in fact, it has only gotten worse. I have now given up publishing music on CZcams and have moved to SoundCloud. I'm giving up on CZcams and moving to SoundCloud because I can't trust garbage like the Content ID program.
Keep going Woody. Don’t give up! We love your channel.
A couple of points that I did not raise on the video -
1) In the claimant's defense, they might not know that their song uses material owned by Roland/Adrian. However, I made this very clear in my dispute and they still chose to uphold their claim. Lost in translation, or fraud?
2) These scams succeed because channel owners are intimidated and afraid to submit a dispute. Submitting a dispute with inadvertent incorrect information can result in the channel being terminated. Content creators probably don't have deep knowledge of copyright law and are understandably reluctant to take this risk, which is what the fraudsters take advantage of.
3) I have not contacted Roland because I do not want to waste their resources on an issue affecting my video. I have friends in Roland that are subscribed to the channel so they probably know about it now, if they weren't aware of it before.
4) Don't worry, I'm not too bummed out about this, I realise that there are bigger issues most of us have to face on a daily basis!
5) I apprecita your engagement in the comments. Because of my ignorance and lack of knowledge on copyright law I will not respond to comments this time. I will, as always, read them all. Thank you so much for your understanding! ❤️
I'd say Roland would be able to help, they must have a Copyright Team anyway, for the real reasons, and should be able to help as it is in their own interrest - you helped promote their gear :)
@@OctavianVesa I'd imagine they don't really have the ability to pursue and shut down some random indian singer from the 90s, perhaps not financially worth the effort. But I have a few great guys and girls from Roland who follow this channel, so they are aware of it now.
@@WoodyPianoShack I totally get that, they would need a lsrge team to fight trolls, however thay may help you with the permission to use the Roland synth tunes, which will deffinitely help your cause
@@WoodyPianoShack I don't think they need a whole team or much time either. Just a few lines from an official Roland (on behalf of Scott) email with a screenshot of that manual, and a standard cease and desist, and it's done. Don't forget that in this case, it's Roland who would decide over a dispute. After all, this Erik makes them no money and no publicity, unlike you.
Please don't diminish yourself; you may not be the largest synth channel on CZcams, but you're definitely more valuable to Roland than an author that steals their copyrighted material, claiming it "their own", and has only 39 views on a video. I'm sure videos you created helped drive sale of Roland's products (directly or indirectly).
Report them to Roland
Even just as a listener it feels frustrating to repeatedly see great content creators have to deal with this non-sense on and on again. Can not even imagine how frustrating and outrageous the creators themselves must feel. And even big channels like Rick Beato have not managed to fight the broken system.
One option I am missing in your video though: how about contacting Roland or Adrian Scott, because I think they are ripped off even more than you are. Anyway, keep up the great work!
Agree with you! Copyright protection lasts for the life of the author plus an additional 70 years. So Scott and Persing still hold their CP. Roland and/or CZcams should enforce these infringements more active.
Thanks for highlighting this issue. I’ve received copyright strikes when I’ve used GarageBand loops in tutorial videos. Fought them and won, luckily. I won’t be surprised if I get more in the future.
Something that might help is if Roland were to add their demo songs into ContentID and then make claims against the folks who are erroneously claiming copyright on their content; that gives the lawyers something to take action on, and also if they then (rightfully) copyright-claim your video, the stacked claims mean that the money and control get split. And maybe Roland could use that to shut down the fraudulent copyright claims.
But yeah this is a huge problem; I’ve had many of my own completely-original videos get monetized or removed by third parties because they had a drum beat that was close enough as a match, or because they owned the performance rights to a public domain song that I’d also performed. My solution to that was to just delete most of my videos in protest back when this nonsense first started, which ended up being a huge mistake for my own channel stats. Oh well.
This is why we can't have nice things. Can't even show a synth without being attacked by a random record label that don't even own the copyright. And CZcams does absolutely nothing about it, countless videoes on this topic, and nothing has been done to provide "the little guy" any chance of winning against the scammers. It's disgusting.
Rest assured, its not about the rom demo. This happens even on fully original music. The system is just too easy to abuse, anyone can claim anything. I get claims on videos every now and then even though I only upload 100% original content. No one has ever dared to escalate when claim is countered though. As long as CZcams's default stance is to side with the fraudulent claimers by default nothing will change. Guilty until proven innocent.
A classic one that I recall was when a synth channel did a simple filter sweep to demo the filter on an analog synth review video. That got flagged and claimed bc a record from the '70s (iirc) opens with a generic (but novel at the time) synth filter sweep.
I think the channel might have been Sonic State.
Algos are only as smart or uncorrupt as the people writing them (or rather, paying for them).
I'd love to see gov step in to make YT and other social platforms put together more fit-for-purpose Terms of Use, a correct enforcement of good copyright law, including Fair Use/Fair Dealing exemptions, and with reasonable and proper rules around conflict and conflict resolution.
Too many people are routinely screwed over by ambiguous and yet draconian rules, with opaque, ignorant and callous rules around counter-claiming and rebuttals that always seem to be easy for the dishonest to exploit.
Yeah I've had this happen before also on an ambient synth piece I completely improv-ed and they told me it sounded like a video that didn't sound like it one bit but I lost so I took my video down.
False strikes should be prosecuted as fraud with jail time for the fraudsters.
This has all led to absolutely absurd stylistic blossoms. Play a classical piano piece and you get a copyright warning because someone used it as background music in some weird movie. But you also have to see that censorship goes much further in other subject areas.
It's high time to replace YT with something else. With the so-called social media, we see the same crap day after day.
Hi Woody, sorry to hear about this as I really enjoy your channel.
Contact Roland, as others have said, for them to pursue their own copyright claim. But don't leave it there. Suggest collaborating with Roland on a series about all their demo songs. Those of us of a certain age get nostalgic for them so it would be popular. You could look at the musical merits of the tracks, particularly the careful arrangements. What patches were used. How they juggled polyphony. Etc..
Yep, it could well throw up more instances of 'borrowing ' but that would be for Roland to deal with. And, who knows, Roland might loan you some classic gear for the project.
I had (still do in storage) a D10 and U220 back in the day so remember the demo songs fondly. The D10/20 has an insane version of Flight of the Bumblebee, if I recall. Kind of miss them on modern workstations.
Hope you get it sorted and remember your hard work, knowledge and enthusiasm are much appreciated.
I really like this idea. Get someone who can possibly reach the actual troll for legal punishment, rather than just one video or facade channel at a time.
Seeing Woody chat with someone like Persing would also be pretty cool.
Fantastic idea, If its done with the express permision of Roland and its trips another one of these copy right claims, it would expose the scammers, Lords knows how many others they have ruled against, In fact i wonder if their track was created from the get go, with this in mind.
Its even worse on TikTok. People constantly 'remix' a video using audio from someone else's video - and while this is encouraged, there are times the original audio IS copyrighted. A lot of the time the 'remixer' claims to be the originator of the audio and do not even mention the holder of the copyright or artist whose track was used. There currently does not seem to be any accountability for content.
The more people know about these strange claims, the better. The legal department from YT has to wake up. Don't stop creating videos, Woody!
Don't let them take it. You absolutely must either take the video down or re-upload with that music segment muted. Otherwise you're effectively supporting a broken system by letting them control and monetise other people's content - thereby helping to ensure that YT's and the claimant's shi**y behaviour continues to be rewarding.
A couple of years ago I had a copyright match on a music video I made for one of my own compositions. However in this instance the alleged copyrighted material was the video itself, which used scenes I had borrowed from a film which was in the public domain. The alleged copyright holder had also made a video using some of the same footage from the same public domain film and was trying to pass it off as their own property. I challenged the copyright claim and CZcams in its wisdom sided with the false claimant. I ended up having to remake and re-upload my video without the scenes that occurred in the other party's video. I still used footage from the same public domain film, just not the same parts that had been used in the other video. This time it did not trigger a copyright claim. Absolute madness.
Id contact Roland / Adrian to see if this indian company obtained permission to use their demo song. I am highly doubtful they would have done so
Yeah. I would drop a dime on those guys.
You would contact WHO at Roland?
But it won't change anything... The YT rules are broken, allowing for this kind of actions...
@@andymerrett So exactly who in Roland PR? You claim "it's not hard", so you obviously have experience in this. Thanks in advance.
At least CZcams shows you who is claiming copyright and shows you which song they have uploaded that disputes your copyright. I recently uploaded a song to tiktok, self-made and original. No samples and all me. It got a copyright claim after a few seconds after upload. But tiktok won't disclose who is claiming copyright on my song, or what other upload they have that proves their claim. I had to take my song down. It's supposed to be a automated copyright check process, but it's clearly flawed. I don't have any fans or any audience anyway, so it's really odd that my music, a tiny speck amongst all the sounds & noise in the universe would be subject to this.
Incredible!
Look at it from a positive point of view.
You've done so well, that even the machines will be
thought it was the original of an original!!! :)))
Back in 2016 when I joined a band to play guitar, the other guitarist recorded a private CZcams video of him playing my part in one of the songs as a quick way for me to learn it. He got struck with a copyright claim on his own music, for a private video, that iirc didn't even have the full song as the backing track.
CZcams has been declining for a long time now. Idk if you have other channels like on Rumble, Odysee, or other alternative video channels but CZcams can't sustain like this. Either way hope you get everything sorted!
I was just hit by a claim a week ago on my new channel. I create original lofi tracks, and one of the Apple loops I used in a track was claimed by 'Believe Music'. Those loops are copyright free, and I disputed the claim which was quickly rejected. I knew their claim was false, so I stuck my guns and appealed their rejection. A few days later I got the youtube email that Believe Music dropped the claim. My channel isn't monetized, but it was all about the principle for me. The system is definitely broken!
During the pandemic I uploaded many online church services and got many of these ridiculous claims, mostly for hymns written in the 18th and 19th century, and submitted by obvious scammers. The system is hugely broken and CZcams needs to do something about it ASAP. I'm with those who suggested you approach Roland, or indeed Adrian directly. Good luck, mate - don't let the bastards grind you down!
I uploaded music that I composed and was my original content, and some rude individual decided to copyright my song since I never got my music protected or published to a record company, so they claimed my OWN music and then decided to strike my channel
Even heavy weight YT:ers like Rick Beato are struggling with the ridiculous content claim system, what chance have "smaller" channels like yours. It is just not right that when disputing it is up to the claimant to agree. It should be a YT responsibility.
What happens if you claim a CZcams video as your own? 😂
Markusfuller the synth repair guy recently made a video of a similar scam copyright claim he received over a Yamaha built in demo song…
CZcams is weird. It can also not recognize, when a record is done 1930 and messes this with a later version.
Roland’s lawyers will be coming after the copyright scammers…
A drummer buddy of mine had a D10 that he would let me use for gigs until I bought my own XP10. We loved listening to the ROM songs and would play them while plugging things in for the nights’ show. One night we were driving around our town of Bismarck, and heard the now-familiar intro of the “Latin sounding” ROM song, by Amin Bhatia, on the radio as a jingle for a local Mexican restaurant! We were flabbergasted! They didn’t even bother to change it in any way. Lazy! This was back in the late 80’s and we should have turned them in to the publisher! Oh well. Live and learn. 😆 Love your videos, Woody! ❤️
Markus Fuller just put out a video of an identical copyright claim he got for featuring a Yamaha PSR-3000 demo song. Similarly, the claimant had just sang over it. One can speculate, why there are all of a sudden so many artists singing over old synth demo songs...
they've been doing it for years, but their labels have just recently discovered content ID!
I don’t think there is anything I can add that others haven’t already written. But good on you for calling this out. It’s ridiculous.
CZcams's always bushing dumb features under the guise of helping small creators. Meanwhile they have no interest when small creators actually run into problems.
I learnt from christian henson this week , that yt doesnt search for profanities after the first minute. Your composure is admirable in the face of acute frustration. If you're ever in Adelaide, Australia, we will have a beer. Keep on wooding.
would love that!
It is very frustrating.!
I've had a number of copyright claims against my videos over the years, however I have always disputed them and won.
Keep up the fantastic videos pal.
Markus Fuller had the same issue with Yamaha.
This sucks. CZcams could easily put some energy and money into improving their system to decrease scams like this one. I'm glad you told the story. It motivated me to send you a monthly token of support through Patreon. I value what you do - thank you! 🙂
funny thing, youtuber markus fuller has the same problem with a yamaha keyboard demo song, he had a chat with one of the people who was high up in yamaha, and the response markus got, was that Yamaha programmed the demo song and owns the copyright. So it might be worth getting in touch with Roland and see what they say about these fools, and then get youtube involved.
This also happened to one of my CZcams videos. A copyright claim was made on part of the soundtrack even though it was generated with a random note generator in my DAW. Truly amazing !
lol, that's astonishing. well just goes to show that it is notoriously hard to write an algorithm that is truly random!
This is why automation is risky business. Removing the human element of copyright enforcement makes it so easy for the wrong person to be getting recognition for a thing just because “they uploaded it first,” regardless of ownership. 🤦
Keep doing what you’re doing Woody! This algorithm-based digital world we’re in is still in its adolescent stages, but I believe in your integrity and passion for synthesizers and synth music will win out over the scammers in the end!
Is automation the issue? It seems rather that it is now people making claims on everything, knowing that it is just too hard to fight them and a lot of people will just let it go. They will make money for nothing.
CZcams is apparently assuming any claim is right. What would be interesting is if copyright holders were to sue CZcams for unpaid royalties, regardless of what they have paid to others. Ie give them some skin in the game to work out validity of claims before honouring them.
Or CZcams could take down disputed videos until the parties agree, rather than just paying the fake claimant. This might remove the financial reward to make fake claims.
I had Roland D20 back in 1990, I still have floppy disks of songs I had sequenced in 90's
This stupid system needs changing, sounds like these are the same people who phone you up and tell you your computer has a virus, and demand money to fix a machine which is working normally
Been there, I had one complain that a drum track was the same... for about 4 seconds... It was a preset loop in garage band. I was so frustrated I just removed the video. I agree the system has to be fixed but I sadly doubt YT/Google will take the time. I really don't think they care at all about creators, at least anymore. You are not in this alone. Keep the faith... Citizennerd...
Such a sad case of the talentless ripping off the talented. Don't stop. Your videos are so entertaining and informative.
The problem with this system is that the claimant gets to be the judge and jury on the disputes. Disputes should ideally go to a third party that independently verifies the claim. Money earned in that time should be withheld and paid out once the whole thing is cleared up.
The thing here is that CZcams/Alphabet gives the impression of protecting the copyright owners frantically but in the same breath not making anything to ensure that anyone who claims the copyright actually owns it. The revenue of the videos these processes create still feeds Alphabets wallet just the same as if there wore no issue at all, so all in all claiming that you really care about the copyright owner and then actually not protecting them when it comes to real cases just shows how little CZcams/Alphabet actually cares about the problem!
Happened to me with a cover I did of Popcorn by Gershon Kingsley based on the Hot Butter version. A company called Adhsare (Publishing) is claiming copyright, and that my video actually uses a song's melody called Quiero Amanecer by (Pacho Galan Y Su Orquesta Musica Tropical De Colombia). I fought it through the normal youtube channels and they eventually dropped it. I even found a copy of the sheet music of the song they claimed I was using and it wasn't even close to Popcorn. I agree the Content ID is so open to fraud and scammers and CZcams makes it difficult to complain when its obviously just a scam. CZcams assumes their AI is perfect and the company or person making the copyright claim must be right or why would they make a claim.
I'm sorry to hear this Woody. That's a really shitty situation .
This happened to me a few years ago as well and I eventually had to remove the video completely or have some leech continue to make money from my track.
The worst part about CZcams's horrendously bad copyright claim system, is that even if I wanted to use it (which I don't), an indie artist such as myself, does not qualify to use the claim system but full blown fraudsters appear to have absolutely no problem getting accepted by CZcams. Once they've started defrauding people, good luck on getting CZcams to act.
Happened to me too some years ago. Made a tutorial video using a Native Instruments Demo riff (not even an entire song). Two years later I got struck with a dubious song that had been released two years after (!) my tutorial video. If anything I could have hit them! Appealed it, no chance. Tried to get Native Instruments involved, they couldn’t care less. So I deleted the video (no money for skimmers) and have never produced another tutorial video since. End of story. Sad really …
Recently 'Markusfuller' got strike for playing Yamaha keyboard demo song...absurdly it was not claimed by Yamaha.
Google are just interested in money. They aren't going to spend time putting things right until there are thousands of complaints. Eventually, it will get sorted. On the plus side, this has made me look further into the D-20. These synths are a bargain!
Hi Woody, as a subscriber to your channel from the early days, I have enjoyed countless hours watching and learning from you and your videos.
Please don't get discouraged and let's all your subscribers help you do something in this case or others that may come up. I'm sure we could come up with something like everyone submitting a copyright clam on the other crowd's song, or all write a letter/email/petition to Roland so either they make a claim on that or at least them (or the original creator) to give you explicit permission to use it on your channel - that way the other side can't make any claim, as you have the proof.
You're too important for a lot of people around here to give up, and this time you have other people behind you!
* Update: That video is more likely a scam, as the channel has a single video (Joined Feb 4, 2022), if this was a legit company they would have a proper channel and more videos. *
Google makes crime a profitable business, it seems.
I remember, if I'm not mistaking, a case where someone sang over an original composition of a CZcamsr and then claiming the copyright.
I do think the core of the matter is (sloppy) AI is doing the job and the big company won't spend labor hours to the mistakes and abuse of this AI. We admire what AI can do and forget the wrongs it does. Compare it to car traffic. In the beginning we were happy we could go everywhere quickly, but in the sixties the number of casualties in traffic became an issue, bringing safety regulations in the seventies. Google still are in the fifties-sixties in this. Government rules will be necessary.
Sorry to hear about this. Sounds like discussions about patent trolls on programmer forums like Hacker News or Slashdot.
Like many people here have suggested, I would contact Roland 100%. You have contacts within Roland who let you borrow gear in the past. I’m sure they can point you in the right direction. Don’t let these scumbags take ownership of anything.
We are in the same boat. It happens to me for my own original written and played music on my channel. Even for the $1, I simply edit and re-upload. Yes, I lose some views, but that's how I plan to fight back to scams.
This is extremely common with the Apple iMovie stock songs. I was excited when I got access to a Mac and copied all these songs I heard in videos, but when I tried using them myself they got claimed. And I don’t think it’s really a scam, it’s just the result of some lazy artists and a copyright id system not caught up to the realities of using royalty free assets that resemble whole songs. The lazy artists are fully entitled to use the iMovie and GarageBand songs just as much as I am, but because they went and released their version through proper channels, content id now thinks they own it.
This happened to me once, from the same country too, but in my case the song was totally my own production so I appealed and won.
you're right, this is a shame. More people need to say this. CZcams must stop this fraud quickly
I recall State Azure had exactly the same thing going on some time ago. He successfully disputed though. Can’t remember the details. In any case, this is exactly why I dread posting my music on YT. And I’m just a noob with music creation. It’s sad CZcams can’t get this right, as it’s so obviously and blatantly a scam. Keep up the good work Woody. We love and appreciate you and your content!
That's why I hate CZcams and Google. 😠
Since they forced ads in my videos, without asking, they now are like greedy crooks.
I’m also a musician and one of my tracks almost reaches 400.000.000 views on CZcams. You won’t believe how many ridiculous claims we got on this one. Even though it’s all original content. As soon as they smell money, they’re on it like vultures. Even got a claim for using a sample I’ve purchased on Splice.
nice views, yeah I hear a lot of library samples and loops are illegitimately claimed.
I feel your pain. This copyright sh*t is wicked. I had some of my videos 'demonetized' as well. But since I don't have any income from YT, it means that my subscribers have to watch Ads and some other bastard will benefit from it. This is fundamentally wrong. Wish you can get enough income from membership and other sources, other than video monetization to make it a bit easier to handle.
What a Drama Woody! I saw many copyright claims and troubles, but this is ridiculous to the max. Sorry for you to struggle this… 😢😢
Woody this happens quite often to me when I record a traditional melody that appears in collections from the 1700's. Then bang, I get a copyright claim as some other artist has recorded the same traditional melody and copyrighted it. I then have to through all the rigmarole of having to dispute the claim. I can fully understand your frustration as we put hours and hours into making videos and then this crops up.
Couldn't agree more. I got copyright flags on 300 year old folk songs. This "intelligent" content ID algorithms thing is simply ridiculous.
God Bless you Woody... it is so frustrating how stupid a platform could be no matter how big they are.
Nooo, don’t let them close you down Woody I’ve only just found you and it’s awesome.
Truly getting sick of these random folks claiming things to don't own... I hope Roland or Adrian goes after them as well!
been watching the channel for a few years now ,the content and videos u have produced is so good and inspiring to me ,i hope u will continue with it and move on from
those claims good luck moving foward !!!!
I’m seeing so many stories like yours, and it’s so frustrating. Google/YT don’t seem to want to fix the system. Hang in there!
I've had this done to me before. I used a preset drum pattern in a program called RMX Stylus and some dance band try to do the same thing to me. I contested it and they backed down. It's really frustrating!!
I feel for you and all your fellow youtubers. It's just a huge shame that this is taking over youtube. Seen it on several channels now... :(
Do hope you can keep on doing your videos on your channel cause i enjoy them. Best wishes.
Wow - nice to know - I was not aware about this kind of crap.... Thank you for making it public!!!
Keep going Woody, dont Let a scammer win. CZcams also has liability supporting this kind of scam. Its very clear your explanation about this indian singer using the D-20 Demo song. In any case, Roland would be the only one who could claim the rights.
This is so sad and frustrated very ironic ,so sorry to hear that as if am hearing a story from a magic world where there everything could happen as in their movies.
Dude, I was going to start posting my own music. I made a complete new remaster from scratch of the Yamaha PSR-48 Demo. Well, I posted the original demo just so people could hear the difference. And it kept detecting it as the song of some Mexican band. I went to listen to that song, and it was night and day, not even close to sounding the same. I clicked on appeals, and well, here were my options:
1. Appeal on the grounds that I DO have permission from the Label to post this song
2. Appeal on the grounds that I don't have permission from the label, but have some other permission overriding it
There was NO 3rd option: "Appeal on the grounds that your stupid algorithm made a mistake, and the song is not even remotely related". So with that, I gave up on posting my music, and deleted all my original work. Phuck CZcams.
Hats off to you Woody! Fight on, Fight on! We gave this video a plug on Ranzee's show earlier today. we are trying to do our little bit to fight back against the bots and algorithms with #FFS22.
that's cool, thx andrew!
Feeling this emotion fella, some folk are entirely bankrupt in the moral department. Keep on keeping on old chap. I respect large companies not wanting to get involved as it would end up being incredibly expensive to police every instance of a dispute regarding their material. That being said it would be nice to see them wade in now and again to support folk who actually do a lot to promote their brand and products, whether vintage or contemporary.
Google/CZcams should start enforcing consequences for those abusing the system, just as they make it difficult for anyone on the wrong end of a copyright claim. On the other hand, they can't even manage spam accounts in the comments... it's sad that channels with original, educational, and inspiring content lose the energy to continue. Stay strong!
If Google/CZcams didn't have this "system" there would be no need to "enforce" any consequences bacause there would be no system to abuse, now would it...? The problem here is (and always was) Google/CZcams with it's ridiculous rules/policies and censorship!!
@@conan5885 hardly censorship since Google isn't a government entity.
It's been forced upon them by various rights holders and legislation. Their implementation is another thing, but given the scale we're talking about, the option would probably just be banning/blocking any material right away with a poor experience for both users and creators.
I remember this happened to Paul David as well but the irony was an Indian woman stole his music from one of his own videos and sang over the top of it then copyright claimed the original Paul David video.
Feel your anguish matey . . . Hope you carry on, and somehow put this behind you and not to find future issues coming your way like this! Good luck and carry on
Reminds me of Joe Meek who never got any money from his songTelstar because somebody else claimed rights to the music. Apparently a court decision gave Joe ownership of the song after he had killed himself.
I have seen Rick Beato videos where he describes the same type of abuse of the copyright system that is affecting you.
In the past workers would form a union. Apparently CZcams content provides need a mechanism to gain strength in numbers.
Well put man ! Im also hearing this type of claim more and more… :(
I went through my videos, and discovered that a video I'd uploaded (as a private video) of me participating in a rehearsal of two local music groups performing "Rule Britannia" (which was written in 1740 and well out of copyright) had a copyright claim against it. Since I don't "monitise" my videos and I have no following (I use CZcams as a mechanism to share videos with friends), I have nothing to lose, so I've put in a dispute. I think it's worth disputing claims that are clearly bogus, just to make sure that the gears of the mechanism don't seize up in favour of those who make such claims. What I find interesting are the videos that I make that do contain copyright material, and yet no claims are made. It sometimes seems to be a bit of a lottery.
Looks like CZcams has to improve their system quite a lot.
Yep. Some album has done the same with production music I’ve used in some of my videos, and I get claims because of using royalty free production libraries. Get a backup distribution system and be prepared. :)
Woody! Thank you for this video. Completely feel your frustration. Stay strong.
Just a support comment, Woody.
This situation is absurd!
Love your videos and hope you will not stop your work on CZcams.
You're not the only one getting a copyright claim for a filter sweep.
I feel your frustration, Woody. Very pesky situation indeed.
Woody, I use to look at the copyright hits on our church stream a few years ago (5+). I wouldn't always stream the worship music and only stream the invitation I would get copyright hits on public domain music. This whole system is automated and messed up bad. Very little power is given to uploaders... and if you do appeal, you have a chance of getting a strike on your channel if you loose. I think there needs to be a more thorough process for people to claim copyright.
Indeed it is very sad when people call out these claims , especially when it is truly a claim from someone who does not have the intellectual rights to make such claims. I think the best thing to do is to rise above and move on. Just keep doing what you do best Woody.
exactly my plan! cheers :)
It’s a lot of work but getting permission to use this music from the actual copyright owner Adrian Scott would be a great move. Having him submit a copyright claim against the guy who is simply singing over the top would be great.
If the stars are in alignment, Adrian Scott will be completely behind you and against the people trying to make money from simply ripping off a demo song and claiming it as their own.
nice try, but even if I had permission from adrian, the scammers would still come after me and I can't appeal their claim.