Can imagine how well this bike performs. My 107 with the CR483 is awsome and the sound with the Freedom radius pipes is great too. Love these videos. 👍
Hi 👋, I am new to your channel, awesome content, great that you show assembly, as best as you could, Great looking and selling pipes, But I have always been into two into ones , I Pass my bike test in the late 60 in the uk , I am on my 4th HD 1200 sportster , FXR , then I purchased a new DEUCE back in 2000, upgrades to 1550 , sadly I had to sell it in 2019, 48,T + , I had been scammed by my ex female partner, So I moved to France, I have just bought a 2003 DEUCE, it needs a lot of work on it, it hasn’t been written for as part of a year, At least it will give me something to do , Look forward to seeing some more of your up-and-coming reviews and upgrades , I do wish I was back at work and need some pennies, From France.
Great video, awesome bike and nice work on the build, that cam is awesome as its the same I have had fitted a couple of weeks ago in my Breakout, pulls like a train. The guys at Darling Downs Harley are a great team.
I am constantly told two into one exhaust is better for torque and horsepower but I to have the big radius V&H on my stage II, I just like the look and sound, form over function I guess, nice build!!!
Love the content and checking in from time to time for some inspiration….you’ve got this performance thing locked down 🤘 congrats on hitting 10k!! It’s interesting to see someone else’s process for building a motor being a master tech myself, which leads me to one question…I noticed you used blue loctite instead of red on the cam gear bolt and the pinion gear bolt, is there any specific reason? Keep up the awesome work 🤘
Its more than capable of keeping it tight. In my 15 years I've only ever had 1 issue with a cam bolt. It had broken but I didn't work on that bike. It came in to us with a noise on the cam chest. Not sure why it broke. I've obviously done many cam swaps on bikes I've put cams into & every time I undo the bolts they're tight.
Seems like I remember there was a run of those cam retention kits that were breaking the cam bolt, we saw a few at our shop. Cool, like I said it’s just interesting to see someone else’s process when building a motor. Keep killin it dude 🤘
Another awesome build with impressive numbers. The breakout is a brawler of a bike and that one has some major attitude I really like that air cleaner too, which one is it?
Can you explain (in small words for me please) the practical difference between the V&H Big Radius 2-2 Exhaust system and the Freedom Exhausts you mentioned that gives a boost in HP for the latter. On the outside, they look very similar: both 2 into 2, both short and that's about it.
The V&H Exhaust systems are 2 individual pipes. The Freedom Exhaust systems have a balance pipe between then about 3/4 of the way down. This balance gives an advantage similar to having a 2-1 system.
The Coatings on piston skirts is there to add protection during cold starts. That's it. If the piston to bore clearance is in spec & the engine is being serviced regularly the coating should last a very long time
No benefit whatsoever from a gear driven cam set. The argument about 'tighter timing' & the rest of it is just straight up nonsense. The amount of stack up tolerances & deflection in the valve train renders that argument irrelevant. As for the fact of wearing out chain tensioner shoes, well that too is just a selling point for gear driven cams to pounce on. Regular servicing these chain driven sets last for over 100,000km. There are many different conditions that may accelerate the wearing out of parts but I can you now, after 15 years with Harley's I've only has 1 issue with a cam chain breaking & it was on a stock Twincam. Sure I've seen tensioner shoes wear out but those too where on the early Twincams with the spring loaded shoes.
After the big motor and cam.. rockin toque for the riding areas. Who cares about what it’s doing at 6k Nobody riding up there usually unless racing and trying to get that little edge out on your buddy
No. I prefer to just vent the trans cover. You can then decide to put normal bolts in place of where the breather bolts go & let it all breath through the trans cover. Or, you cam vent the trans cover & leave the breather bolts installed as the vented trans cover relieves the pressure across the engine & greatly reduces the oil misuse recirculation
In your opinion would it be a cheaper or more economic option to install the HD 135 crate engine, & selling the stock unused 117 , I've thought of doing this here in the UK 👍
Depending I suppose. I've never say down & worked out the numbers. I know for sure the SE 135ci Crate motor would need a cam swap in case to get close to this.
It been while , i just finished 128 with my cam change from 475 S&S to a 515 CR with springs also changed my throttle body from the 55 to 6.4 and 6.2 injectors . And changed my air cleaner to the HD high flow SE , and a Khrome Works 2into one outlaw . Only got 140 torque 132 hp , i had 147 tq with 475 S&S. Not sure what is going on , the tuner he was not sure himself . It is very fast a lot better than the 475 .
Are you QLD local ? Take your bike to him, I reckon he will get the best possible performance from it for you, or tell you what to to do. Maybe call him , Darling Downs Harley Davidson Toowoomba. He's getting alot of interstate clients from Vic, and NSW.
Not sure what the customer paid for the wheels? The rear is a genuine Turbine wheel out of the Screamin' Eagle catalogue & the front is a 23" Turbine replica.
Mastertech Miller, what cam would you recommend for really good horsepower and torque for a screaming eagle 131 build with some heads done with chrome two into one exhaust
Hey Tommy, what’s your experiences with fuel use after a cam and tune? I’ve got a 117 CR483 and 6.2 injectors. Even when riding sedately I’m using about 9L/100km so would this be resolved through more tuning or is it just part and parcel with increased power.
@@MasterTechMiller I’m in Sydney and a 20 hour round trip to come see you is a bit hard right now.. yes I expected it to be worse on fuel on if I was on it all the time but the same if not better when riding normally
@@MasterTechMiller Hey Tommy, case solved! I installed baffles (VH Eliminator 300) after my initial tune and it was playing havoc with the AFRs hence the poor fuel economy! We got it dyno tuned again today, got ~10-15ft lbs between 2200 - 3500rpm (mainline dyno) and my AFRs are spot on again.
With the price of a new Breakouts they should come straight from the factory like that. But like most other Harleys you have to spend even more thousands them to get the best performance out of them. 🤔😏
The S&S flywheel is constructed much stronger than the OEM Flywheel. That's why we went that way. The customer plans to give it a hard time. The OEM Flywheel is fine to run in 131ci applications but only as long as its a gently ridden.
@@MasterTechMiller that leads me to a follow-on question… if purchasing a 2019 Road Glide with only 2,000 miles on the odometer and a 131 stage 4 upgrade installed, should I be cautious of the factory flywheel or any other recommended weak points before purchase?
@user-os1mm8to6l There is no way of ever knowing how the bike has been treated or ridden it whole life. Whether it's a 131ci or a Stock 107ci, if it's had a hard life you're still taking a gamble no matter what. I would be mainly concerned if it's a late model 2019 bike or an early model 2019. The later model 2019 bikes 10th month onwards have the 8 lobe oil pump in them.
@@MasterTechMiller I am not being a smart ass, I am simply asking how many miles would be expected? It is not like the engineers are caring about longevity they care about the #'s it produces to make the customer happy.
@8mywal8 these pistons are manufactured by MAHLE. A leading & very reputable manufacturer. The pistons are absolutely fine & they will last in excess of 100,000km. I will convert that to American. To calculate this, we first need to know the length of a cheeseburger. Let's assume a typical cheeseburger is about 15 centimeters long (half a cheese burger) Then, we can calculate: 100,000 km = 100,000,000 meters Now, we'll convert the length of a cheeseburger to meters: 15 centimeters = 0.15 meters Now, we can find out how many cheeseburgers would cover 100,000 km: 100,000,000 meters / 0.15 meters per cheeseburger = 666,666,667 cheeseburgers So, it would take approximately 666,666,667 cheeseburgers laid end to end to cover a distance of 100,000 km.
This review is not complete! WE THE "COMMENTERS" NEED TO RIDE IT FOR A AFTERNOON! Only then will "we" know the truth, LOL! By the way, I would buy it just for THE LOOKS AND THE WHEELS. Personally I worry about "engine OIL HEAT" on all such engines over 110C.I. I am concerned about huge air cooled engine and engine temperatures. That said PLEASE MAKE ONE OF THESE FOR ME.
I'd love to build you a combo! The M8 engine platform has oil cooled heads as I'm sure you are aware of? The cooling is concentrated around the exhaust valves of the heads to help extract the heat as best it can. Also the oil volume of the M8 platform is much higher than the Twincam models. Approximately 4.6ltrs compared to the 3.5ltrs found in Twincam touring models. The VVT M8 platform has water cooled heads that has priority flow to the rear head. A revised & better design than the non VVT M8
Not sure if you're having a dig at my choice of music for the video or if you're having some sort of dig at my workmanship? Either way, it's been very windy here lately & all my spare 'S**TS to give blew away.
Always enjoy what you're building. Love that massive chop sound. Thank you for sharing these builds and your knowledge.
Glad you enjoy it!
Yeah top job Tommy, that Breakout sounds amazing mate.
Missed these build videos been to long....
May all your days be Harley days
💪🖤🧡🖤💪
Safe travels 🙏♥️🐾🐾🇦🇺
Thanks for watching & being patient 🙏
gotta love that 483 chop , puts a smile on my face every time i ride
It's a winner!
Thank you, it’s was most appreciated.❤
Thanks for watching 👍
Amazing machine
This one is bad ass Tom, love the breakout.
Great video as always.
You have a great channel. Your clients are lucky to have youm
Awesome, great vid and massive torque! Way to go 👍
Thanks for watching 👍
Great job on the new format. Truly enjoyed this video. Thank you Sir!!
Thanks for watching!
That is a work of art. Beautiful iron horse
Can imagine how well this bike performs. My 107 with the CR483 is awsome and the sound with the Freedom radius pipes is great too. Love these videos. 👍
Thanks for watching 👍
Very cool! Really appreciate you sharing these builds! Way over my head but love to see how it goes together. Thank you Master Tech Miller!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi 👋, I am new to your channel, awesome content, great that you show assembly, as best as you could, Great looking and selling pipes,
But I have always been into two into ones , I Pass my bike test in the late 60 in the uk , I am on my 4th HD 1200 sportster , FXR , then I purchased a new DEUCE back in 2000, upgrades to 1550 , sadly I had to sell it in 2019, 48,T + , I had been scammed by my ex female partner,
So I moved to France, I have just bought a 2003 DEUCE, it needs a lot of work on it, it hasn’t been written for as part of a year,
At least it will give me something to do ,
Look forward to seeing some more of your up-and-coming reviews and upgrades , I do wish I was back at work and need some pennies,
From France.
Thanks for watching!
Hopefully you'll be back on the bike asap!
Gorgeous bike and awesome numbers! Great work as always.
Thanks for watching
A H-D master technician Legend!!.. outstanding job. Australia's best.🇦🇺💪
Cheers mate! Aiming high!
awesome build I bet that bike is a thrill to ride
Another professional build very well done job.
Thanks 👍
Baseline graph looked fantastic I have to say
You are a master at your craft Sir, lovely numbers and the bike ended up show and go which is kinda hard to achieve. Looks and sounds great.
Thanks for watching 👍
😮 good stuff 🤘 thanks 🔥
Cruise the twisties on weekends, then haul road trains across the paddock on weekdays. Fn brilliant Tommy. That’s a cool engine👍
Thanks for watching & supporting the channel 👍
Some of the best Harley porn there is 👍
@@MasterTechMiller no worries mate. Some of the best HD porn out there 👍
Fun! Wrenching video. You've got another subscriber
Thank you
Finally a video!!! YES!
Thanks for watching & being patient
Great job as always Tommy💪 …..Welcome back
Thanks for your patience 🙏
Great video, awesome bike and nice work on the build, that cam is awesome as its the same I have had fitted a couple of weeks ago in my Breakout, pulls like a train. The guys at Darling Downs Harley are a great team.
Thanks for watching mate. Glad you're happy with your choice of cam.
Enjoy
I am constantly told two into one exhaust is better for torque and horsepower but I to have the big radius V&H on my stage II, I just like the look and sound, form over function I guess, nice build!!!
Dude does quality work!
Cheers
Really enjoy watching you build engines. What brand ring compressor do you use?
Snap On
Amazing. Thanks.
You have been quiet Tommy, was getting worried, hope you are well !
Thanks for your patience 🙏
Loved it. 🙏🇦🇺
Need the accessories video Tommy 😁 show of the quality custom build you have done 👍
Will try put something together for sure
Good torque production and curve with a short 2-into-2 exhaust.
Let's go 🤙🏽
It's a runner!!! Great job Tommy 👏
Thanks 👍
@@MasterTechMiller you ever get the cam switched out on your bike?
@@benslocum7412 sure did! It got put in yesterday. I am sitting on the bike as I write this comment about to start dyno tuning it.
@MasterTechMiller awesome. I'm excited to see what it does now
2:06 Supervising. Making sure the parts are treated right. 😂
Love the content and checking in from time to time for some inspiration….you’ve got this performance thing locked down 🤘 congrats on hitting 10k!!
It’s interesting to see someone else’s process for building a motor being a master tech myself, which leads me to one question…I noticed you used blue loctite instead of red on the cam gear bolt and the pinion gear bolt, is there any specific reason? Keep up the awesome work 🤘
Its more than capable of keeping it tight. In my 15 years I've only ever had 1 issue with a cam bolt. It had broken but I didn't work on that bike. It came in to us with a noise on the cam chest.
Not sure why it broke.
I've obviously done many cam swaps on bikes I've put cams into & every time I undo the bolts they're tight.
Seems like I remember there was a run of those cam retention kits that were breaking the cam bolt, we saw a few at our shop.
Cool, like I said it’s just interesting to see someone else’s process when building a motor. Keep killin it dude 🤘
The only way to build a harley engine. Huge torque in the useable rideable rev range . Forget about hp numbers in the top revs .
Absolutely 💯
I want one
Another awesome build with impressive numbers. The breakout is a brawler of a bike and that one has some major attitude
I really like that air cleaner too, which one is it?
The air filter is from RSD & the number is P02062144SMB
I could watch this shit all day. What's the best performing 2 into 1 pipe in your opinion ?
For the majority of builds the D&D Lowcat performs great!
If you have a really BIG hi comp big bore build your best options is a Burns
@@MasterTechMiller legend mate cheers... Look forward to future builds
Wow what a machine. I want to bring my Fat Boy from Melbourne VIC to you to get some work done. Thanks for these great videos.
I'd love to build an engine package for you if you made the trip up to QLD
I highly recommend it buddy. His an absolute legend at what he does. 🇦🇺
@@MasterTechMiller thanks mate...I will call you to organise it
You can email too if you like at workshop@ddhd.com.au
Another great video on a fantastic 131 build. Great cam choice.. great torque.. how would the CR 512 compare numbers wise
If I was to put the CR512 in this combo as it is, the peak HP numbers would be much the same due to the exhaust choice.
Can you explain (in small words for me please) the practical difference between the V&H Big Radius 2-2 Exhaust system and the Freedom Exhausts you mentioned that gives a boost in HP for the latter. On the outside, they look very similar: both 2 into 2, both short and that's about it.
The V&H Exhaust systems are 2 individual pipes.
The Freedom Exhaust systems have a balance pipe between then about 3/4 of the way down.
This balance gives an advantage similar to having a 2-1 system.
that sounds wild Tommy. A question if I may? Do you find the coating on the piston skirt lasts very long?
The Coatings on piston skirts is there to add protection during cold starts. That's it.
If the piston to bore clearance is in spec & the engine is being serviced regularly the coating should last a very long time
Nice 😂👏 rocket 3 torque there
Question: going that deep into motor, why keep the chain drive if using an s&s crank assembly? would not think it was because of run out?
No benefit whatsoever from a gear driven cam set.
The argument about 'tighter timing' & the rest of it is just straight up nonsense.
The amount of stack up tolerances & deflection in the valve train renders that argument irrelevant.
As for the fact of wearing out chain tensioner shoes, well that too is just a selling point for gear driven cams to pounce on.
Regular servicing these chain driven sets last for over 100,000km.
There are many different conditions that may accelerate the wearing out of parts but I can you now, after 15 years with Harley's I've only has 1 issue with a cam chain breaking & it was on a stock Twincam.
Sure I've seen tensioner shoes wear out but those too where on the early Twincams with the spring loaded shoes.
After the big motor and cam.. rockin toque for the riding areas.
Who cares about what it’s doing at 6k
Nobody riding up there usually unless racing and trying to get that little edge out on your buddy
Absolutely 💯
Hey mate are you a believer in external breathers for the air cleaner? Do you run them on your builds?
No. I prefer to just vent the trans cover. You can then decide to put normal bolts in place of where the breather bolts go & let it all breath through the trans cover.
Or, you cam vent the trans cover & leave the breather bolts installed as the vented trans cover relieves the pressure across the engine & greatly reduces the oil misuse recirculation
Thanks for your reply and tips 👍
I didn't see the C-clip go into the piston. That would hold the wrist-pin in place with in the piston.
I never put them in. Saves a little bit of weight & helps with quicker RPMs
She's gorgeous ❤️🔥 Harley-Davidson 👊👆
In your opinion would it be a cheaper or more economic option to install the HD 135 crate engine, & selling the stock unused 117 , I've thought of doing this here in the UK 👍
Depending I suppose. I've never say down & worked out the numbers. I know for sure the SE 135ci Crate motor would need a cam swap in case to get close to this.
@@MasterTechMiller 👍👍👍
how ya reckon the 131 would go with the CR480 cam? similar to this one?
Yeah most likely very similar outcome but without the great idle sound
What was done to the front forks? Are those covers? Did he lower it?
Yes they are fork covers. The front wheel has been changed to a 23"
The fork legs are standard length.
It been while , i just finished 128 with my cam change from 475 S&S to a 515 CR with springs also changed my throttle body from the 55 to 6.4 and 6.2 injectors . And changed my air cleaner to the HD high flow SE , and a Khrome Works 2into one outlaw . Only got 140 torque 132 hp , i had 147 tq with 475 S&S. Not sure what is going on , the tuner he was not sure himself . It is very fast a lot better than the 475 .
Are you QLD local ? Take your bike to him, I reckon he will get the best possible performance from it for you, or tell you what to to do. Maybe call him , Darling Downs Harley Davidson Toowoomba. He's getting alot of interstate clients from Vic, and NSW.
Ok thanks , it seems like the tune can’t think of anything else .
I live in Phoenix Arizona
🤔 yeah might be a little to fare 😂
What are using to tune the bike?
Direct Link from Technoresearch
Hi Mate, is that air suspension or lowering Kit?
Air Suspension mate.
Platinum Air Suspension
hello, what about ride ability in the lower gears? Will this produce surging ?
This thing is still smooth as & very controlled at lower speeds & throttle positions.
Ok, you build some of the nicest!
Those wheels are nice, how expensive are they, great build yet again Mick
Not sure what the customer paid for the wheels? The rear is a genuine Turbine wheel out of the Screamin' Eagle catalogue & the front is a 23" Turbine replica.
@@MasterTechMiller thanks for replying so quickly 👍👍
Mastertech Miller, what cam would you recommend for really good horsepower and torque for a screaming eagle 131 build with some heads done with chrome two into one exhaust
What compression ratio is it?
@@MasterTechMiller not sure yet probably 11:1. Not sure what the builder has in mind
CR515 will tick all your boxes. It'll make over 150hp & 160ft/lbs
Thank you
Hey Tommy, what’s your experiences with fuel use after a cam and tune?
I’ve got a 117 CR483 and 6.2 injectors. Even when riding sedately I’m using about 9L/100km so would this be resolved through more tuning or is it just part and parcel with increased power.
That can 100% be fixed with a good dyno tune.
Where are you located?
That amount of fuel use seems very high
@@MasterTechMiller I’m in Sydney and a 20 hour round trip to come see you is a bit hard right now.. yes I expected it to be worse on fuel on if I was on it all the time but the same if not better when riding normally
@jamesp6128 yeah it shouldn't be much worse than stock tbh.
@@MasterTechMiller Hey Tommy, case solved! I installed baffles (VH Eliminator 300) after my initial tune and it was playing havoc with the AFRs hence the poor fuel economy! We got it dyno tuned again today, got ~10-15ft lbs between 2200 - 3500rpm (mainline dyno) and my AFRs are spot on again.
With the price of a new Breakouts they should come straight from the factory like that. But like most other Harleys you have to spend even more thousands them to get the best performance out of them. 🤔😏
Just curious, was the stock 131 flywheel not good enough? Why the S&S?
The S&S flywheel is constructed much stronger than the OEM Flywheel.
That's why we went that way. The customer plans to give it a hard time.
The OEM Flywheel is fine to run in 131ci applications but only as long as its a gently ridden.
@@MasterTechMiller that leads me to a follow-on question… if purchasing a 2019 Road Glide with only 2,000 miles on the odometer and a 131 stage 4 upgrade installed, should I be cautious of the factory flywheel or any other recommended weak points before purchase?
@@MasterTechMiller also, thanks for your reply. I am subscribed and enjoy your videos.
@@user-os1mm8to6l No worries! Thanks for watching & supporting
@user-os1mm8to6l There is no way of ever knowing how the bike has been treated or ridden it whole life. Whether it's a 131ci or a Stock 107ci, if it's had a hard life you're still taking a gamble no matter what.
I would be mainly concerned if it's a late model 2019 bike or an early model 2019.
The later model 2019 bikes 10th month onwards have the 8 lobe oil pump in them.
How much, about is a build like this?
Typically, the 131ci Screamin Eagle kit fitted & tuned with an aftermarket cam like this one is around $8700AUD
How many miles will he get out of this? The piston is so short it will start to rock and use oil.
I'll pass that information on the Engineers at MAHLE & Screamin' Eagle.
@@MasterTechMiller I am not being a smart ass, I am simply asking how many miles would be expected? It is not like the engineers are caring about longevity they care about the #'s it produces to make the customer happy.
@8mywal8 these pistons are manufactured by MAHLE. A leading & very reputable manufacturer.
The pistons are absolutely fine & they will last in excess of 100,000km. I will convert that to American.
To calculate this, we first need to know the length of a cheeseburger. Let's assume a typical cheeseburger is about 15 centimeters long (half a cheese burger) Then, we can calculate:
100,000 km = 100,000,000 meters
Now, we'll convert the length of a cheeseburger to meters:
15 centimeters = 0.15 meters
Now, we can find out how many cheeseburgers would cover 100,000 km:
100,000,000 meters / 0.15 meters per cheeseburger = 666,666,667 cheeseburgers
So, it would take approximately 666,666,667 cheeseburgers laid end to end to cover a distance of 100,000 km.
131 Cubic inch engine and how many horsepower does it produce? 137 horsepower that’s almost pathetic for a monster engine
116 Thunder stroke "in sport mode" will leave you standing still. 😂😂😂😂😂
🤣😂🤣😂
How do you expect to get HUGE torque out of those pipes I'ld like to know.
These pipes are always known to provide a strong torque curve early in the rpm range. They lack peak HP figures in the upper rpm range
@@MasterTechMiller And you don't know the problem with that, but you see it on your dyno maybe?! 🤓
Omg the music mate…plz
Suggestions?
The music at 3 minutes is the background for let's go Brandon
What's Let's go Brandon? People keep mentioning the music choice....have I missed something?
I’ll stick with my Ducati XDiavelS
Thanks for stopping by & checking out the video
This review is not complete! WE THE "COMMENTERS" NEED TO RIDE IT FOR A AFTERNOON!
Only then will "we" know the truth, LOL!
By the way, I would buy it just for THE LOOKS AND THE WHEELS.
Personally I worry about "engine OIL HEAT" on all such engines over 110C.I. I am concerned about huge air cooled engine and engine temperatures.
That said PLEASE MAKE ONE OF THESE FOR ME.
I'd love to build you a combo!
The M8 engine platform has oil cooled heads as I'm sure you are aware of? The cooling is concentrated around the exhaust valves of the heads to help extract the heat as best it can.
Also the oil volume of the M8 platform is much higher than the Twincam models.
Approximately 4.6ltrs compared to the 3.5ltrs found in Twincam touring models.
The VVT M8 platform has water cooled heads that has priority flow to the rear head. A revised & better design than the non VVT M8
@@MasterTechMiller BEAUTIFUL.
I just love wanna be dj's. You aint workin on my s**t, spin your music n put the bike away
Not sure if you're having a dig at my choice of music for the video or if you're having some sort of dig at my workmanship?
Either way, it's been very windy here lately & all my spare 'S**TS to give blew away.
Lose those stupid reflectors.
They're already off. Just so happen to be after the filming & the final clean/wash of the bike were they removed
Typical parts guy doing nothing...lol then walks away when the heavy lifting happens! typical spare parts guy