Lord Of The Rings Fans ATTACKED For Quotes - Fans Doing More Damage Than AMAZON?!
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2022
- The Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power teaser trailer was not very well received by fans, but the gamer has decided that's not the show's fault, it's the fans. The gamer isn't a stranger to attacking fan bases. But when it's Lord of the Rings and fans of Tolkien to not say they're wrong about the trailer but blame them for the destruction of the source material themselves. This is a new low for the gamer, the backlash over the Rings of Power broke them.
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What did you think of The Gamer article? A site that is renowned for giving worse takes than Kotaku, they're always useful for laugh, but this article might have ended with one of the most extreme takes I've seen from them. What are your thoughts let me know below. And as always, thanks for watching :)
I'd not seen it... I think they are using the old trick of deliberately picking out a detail of grammar or similar pernickety details (in this case that it is a paraphrased quote), to try to undermine the actual point of the quote, not to mention the spontaneous and mass outpouring of discontent the numbers of identical posts represents.
If he is giving someone ammunition it is for those who protect The rings of power. They know we won't shut, they can only make us angrier. But they need to convince as many people as they can that we are a wild and stupid bunch of kids that need to be put in their place. You know, oppose numbers with numbers. The quality of people they push to this doesn't matter.
Er, you have a quite "original" approach in regards to accuracy when quoting someone... Of course it matters what that person truly said, otherwise it wouldn't be a quote! So yes, I think that the article makes a valid point about this made up Tolkien "quote". How can you rant about the showrunners deviation from the precise cannon and lore and then try to reinforce your point with a false quote?!?
And the funny thing is that there are actual Tolkien quotes that transport the same message and which could people use instead.
But other than that aspect I don't agree with article at all and will stick to being a Tolkien purist - whether it comes to changes to his lore or wrong quotes.
@@inoel75 It's a paraphrased quote - probably caused by being run through translation software between multiple languages. The meaning however remains true to Tolkien's original intent, on the more accurately worded original quote... or do you disagree?
Given that, I don't see it's important to quibble when it is showing the makers of this abomination of a show the weight of feeling rising against what they are doing.
@@rockheimr
Oh, I absolutely agree that this false quote reflects what Tolkien believed, no doubt on that! But that doesn't change my opinion about giving false quotes. Just don't put "J.R.R. Tolkien" below it, as if it was an actual quote, and I'm fine with it. Or give an actual quote of what he wrote about that topic. But don't put someone elses words into his mouth. I'm pretty passionate about Tolkien and his work, that just rubs me the wrong way. I can't help it, I'm just very nerdy in that aspect 😉
Frankly, the fact the (paraphrased) version of the quote annoys them so much makes me think we should all use it exclusively. :)))))
Every day, while drinking morning coffee we should go to trailer and post those quotes, this must not stop, fight just begun.
@@faustofaria9270 Exactly, who cares if those weren't his exact words? There are even admitting that idea is in various parts of Tolkien's works.
When the paraphrased quote spam is more true to the spirit of Tolkien's work than the billion dollar amazon series.
If Amazon keep heading down their current path, we might be able to say "you're a wizard Harry" and still have it be closer to Tolkien's work than the Amazon show.
Ooof.
Exactly what I was going to say... "Tolkien never wrote that? Sure, but Tolkien never wrote *that* either..."
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Its not a paraphrase its false
“Even the smallest person can change the course of the future” - Tolkien
Not by Tolkien. This is a quote from the PJ movies
"Power resides where men believe it resides. Its a trick. A shadow on the wall... And a very small men can cast a very large shadow." - JRR Martin
@@progfan9917 "Not by Tolkein. This is a quote from the PJ movies" -- Me
@@jakubsadowski1148 GRR Martin, not JRR
The fans of Tolkein are giving the bad actors, the showrunners, and Amazon that heat. It's a good thing to see.
I mean back before the first film, long before the One Ring net cucked (painful when you had a hand in getting that site off the ground) led a crusade against Jackson & his Arwen fuckery. He listened unlike these morons. So sick of these activist elitist khunts.
Well if they're using that quote they are no fans of JRR period
Ah yes, anger the entire fandom even more, let's see how well this does for Amazon. They posted two fan reactions, unlisted one and both got ratioed, Amazon needs to go on life support with the amount of copium coursing through their bloodstream.
Amazon: We improved Tolkien.
Worldwide Tolkien fans: NO.
Amazon: Racist much?
Worldwide Tolkien fans: Ha. Call us racists again. That's you flushing $600 million down the toilet.
And they've committed to at least 5 seasons, then you have the other LOTR rights up for sale. This could end up costing them a LOT more yet.
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Sons of Gondor! Of Rohan! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West!
This feels somewhat appropriate now.
Very much so.
God damn reading that gave me chills!
This should be our mantra. My favorite quote from LOTR.
Absolutely appropriate!
That's appropriate for various governments around the world as well as Saurons minions in media.
i think this "spamming" of J.R.R. Tolkien's quote is the closest thing we are gonna get to an actual LOTR experience, where the forces of good unit against the darkness.
Lots of people seem more excited for the anime (including the gamer laughably), personally I don't trust any of them until they actually start showing what the show is. I've seen too many people who used to make good stuff convert and suddenly start making this kind of level of quality. Now I want to see what they're making before looking forwards to anything, movies, games the lot.
@@disparutoo there are many hands involved in LOTR with Jackson with the wb one. I think they are fighting to try to keep the franchise because amazon wants to take film rights now as well
A last alliance of movie fans and book fans marched against the armies of Amazon on the slopes of their Headquarters, they fought for the legacy of J.R.R. Tolkien
Aaarggh!!!! Gnash!!!!!
Ye lets do that please.
"Forcing your woke agenda into my work = dumb."
-JRR Tolkien
I posted the Frodo quote verbatim, but even if everyone else posted a paraphrase, the paraphrase is actually an accurate summery of what Tolkien reiterated numerous times, that is, the idea that evil has no creative power, only good does; the Devil can only corrupt what God has made.
I think that's why they hate it so much. They're evil.
Here's a non- Tolkien quote that sums up the same concept:
"Anything God can create, Satan can counterfeit."- Tess, 'Touched by an Angel.'
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Amazing. I have found my people 💛
The level of entitlement and arrogance of this article is astonishing. Thank God there are channels like this one, and many others, that ACTUALLY "set the record straight", unlike this website. Thanks @Disparu for spreading actual information. Keep it up!
Thank you for the kind words and I absolutely will, especially if these supposed "fan sites" continue to forget they're meant to be fans, not corporate marketing arms.
Theres a new real lotr movie being made
Yeah pass a fake JRR quote like its real Disparu it doesn't matter
No it DOES stop lying about JRR and stop invoking the good man's name you monster
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They're smug suburbanites who live in their own bubble, completely out of touch with reality. I saw an article a while back, I can't even remember what it was about, but it referred to DVDs in a condescending tone ("Remember those?") that just made me go "oh fuck off!"
Amazon gotta be the ones paying off smaller studios and "journalists" to say this kind of shit. No one in their right mind would dive head first into this utter shitshow in a clearly lost battle on their front, especially a site like "gamer" who by default shouldn't even give two fucks and just sit with their popcorn at a distance.. I have seen enough small journalist sites say the same thing for it to be a coincidence is more than unreasonable to believe.
Since it's been established that the Amazon show won't follow the lore, we must regard the show as fanfiction. Not lore in any sense.
Oh absolutely. Same thing happened with The Wheel of Time. The moment it became clear that they were not following the books it instantly became fan fiction, not an adaptation. It could have been argued they could create cannon in the missing gaps of time, but only if what WAS written in the books was followed to the letter. The moment they start changing characters and what people look like, that's it. Instant fan fiction. As they were filling in gaps it became even MORE important what was in the books was stuck too, not changed.
It's not FANfiction because it's not made by FANS.
Don't ever call it that.
Fake fan fiction. FFF for short
@@unitron2005 hate fiction as someone said
@@disparutoo i'm not much of a reader, but i've watched the wheel of time and i honestly liked it ... is there a video talking about the show?
Those people doesn't even know that "THE QUOTE" is not just a quote, it is the very principle witch Tolkien created his world up on. Melkor and then Sauron did not create anything pure (with life) on their own, they just altered and corrupt other creatures by different means. that is just a fact you can not argue with. Tolkien didn't need to say it directly. he designed his Legendarium on it, for us to understand it. to deny that, is to deny one of the basic and straight forward massages that Tolkien wrote his entire masterpiece to pass on. to try and force this denial as a fact to others, is by itself a form of alteration and corruption of something good and pure.
Yeah
Didn't he write something very similar in a letter to a fan explaining why he made the orcs corrupted elves?
@@fivebrosstopmos there are multiple quotes form the books that express this very closely...also, it is at the center of the whole narrative of tolkiens world itself.
its not words on a page its the vrry laws of nature
Releasing Wheel of Time was a tactical mistake for Amazon because Wheel of Time's audience would intersect with Lord of the Rings, and by alienating the Wheel of Time fans, you merely prepare them and make them ready to counter-attack. Wheel of Time fans knew what Amazon would do before the trailer even released, and were ready for it.
Agreed. We already know.
What a shit show was that
Yes...I put my armored plated combat boots and fantasy themed camouflage on after they destroyed WoT...I saw what was coming and got ready for battle.
@@jacobyrassilon I think we all did. WOT was a carnage on a scale no one was expecting, and we were royaly fucked. The Rings of Power will murder us
Yeah the f'd up wheel of time.
I’ve seen that quote attributed to Tolkien for years. Just because it’s not in those exact words in the books, doesn’t mean he didn’t say essentially the same thing in one of his hundreds of letters or something.
Absolutely, it's more than likely that sites like this will gaslight people over a paraphrase. Given that most good quotes are paraphrased, and it often improves them, makes them more memorable it wouldn't be unusual at all. But for the video, given the insanity of the article, accepting what they said as true in good faith made the article even worse. As their unhinged conclusion sprung from it was still completely unreasonable to the point of delusion.
It's pure grammar naziing.
What Tolkien wrote was "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make real new things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the Orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them."
Better worded for sure, but the meaning is the EXACT SAME THING.
Which is more than what amazon's bastardization can claim.
Tolkien said similar things in the books many times.... even orcs are created by twisting elves.
So then black elves are fine I mean those aren't his not in those exact words in the books, doesn’t mean he didn’t say essentially said that lmao thanks idiot
the quote is in LOTR not as words on a page but as an unspoken natural law
As AZ put it, it's not our job to give you the benefit of the doubt it's your job to get me interested enough to watch
Absolutely. Marketing is meant to sell you the show, but they seem so busy trying to work out how they can cover up, hide and quieten the backlash they know they'll get because they're obsessed with changing the lore. They forget they have to actually SELL the product and make it interesting to the very people they despise.
@@disparutoo they hope we will watch anyway. All they care about is the numbers that watch 😠
Ah AZ the Tolkien scholar lmao
The fact that fans from all corner of the world are protesting the defamation of tolkein's work and amazon still not realizing there mistake that's makes me more angry.The day I heard Bezos wanted the next game of thrones I lost my shit for George RR Martin stands on the shoulder of J.R.R Tolkein not the other way around and I was still hoping they would honour Tolkein but they didn't it's just completely Pathetic.
How much more diverse and inclusive do you want than people ALL over the world attacking you for changing the lore.
He got the next Game of Thrones, but better : he didn't even need to wait for seasons 7-8 to get the backlash, and didn't trick fans into getting hyped for 4 seasons, before getting confused and concerned for the 2 following seasons.
Since other people HAVE posted those quotes word for word from the books as well, this Gamer thing is a day late and a dollar short on presuming to give anyone permission to do something they're already doing. 🤷
The whole thing of them thinking they have the right to tell people what quotes to use though, "who do you think you are" has never been so apt.
One ideology to rule them all,
One critical theory to find them,
One mEsSaGe to bring them all,
And in the wokeness bind them,
In the land of twitter where the bigotry lies.
But that's not the exact quote!
In all seriousness well played.
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Can someone translate this into the black language?
"Το κακό δεν μπορεί να δημιουργήσει τίποτα καινούργιο, μπορεί μόνο να διαφθείρει και να καταστρέψει αυτά που οι καλές δυνάμεις έχουν εφεύρει ή κατασκευάσει." -J.R.R. Tolkien
Do they know about the graphics? No
Do they know about the character? No
Do they know about the lore? No
Do they know about the story? No
Do they know about the storyline? No
Do they know about the source material? No
Do they play the games? Hell no
So they admit it's a paraphrase of something JRR Tolkien said REPEATEDLY?
They're like snopes, find something that changes it slightly then just say it's all false lmao.
@@disparutoo 🎯👏
The Gamers will have received a large check from Amazon to say all that. But that's the difference between those horrible people and us. They defend a cause for money and when Amazon stops paying them they will let him die. Fans fight for the love of Tolkien and even if these despicable beings attack us we will continue to fight for the right cause.
Well said. I'm a fan from the late 70's and have enjoyed Tolkiens work ever since.
how about this then... “Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made” - The Tolkien Fandom
I am reading Tolkien all my life, and can not recall that exact quote, but this is something that Tolkien, in many ways, mentioned in his book at many occasions.
For example, right at the start of Silmarillion, it was said that Melkor (basically Lucifer) can not create anything, but just corrupt what is created by almighty Illuvatar (God).
Later we see that orcs are created by twisting elves.
This is quite insulting for the author J.R.R Tolkien. Amazon is targeted is money not the story and legacy of Tolkien but they destroy it and murder it.
“For behold! the storm comes, and now all friends should gather together, lest each singly be destroyed.” - Gandalf
That's actually an awesome quote given the context of everything that's happening.
@@disparutoo Being a Tolkien fan, I grew up on his novels, my aunt even owning a first edition of The Hobbit was what propelled me into it all as kid. Just to sit down and hold something like that in your hands for the first time? Now thinking back on that moment seems so much more profound given present circumstances.
They revealed a few days ago that they do not have rights to any aspect of Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales, only LOTR, Hobbit, and the appendices of LOTR. So it's actually effectively a fanfic where they had to make their own story to full in gaps in the appendices and those gaps cannot appear to be adapted from Silmarillion or Unfinished Tales. I can't believe more people aren't talking about this, it changes everything we thought we knew about what the "adaptation" was even meant to be!
I actually have a previous video about that very topic and I agree it's pure fan fiction with that in play. Although it likely would have been anyway as they were going to be filling in areas of lore with not much written down. But to me, the moment you start changing characters it's fan fiction anyway, rights or not. It just becomes more expensive fan fiction
@@disparutoo - oh wonderful, I didn't know you had made a video about it! I was recommended this video randomly and am really impressed with your presentation so will definitely be watching more and will check out your previous video :D I honestly think if they'd just been more open about their adaptation limitations from the beginning people may have been less harsh in their responses now? If Amazon had just said from the beginning "this will pretty much be a fanfiction sorry" people would have at least known what to expect. Instead we have been waiting for donkeys years for an adaptation of Beren and Luthien's story, or maybe an expanded cinematic experience of the war of the last alliance, or a stunning visual interpretation of when Morgoth and Ungoliant destroyed the two great trees... only to get non-canon stories involving non-canon characters doing non-canon things. It's very disappointing :c
So it's actually effectively a fanfic
LOTR appendices were written by JRR deal with it
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 - yes they were written by JRR Tolkien and they are fascinating, but they are a list of events not an actual story. There's a lot of amazing content there but Amazon seems to have gone down the route of writing their own story rather than directly adapting much of what's actually written in the appendices (if their comments in the Vanity Fair article are anything to go by, and the fact that they fired the worlds leading Tolkien Legendarium expert because of "creative differences")
@@disparutoo Afaik, they were under strict instructions from the Tolkien Estate not to alter substantially any elements of the material they had access to, or try to retcon any of the other established lore. For that they've done to Galadriel alone, they've clearly broken that contract. What we need now is for Tolkien's Estate to sue them.
It's as if Amazon thought they could buy a Monet, paint on it with neon colors and still call it a pure monet.
They'd get Mr Bean to try and clean it's face and "improve it" like in the movies.
@@disparutoo LOL yes!
Typical, attack the people and not the argument. Attack the speaker, not the message. Definitely makes your point stronger 👍
At first, the truth dies, than, books will burn. And not long after the books, people will burn.
Brilliant. Thank you for standing up against this. They should have just told us the truth. They don’t have 2nd age source material rights. Now they will make the novel “Tolkien couldn’t make” my God… what a nightmare
The thing is LOTR is far more mainstream than other IP's but the rest of us are so used to calls of racist and sexist we ignored it... the normies watched that and felt more confident, nerds and gamers leading the way and normies following 😎
Well, if this is destroying the lore, let me throw some additional stones...
Sure would be a shame if them there comments sections had some quotes put in them.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made” - J. R. R. Tolkien
The Gamer is clearly a pleb. Amazon have proven beyond doubt with the Wheel of Time series that they have no interest whatsoever in creating an adaptation that relies heavily on the source material. We should accept that from here on in, any and every adaptation funded by and / or originating from Amazon is not worth watching. It's time for some other outlet to take up the cudgel and create a true adaptation of something the book fans can watch and appreciate. In order for that to happen, the showrunners, writers and maybe even the actors themselves, have to be fans of the books. I'd love to see an accurate adaptation of Clive Barker's Weaveworld, and I'm sure there are book fans the world over who pine for accurate adaptations of their own favourite books or book series...but will it ever happen?
Ffs yes, the quote is from Tolkien, spoken by Frodo. It’s been paraphrased and probably adapted according to the multiple translations. For tHe GaMeR to say “get your facts straight” and claim it’s not something Tolkien wrote is peak fake fan wankery.
haha, exactly....the Frodo and Treebeard quotes are basically Tolkien speaking through his characters...so he did, in fact, say this quote....and we are going to keep throwing it in their puffy, pasty little faces.
no one but tolkien wrote the books.... how can they be anyone's words but tolkiens ... every word in them was him... are these people expecting us to believe that someone was telling tolkien what to write? that someone other than the author is responsible for writing a book? if so than i claim to be the person who wrote steven kings books, pay me! lol what a joke.
I completely agree - it does not change anything, if the quote is a paraphrasing of what Tolkien said through his characters, in his lore and letters. The paraphrasing is actually a bit softer than the quote from HoMe.
I knew that there was quite a bit about Orcs/Orks and their creation in HoMe and the Letters, so I dug out mine and got these bits to complement the Frodo and Treebeard quotes.
Morgoth's Ring, p.110 (Annals of Aman): "For, saith Pengoloð, Melkor could never since the Ainulindalë make of his own aught that had life or the semblance of life, and still less might he do so after his treachery in Valinor and the fullness of his own corruption."
Letters, no.144 (about Orcs): "But since they are servants of the Dark Power, and later Sauron, neither of whom could, or would, produce living things, they must be "corruptions"."
These fake fans of that One Ring website & TheGamer need some serious psychological counseling
TOR site became a nest of liars and defilers, just as much Tolkien Society happened to turned into a place for woke scholars discussing how Arwen's lesbianism was oppressed by patriarchy.
All I know is on September 2nd I'll be watching LOTR. Peter Jackson style.
Extended edition it is!
Amazon... most expensive 5/10 fanfictions and cosplays ever.
And their cosplay will still be beaten by someone with a patreon who made it in their garage.
@@disparutoo Did you say "Cowboy Beebop"?
What’s scary is that this agenda is everywhere. Because of that we can’t have nice things today. They fu..ed up Witcher, they are fu..ing up Tolkien’s work, they destroyed countless established franchises. When will this stop.
The Wheel of Time is what did it for me, Amazon did that too. This isn't so much about LOTR for me, it's about preserving an IP that's under assault by the same ideas that destroyed The Wheel of Time. And seeing the fans reaction is heartening.
Not until someone adapts a book/anime/video game etc and stays true to the lore as much as possible and is very successful. Arcane's adaptation of League of Legends is a good example of how to do it well. Unfortunately an adaptation that sticks with the creator's original intent and message, whilst nailing the details fans love without pandering would require an incredible amount of effort, and Hollywood appears to have lost interest in the art of visual storytelling in favor of making a quick buck.
I saw someone with comment that was on point. He was discussing with a friend, who was a James bond fan. He asked him, when you watch the new bond movie and suddenly a fire breathing dragon appears? He replied, it would take all of the immersion away, because its so out of place. And that is exactly how Tolkien fans feel when they watch the trailer.
in one Fan Site they where even speculation on the still pic of the 2 hunters with the elk antlers on their backs, if they are winged humanoids and maybe vampires of the 1st age... so much to some of the shilling sites...
i want to quote another post in a critical clip comment section:
how could they spend 463 million $ for the production and the trailer looks like 6/10 cosplay?
I bet they called themselves Tolkein Scholars too lmao. That said, Vampires? Did LoTR universe have vampires in them?! Dude I can just imagine them putting them in the show to "spice up the lore", I do think that whole elk scene is weird though, ok so they're hunters carrying back the Antlers, fine. But why strap them that way they'd be off balance. You'd strap them in the middle of your back not out to the side, I still don't get what that scene is about tbh.
@@disparutoo there are vampire-like creatures of Melkor mentioned in the Silmarillion covering the first age... also werwolves... and since they are not written as extinct in the books, amazon "could" take that liberty... lets hope, the writing room of the show reads the fan sites as thoroughly as they did the source material...
@@disparutoo Yes there were vampires. If I remember correctly Sauron took form of a vampire at one point in time. Though if I remember correctly they were extinct, and basically they were bat-like creatures. Probably lore masters can tell you more details, but those guys with antlers don't look like vampire to me.
@@WojtekDetko I think Thuringwethil, the female probably maia who served Sauron in the Beren and Lúthien chapter, also used to transform into a vampire.
6/10 cosplay? nah its even less than that,
The funny thing is, Gamer are likely wrong when they pirouette from insulting people for using the quote to saying J.R.R would've agreed with it anyway. There's a lot of patronising arrogance in that article which makes their error a little hard to swallow.
In Tolkien's world, neither Good or Evil forces can create. Only "God" can.
This much is true. The secret fire lives within Eru Illuvitar and Melkor sought to steal it to create life on his own making this quote whether it belongs to Tolkien or not; true.
Thank you for your ultimate optimism, I appreciate it, too many people are brushing off the impact this is having.
Lmao, I'm not sure optimistic is a word that has ever been used to describe me. But what I do always enjoy is people coming together for something big. Whether that be a game that has done exceptionally well, or fans standing up to corporations. It always impresses me. And while in the short term companies can throw money away. In the long term, they HAVE to be profitable. And sure, Amazon can run at a loss basically forever because of their other businesses. There has to be moneymen in other companies looking at this and thinking, maybe we shouldn't repeat THAT.
This is one of the biggest IP's around, people will be taking notice of what happens here.
@@disparutoo I'm loving how everyone from around the world are standing up and rallying behind the true lore of Tolkien.
It REALLY shows me how important Tolkien is to so many people AS IT IS!!
They HATE fans and Tolkien.
They gae us the middle finger, and think we will still watch.
The irony of someone who hates capitalism…whining about democracy and regular people challenging a corporation
They are completely unhinged.
Amazon made Good Omes unwatchable, then destroyed WoT. I had no hope for this.
The Wheel of Time is why I'm so interested in following what they're doing here, especially as they're following the same gameplan. But they're receiving far more pushback from the fans this time, largely because there are so many more of them that are plugged into this kind of news. For me, I had no hope for the show either, but the way it unfolds is fascinating.
I'm hoping to not tell my sisters or my parents about it they're reaction will be piss off and I'm going to stay away from watching the Amazon show.
That's the amazing thing about this property, there are few IP's where entire families will feel that strongly about it. And yet they are so desperate to change it all, for who? A few people in California? Or are they simply so self obsessed that they think their ideas are superior to Tolkeins. Probably a mix of both. Can't put their ego aside to replicate a universe, they think they're talented enough to make their own and fix ones that already exist.
@@disparutoo Ikr I seen Lotr when I was like 5 or 6 years old at that time and reminds one of my favorites to this very day.
@@disparutoo gtf over yourselves. The fans really are being sooo fuckn pathetic over this.
@@disparutoo exactly my question, for whom they are making it? Its crystal clear that so so many fans reject it all over the World. There was backlash before about other shows but not like this right?
@@NZealand exactly! they should just consume product and then get excited for next product!! I CLAPPED, I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW IT!!!
DO NOT GIVE THIS SHOW THE TIME OF DAY SO WE CAN BRING IT DOWN. Don’t even give it a try. I know we’ll be interested in seeing what it’s about, but the only way to bring down these companies and their woke mob is to completely boycott this garbage.
And for those who feel they need to watch it before they form their own opinion. There's piracy and CZcams reviews.
"(...) Whereas Melkor spent his spirit in envy and hate, until at last he could make nothing save in mockery of the thought of others, and all their works he destroyed if he could." - Silmarillion, J.R.R. Tolkien
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An hour of woes and shattered shields when the age of the LOTR fans come crashing down. But it is not this day. This day we fight
How about this then:
For nothing is evil in the beginning.
-J.R.R. Tolkien
Imagine if engineers could blame a bad bridge design that killed people on the people who didn't like the aesthetics of the rubble.
Nowadays I can see that happening.
I've been using that "quote" myself as a show of solidarity. It's certainly not against the lore. Also, I wondered if it wasn't so much incorrect as a backwards translation from one of the many languages the books are printed in. We've seen this past week that there are passionate fans from Russia, Poland, Spain, and many other countries.
It will be one of those "it's not word for word it's a paraphrase" quotes, which is basically every quote people ever use. They're always altered via word of mouth slightly to make them sound better. It's normal.
That's why it was funny they tried so hard to stretch it into an insult. They were REALLY desperate. But the thing is, even if it was totally wrong (and it isn't at all) it would still be irrelevant.
If you take it correctly, tolkiens stories in his world, were told in Quenya, Sindarin and Westron. So everything, told in any of our languages, is only a interpretation of the tales of of the Noldor, Nandor, Moriquendi, Edain and what else there lives in Arda and Aman.
So "misquoting" just means getting the source if the quote wrong now? Here I was all this time thinking that "misquoting"...
... meant to get the quote wrong🤯
Sounds like Bezos wrote someone a check to write an article.
Lmao while I wouldn't put paid marketing past anyone. The gamer is completely unhinged on a daily basis for a lot of topics. This isn't out of character for them at all. Albeit the ending is PARTICULARLY egregious for them to write lmao.
You summed this up so well. More than just this event but so many others.
I won't watch a single episode. I'll wait for the lotr animation that's to be released in 2024. Amazon is a destructive force.
Agree
Nor will I
After Amazon murdered The Wheel of Time....we knew this was coming
Absolutely, but I never expected them to follow the exact same gameplan. This time though there is a far larger voice arranged against them. And I don't even mean the larger youtube channels, I mean the fans themselves. The Wheel of Time fans were largely censored and kicked out of the fan reddits etc that existed for them. But the LoTR fan base is too large to be able to quieten like that.
@@disparutoo What I've never been able to understand is why did Amazon do it? Wheel of Time could and should have been huge. It's story is complex, with many different cultures and fantastic characters built into the story. Had Amazon made a good faith effort to adapt it well Wheel would have had the potential to blow Game of Thrones away - especially considering that the story is finished. Yet Amazon decided to kill a golden goose and move onto the next franchise to ruin...
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt” - J.R.R Tolkien
This is not only for Tolkien creation and Tolkien's fans but also for WoT, Doctor Who, Star Wars and all other masterpieces that they defiled with they woke agenda by inserting politic and false and/or unneeded diversity. The bill comes due. Least we can do is show them that we do not buy ideological nonsense falsely wrapped in Tolkien name.
Racist stupidity and right-wing nonsense all in one thanks for that
Next make JRR all-white again lmao
“Naught that had life if its own, nor the semblance of life, could ever Melkor make since his rebellion in the Ainulindalë” - Silmarillion, Of the coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor. This is an exact quote that means the same exact thing
No it does not lmao
I hadn't put the quote myself yet, and I was going to stop caring about this nonsense issue and just imagine that this serie doesn't exist.
Gonna put the quote now and then, bye Amazon 😂
Nice comment section you got there, sure would be a shame if it got a quote in it lmao.
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Good polemic that man. And all the best with th
e channel, very insightful commentary
I was so looking forward to the show, I wanted to see the Second Age of Middle-earth, but they showed a teaser of some generic fantasy with a bunch of cloying CGI. It's disgraceful.
Keep giving them the heat! Hold the line, and never let up! We will keep pushing!
The Rings Of Snoresville is doomed for failure from the very start
I hope this outcry has an impact on future adaptations, that studios and directors will no longer approach stories to "improve" them by supplanting their own views and politics, but to enhance and compliment the creator's original intent and message.
Watched American Gangster again tonight, Frank Lucas confronting NIcky Barnes about cutting blue magic down while calling it blue magic, struck a nerve in me.
Amazon is never going to make it with these fantasy series. Bezos is obsessed with producing the next GoT, but neither he nor the people around him even know what made GoT what it was. With the WoT series and now the RoP it has become too personal for them, I'm pretty sure they're not going to stop until they've defiled every famous epic fantasy book series there is.
See, you hit the nail on the head when you said they would keep moving the benchmark before people had the right to complain. It's a sneaky tactic. Telling fans they can't complain until they watch the whole series has the possibility of fans doing exactly that, watching the whole series, finding out it still sucks, but in the process justifying a season 2 from the ratings because "people obviously liked it if they watched it." And then they say the same for season two when people try to complain: "It's still in its teething stages. Give it time." And then before you know it we've been watching the shite for 7 years waiting for our chance to complain because we still haven't given it time to properly flesh itself out and become impressive entertainment.
Right. It only matters to them that we watch. If they abuse us and tell us to shut up and insult us, and we watch, they have won. They are like the guy who when you say no because you get bad vibes calls you a name as a woman. They are abusive creeps.
It's enough they lied. They said in the beginning they would respect Tolkein's world, the Chris dies and they now say they want to make a world like our own instead of like Tolkein's and that they want to tell their own stories, with 0 respect for Tolkein's world he built. We don't need details, the fact that they only rrsond with insults says it all.
Nope, not gonna watch it
so if Tolkien didn’t say that quote, here is a different one from Eru Illúvatar,
“And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not it’s uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite for he that attempteth shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful which he himself hath not imagined”.
Their perversions bringing people together seems quite appropriate for this quote.
I see your Ainulindalaë, and I raise you one Valaquenta:
..and there was long strife between them, in which Melkor ever marred or undid the works of Aulë, and Aulë grew weary in repairing the tumults and disorders of Melkor.
Both, also, desired to make things of their own that should be new and unthought of by others, and delighted in the praise of their skill. But Aulë remained faithful to Eru and submitted all that he did to his will; and he did not envy the work of others, but sought and gave counsel.
Whereas Melkor spent his spirit in envy and hate, until at last he could make nothing save in mockery of the thought of others, and destroyed all their works if he could.
Eru Ilúvatar was the only one that could create with the creation song "Ainulindalë" Evil in sense then being Melkor the most powerful of the Valar wanted to create, but he could only distort the Ainulindalë song. That quote in sense I think derives from the creation of the Arda world.
you know what? you're a pretty solid guy. cheers.
Cheers to you too and thanks for watching :)
Keep fighting Brothers and sisters.
Amazing video
Thank you, appreciate you watching :)
I'm so sick of TV show creators thinking they can absolutely shit on established fandoms whenever convenient and screech and gaslight fans when it backfires.
Disney's shitty Star Wars cash grabs, Wheel of Time, Game of Thrones, and now Amazon with LOTR.
Disney said we will watch anyway and they will laugh their way to the bank. 😠
The line between good and evil in society has been blurred. The good dont realise theyre good, and the evil dont realise theyre evil. Its events like this dumpster fire of a show that shows the truth about whos who.
The quote is from a character in the books, when speaking about the creation of the orcs. Tolkien may have not said it personally, but he wrote it.
We are the Army of Rohan coming into battle and saving this Franchise
So, that last line in the article... could that be The Gamer admitting Rings of Power is a corruption of LotR?
Also, dear Amazon: Look at the Sonic movie. Do I really need to say more?
I don't have to watch the show. The trailer told me all I need to know so I choose not to watch it.
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From what I understand, that quote is actually a paraphrase of what the hobbits said in the book when talking about the nature of the orcs.. And the original quote was actually even more applicable to the situation. So no, it's not JUST from TVtropes, it's directly pulled from Tolkien's writings.
I had assumed it was a paraphrase, most quotes are not word for word. Over time they get adapted into something easier to say or remember, it often flows better when repeated across thousands of peoples mouths and minds.
I didn't look into it to confirm because for me, even if they were right and you give them the most good faith assumption of them being honest about it. It's STILL an absolutely absurd article with the most extreme over the top conclusion they could ever have come to.
They poked the wrong bear this time.😂😂😂
So many opportunities were missed.
1). Elrond is mixed race - Human+Elf.
2). Dawrf women should have beards - points with the trans crowd.
3). Anti-industrialist sentiment - Tolkien hated the destructive force of industry.
The problem with 2 is the stack, there are many different identities they would have colliding and try to manage. And someone would take offense no matter what they said. Especially as it would be a woman.
Those nut jobs made a basic mistake at the beginning. They are saying that Tolkien did not make that direct quote in the works that he wrote, which may be true. But Tolkien also said things that are not in the books. He wrote letters to people and did interviews on radio and TV. To state that he never said it in a book is not the same as saying that he never said it at all.
i was close to vomitting as i read this first time for myself
BTW: I was using “There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.” from the first time i saw this Bullshit!
You are good at this.
"The Gamer is a hive of awful supercilious hacks"- J.R.R. Tolkien
Wow, sent here by another you tuber referencing your good work, and good work it certainly is, just subscribed!
Thank you for coming over to visit :) appreciate your time and the sub. Yes the shout outs have led to a rather crazy couple of days
Said that better than I ever could. More power to you,mate.
They never should've made this disgusting show
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"It's not about literal accuracy. It's about sending a message" - J.R.R. Tolkien
We the pheasants have spoken! Thanks for being one of the clear and loud voice for the pheasants!
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Haha thanks again :)
I commend my fellow Tolkien fans and ''Ringers'' and sticking with the paraphrased quote which means the same.
Original Quote
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The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real things of its own. I don't think it gave life to the orcs, it only ruined them and twisted them.
J.R.R. Tolkein, The Return of the King
that is not even the only quote... he says it repeatedly and the paraphrase summarizes it all.
You stand behind lying about JRR? WOW. Whatever you are you're no fan of his at all.
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 what was the lie?
@@thomasmuandersontheneousul4184 seriously, what's the lie ?
@@seanblankenship4953 The quote is not an authentic quote
Imagine if someone put out a quote
"I JRR have always thought of MOST Hobbits of being of African origin actually."
Now imagine someone saying well he something CLOSE to that in the books (he did not).
I imagine a LOT of fans would use that as evidence that an ideological agenda is afoot
But when CERTAIN people falsify JRR - ah its OK. Actually mate we need to do more of that.
Well I see no evidence JRR would "like" false quotes attributed to him if you think its OK to lie about this and it is A LIE well you don't know or respect the man at all
An author doesn't need to openly say a phrase when they write it in their books. Example Robert Heinlein never said "An armed society is a polite society." He wrote that in Starship Troopers, so he said it by indirect quote.
Sticks and stones may break our bones but their shit will not impress me.
This is off topic, but you have a dynamite voice, man. Very easy and fun to listen to.
Thank you, and I wouldn't even say it's off topic. Audio is generally considered the most important aspect of video so it's huge compliment. I'm always playing with my audio trying to improve it which is why I have an unfortunate habbit of causing issues for myself. But hopefully over time can continue to improve it even more :)
@@disparutoo Rock and Roll! I'm glad I found the channel! Thanks for all the content!