Why I HATE Live Poker
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Play and Rant is back and in this second episode Pete battles it out in the afternoon 200 ZOOM pool while going on a huge rant about why he can't stand live poker. What does Pete think about the high stakes live stream games like Hustler Live and what are other things that put him off playing live poker regularly? - Hry
I think the main thing that attracts poker players to live is that the games are way softer even at much higher stakes. Also if you can find games where you have a big enough edge, you can just avoid spots that have small +ev but are high variance because you'll most likely get lots of way better and less riskier spots. This helps to avoid short term variance even if your long term win-rate may slightly decrease.
Another point is that the larger your winrate the lower your chance of running at a loss over any given amount of hands. If you're a 15BB/100 player live, the chance of you running at a loss after 20k hands is only 1.7%, while if you're only a 2BB/100 player online you need over a million hands to get there. Even 4-tabling 8 hours a day it would take nearly 400 days to get to 1 million hands. So it really depends on how big of a gap there is between your winrates and how much volume you can put in online.
Also, slow pace can make your upswing look really long and give some the illusion that they are making ok money.
A Golf tournament is exactly like a live MTT.
You spend an entire day with dudes you have nothing in common with. 95% of the time you are either walking, looking at others doing shit, searching balls in the woods, waiting for the group ahead finishing the aformentioned activities. When it's time to hit the ball you channel all your GTO spirit (years in the practice range studying stance, grip, angles, weight distribution, tempo, ball positioning, air density, altitude) after debating between a 7 Iron with the ball positioned 3 inches towards your left foot or an 8 iron with the ball in the center (blockers?), just to wack a ball which might easily land in a 50 feet radius in EVERY direction from where you aimed at, because you studied a strategy useful for Tiger Woods but a little worthless for a 20 Handicap.
All of that to hit a couple of decent shots out of 90 (on a good day), which is frankly the equivalent of winning a flip with 20 bb preflop after 5 hours of folding.
Golf is way better though, cause once in a while you get to bang a rich cougar (implied odds?).
But at least you are outdoors enjoying the sun.
I agree....I stopped playing cash at the casino because the regulars were a bunch of fucking idiots. Even though I was winning I just thought the dreariness and irritability of it all wasn't worth the money. They'd talk about hands constantly as well which I hate....I thought the advantage of live would be the social side of it but no....they were poker nerds and totally obsessed which I am not. I like poker as a game and I'm pretty good....Good enough to make a bit of money but what is it about poker that it attracts some of the weirdest most anti social people on the planet. Stick with golf!
I enjoy the meditative element of live poker. just study people and be with yourself for hours on end is peaceful
I love Live Poker, I can be absolutely garbage, but as long as I am less garbage than the rest of em, It's great!
How am I only finding this channel now. This is absolute gold lol
I love touching cards, pushing chips in, having people in front of me
i's just almost another game, feels more authentic than being behing a screen, but I totally understand your point of view
If I had the bankroll, I would clearly be at the casino at least once a week
I hadn't played live for years and when I got back at the tables it felt so cool, I also feel like I'm in a bubble and time stops for a while
The bubble and time stopping is because of the lack of windows
I honestly love these kinda videos (as long as the more nerdy ones are also still there). It's nice to get to know you a bit as a person and also see what you like outside of poker. Also it's not often that I come across a fellow badminton player (best sport ever).
That was really fun. Make some more videos from that series.
I stopped playing online. I play live on Fridays and sometimes on Saturdays. I play like 15% of hands in a 10 handed table. In the meantime, i watch people's body language and try to figure them out.
I look for patterns when they check their cards, waiting for action, when they bet, after they bet. I look at their hands, face, gaze direction to figure out interest and stress etc. I try to reverse engineer if they are strong, marginal or weak.
That is the only good part about live poker i think.
i recently played live for the first time in a long time, it was boring for the most part but i did enjoy analysing people, the part i found hardest was trying to keep count of the pot and other stacks every hand, it was mentally fatiguing. I think the players who like to talk or try get in your head are more suited to live. I do much prefer playing cash live though, with MTT's i just can put in super high volume online, also when i bluffing my arse off and i'm all in i can just hide under my desk, can't do that live can i.
This poker content is amazing. So honest, so entertaining. Pete I'd be happy to be your friend. Much appreciated.
1st point: you play zoom on your phone while playing live poker, sometimes it's a must haha
"objectively, in my opinion." Come for the poker, not for how words work.
i play marathon 12-18 hour live sessions. how do i stay alert and stuff? easy: i fucking love the game. even when i'm not involved in a hand, i love watching the others play. if i'm at a boring table where the players aren't interesting, i move to a different table.
Love the play and rant videos and streams👍
I spend the "dead time" at live games analyzing and watching people with intensity. Observational edges are so much more real in person than online, where expressiveness is limited.
Hey Pete Love the videos. Curious if you’ve ever played Spades?
Play and rant is the best content on this channel imo! loving the new series
Quality rant. Live poker is just so beatable and the human element is usually enjoyable for me.
having been a dealer as well as a player helps with the boredom as im used to it
Glad you made this video. All the same thoughts I have about poker you said clearly. Thanks Pete
Agree with all your points, make more of these rants :)
Live I raised Utg with AA. Went 8 way to the flop lol.
Live poker is like playing chess live. You can get a lot of information about someone you are sitting across from and can slightly modify your play accordingly.
Most top players dont alter their play based on your opponent's personality much in chess, beyond their choice of opening. Once you're out of the opening you just try to play the best moves.
@@DrSuage I guess it depends on what you mean by "top player". I'm an IM and I know other players roughly my strength who do, if they have knowledge of their opponent's preferences.
Reason why I like it is because I can always listen to some music or podcasts, or chat to players at the table. Also feels nice to think a bit more about each hand than online, where I can sometimes get a bit too robotic. Besides that, nice to talk to people there if they're good company.
I have the same with live poker. I start playing every hand to prevent falling a sleep.
I love live poker, especially home games with people i enjoy and windows! Alot more information on which to base decisions as well.
Agree the few tournaments i have played have been painfully slow, but love playing in my redtooth poker league once a week. Good bunch of blokes and a few side bets to win.
I love your videos, been so helpful, I play a lot of online cash games on stars, but I LOVE live poker.
Is there no way to add multitabling to live poker I am thinking about walking around a poker hall with chips hung by your neck?
It's hard to go back to live after multi table 6 max or zoom
What I love about live poker is that you do get to meet so many random people. When your at a 9 handed table its almost guaranteed you can get a conversation going with several people at the table and just have fun. While I am there to make money I have built many great relationships with many different people who I would have never met otherwise. I think this just comes down to do you enjoy talking to random strangers or not, and if you dont I can totally see how live poker would be a pain.
Just to note also im incredibly introverted so I play about 2 days a week live and 5 days online to recover. Online feels like grinding at a desk job in your office vs live feels like a casual business meeting with new perspective clients. For me I need both as I just cant sit there every day alone, but I also cant be social every day.
After playing live poker for 2.5 months all Petes points hit home lol. I think if its fun and the time flies by even if you're card dead its a worthy pursuit
Here in Nevada, they limit the online possibilities so the poker rooms can continue to make money despite the high rake structure. On the table chat, while annoying AF, it is valuable to assess a particular player's strategy.
One thing that I find especially weird in live poker that you don't see online is when a player wins the pot without showing down their cards, they will show one of their hole cards. Usually, this is to show you that "you made a good fold," like showing the top pair or an Ace preflop. Any thoughts on this from a mental perspective??
I'd love to see a video on "Pete Clarke: Goat Farmer and Cat Parent." A background summary of how you got to this point in your life.
Finally, it would be great if you and Melissa could make a "response" video on why she likes live poker
On a side note, I took up bridge in middle school and played through university for a penny a point, but I never found a regular partner in graduate school, so I dropped it. I do agree that it's a better game than poker. Do you have any bridge YT that you follow?
Pete Hollands is pretty great: czcams.com/channels/OaZnFbFH1OlbhVm25z4rLQ.html
There is also a small amount of bridge streaming on twitch, e.g. Matt Weingarten: www.twitch.tv/bridgeoverlord201 there's a link to Matt's discord on that twitch page as well (and from there you can find other discord servers and twitch channels, find matches to practice in, get excellent players to answer bidding or play questions, etc.).
please join us so the game doesn't die lol
The only way I can play live is when there’s something else on like football or NFL or basketball. It’s impossible to focus just on the poker. It is very very winnable though.
I enjoy live poker, but as you say, de gustibus non disputandum est. But I would love to play a game if bridge with you if I ever get to Great Britain (yes, I can play ACOL though I'm from the States). I love poker, but bridge is much more of a lifelong passion. That said, online bridge is faster, yet also not as good. Time being in action is not everything.
Haha I'm getting into live poker and found this video in case you'd done any strategy for it... Answer is loud and clear 😂
Hey,
Great video, big fan of your work.
Your videos have really helped me get my winrate up.
But how can you not like coconuts 😳😳
watching this after hitting 1 pair the entire session after 5 hours of playing in a home game
I feel attacked bro, i like to talk strategy in live games (im a losing player ) 😂
I love live poker because I can be away from my gf talking on and on and on about stuff. I love her, and we play poker together and backgammon but I love being at the casino with my best friend and geek out on our live reads, hands, bad beats, him crushing PLO and drink beer. If it wouldnt be for my friend I wouldnt go as much to the casino ❤
Loved this!
😂EPIC rant! gday from Oz (where online is banned 😒)
To be honest I love bad strategy talk. I would walk away immediately if people started talking about nut advantage and protecting checking ranges 😅
How can anyone not like marzipan? 🍰
I am live player but I totally agree your 3. reason.
please talk more about how great bridge is 👉👈our game needs your help lol
After a decade of grinding Zoom, I also find live poker OBSCENELY slow and dull. It feels like a children's version of the game with so much splashy limping and four players to a flop, etc.
Love the ranting Pete, keep the content coming please 👍
As the president of a chess club I can confirm Chess is either the best game ever or I don't want to play it for months. Especially when you are at your peak rating and start losing.
I love coconut, cherries, but not cherry, and marzipan, so I'm not sure I trust you 😂
I'm definitely not planning to play live, I won't be getting your course at the moment as I can't afford it 😢
"How 'bout that Tony Mowbray?"
if youre a professional there is plenty to do at the table such as take notes , Since we have no data live as we do online its very important to complie data especially when youre playing series such as a WSOPC event as you will run into the same players quite often. if you cant be bothered then yeah you wont be successful or enjoy it. have to agree about table chat.
If you have patience for chess tournaments its suprising you dont have patience for poker ! often chess games last over 3 hours and even when they dont theres a hek of a lot of waiting around ! its a long weekend for a 5 round tournament ! i stopped when covid hit and im not willing to give up my weekends for chess anymore ! though i would play live poker.
Point one, you touched on the solution, just get fucking wasted. That way you're not doing nothing. It also really annoys the nit regs that don't drink when you're 10 beers in and still taking their money.
Great to hear you play chess. I'm graded about 2000, if that is higher than your rating, Pete, maybe we could do a deal: You get me crushing 50NL Zoom and I'll teach you the Sicilian and get you to 2000 ELO 😊
I love live poker, because of the social component. there are more bad players, and i like acting, talking and getting into their heads with stupid comments. i like clowning to disguise my actual abilities. it is manipulative as fuck, but that is the fun part. i hear all your points, but i dont want to be only a click slave on my computer. the casino where i live is over flowing with rich people that have zero knowledge of poker. easy money, cannot say no and i accept the downsides (sometimes boring etc, what you said), the money is too good. :)
100% agree. The worst part of live poker is that most other players in a casino are people I would never choose to hang out with. I prefer to play club games with people I enjoy or who I know are whales.
Just something about shuffling chips...seeing pots physicality come your way. I think VR Poker for real money will change online poker forever if it ever becomes are reality
Pete = 👨🏫 🐐
i agree about the live streams, I don't get why the fuck they are weeding out the pros and putting in these goons like Nik Airball, you need a mix of both. Even triton who streams the best poker (other than the commentators) is starting to host whale only cash games
IDK Id rather play in a 2/5 live game with half baboons and half nits and make 25-30hr easily vs grinding 4 tables of 100nl or 200nl zoom vs regs, at least if my goal was making money. And if you get bored in the live game, just play a Zoom table on your phone during the downtime.
Fair enough.
Dear Carrot Pete,
Will you be my friend?
Thank you,
Poon
but some people think that online poker in gonna be desd soon because of solvers and RTA s and such stuff!! and online poker may be more cheatable
How about playing live cash games but not the same way you play online? So play not optimal way. Call more Axs Kxs preflop, sometimes oop. Overlip some hands, overbluff in some situations. Live poker for me is not only about winnings. It is also about having fun - especially with buddies. So as long I'm not loosing players with my plays, I can play some more hands that I wouldn't play online.
For sure. I love the relationship part of live poker. Would I have it for my main source of income probably not online is better for me. But would love to have it part of the income stream doing both because it's fun. If everyone else are playing bad cards it doesn't hurt to join in on the fun. But being there for soul income having to fold hand after hand yeah can get boring doing every day. But other than that so fun meeting new interesting people. Not the ones who starts arguments and fights in a live setting tho ffs have some respect keep it online where at least people don't have to be in your face and in the same physical room.
But yeah for fun and extra income when in good mood I love live and looking forward to play it again. :)
You dont win live nor online sir
@@1312Mork2 If you always wait for premium hands when playing with friends (let's assume you have some), then you're a peasant, sir
wawsnt talking to you though. You seem to know enough about your game and the fact that you are a looser allready. Its ok though. I also play for fun@@renoxdxd
play for like 2 hours live. i just stay for the drinks and win here and there and leave lol.
You sir, are an ambivert 😊
Yep High Stakes poker streams are not enjoyable to watch anymore. You can never tell where the money comes from and it's fake on lots of levels
Both live poker and tournaments are hell in my opinion so combine them and you have double hell.
I'm an average player but look like a genius at the live games in Texas. You might make a million dollars in one year if you played here LOL
This sure beats 30 minutes of playing live poker. And yes, the poker strategy talk amongst the know-it-alls is horrific.
But that juicy win rate trumps all thooo
You don't like cherries? DUDE...
I hate online poker! Its so rigged! I have pair of Jacks. That other guy calls with 4 K and he wins!
Completely agree about watching poker these days. It is incredibly boring. Bunch of guys playing gto, or a bunch or drunk guys trying to cause drama for views
Live poker is infinitely easier to beat than online...that is why people play. You can easily tell the kind of person you're playing against live...especially at stakes lower than 5/10. You're also discounting the game that is live poker. It's a different game. You can study the math and the "23.4 % of the time we're supposed to raise here"...but can you 3 barrel bluff a significant amount of money and not care? I respect the live players. Poker was made to play in person. Online is great to get better at the game - and if you can make a living doing it (like make 300k+ a year) ... awesome.
I get all of that, however, live poker is full of terrible players which is the attraction. If youre sitting on a table where everyone is playing somewhat reasonably then yes, you are wasting your time. Live poker only good if you have a good table.
Lol you wonder why we play life Poker and then proceed to describe a scenario in which someone is opening Q4s utg and then MP 3bets J8s and 3 players cold call and act like that’s a bad thing.
Is you’re playing less than 30% vpip live then you’re a nit.
Who the hell EVER discusses Strat? You actually do that vs winning regs? Wth! Life table banter should be anything but Strat.
WERE YOU FLUSHING DUDE? I PUT YOU ON KINGS OR FLUSHIE
Poker attracts people that think they're much smarter than they really are. It's why I stopped playing live.
You sound like you are the people you talk about because if what you say is true you should definitely be playing live.
The quality of the company live at the hippo is appalling. I'd rather play £20 banter stakes with my mates and get pissed than spend 30 mins chatting to the people there. I had a chap bragging about having worked at Lehman brothers during the collapse, whilst he donk bet 150% pot in a squeezed pot.
Pete I really feel the same way, I couldn't bare it after like 4 hours on Friday.
Put another way, your win rate is their mistakes you don't make minus the rake. If they are making these gargantuan mistakes and broadcasting them, you win. Do you like money?
you got AK? you flushin? lmfao
Can’t beat 10x win rates
If you think there's nothing to do at live poker... You suck at live poker and don't deserve to play the (live poker) game.
I kid. But.
The only time you get to rest is during shuffling and tanks. The rest of the time there's more happening than you can possibly pick up. A six hour session is exhausting. Hand placement, timing tells, speech tells, interaction levels with TV, food, other players... Players' styles change wildly from hour to hour. You do not get to "figure out how they play" and then retreat into your phone.
60K live hands needs to be in 2-3 years. I played 4-5 times a week for a year and it was like max. 30-40 hands pr. hour. Winrate was very high like 90% of sessions. But I like online poker a lot more.
of course. you won 90% of sessions, with a high winrate. But you like online poker a lot more. Who are you trying to fool here? I believe not one word of yours is true. You are authentic and posses as much integrity as a run over cat. God...
lol you won 90 percent of your sessions? You available for coaching? lol
theres better things I could be doing with my time at night then winning 2-300 an hour? Live is where the fish are. You def dont need good cards (vpip 20% LOL) when players are opening about 40% and calling all three bets. I play live because its EASY and juicy. Why do you spend so much time grinding online, there easy ass money to be won. Ill take my game selection skill over your GTO knowledge any day.
😂😂😂
you dont like marzipan?? insta un subbed... just kidding.
This video felt super whiny and a little bit entitled
Mission accomplished then I guess.
It's funny because online players can't beat anyone live because they don't have there huds to help them make decisions.
f live poker
Ah, Peter, what you don't seem to understand is the pleasure of condescension. As C.S. Lewis put it, when he plays with his cat, he can be very cat-like, but his cat can never be human-like. Since God isn't real, what is our frame of reference for God? What is the one thing God can do that actually defines him in our frame of reference... as God? That, my friend, is condescension. Becoming a human for shits and giggles. Or to redeem humanity. Tomato tomahtoe.
So, you can sit down at a table with 8 other men, and (especially if you've studied live reads) obliterate them. Every time. You might think I'm a total donk, but live, I have just won 18 out of my last 20 sessions and that's not abnormal. Your wine rate could legitimately be 50bb/100. To dominate is human; to condescend is divine.
Online poker is rigged, and people could theoretically be on a multi phone call and share cards with one another. It's way easier to cheat at online, so that's why live is better. Poker is a game of people and behavior.
Hilarious 😂 I think I’d pay to sit at a live table with you - just for entertainment value - to watch you squirm! I’d definitely say stuff like “yeah, I’m normally a button clicker but I feel like I have more of a skill edge live . . . “
“I’m going to charge you for your draw . . . “ 😂😜🥸