Scottie Pippen is one of the more overrated players in league history - Skip I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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- Excerpts from Scottie Pippen’s memoir still have social media buzzing yesterday as Pippen didn’t hold back about how he felt about Michael Jordan and his documentary “The Last Dance.” Some people are criticizing Pippen for calling out the teammate that helped turn him into a household name, while others are sticking up for Pippen's important role on the Chicago Bulls' dynasty. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate whether Pippen's career is overrated or underrated.
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Scottie Pippen is one of the more overrated players in league history - Skip I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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SpEAKZ'💥🏀👑🌹👔SHARPE!!! KNOTTZ' SKIPZ.....
Skip seems to be begging for a player to just run his character in the dirt. And the words they use to attack him are going to visceral because he loves to pick ONE event and make that their entire career and slam with with emotions. He will never answer Shannon’s question he will just say “well yea”. Where ever Jason Whitlock is that is where Skip needs to go. He is Pippen and Shannon is Jordan
I think he is the best DEFENDER
@@jaytaylor3273 : EXCELLENT🍷🍷🌹👔👑🏀!!!
Skip really the GOAT unless he talking about Tebow, T.O, Lebron, Cowboys 😂😂😂
Shannon: "Hey yo Skip, I had some really bad diarrhea last night!"
Skip: "I know, I was there, and I covered it"
Boo 👎😑
Look here 300 y'all gone leave my dude Skip alone 😂 When you get older you gonna realize you had a great life! I know it's hard to understand that Skip covered the war between the states but that's YOUR issue!!😂🤣😂
skip forgets how vital pippen was to the 1991-1993 bulls...when he was a true superstar..yes by 1998 he started to be a bit over the hill on offense...but late 1990-mid1997 pippen is one of the best two way wing players for a 7 year stretch in nba history and thats a fact....he was not just mj's sidekick he was legit a top 1a at worst 1b wing in the nba every year of that span next to peak grant hill a few hairs better than james worthy and better than chris mullin glen rice peak larry johson peak robert horry reggie lewis...and it was not even close between him and those guys in those 6 years for who you would rather have...grant hill was the only one who came close and it was clear hill was 2nd to pippen on the wing due to defense...and hill was basically a walking 21.5 9 7 and 2 a night on 48% fg for a 5 year stretch
Skip: I know…I was there…I covered it…it was bad!…it was a 3 roll event.
Awesome comment true skip has covered everything geez
After this story came out Skip stepped in front of Jordan, put his hand up and said “I got this one, Mike.”
Lmao 🤣
lmaoooooooo
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😂😂😂
He pulled a Martin Lawrence. Jordan slide, slide. I got this one
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It’s hard to say Pippen has been underrated when he was named one of the top 50 best players of all time.
in late 1997 pippen was a top 30 player all time..but things change man...hes not even top 40 to me now..sorry...
If the bulls don’t draft him his legacy is the same as Jim McDaniels
@@michaelb7857 Who? Oh wait, nevermind.
He should be higher than 50 thats a insult
Pippen is overrated. Sure he’s a great defender and decent scorer but that’s about it. People usually put him in the mid 20s in the list which is too high, considering the long history of great HOF players. Pippen is more between in the list of 40-50.
Can we appreciate the fact they are constantly taking about Jordan and the Bulls almost 25 years later? That's how great they were.
And to this day his shoe line is still what all the young people want to wear over any other basketball player.
@@anthonyriordan2391 if all you hear is this shoe is good wouldn't u want one?
@@arnoldjohn5581 I'd love to have some. I wear SC3s mostly, and by mostly I mean every day lol. Yeah they're awesome shoes, I do think people, some people, get too obsessed I over Jordans but almost everyone has something like that's whether it's their car or their physique or whatever
Scottie Pippen Ain’t Doing Nothing But Making Me Wanna Watch “The Last Dance” Again 😂
I'm on my second round of it. 😄
Facts
I watched all 10 episodes.its epic...
Right
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Didnt MJ say at the very beginning of the last dance "i didnt win without Scottie Pippen" and "thats why i consider him my greatest teammate of all time" and "he was a pleasure to play with" and "whenever they speak Michael Jordan they should speak of Scottie Pippen" !?
And that Scottie said this is condescending of MJ. Well heck no wonder you're getting flack for it.
Scottie would be just another "good" player in the NBA history. He is "the" Scottie Pippen because he played with MJ and the rest is history.
he did! and it was the first thing MJ mentioned in his hall of fame speech too
@@LSmallCatL the fact of the matter is that Scottie Pippen is discussed more and praised more than he deserves because of Jordan. Everyone in the 90's is under Jordan's shadow, not just his teammates. I'm from Houston and Hakeem was picked first draft the same year as Jordan was picked 3rd. We passed up on Jordan in favor of Hakeem and Hakeem was so great that we're not even mad about it. And when Jordan was gone, Hakeem won two rings back to back. Hakeem was arguably the second greatest player in the NBA at that time, not of all time, and hardly anyone even talks about him. I could make a whole list of players in the 90's greater than Pippen who aren't as famous or talked about as much but the point is; had it not been for Jordan, Pippen would have been exactly what he was when he was with the Rockets and the Trailblazers; another great player that no one talks about.
Bronsexuals think it ain’t enough.
@@hastensavoir7782 Do you have any thoughts of your own or do you come in comment sections and type what others came up with? That's pretty sad and pathetic just like scottie 🤣
Skip: "I was there." Scottie: "So where was I?"
a bit hard to see, he's under Jordan's shadow most of the time.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 “so where was I?”
pippen the only player to win 6 rings as a starter and was the 2nd best player on those teams since the start of the 70's next to mj..speaks volumes....he is more important then people admit
@@razkablePippen wasn't a ready made star when he got into the league. I think many people credit Jordan for being integral in Pippen realizing his potential. As such, Pippen is not credited for being some superstar on the team; but was overshadowed because Jordan was just a little better. I think this is the narrative that Pippen wants out there. However, this narrative is false. Honestly, there would be no Pippen without Jordan.
Skip needs to stop hating. Scottie is out of his mind for this, but he isn't overrated. I love MJ. Skip also is an MJ fan, but admit that Scottie was great too!
Pippen was so wonderful he averaged 12 points a game in Portland
Shannon calling out skip when he said Pippen should be mad at him was a top 5 moment lol
Yup 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He knows exactly what he’s saying and stands by it (that Scotty is overrated) so not a call out.
Fax
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so sad to find out the real truth about Jenny. she's probably getting life in prison
I agree with Chris Broussard and Rob Parker. Scottie isn't underrated or overrated. He's gotten enough credit for what he's accomplished. It's just harder to evaluate him being he played next to the GOAT.
Same thing I’m saying
He was solid all way around, wasn't mentally tough was his flaw
Pippen was underpaid. That was the problem. But he managed to keep his grudge with the organization off the court majority of time.
@@boatbyard5110 Defense was crazy , he had a handle and could pass. Also, he could get buckets as well.
Pippen played on a team with LeBron before? 🤨
3:10 Shannon kept pointing at Skip I couldn’t stop dying 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
"He was old though." He was 33. Steph is currently 33. KD is also 33 and came back last year after an Achilles tendon injury.
Played in a tougher era.
Skip will go against his own arguments to protect MJ.
Always 🤦🏾♂️🤣🤣🤣
Just like Shannon would for LeBron 😂
@@thegod5698 Shannon can actually criticize and go against him from time to time. Skip is literally incapable of doing so
@@thegod5698 naw Shannon be having times where he criticizes bron unlike skip that man blind to all the wrongs he does 🤣🤣
@@hydero555 man please Skip & Shannon just alike Shannon will go so far to say things he don't even believe to defend LeBron miss me with that from time to time BS
It’s weird how DWade doesn’t get his due when he won a ‘chip and a Finals MVP before and without LeBron…
Shannon is a bronsexual
I mean he did have shaq, Gary Payton
@@aaroncardona8638 old shaq, old payton
@@aaroncardona8638 they were both way out their prime
@@djzip9231 they were not lol
Again, Jordan guarded Magic the entire finals except for game 2 where he took 3 early fouls. Stop that myth. And Jordan was a better defender than Pippen. And Pippen was not the leading rebounder during the 6 titles either . Please stop that BS.
He did not guard him the entire finals Scottie put that pressure on magic. As great as MJ was he was not a better defender than pippen. He wasn’t far from him but I won’t say he was a better defender.
@@CashOut-vt5tv That's a myth. I got a copy of all their games in the 1991 NBA finals. Pippen did not guard Magic most of the time.
Pippen only guarded Magic I believe the 2nd half of game 2 and the 1st half of game 3 also Pippen DID NOT lead in every category except for points
It’s not a myth, the problem with The Who guarded magic debate is it hides the issue. The original defensive plan for Chicago was for Jordan to EXCLUSIVELY guard magic. Bc they didn’t want magic on their point guards and they didn’t want Jordan on Worthy because he was too big. Once they figured out worthy was not going to be his normal self, they let the dogs loose.
@@mrhoward19801 pippen fouled out in game 3 of the 91 finals jordan took magic on defensively and shut him down in that game in overtime
Jordan guarded Magic for the majority of the 1991 Finals. If you want to say the series flipped in game 2 when Scottie guarded Magic, then fine. But go watch game 3 and see who was guarding Magic for the majority of that game. The full game is on CZcams.
Magic lost that series but he destroyed mj....
@@lusterthomas110 doesn’t matter if you lose, just like LeBron against the 2015 Warriors. Doesn’t matter
@@i_chosen_one_ips432 just like Jordan vs Boston too
@@lusterthomas110 lmao yea he destroyed MJ with 18 8 12. Meanwhile MJ 31 6 11 3 steals 1.5 blocks. 56% from the field
@@lusterthomas110 lol what?
It's funny how skip says "he covered the Chicago bulls last dance" or "he was there in 1998" but nobody saw his credentials in the documentary
Mike is probably annoyed by skip all i can gather
He did work for the Chicago tribune at the time
It was an espn film I don’t think skip would be put on that after leaving espn!
@@gptsiteuser it don't matter cuz i saw reporter's from CNBC and Boston globe reporter's too. Mike wanted guys that he liked and skip for all that talk about him seems his unlikeable by mike
Lmao 🤣🤣
I want everyone to go back to every video about The Last Dance this show covered, and take a shot every time Skip said "I was there in 1998". Lets see how many shots everyone has taken 😂😂😂
I'm in the hospital now bruh
Lmao
Ima have to raise up like the undertaker tomorrow
Alcohol poisoning
You are too young to know dipshit. He actually was there for the bulls and the dinosaurs
My educated guess is if Scottie Pippen hadn't been on the same team as Jordan, he wouldn't have developed into the player that he became. Jordan gave him the assurance to miss shots here and there because if Pippen couldn't deliver, Jordan could just score 60 that night.
Yea rookie Scottie Pippen's 7.9 PPG was really the reason why Jordan won MVP in '88 lol. FOH Shannon. Jordan came in 2nd in MVP voting in '87 (Magic won) and Pippen wasn't even around. Jordan was gonna win one anyways without Pippen.
You don't know that. I'm sure people said the same thing about Ewing, Barkley, Miller, and others, and look how it worked out.
@@georgeklimes7604 Yeah but none of those guys had MJ on their team. Michael would’ve one with another sidekick. But we can play the what if game for perpetuity.
@@alltheworldsastage8597 His scoring average was not substantially different from that of greats who never won. You have to have good help. Having "competent" help may not get you there. Wilt scored over 50 per game in the 1961-62 season but did not win a championship. That's WAY higher than what Jordan ever averaged. In fact, it's like he got what Jordan averaged and scored another 20 (basically like having another player), but it didn't matter. He averaged over 30 for the next 5 seasons after that (getting 44 points per game in 1962-63), but he didn't win. He did win when he averaged "just" 24 and 21 points per game the two times he got the championship. That alone is telling.
Skip just said the greatest sidekick ever is a bum just because he's in love with Jordan, he also forgave MJ for not putting him in the Last Dance.
Lmaooooooooooooooo
Do we consider early Kobe as a sidekick?
@@mitchellajieroh no. He had a dum dumb coach who wouldn't play him
@@mitchellajieroh yup Kobe was a sidekick at one point. That became an all time great.
@@mitchellajieroh no
Skip always be simping for MJ
Skip is a fckn clown 🤡
Tom Brady too 😂
@@thegod5698 Skip most of the time is trolling though, but he is correct about Jordan and Brady.
Nah deep down he simps for LBJ , this is all just smoke and mirrors
@@millabasset1710 no, he’s not. Can’t be a cheater and called the greatest. And there’s players who’ve won more than MJ, we don’t ever talk about them.
Skip “I was there, I covered the dinosaurs back in 2.5 million B.C. when that gigantic Astroid hit the the planet Earth and how the flying dinosaurs was clutch in survival because they could fly away.” Bayless
Lolll the crazy part is he actually did cover the bulls he didnt lie
I agree that MJ made Scottie stronger. But, I was in Chicago too, and Scottie was incredibly great when MJ temporarily retired and went to play baseball. And PS - Bayless consistently made an idiot of himself in every column in the Tribune, just like Marriotti had done in the Sun-times.
How long are we gonna undermine the quality of players on court for the sake of making Jordan and LeBron seem more impressive? Next thing we will hear is Wade, Davis, Kyrie, and Rodman weren’t All-Star caliber players.
Lebronsexuals have already told us Wade had bum knees, Davis and kyrie couldn't win without Lebron so basically...they are all bums in the eyes of Bronsexuals.
Thing is nobody discredits lebrons teamates everyone hates Lebron had good teamates crying about super teams. But act as if Rodman was irrelevant and the disrespect to Scottie is mind blowing. Rodman is one of the greatest defenders and rebounders of all time.
To be fair Rodman wasn’t all star caliber. Joined the bulls at age 34 and never made the all star team for 6 consecutive years- 3 with the bulls and 3 with the teams right before he joined the bulls
@@ogskywalker5669
Pippen is a career 16ppg player and Rodman is a career 13 rpg and 7 ppg.
Meanwhile bron fan boys try to paint them as SUPERSTARS while they talk trash about Wade's knees, AD and Kyrie's lack of winning titles before Lebron and don't even mention the fact he played with Ray Allen.
Ray Allen and Wade already had titles before lebron AND wade even had a FMVPs.
@@jrsmithfanpage7558 Rodman really shoulda been an all star and it was a travesty he wasn’t making it back then. He was the best rebounder and best defensive power forward in the league.
He did lead the Bulls to 55 wins in 94 when MJ was retired, and was a Hubert Davis call away from moving on to eastern conference finals where they most likely would've beaten Indians, but I don't think they would've beaten Houston in the finals without MJ. And helped Portland extend to a game 7 against Lakers in 2000 with a great performance in game 5. He's not overrated.
And then in the season after that he went 23-25 before MJ came back and saved him
Blah blah blah media talk…the 94 Bulls improved the roster with Kukoc etc etc..that’s why Houston wouldn’t have beat Chicago if MJ didn’t retire…in 95 Grant left and the Bulls sucked and in 94 they lost in the second round not the conference championship and the trailblazers lost to the lakers in the conference finals the year before Scottie…they went no further with Scottie addded🤣✌🏽
Portland made the WCF in 99, Scottie was meant to be the deal breaker
@@mrjadter Horace left... Nobody can do it on their own.
Don't forget he took Portland to the playoffs during the west had our Era with kobe and shaq
Scottie Pippen was one of the best defensive players ever, even Kobe acknowledged that. Skip is totally wrong
Ignoring Pippen's crazy recent remarks, and even on light of some of Pippen's miscues from his playing days, he was incredible and what Skip forgets, is how many of those playoff series that were won just as much by Pippen than Jordan. It's just that nobody remembers that, when it's MJ drilling the last second game winning shot, or making some ridiculous superman layup, etc. That's what sticks in people's memories and it's understandable. Sometimes Pippen would own the entire court for 2/3 of the quarter, singlehandedly keeping the Bulls in the game, and then MJ would take over for the rest. He was always the straight man to MJ, so to speak, and MJ always got the punchline, because he deserved it because he was the greatest, especially offensively and in the clutch. Not one of, but THE greatest. During one grueling playoff series, maybe during last dance season, I remember Scottie telling the press, "you all want me to go out and score 40pts a game like Michael, but I'm not the player he is". But he just wanted the respect for being the player he was, and in a lot of ways he did, and in many others he didn't. But MJ always gave Pippen his due, except for one time I felt he was condescending, which was the speech he gave when Bulls retired #33. Other than that, he's made SO many remarks about how great Pippen was, and that's coming from the player with the biggest and most narcissistic ego of all time, so that should say something about how valued he was to MJ.
Oh no. I remember clearly. Jordan would shut you down, but at least everybody saw him doing that. Pip would just make your favorite players look like buffons. Barkley was killing em down low.... and then they put Pip on him. Gary Payton was starting to get it going.... and then they put Pip on him. Remember Grant Hill in Detroit? Pip. Remember the theory that Mason could handle the ball with Pip on him... maybe the Knickss were gonna... Nope. Pip just took the ball off of him.
Pip. He was phenomenal.
Thank you. I want there to be a legitimate Goat debate. Not one where people slander
Shannon: "Scottie should be mad at guys like you (skip bayless) that call him overrated"
Facts
Great player but never winning without Mike really hurt his image
@@manz7860 did Mike win without him?
@@manz7860 mike never won without him let alone come a game away from ecf
@@manz7860 winning a title? Or still going to the playoffs? Without Pippen what championships did he win? Pippen continued going to the playoffs as a rocket and trailblazer, Jordan didn't go to playoffs as a wizard
I’ve never seen such a blasphemous title. Pippen is one of THE greatest Two-Way players the league has ever seen
The man had the ability to do just about everything on the court
Except score
He barely averaged over 19 ppg
Without Pippens Tough Play Jordan would have not had success against those tough Pistons and Knick teams! 💪🏿
@@ArtisanWindchimes pretty much during their finals runs he averaged 19-21 ppg.
Peter Paz why didn’t he average 25 when Jordan retired then?
Skip whenever he talks about the Bulls: I WAS THERE
Pippen is not overrated. He is heavily underrated. People mostly look at stats, championships and overall playing ability. Pippen was a great teammate who encouraged players being harassed and insulted by MJ. However, his most important contribution to the Bulls' dynasty was being a top 5 player in the entire league (as shown when MJ was out), but only demanding 10% of the team salary cap. Per dollar, Pippen was extremely valuable to the Bulls by performing at a very high level, and durable for 8 straight years, demanding only 10% of the salary cap. To make a contemporary analogy. DeMar Derozan has about the same PER as Pippen over his career - Pip's was probably considerably more valuable in Chicago because his performance plummeted in Houston/Portland. If you give a franchise a perennial all-star for eight years for only 10% of the salary cap, they will (barring unfortunate injuries) do great. This can be expressed in two ways, (a) they can attract to max-level superstars, and have an all-star, or (b) hire very good role players. Scientifically speaking, Pippen is at least as responsible for the Bulls' dynasty than MJ.
What were pippens numbers without all the attention of opponents trying to stop MJ. Show me Scotties numbers with Portland and Houston. If he didn't ave 25ppg or better I don't wanna hear it's MJs fault pippen didn't shine with the Bulls because of MJ Phil ,or anybody else
@@Dennis-bu9gr Well, the best comparison to Pippen's performance without MJ is the 1994-94 season with the Bulls. It's the best comparison because everything is almost the same. He was also the main guy on offense on that team. That means, no MJ, and no-one else to bail him out. Pip had 22 points, 8,7 boards, 5.6 assists, 2.93 steals with 49%FG. The bulls won 55 games, and lost to the Knicks in the second round voting. He finished 3rd in MVP. I would say that Pippen did fantastic without MJ in Chicago.
In Houston or Portland, he was old, had too big contracts, and he was never the main man. Houston was also too old as Hakeem and Barkley were on their last legs.
Your notion of 25 points is arbitrary and over-emphasizing scoring.
Your line of argumentation could be used in reverse. What did MJ do without Pippen? Early exits in the playoffs, and not even getting into the playoffs. I feel that Pippen gets discredited because some fans want to put MJ among the Gods. By reducing Pippen, they think that the elevate MJ.
Finally, there is one person who does not disrepect Pippen's basketball performances, and that's MJ himself. In one championship year, he told everyone that Pippen and him had equal value in the Finals series, and he wanted to share it with Pippen. Also, many years later, in MJ's HoF fame speech. What was the first thing he said? "In all the videos, you didn't happen to see just me. (You) saw Scottie Pippen (in) Every championship I won." That was his way of giving credit to one of the most underrated players of his generation.
@@MrClebophd There's a reason anywhere between 66-to 71 pct of people think MJs the GOAT. At the 75 greatest ceremony the fans gave Kobe and MJ the loudest applause, the NBA had him come out last and had him in a circle by himself. They could, have put lebron Magic or anybody else there. The NBA and majority of the people know MJ is the best to ever lace em up. But people have the right to die on any hill they choose
@@MrClebophd Ya, unfortunately Scottie is still in the shadow of MJ. People want to overvalue or devalue Scottie based upon how they feel about MJ. I basically agree with you that Scottie is a very great player. He's not as good as MJ simply because MJ may have been the best offensive player ever. That's pretty big in a game like basketball. Anyhow, people are out of their minds thinking that one man can win 6 championships. The Bulls had so much success because they had two top 10 ever players with great chemistry and durability.
He was an time great defensive player. Offensively he was just ok
Scottie led the dream team in assists, a team with Magic and Stockton. Amongst superstars of superstars, he led in dimes and Charles led in scoring
Doesn't mean much. D-Wade led the Redeem Team in scoring over Lebron and Kobe.
doesnt this mean he’s basically lebron james?
Overrated. I remember saying that then
@@Jon155mt And dwade is one of the greatest sgs ever😂 What do you mean
Dwade is only behind Jordan and Kobe tho🤣🤣
He’s not overrated and he doesn’t get enough props for helping the bulls win 6 titles.
100 percent fax
Overrated he’s a poor mans kawhi who chucks up bricks
that last two years he was really unreliable in playoff time
@@andresdelportillo9917 just say you never watched scottie play
@@andresdelportillo9917 if you actually believe that nonsense you have no business discussing basketball!
Even Paul George finished 3rd in the mvp race in 2018 season. And skip is right that Scottie wouldn’t be in the top 50 if it wasn’t for Michael Jordan. I don’t think he would be any better than Paul George.
jordan will also not be a 6 time champion
How come they always bring up that Scottie won 55 games without MJ but the season after they where on pace to almost miss the playoffs or at least be 8th seed till Jordan came back and have that 13-2 run to the playoffs. Scottie is properly rated in my view. But the notion that Mj had success in the playoffs because of Scottie is asinine. In his first year he barely played the playoffs and Mj was already being Mj. Scottie was not the reason Mj had playoff success it was his transcendent play. But Pippen was obviously made them over the top down the line. Pippen is great but obviously playing along side Mj made him elevate to another level. Pippen needs to stop being bitter lol. Mj always gives props to him no matter what.
They lost Horace Grant bud. Big difference lol
Why would u use TWO years later when the team had changed MORE?
Lotta people don't realize just the 6 years the Bulls won Pip made 5 All NBA Teams & 6 All Defensive Teams.... in ALLLLLLLL of Lebrons EIGHTEEN seasons ALLLLLL of the players on Lebrons teams COMBINED have made 5 All NBA Teams & TWO All Defensive Teams (Varejo in '09 & AD in '20). 😳😳😳🤔🤔🤔
And u have ur words wrong... of course he's not the reason for JORDAN having playoff success (mj played great in the playoffs before having Pip). He was the missing piece for why the BULLS had playoff success. He was a top 3-10 player while they were winning.
Not a coincidence they lost to Detriot in '90 when Pip had his migraine in game 7. Then the next season Pip was so good he was an elite All Defense defender PLUS able to avg 20/9/6 in the Finals. The Bulls had the best duo in the league at a time when there started to only be teams with single or duo great players. The league adding so many expansion teams from '88-'95 (right before both Bulls 3 peats) spaced out/diluted the league. Bulls were the only great team while they were winning.... usually there are 2-3 (great teams KEEP making Finals.... & not a coincidence most of them have 3 or more HOFers).
@@jessekittrell2946 they added more ppl when Jordan left so why does that change not count??
@@jessekittrell2946 lol he was never top 5 or even ten y'all tripping
@@nicholasdelgado6949 He made First-Team All NBA from 1994-96, so he has a case of being a top 5 player in that span.
Pippen aint overrated... he might have lost his damn mind over the last few years but he adds A LOT to a team
He would be a benchwarmer in today’s nba can’t defend the way he used too and he sucked at shooting 3s
@@bobbyrivera2951 stop it
@@bobbyrivera2951 LOL
@@bobbyrivera2951 Lmaooo. I think he’s neither overrated nor underrated. There are players like that. But you were bugging lol. But people do try to give him too much credit for those championships tho.
@@alltheworldsastage8597 yeah those people are just Bronsexuals lol
I always love how the chick will ask Shannon a question, and Shannon will respond to skip
💀
She gets mad lmfao
That’s because he hit 😂😂
@@mrsmokeright 🤣🤣🤣
SCOTTIE isn't underrated or overrated...he is rated right where he belongs.
Some people do overrate pippen putting him top 28 all time...hes not that
Playing alongside a great player is a great thing. Scottie was always part of the great equation called the Chicago Bulls. Michael was becoming great before Scottie got to the NBA. Scottie should know better. Be a gentleman, Brother /G\.
And MJ never won a damn title without Scottie Pippen either, so he has validity in whatever he wants to say
@@rinchan2645 lol if you say so
Best NBA duo ever 👏👏 Can't imagine 23 without automatically seeing 33 🏀🏀
Definitely they are but Kobe Shaq might be better
Kobe and Shaq: Kareem and Magic, Stockton and Malone. All better. Anyone decent paired with Jordan would be great.
@@vegetalover9297 not with only 3 rings and a loss
Jordan and pippen was the best duo
I can.
Jordan and Malone wouldn’t have worked not enough balls to go around. Stockton and Jordan could have worked but no where near as good as Jordan and Pippen because of the lack of perimeter defense pippen brought. Barkley and Jordan wouldn’t have worked for the same reason Malone and Jordan wouldn’t have worked. Actually now that I think about it no one could have complimented Jordan the way Pippem did outside of a guy like Lebron who has a similar skillset.
I never looked at winning championships as being considered the best. Jordan’s talent was obviously above anybody else. Scottie was decent offensively. It was his defense that was all world.
Decent? He was very good offensively for the time actually.
@@punch975 exactly for THAT time. He had size so it was respectable. But if defense in any era would be elite. Jordan never played with another elite scorer
@@punch975 he was not very good
“It took Shaq moving on for us to get a proper appreciation of Kobe and his ability”. What did Scottie pippin do when he moved on from the bulls and Jordan? Never averaged over 15 points at Houston or at Portland. Never made a finals series the list goes on. Michael went to the wizards and still averaged 21 points a game in his time there including 8 games with 40+.
Nobody saying he better than mike boss. He underrated because his prime was him being the second best player in the league for 3 different 3 peats
@@johnnywolfington2975 LMAO Pippen was never top 5 let alone the 2nd best player in the league.
Pippen was a great player, but Skip is right: He wouldn´t have been named a top 50 player, if he was the leader of his team, no way. Not good enough offensively. By the way I like this story (told by former teammate Chris Hodges): “I can remember this time in, I think, 1990 when Scottie decided to challenge Michael one day in practice. Michael kind of backed up for a half-second. Then he proceeded, literally, to score on Scottie at will. It was incredible. I mean, Scottie Pippen even then was one of the best players in the league and Michael just rained points on him. Scottie had to step back and say, ‘Slow up, man.'”
Agreed. Jordan's years in Washington are statistically about as good as scottie best season. 16 , 5 , and 6 aren't h.o.f numbers unless you're with mj winning titles . Mj came into the league averaging 28 for a bulls team that damn near was to be sold. Pippen won because of mj , there's no way mj wouldn't have been a champion even without pippen. The more he talks like this the more the points of him being overrated get revealed.
Skips acts like he’s the only person who witness the bulls play with their own eyes😂😂
exactly.Skip tripping. I lived in chicago from 80s to 2000s... Scottie got LOVE in chicago. he was NEVER looked at as over-rated. Jordan got the most love but scottie was lebron status in chicago during that time. bj armstrong and kukoc , rodman and steve kerr, etc Everybody got love in chicago and everybody played a role in the win
But was you there?
But no team got Chilove like "da Bears" from 85. The kicker was getting endorsement deals.
skip likes to underrate the 1991-1993 playoffs pippen had...man was basically 22 8.8 and 6.5 2.1 and 1.2 a night back then in wins on good shooting numbers fg% wise and elite defense...thats a legit superstar next to mj not some robin...he was the best wing in the nba ...the best sf those 3 playoffs...
@@russellburgess684 Umm no. The bears don't compare to the Jordan bulls.
He is highly under appreciated. That is the truth, yeah he didn’t win a ring by himself during the 94-95 season. But to say he is overrated. MJ said it best there is no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen.
People forget Michael didn't one without Pippen either
@@MrSuperman957 if you watched 97-98 season and Finals Bulls kinda did win without Pippen. Dude scored 8 pts and barely played game 6 vs Jazz because he had back problems 🤷🏽♂️
@@MrSuperman957 nobody forgets it Cux everyone including Jordan says it. Lol it’s more that Scotty got so much recognition but not on the level that jordan did
@@therealkid617 nobody has ever put Pippen on the level of Jordan. So that’s false.
@@nate8604 that’s…literally what I said..
Just to interject: MJ said this, in The Last Dance, I believe, if I'm not mistaking... "You can't mention Michael Jordan without Scotty Pippen, when it comes to winning..."
Shannon said that
Kobe & Shaq were as close as you can get to both guys being batman. At their peak both guys averaged 30ppg in the playoffs. Scottie was robin lol
To the people that say Scottie was trash his rookie year…keep in mind he only was allowed to play 20 mins a game as a top 5 pick in the draft. When they let him start in game 5 of the Closeout game against the Cavs he had 24 points 5 assists 6 rebounds and 3 steals. He had potential they just ain’t let him show it until later in the year.
Ok..he had one good game....but as a no5 pick....trash....he was trash for 3 years....
Did people forget how long it took Kobe to develop? Remember the air ball game? He was pretty messy for a few years. To his credit he kept working and won 2 without Shaq
So you gonna ignore how he had 2 points in 24 minutes the game after against the pistons? Or how he had 4 points in 26 minutes the game after that? Or how he had 15 points in 32 mins? Or how he had 15 points in 37 minutes? Or how he had 11 points in 42 mins?
It wasn’t just Scottie , they also drafted Horace grant
@@famousdex1782 these Laker/Bron stans love cherry picking info
Scottie is under appreciated. Amazing defensively and Jordan started winning after Scottie was drafted.
Jordan didn't start winning BECAUSE of Pippen. Stop pushing false narratives.
No he didn’t Pippen was a bum until 91
@@JoseHernandez-dd1jk Pip made the all star team by his 3rd year in the league. He was solid when they finally let him start for a full season. Doug Collins tried to use him as a 6th man at first lol 😅. This is is why coaching matters boys and girls
@@LakersNinersFan get off Jordan's nuts with your nonsense! He was a complete loser before Pippen when Jordan retired Pippen won 50 plus games without Mike and then when they both separated after 98 Jordan was a loser in Washington as well
Jordan didnt start winning playoff series b/c of Pippen, but he did start winning chips when Scottie took that leap
So Pippen didn't get Jordan a call or condolences after his father passed says a lot about Pippen. MJ is the goat and yes he was arrogant but that's what made him great. Rodman was great defensively but for for them to win with Rodman as a liability on offense. Only player Jordan played with that was great was Pippen in my opinion.
When you have an all-time great scorer like Kobe, MJ, kevin durant etc. the best way to make sure they succeed is to build the team around them, you don’t get more ball-dominant shooters. The reason the Bulls were so successful is because Jordan put up the buckets while the other guys were legendary role players.
You will NEVER see a Solid Pippen fan, just a Bronsexual in disguise as some guy who highlights Pippen’s value.
Seems like this time Pippen is the one that took it personally.
🤣🤣🤣
MJ finally getting his energy back
He should've took what Future did personally 😂
Pippen taking things personally is different from when Jordan did it, Jordan made people eat their words and all Pippen does is pout.
@@thegod5698 Pippen looking at the Gucci flip flop, that’s a scary sight
I think a lot of this may have to do with the fact that Scottie's wife is going thru her HO phase as she approaches 50. This is embarrassing to Scottie. Coupled with the fact he did not stack his paper like Jordan .
You know his son died in April?
@@MrReverseOreo yes, and I think he might need help. Whatever he's doing rn with this book isn't coming from a level-headed place and is likely to backfire. Pippen has always had a tendency to self-sabotage and he needs to address that before potentially torpedoing his legacy.
@@SweetJeopardy He is a good basketball player, but the guy screams low iq.
Ex wife is in HO phase, son died... it´s a lot. As for the stacking part... Scottie made more salary money than MJ in his NBA career.
@@jonathandiazmayagoitia5909 He made somebad financial decisions, but he was never broke. Not close to it, but some outlets made it look like he was Antoinne Walker or something.
Pippen was best perimeter defender in nba history. Led bulls in every category except scoring. Was on Dreamteam in 92. Is in hall of fame. He was definitely underrated. When mj left in 94 he almost led them to the NBA finals. Team still won like 55 games and he finished 3rd in MVP voting. He was a beast. Skip is wrong on this
Magic had 19 with that triple double in game 1. MJ also had a triple double, but with 36. Magic averages stayed the same the rest of the series as game 1. So GTHOH with that false narrative Shannon!
That’s all they push on TV is narratives !!
Scottie Pippen is the most under appreciated Champion of all time !
Dwade
I don’t know how you can be viewed as the greatest wingman and one of the greatest defenders and be under appreciated
Mozgov
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@@gatorboy21king he has 6 rings and doesn’t get enough recognition unless it’s something controversial.
He was always a little bit underrated throughout his career but over the past six or seven years in the "let's try and tear down Michael Jordan" era from certain fans and certain media members Scottie has become pretty overrated
Pippen was incredible and the disrespect is REAL
Perhaps, but it wasn’t MJ wasn’t the one doing the disrespecting so there’s no need for that much smoke because Scottie just looks like a bitter and jealous little boy.
Skip's face when he speaks about MJ 😂😂😂😂 like a lovestruck teenager talking about his crush
Scottie is perfectly rated in my opinion.
Agreed.
16ppg 5rpg and 4apg for your career and being put as one of the best is simply overrated. The guy shot 33% from 3s and 70% from Fts. Plus, Chris Webber, Chris Mullin and Grant Hill had better career PER than him. He is overrated.
@@jordzbuenafe6239 casual
Unless you think he is top 20-25, Scottie is a top 30-45 player ever.
Agree. I don't think he has anything to prove and I don't get why he's pulling these stunts rn. I doubt Scottie even knows what would make him feel satisfied at this point.
Without Scottie MJ wouldn’t have won anything and even MJ said that so people like Skip needs to stop the hate
Overrated
And Scottie wouldn’t have a career without jordan
@@rahimi4762 ...No he's not. Stop the Pippen hate.
@Mike S no need to cry
@@qdigggs Says who? 5 teams were actually scouting Pippen before entering the NBA draft, including the Bad Boy Pistons. So, who are you to assume he wouldn't have had a career without your manufactured idol?
If Ewing had Scottie, all three would have dramatically different legacies
Some people overrate him. I've even seen people saying he was the 2nd best player in the 90's which is just ridiculous. But it is also absurd to ignore how important he was for the Bulls dynasty. I believe Jordan would still win a couple of rings without Pippen, as the league lacked a powerhouse team (other than the Bulls) after bad boys Pistons and until the Jazz. But still, those 2 three peats wouldn't happen. Pippen was an amazing defender and one of the early examples of a point forward. Despite it not being his strong suit, his scoring was also crucial for the Bulls as they weren't necessarily a great offensive team. Scottie was their only reliable scoring option other than Jordan's heroics.
They lose to Houston without Pippen
@@vegetalover9297 Maybe, maybe not. They were the 6th seed in their 2nd championship. There were by no means an unbeatable opponent like 80's Celtics or bad boys Pistons.
What if pippen guarded Jordan
Lotta people don't realize just the 6 years the Bulls won Pip made 5 All NBA Teams & 6 All Defensive Teams.... in ALLLLLLLL of Lebrons EIGHTEEN seasons ALLLLLL of the players on Lebrons teams COMBINED have made 5 All NBA Teams & TWO All Defensive Teams (Varejo in '09 & AD in '20). 😳😳😳🤔🤔🤔
Oh get out of here with that narritave LeBron picks where he wants to go and his team mates
Look folks , without Phil Jackson , Scottie Pippen , Dennis Rodman , Ron Harper , or Robert Horry ? Jordan or Kobe would have ZERO Rings , and be both just another Tracy McGrady , or Vince Carter Dunk Master .
you forgot the guys in the bench that take care the towels and drinks.without them jordan doesnt win.these guys need to be appreciated....
@@juventinos81 Oh yeah you mean the guys that take care of Jordan's chewed gum , fill his Gatorade cup , or take his funky towels off of his head or neck 😂 . I agknowledge those suckers 😂
Without Wade and Kyrie LeBron would be a glorified Shawn Marion lmao
@@cruzzz5738 Bwahahahahahaha ITAFJ ? Shawn Marion ? Shawn Marion isn't worthy to wash Lebron's Tripple Double Average in the Finals / Finals MVP jock strap doof . Shawn Marion is a G League talent compared to Lebron . Lebron is the Greatest Impact NBA player ever that has played and defended 5 positions for 19 seasons . Others play in a system . Lebron is his own Championship system . Lebron's resume is unheard of Greatness , maximum impact , unchallenged , unmatched by anyone .
Lebron will be the Scoring King in the Regular Season , Playoffs , and Finals soon .
Lebron will have statues and His Numbers retired for 3 or more teams when he retires
Only player to win 4 Finals MVPs for 3 teams in the West or East within 2 season on each team .
Can resurrect any team with any player or coaches and win Finals MVP within 2 seasons . He has done it 3 times already
Has went to 10 Finals with 5 different Coaching Staffs hahahahaha . That's because Lebron was the Head Coach of all of his teams .
Lebron traded half of his team personally mid season for new players from a losing team . Developed those unproven players personally , and still made the 2018 Finals .
If you can find , or name an NBA player EVER with EPIC stats , and accolades like this ? You're a Brain Surgeon Hahahahahahaha Good Luck .
Lies. He was a mvp and dpoy before pippen even got there. And Vince and t Mac don’t have either, smh.
Isiah Thomas called Scottie Pippen overrated too 😂
Isiah also called Lebron the goat, so I guess he only speaks facts
Loved Scottie during the run. Never thought he wasn't a big reason for the success. But he's lost his mind, his feelings are hurt by family/wife drama and he's destroying his legacy. Destroying his friendships.
The bottom line of the whole controversy is this:
1) MJ23 should’ve been more sensitive of how his #1 (Pippen) was portrayed in THE LAST DANCE. MJ23 has gone on record that Pippen was with him in every championship run and he needed Pippen to win 6 rings.
2) Pippen coming out with his tell-all book ripping MJ23 apart and giving interviews where he trashes MJ23 was VERY WRONG. Pippen could’ve been more PC with his criticism of MJ23. Instead of calling out MJ23, Pippen could highlight his accomplishments and his team’s accolades. You don’t look like a class act by criticizing the GOAT.
In regard to THE LAST DANCE, the primary focus was MJ23 so Pippen has a point the documentary should’ve been about the Bulls team. Although I agree that MJ23 wanted THE LAST DANCE to be all about him so he can become relevant again and not lose his brand equity to LBJ, there was NO REASON to expose this. It really seems that Pippen is jealous of MJ23’s financial success. Pippen is just trying to figure out how to make 💰 and he’s chosen the route of creating controversy by trashing MJ23. I hate to see this because I always thought Pippen & MJ23 were good friends but I can’t see them mending the fence (if it even ever existed).
Did you know that Magic’s averages for that series was exactly the same as his numbers from game one? Lol. Tell me again how Scottie shut Magic down and MJ couldn’t…… stop it😂
Pippen did give Magic hard time than Jordan. Jordan couldn’t guard Magic in the block if you actually saw the games. Lakers would’ve won that finals if Worthy & Scott weren’t injured.
@@richardlee2142 Worthy and Scott played half of the series. They lost 4-1😂😂🤣
@@jordzbuenafe6239 thank you. The Bulls was definitely winning that series regardless
Skip saw with his own eyes. Why Skip acting like he covered the bulls throughout and not just 98, when Scottie was obviously on the downslide and hurt ?
Pippen was a great defender but offensively he was average … and he was never ever clutch …. MJ IS THE GOAT
No MJ without Scottie, No championships without Scottie, Michael J. could not win a championship till Scottie got there.
Love the Griffey Jr comment, Griffey Jr was the best baseball player I have ever watched play the game. Best all around.
No he's not skip. He's one of the best defenders ever. And a top 10 SF ever. Skip just starts narratives.
Scottie pippen in today’s game would be a glorified donkey green. Kyrie, bosh, wade, adisney, goatbrook all better than pippen
@@GetGr8 you have zero clue what you are talking about
Skip typical clown. Pippen best wing defender ever and in their 6 title runs 91-93 & 96-98 Pippen averaged more apg, rbg, spg, bpg then MJ! That’s 4/5 major categories! Now to be fair they were all somewhat close and MJ averaged 33 ppg compared to Pippen’s 20 ppg so MJ was more important BUT Scottie was incredibly valuable and there is a reason MJ has never won a playoff series (he won one playoff game first 3 years w/out Pippen).
MJ & LeBron my 1A & 1B GOAT. I love both and saw them both but I’m also objective! Skip lacks zero objectivity. Pippen is not close to overrated and was incredibly important to Bulls winning any of their 🏆!
1990-98 Pippen was arguably 2nd best all around non big in NBA behind only MJ! His first team All NBAs totals, & 1st team all defense totals those years show that!
Pippen 1990-98 playoff stats while being the best SF defender who could guard 1-4 better then anyone (made first team all defense every year and year MJ retired Pippen led Bulls to 55 wins, 3rd in MVP voting and was bad call away vs Knicks in ECSF from facing my Pacers as favorite in 1994 ECF Finals).
20 ppg
8 rbg
6 apg
2 spg
1 bpg
He was a Paul George with way worse offense. A robin. A complementary star that choked in the playoffs and Jordan had to carry the team. Very soft and unreliable when it mattered the most. Thats what he was. A Paul George but with a worse and more raw offenseive skillset
@@erikpuka2627 love P G as Pacers fan and he’s a very good defender but he’s not close to as great as Pippen defensively. Pippen had many big games in playoffs and Finals stop it. The first 3 peat especially he was like 21, 8, 8 in finals and best defender on floor! Stop trying to discredit a 1st ballot HOF to try and uplift MJ. Pippen literally averaged more apg, rbg, spg, bpg then MJ in playoffs 90-98 when they won 6 titles! You can’t be higher then the amazing all time Top2 GOAT (MJ 1A LeBron 1B) MJ in playoffs 90-98 in 4/5 major categories and be soft/overrated.
33 is absolutely underrated …
I love MJ .. but bruh: there ain’t no MJ without SP - holla
U got to be crazy 😂😂😂
MJ averaged 33.5 points in his playoff career. Nothing else needs to be said
@@erikpuka2627 he won 1 playoff game without Scottie, so what’s your point?
@@LeChina the key word is "without" Scottie. He was not that caliber of a player man. He was not important like that. Like a Paul George with way worse offense that could not shoot. He did not make an all star team in his last 8 seasons.
@@LeChina why do fans keep saying that? When Jordan made it out the first round it was Horace Grant who played a way bigger role than Scottie who was on the bench. To act like MJ couldn’t have left the bulls or they draft someone else is just stupid.
The man averaged 16,5,5 for his career. Didn't average over 20ppg for his finals career with the highest usage rating on the team. Called a top 75 player all time. He's overrated?
Man people will never give scottie the appreciation he deserves only because he played with Michael.
For a guy that loves Jordan so much and was there covering his final year with the bulls, wasn't even mention or had a small interview in the last dance. We should start calling skip the phony reporter same as he calls James the phony goat
That is a good point, also no footage of him being anywhere in the Doc, or maybe they didnt use the footage
Is that English?
@@OMGzDiNoo there was a LOTTTTTTTTT of shots where all the press was in the locker room from that specific 98 season and he was NOWHERE. He got some holes in his story to explain
well superman4ever101 we will see how many times Shannon's name is mentioned during Lebron's interview
@@wallacesharpe196 ngl i would love if bron made Shannon narrated his movie
Pippen was not an All-Star until his 3rd season. By the time he did, MJ appeared in his 2nd ECF. In fact, go back to 1989. Most people aren't aware of this, but the Bulls were a 6th seed that made it all the way to the ECF in 6 games.
Good facts.. most ppl are capping and ignorant
Unc you wrong on this. Jordan is being nice by saying he couldn't have won without Scottie. What Jordan would really say is give me James Worthy, give Clyde or any other forward. And Jordan would have still won the same amount of rings.
Dude, that makes no sense. So give. another player who is one of the greatest ever and he will win championships? That’s like Scottie saying that he would win 6 rings if he had a prime magic johnson.
@@christianrapper naw you sound dumb my guy. You don’t understand what Jordan was playing in the league. Pippen is a clown and anyone taking his side right are clowns to. He’s just being salty and looking crazy right now.
@@Cmsuperbad it’s funny. Your statement is silly and you don’t even understand why.
I think Scottie is overrated in these senses: Defensively -> Rodman(Pistons version) was a better perimeter defender and Scottie had a lot of trouble guarding the Iverson/Houston-like speedy, shifty guards. Offensively -> He was very streaky and--if he was not on--he was a dunker, layup, or post guy(that was most of the time). Wilkins was a better player to me, because he was a proven leader...
Skip: “I covered the Bulls for 1 year, Scottie was overrated”
Yep. and Scottie was injured in 97-98. He played only 44 games during the regular season
@@_Some_Guy_ because he chose to get surgery late instead of being team oriented and getting it in the summer, that's his own fault
@@Drewitall54 Maybe so, but the point is he only played half of that season, and his best years (89-97 where he played 7 all-star games) were behind him
We gotta stop this notion that Shannon doesn’t say “notion” every single time he steps on air.
But see here's the THANG
Skip lets say for the sake of the argument
Skip talks about how not great scottie was when he was old in houston & portland without MJ, but refuses to acknowledge that when MJ was playing baseball Scottie was 1st team all nba & 1st team defense and an mvp candidate both years. Man is a clown
If Pippen didn’t play for the Bulls with Jordan, he would have just been been an all star and we wouldn’t be talking about him today.
Not even a little bit. Scottie who?
Scotties definitely underrated, one of the greatest on ball defenders of all time, on most other teams in that era he’s the #1.
Yeah, but probably ringless. Jordan pushing Scottie is why Scottie is what he is. Jordan would have won eventually. Maybe not 6, but he would have won. Nobody would be talking about Pip if it wasn’t for Jordan.
@@sincityquinn I agree with that, Scottie would’ve been the ringless star on his squad.
scottie was awesome. fearless, & court smart. MJ himself says w/o scottie, the bulls have no rings..
Do people realize when MJ father passed Scottie never even call him to say his grief for who suppose to be your partner bet y'all didnt know yhat and that burned MJ up it was never yhe same again
I agree with Skip on this one. I think Scottie Pippen is overrated.
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As great as a player scottie was, it's really hard to sa he is underrated. He had every chance to prove he was at MJ's level, and he failed at all of them. If Scottie didn't come along to help MJ, someone else would have and Scottie wouldn't have been in the top 50 greatest.
Lotta people don't realize just the 6 years the Bulls won Pip made 5 All NBA Teams & 6 All Defensive Teams.... in ALLLLLLLL of Lebrons EIGHTEEN seasons ALLLLLL of the players on Lebrons teams COMBINED have made 5 All NBA Teams & TWO All Defensive Teams (Varejo in '09 & AD in '20). 😳😳😳🤔🤔🤔
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@@jessekittrell2946 Dwayne Wade made an all-NBA 8 times in his career and AD has done it six times. The greatest players make their teammates better. So why hasn't LJ made more of his talented teammates better enough to make more all NBA teams?
@@jessekittrell2946 you wonder why players improve when they leave Lebron and can’t play well with him. Everything has to revolve around Lebron . He’s great but him playing great means others can’t get into a rythum and play well. Take Lebron off this team and they would end up with the same record . Lebron helps and hurts his team at the same time. You see as he aged his stats stay the same but his teammates player worser and worse. 2 out 3 years now we’re he’s not gonna even make the playoffs. He’s going try hard but it’s hurting the team . MJ would go hard but always keep the team in a groove and everyone was on the same page
@@Jdot2tact Can you please name ONE player who improved "WHEN HE LEFT LEBRON". Just ONE. Heck, even role players like Dellavedova and Mozgov got paid big bucks playing WITH Lebron. When they left, they were trash. DWade fell apart after Lebron left. Bosh retired (medical condition ". KLove became a medical case, too. Even Kyrie lost his marbles. Horace Grant Madd the Allstar team when Jordan left. So did BJ Armstrong. Horace went to the Finals with the Magic and Lakers. Wooldridge was leading the NBA in scoring when he left Jordan, then went to the Finals with Magic in 91. Steve Johnson became a franchise center in Portland, a double double guy. B J Armstrong averaged career high THREE STRAIGHT SEASONS after he left Jordan.
Let’s wait 20 years when Giannis is in the goat conversation and listen to people like Shannon minimize how good Kyrie and Anthony Davis were
It won't be 20 years before he's in that conversation imo he's already up there
Phil Jackson starting to coach the Bulls was more important to getting Jordan past the first and second round than Scottie.
Well duhh, coaching is the most important aspect of a team. You can have the greatest players on the court on 1 team and if the coaching isn't good than they're going to fall short.
Phil Jackson didn’t go to the Bulls until 1989-90. MU passed the first round without Jackson
Well Phil was head coach in the 89-90 season. MJ got to the ECF with Doug Collins as coach!
jordan became the best player with doug Collins as coach
@@toxicstilljd2492 Tell that to Shannon, genius.
So the list of greatest duo in NBA : 🤔
Michael Jordan - Scotie Pippen
Magic Johnson - Kareem A. Jabbar
Kobe Bryant - Shaquille O'Neal
Now is the question :
Is Pippen in the same level with : Kareem and Shaq....????
NO WAY.... 😔
Scottie lost his damn mind but he’s definitely underrated
He's not underrated if he's regarded a top fifty player ever and an all time defender etc. The man gets all his flowers
@Hair Jordan You give Scottie pippen a HOF shooting guard in 94 and they win that chip EASILY
@@Solis.shck574 very nice, coming from a LeBron apologist
The Blasphemy that comes out Skips mouth is just ridiculous 🤦🏿♂️
If skip was there in 1998. Why was there no mention of skip in the last dance?
@@tmac731 because he was an intern at the tribune haha they didnt sell newspapers they gave them away! sun times was the chicago newspaper lol
@@tmac731 why would they mention skip in a bulls documentary???
@@arizonaFIREent Thank you lmao
Boy oh boy, the way the media blindly defend Jordan when someone criticize him is literally impossible to believe. I bet if Jordan slapped some of these guys kids and mothers, they will still defend him.
I think a big reason why guys like Skip Bayless and Stephen a Smith and even Michael Wilbon defend Jordan with their lives is because he’s the athlete that got them their big breaks. A lot of these older media guys got their names around the time of the 90s
@@corpyhogan4433 it's not that deep. If skip agrees with what Scottie says then that diminishes what mj was as a player and that's something which LeShanon will instantly use against him for the goat debate. Hating on bron is the shows biggest cashgrab and skip's trump card is MJ being the goat
@@ssk58607 I agree with that. The GOAT debate is so damn objective and at the end of the day you can nit pick stats, accolades and anything to throw almost any player in the debate. What I don't like is when guys act like a player (Jordan) never had weaknesses or never lost or failed.
Kareem is my favorite player of all time who I think is the GOAT but even I know he failed, lost and probably had weaknesses in his game. It's not hard for me to admit that. That goes for any player, Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Kareem or again just any player.
Lol facts it’s insane
@@Alyrricyst I'll start my winning team with either Russell, Wilt, or Kareem before I take a great perimeter player.
It’s messed up Jordan was the first one to believe in Pippen. He opened his home to him that made him better. Has defended him all the time. And Pippen hates Jordan regardless of all of they.
Exactly
whoever was responsible for the content in TLD, particularly the season MJ was out, is responsible for scotties attitude toward MJ.. it wasnt always bitter.
Yea Shannon. Scottie Pippen averaged 1.9 steals in the finals to MJ 1.8. Wow!! Vice versa MJ averaged 6 assists leading the bulls to Scottie 5.9. This is how narratives get push by guys like Shannon Sharpe. You would think Scottie Pippen let those categories by a landslide the way he was talking @ 1:30.
Bro Scottie was the guy who invented the point forward is one of the greatest defenders in NBA history. He’s top 50 all time, this is ridiculous
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He’s top 50 but he’s still overrated
He still overrated, Pippen came in and averaged 7 points a game his first year, and never had all that many assists really,.. he was a nice defender no doubt, but Michael made him great with his work ethic and culture... Pippen was not great coming into the league, and not very good with the Blazers or Rockets either, even the year without Michael at the Bulls he averaged 20 points a game, he was good but not great. they brought in Kukoc Harper and Kerr after MJ left and those guys helped quite a bit as decent role players. but they were not championship caliber without Michael. Lebron has never won without gargantuan great big men. Michael did it with much less help overall.
I love Scottie grew up on my bulls, Scottie was good, real good but when you have a big brother like MJ it gives you different type of wings
He needs you as his PR guy. Scottie should market himself the way you're saying it... "I invented point forward, Lebron plays my style etc."
Skip don’t play no games when it comes to Mike or Brady he’ll go as low as he needs too 🤣🤣🤣🤣 yup there’s absolutely double meaning in my statement lol
You can say the same about Shannon.
@@iluvcakes19 I can but I said it about skip 🤷🏾♂️
But you can say the same about Shannon
@@figo007tv look I said it about skip man if y’all feel opposite then you say it about Shannon idk 🤣🤣
@@SMJay357 😂. Good banter
The thing is, though, those moments - the migraine and the sit-out, are huge milestone moments in Bulls history, iconic to the downside.