Why Elon Musk Has an "Idiot Index"
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Isn’t this “idiot index” like a basic business concept.
@@AL-lh2ht re-branded by Elon
I am permanently banned from tweeting on X!
When I wrote, "What tweet was in violation of what rule?", I received no response.
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The best I can figure is I had written criticisms of Rachel Maddow and Michael Dell. Some with 4 million views. Maybe their social media connected people colluded with Elon Musk social media people?
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Elon Musk "absolute free expression" is a lie.
FIX IT, ELON MUSK.
Now let's hear about X-formerly-known-as-Twitter. Then, maybe pay tribute to Musk's politics ("My pronouns are Prosecute/Fauci" -EM). Or, are you trolling us for clicks?
There are many types of idiot indexes. The leader that would employ bullying and berating would get a higher idiot rating than a leader who could achieve the same with kinder manners.
Wow, don't ever tell Elon how much Twitter was.🤣
Musk said Twitter wasn't about the money before he even purchased it. It was about having a platform for free speech. That said, X is doing fine.
@jamescarter8311 must be an idiot to believe that. He was forced to buy Twitter, just FYI.
Well, there is no much material in Twitter so the ratio is 40 Bilions totally inefficient.
They lied and a lib "judge...lol" OK'd it
@@jamescarter8311He was forced to buy Twitter. Stop the cap!
So let’s just use more expensive raw materials, and the idiot index will improve 😁
Spoken like a true bureaucrat.
@@RavarsenBlogspot Or a smart sarcastic person. Who knows?
there it is, one of the many flaws in musk cult thinking@@giorgiobarchiesi5003
Elon will accept your resignation. Lol.
@@giorgiobarchiesi5003 No, smart people wouldn't even say that as a joke. You're fired!
I'm reminded that a pound of iron is extremely cheap, but when fashioned into sewing needles, that same pound of iron increases in value hundreds of times.
sounds like Adam Smith
A Mars bound Starship has just a single use. No going back to earth.
@@DataWaveTaGoStarship is supposed to be capable of making several round trips.
figures a billionaire would not appreciate that labor costs money.
@@Pooua "supposed" is the key concept here.
Isn't the Idiot Index just a very small part of the complex Cost Management that is done by every manufacturer in the world?
basic capitalism
Sure it is.
a corporate celebrity coins euphemisms. folks in the trenches are forced to learn new lingo.
yes. but musk sycophants assure us that he created the formula for water
zes but musk is overdoing it better yet musk fans don't really understand what technical development entails
Elon: "If you don't know this weird accounting metric that I invented, I'll treat you like shit."
This was not unknown, it was widely communicated within the company. Managers should know common terms used in the business especially if they are part of the company's unique approach to business.
Yeah! That was a pretty dick move to do to someone in a meeting. Why not just share with everyone the idea of the metric; and then, ask them to think about it. I suppose there are different management / leadership styles. And sometimes, you need to use negative feedback to motivate people. The AMA defines a manager as someone who accomplishes work through others. In order to do so, you need to understand what motivates people and you should also have some understanding of the factors influencing the lives of your immediate / direct reports.
That's pretty much every software engineer
Knowing how much the materials cost is a "weird accounting metric" to you? Elon was right and you're dumb and soft. Cry about it.
if only they put you in charge bro. then we'd see REAL results.
The idiot index is what the name says.
One Snapdragon SoC can cost $100, but the raw parts, ten microgram of silicon, one gram of epoxy resin may be cost five cents. That has a very high idiot index, and there is no way to reduce it...
I am mentally appending an " 's" to make it an "Idiot's Index" and filing it with the same management-babble as OODA loop, i.e, things that sound plausible if you don't know anything about a particular subject and therefore are highly appealing to higher management.
Now imagine the index for software...
What it does is force you to look at the high ratio parts and see if you can reduce their cost it doesn't mean you can reduce it.
I dont think you get the point, and ill use your example. That chip gets cheaper every year as manufacturing processes improve. The silicone didnt get any cheaper in the last 30 years but the performance per gram of silicone has exponentially increased without a corresponding price increase. The idiot index on cpus is closing
Different industries will have different baseline
Some parts have low material cost but need to be produced on expensive machinery, others using ip. So often the cost of materials is irrelevant. What's relevant is whether the part is good value or not.
Baselines are necessary. Without the "Idiot Index" how would you evaluate?
@@sean-colinfort2111 its dumb. For example, the raw material cost of a quality watch is about $1. Would you spend a million $ setting up a fa tory to make one and hire those with knowhow to operate the factory and then do all the testing just to make a one piece or would you just pay the $500 and save yourself a million bucks.
@@sean-colinfort2111 Idiot index is idiotic.
Your first port of call is to check what are the most expensive parts, functions, procedures etc in your operation. Then you see if you can do without them. Next you see if you can BUY them parts cheaper. In a market economy there is a reason for the price of any goods and services and that market price is usually a good indication of the true cost of if. The cost of setting up production and the capital investment needed usually means that usually means that no single consumer of goods can cost effectively produce those goods. Like car manufactures do not manufacture steel, even Apple does not actually manufacture the M-chips, they have them made.
And on a higher business level making anything at lower cost usually means driving the price of what you are selling down as the competition follows. So you end up doing more and getting less per unit which makes it harder to make a buck. High price low volume is much easier that high volume low price. Especially if the demand is limited ... and this begs the question for the demand of payloads that Super Heavy can carry.... the word idiotic springs to mind.
If a pump is made out of titanium and costs thousands of dollars to machine, why not make it out of cheaper steel? A titanium pump is good value, but a steel one would be better value
@@snakevenom4954 Wood would be cheaper, pitty all those stupid engineers at the other aerospace companies did not realise this and it took the genius of Musk to realise that.
This isn't just an Elon thing. This is a hard lesson about the corporate world. When you have a crucial deliverable, bosses don't care about what's going on in your private life. It's not fun, but it is the truth!!!
One of the things wrong in our society
@@ToadyMcgee not really
@@ToadyMcgee when you negotiate a salary this is exactly what you are negotiating. "how much do you have to pay me for me to not care about the fact that you dont give a sheit about me as a person?"
@@Supreme_Lobster We're wired differently. Let's agree to disagree.
She clearly said Elon didn’t know it at that time that he is going through something traumatic personally
His 'idiot index' is itself not very bright. For example, with microchips, the cheapest chips are quite cheap, and the most expensive ones are quite pricey, yet the cost of 'raw materials' is trivial in each case. You need to employ a much more comprehensive paradigm to judge what is a reasonable cost for 'item A'.
There are quite a few things it doesn't apply to. At least microchips have silicon cost. Software products are virtual. Doesn't mean 0 cost. It is cost of the service. In the industry Elon Musk operates, idiot index is a way to triage parts whose production can be potentially streamlined.
Yes, it's well named in that sense. You do of course need to make things efficient, but the way it's presented doesn't value the design and cost of making the parts etc.
@@sriharshacv7760 Yes, but consider the cost of 'raw' materials for microchips. The actual raw cost of sand is about $55/ton. That doesn't mean anything, really. You have to at least talk about a silicon ingot, which has LOTS of special processing involved in specialized facilities, etc. So it is not a 'raw' material. His idiot index does not really work.
You sound like all those who "fight the system" when it comes to implementing the Standards for Cost accounting systems - claiming that it is an absurdity to have to write down which jobs and how long they have used a hammer.
Like in everything when it comes to analysis -therer is a "general" category. No - nails are not individuallyrecordedd inthe warehousee records.
Generally there are not rules that apply to everything. He is not making micro chips, and if he was he would obviously understand that final price / raw materials does not make sense.
Behind the lenses he is looking at these components to answer the age old question "Is it worth manufacturing the item on my own?" vs purchasing it.
elon really pulled "physics doesn't care about your feeling" LOL
it's bold to think that he is an embodiment of physics lmao.
But jokes aside - it was just his excuse to handwave away criticism sent his way.
Landing the Rocket...When Gravity is Free is a Hugh Idiot Index...🤣
GENIUS!!!
. . . . . ugh. . .
Landing the rocket 10,000$ beuilding new rocket 5-10 million$ idiot index of 500/1 or 1000/1 so who is the idiot
Biggest idiot
Yup
Musk is an idiot
The only one who will not be held accountable for a bad idea is Elon himself.
He's the boss of his companies and loses money from his bad ideas, he can't fire himself can he? Try harder Elon hater.
Because he has points he has achieved by creating Paypal , Tesla , Space X, Open AI , Boring company , Neuralink etc. how many people do you know who have at-least close to innovative companies Elon has invested , worked and driven in a leadership role. Your competence matters in real life. If you are Jay Z people will value your opinion in music even if your life is questionable, same with Elon . He excels in working in Tech
@@sa34w I think you need to read up a bit on what he has “created”. For sure not PayPal and OpenAI he has sued. Boring company is basically gone and X is down the drain. Weird that you didn’t mention the extremely successful hyper loop project that he started and fooled many to invest time and money into for his own personal benefits. Tesla and SpaceX are successful but I can assure you that starship will never land on the moon.
Oh, he is held accountable. But his accounts can afford to lose a few billion. Only if he does too much stupid stuff he'll actually feel the consequences.
He did none of this. His dad's money did. He has an iq of an average entitled frat dude. @@sa34w
can't decide if elon is the world's smartest pseudo-intellectual or the world's dumbest intellectual
Neither. More like a cult leader of the world's biggest cult.
The "idiot index" doesn't correlate in any way whatsoever with "value added". Incredibly expensive parts and goods are routinely made with dirt cheap components and elemental substances. The "idiot index" for a modern CPU is stupendous. Elon kind of scares me if he is this literal minded about the idea of "cost".
Start packing if Elon ever says; I'll be Back.
Super cool story. Now I'm thinking, how do you use the idiot index on software?
By paying less to engineers
Depends if you are talking about developing software or purchasing it.
how much does each feature cost, and how much value does it add, and what are mission critical portions.
@@LuisSierra42😂 true
Using gpt models
The way you repeatedly saying f ing f ing .. its hilarious 😆 😂
The cost of machining is the only thing that adds value to raw materials. It would be something like human labor * technique + raw materials * automation squared. Obviously something like AI could be used to up the weight of "technique", but that'll add a bit to labor cost because you need more specialized labor. This "Idiot Index" is basically the exact same process every corporation is using for cost savings, and something close to Capitalism's push to make everything, including labor itself some kind of market externality they can push the cost of off on someone else's shoulders, so they can steal that value as profit as well. Literally nothing new here to see, aside from tricking people to do rocket science for minimum wage.
Seriously! The exclusion of the labor in the cost is some kind of fantasy
I wonder what the idiot index is on a CPU? The value of a CPU can't be judged by its raw materials. And what about steel? What's the cost of coal? How about you create your own steel plant? Expertise needed to combine the raw materials has to be considered. And can you obtain those raw materials at the same price as a company that buys large amounts of this raw materials at a discount? Is buying the equipment to process the raw materials cost effective when you're not in that business.
It looks that Elon learned that primitive capitalist lesson very well. Still his water tanks rockets will never take people to Mars in this shape. He needs more innovation than material so that ratio will exceed a lot more the idiot index .
its called vertical integration@@GizmoMaltese
@@Sal3600 I know it's called vertical integration. I'm just pointing that just looking at raw materials is rather pointless in all but the most basic parts.
I think some context is missing here. I work in manufacturing as a machinist. It's been my experience that it is true, that engineers will occasionally over-engineer a part. Eg; opt to machine a part, that would be cheaper to fabricate.
But fabrication comes with its own costs as well. Fabricated parts are usually much cheaper, but they also can require large costs in tooling to get to that point...and if you aren't running large volumes of parts, the cost can be counter-productive.
You don't want to spend millions in fabrication tooling, when you're focused on low volume prototype parts. In that case, the high cost of machining, might still be the better way to go.
Also, certain parts are high precision for a reason, and there is really no getting around it.
When the video said that "Elon cares about humanity, but in a macro sense", I found that kind of troubling. It initially implies that he's potentially willing to cut corners and make sacrifices...maybe where human lives are concerned?
90,000$ for a bag of bushings..its that sort of thing he was talking about.
He's on record stating matter of factly that the Mars project WILL cause some deaths, that it is inevitable, and that anyone who can't swallow that fact need not apply.
Sounds harsh but he's probably right and it is better to rip that bandaid off sooner rather than later. Frankly I find the lack of sugarcoating refreshing.
I've had the chance to know managers from Tesla. Vision and capabilities aside, Elon is frequently cruel and capricious in how he treats people. He's a nightmare boss. People leave scarred.
In this case though, the guy was the financial analyst for the Raptor, how would he not know raw steel price is about $700 a ton??? Or all the raw cost prices of materials for that matter?
Yet tesla and SpaceX employees have rated the companies as the best places to work. And elon has been ranked in the top 5 best CEOs by his employees.
@@island97 Tesla?? The one where black employees have said that they were racially abused and said that managers call them "working on the plantation"? THAT tesla?
@@island97 Seems nonsensical to rank a CEO highly when they're driven to attain a nonsensical goal. Rushing to get to Mars at this time, or in the foreseeable future, is unjustifiable rubbish
@@AlainDessureault are you dumb? You are aware SpaceX launch astronauts and supplies to the ISS ?? They launch satellites for both private and public sector.
By your logic. 98% of CEO run nonsensical compaines therefore their performance and management means nothing ?
Dude should have just scribbled his name and the date, and handed it over, and said "okay, here. Resigned"
The level of 'fuck this shit' is off the charts here.
This "idiot index" is like evaluate the price of a rock by the price of constituent elements...
the idiot index would be very low for people like Archimedes: he used a stick and drew figures in sand
@@bryck7853 Wrong, because the stick was moved by Archimedes, which was the most expensive man of its time 😁
Which works fairly ok for high quality gold ores.
But assigns the same price to coal and diamonds.
@@donaldhobson8873 An ORE is the name given to a rock or group of rocks that contain something that makes economic sense... what are you talking about? You better find some Rhodium ore... 😀
@@kodtechhe said the index cost would be low for archamedes, not the people paying archamedes.
What matters is cutting down the total cost, which, in the case of self-produced parts, is the sum of the cost of the raw material and the cost of turning that material into a part, including machining and labor.
You could reduce the total cost not just by reducing the latter, but also the former, which would actually increase Musk's idiot index, not decrease it.
In military SpecForces the Motto is NEVER QUIT-But- I added: “I CHEAT FAIR” ! ? and got a Hug from Commanding Officer ! ?
as an industrial engineer I can say that only an idiot could think about an index like that
I feel the same ! I realized musk was a con man years ago with the Hyperloop, boring company etc.... Luckily, he has a church of followers that are better idiots !
This is why engineers are managed by accountants.
Anyone who says "I know more about manufacturing than anyone alive" is displaying the dunning kruger effect... they are an idiot is what I'm trying to say.
Why is it wrong to do things efficiently and spend less money?
@@ophello
nothing is wrong with efficiency, but there are some rules in order to set an efficiency index properly.
One of those rules is "relevance".
In any industrial processes there are many costs beyond "raw material".
Sometimes the raw material costs could be irrelevant.
This dumb index would consider "idiotic" all the following:
farmaceutical (main cost: R&D)
semiconductors (main cost: equipment)
aerospace (main costs: all the above plus advanced quality control in order to prevent the destruction of the whole vehicle)
Not wrong. These are high pressure situations. It is his managerial tactic and obviously it works very well for him. It is not easy to do great things. If you are looking for easy, there are plenty more mundane jobs out there
yeah this just comes across as a weird, sad attempt at an emotional hit piece on Elon
@@Alistair it is harsh, but some people thrive in this environment. Its defo not for everyone. There was a recent story of a Tesla AI engineer leaving because he was burnt out, then returned less then 2yrs later because he was bored at his other job .lol
if you are looking to work for some overhyped, a-hole's dream while not earning millions. There's Space X jobs out there.
@@Alistair Truth hurts, huh?
Specially when the guy is getting paid 2-3 times more than the average person in the same job title.
All i hear is someone who lied on his resume and used excuses to not fullfill his basic duties. Nearly every average paid person would be able to answer the questions ontopp of their heads. It's their sole responsibility to know. Pathetic that people try to excuse it. I'd get it if he was getting paid below average.
I know several people at our company who's job is anything but in the economical department, but they well know whats bad money for the company in terms of the products sold/produced.
I like the name : “Idiot Index”. But I would take a different index. “Total cost” vs “Payload”.
Just googled, whether Balloons are already used instead of rocket and found :
Launching Rockets from Balloons is About to be a Thing, But We Need a Better Name than “Rockoons”
I am not sure, whether I like the name *Rockoons* . But I like the idea and we should forget about classic Rockets.
There are a couple of other ideas, but Rockoons can be the cheapest.
I would say Elon himself has a damn high idiot index.
My idiot index is how much a person admires Elon Musk :D
how does it work or you just heard those words and used them in a sentence?
Admired him enough to leave a comment about him on a video about him....lol
The index is working, look theres two now!
@@entrippyZ irony lol.
only reason to not have respect for him is if your ideology differs frim his....beyond that...his track record is quite unique with ppl currently alive.....and your differing ideology _should not_ matter because its irrelevant for the subject....it tells quite a lot about you as a person.
In Kantian philosophy, particularly in the realm of ethics, the idea of dehumanizing someone and treating them merely as a means to an end is often associated with the concept of instrumentalization or instrumental reasoning. This is closely related to Immanuel Kant's principle of treating humanity, whether in oneself or in others, always as an end in itself, and never merely as a means to some other end.
When individuals are reduced to mere instruments or tools for the achievement of one's goals, their intrinsic worth as rational beings capable of moral agency is disregarded. This dehumanizing treatment undermines their dignity and autonomy, which are central to Kantian ethics. Instead of recognizing and respecting the inherent value and rationality of individuals, they are objectified and exploited solely for the benefit of others.
And we're talking about rocket scientists here. I'm sure they are capable of taking care of themselves. They are surely sentient. Kant was a philosopher, we must remember it's speculative. Better to talk to people who work at spacex and see if they are happy, or content, if the interest is their welfare. You'd have data and wouldn't have to speculate. From my anecdotal perspective, spacex employees seem incredibly satisfied in their bleeding edge work and success. Also paid very well. Imagine working somewhere where you do things that have never been done. Wouldn't that be amazing?
@@gramma677 you talk about data and then you say anecdotal perspective. Those two aint compatible.
If he only cares about the raw product cost, he's calling "idiot" the value of human labor.
It must be horrible to work for someone that toxic.
What has been the raw material Value of Twitter?
My brother had died when I was on the job, I got ZERO sympathy or understanding in my hard times by coworkers or management
I feel you brother. You're not human being with emotions; personal life; persona, after all. You're just a tool. Or worse - a cog in the machine. And how they feel is not important, right?
And definitely how people feel and their psychological state is not going to affect their motivation and performance, doesn't it?
I give You my sympathy and understanding.
I thougt him having an idiot index meant, that they had a list with all the stupid ideas elon has
Me too
like imigrating to america , creating paypal , tesla , space x among many others and become the wealthiest person to ever lived in the process ? who are you lololol ?
@@CunningStuntsGoFast ideas like the cyber truck, the hyper loop, the tesla tunnels etc. That are really stupid
Disclosure: I did Multi-Criteria-Ranking Optimizations.
The "Idiot Index" is a good marker, but it's not the whole picture. It ranks parts by their cost-to-material ratios, but just because a part ranks high doesn't mean it's worth optimizing.
Consider a part that costs USD 100K with USD 1K in materials. This gives a ratio of 100. Now consider a part that costs USD 20 with USD 0.1 materials, which gives a ratio of 200. The second part's ratio is higher, but you save much less by optimizing it.
Imagine a spaceship full of these low-cost parts. They'd top the list, but optimizing them wouldn't save much. That's why we need to consider not just the ratio but also the total cost. Ranking by total cost as well as ratio makes sure high-priced and high-ratio parts are our focus.
I'm not saying SpaceX doesn't do this. I'm just saying the video simplifies things a bit.
The us government needs to use the idiot index with pharmaceutical, medical treatments, military purchases and all contracts with companies, even with Space X and Tesla. Think of how much $$$ taxpayers would save.
Nevertheless, government will waste the saved money on irrelevant international problems.
@@ibtehaj-khan How are international problems irrelevant? 9/11 was very much international problem and what about immigrants flocking America, or oil imports and exports ... contrary to what some people think Texas is not the whole world and the global problems have consequences in Iowa too.
Don't get confused between the "idiot index" and "being an idiot". One is an analytical took - the other is a painful reality and fact when it comes to DC.
@@Axel_Andersenmaybe if you leave other countries alone, they won't try to destroy you anyway they can. If you start wars in other countries, they'll bring back the wars to you.
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp Gov procurement looks at bigger number and thinks it's the best. That's why Gerber's military multitool is 8x the cost of the same civilian version. Politicians are idiots and the simplicity flows into all aspects they govern. We are idiots for electing them. It's idiots all the way down.
What's the idiot index on buying Twitter for 40 Billion?
We'd have to know the price of all the fundamental components of twitter's infrastructure and you could create the ratio. But I have a feeling you think the idiot index is a ranking not a ratio. Good job
Musk was forced to pay that much by the courts. He wanted to back out when he found out that he'd been misled about the real state of Twitter.
@@gramma677 still, ratio gives ranking. Good job not seeing that.
What is the cost for abdicating responsibility to fundamental human rights - including Free Speech?
Where you been over the last 6 years, bro??
While you are entitled to your thought and comment(s) - it stinks.
You sh!t the bed, bro.
You cannot put a price on free speech. It's worth more than life.
I'd be depressed too if I knew I wasn't going to build a cabin on Mars.
I was impressed by Musk's comment about "people having a strong feedback loop". If you have never taken control theory in college, you may not grasp the power of feedback loops to control the world. Almost all control equipment in the whole world uses some form of closed loop feedback. In that class, and a few years later in my first job, I realized that feedback was the key to people being able to improve things. No one can get things right the first time, except by accident, and no one executes perfectly every day. The key to making improvements is repeated refinement of process to achieve a particular goal based on new information becoming available. Interesting, I could not convince my managers of this fact. Managers typically run in an open-loop. That is, they issue orders and expect other people to make them happen.
Having said all this, it can be exhausting to be part of that feedback loop. The agile s/w methodology basically is a codification of a closed feedback loop. A fellow programmer some years ago said that she preferred the waterfall methodology because it was a lot more peaceful. Closed loop can make you feel like you are on a mission from God, or "Gad", as John Belushi would have said.
It has previously been examined in MBAs as Porter's value chain. If there were an 'idiot index' it would be surely based on the efficiency of competing methods adding the same 'value'. The real Idiot index here is Musk, after saying 'I know more about anyone else on earth about manufacturing' not knowing that this 'added value' has been a thing for a long time.
Bottom line is, it's easy to say anything rude to others when you got billions dollar
Bottom line is that he invests his billions into his passion. Which in his case is trying to save humanity. When people are passionate emotions can run high, because you care. I hope that one day you find whatever it is that drives you on that level. That you are willing to sacrifice great things for it. And at times you will yell
I might have retired after few millions not even billions 🤣 no passion just fun..
it's easy to say anything rude to others WHEN YOU LIVE OFF GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES
@@MrRaulstrnad who exactly?
@MrRaulstrnad. The entire industry is based on government subsidies so your point is moot. If others could do it better they would. But they arent even close. Try again
"Idiot index" is used to judge one product floating over value or not, it's super meaningful not only considering on manufacture but also throughout human being life as well.
I can illustrate that. In terms of the product of my wages vs. what they were worth to me, particularly when money gets weighed against the worth of my time to live a normal life and health in all its aspects.
I was asked to work split shifts, 6 am to 2 pm and 6 pm to 10 pm. Problem is I'm biologically a night owl. On my normal 12-hour days I wake up at 4:20 am and by the time I get home at 6:30 pm, I eat and then just flop to sleep. That's the only way I can make up for my exhaustion at not working according to my personal circadian rhythm. But when I did split shifts, I got home at 10:30 pm and because of my night owl nature, couldn't fall asleep till about 2 a.m. So I wound up working on a bit over 2 hours sleep a day for multiple days. And then stepping into 12-hour shifts on top of that. Boy was I out of it. For days afterward too, my sleep schedule was crazy and I did not feel clear at all. For me, the product of my labor, that is, cash and higher regard at the company, was not worth the greatly increased difficulty at work and being completely drained afterward even on my days off. I thought splitting my shifts and working extra was worth it. At the cost of my health and clarity and ability to have any pleasure if only to curry favor and/or avoid office politics pain. It wasn't. The money would have had to be far better to not let me fall into an idiot metric with regard to the value of my labor and life. SO MUCH extra effort and negative health effects for relatively little money.
@@user-ps1ft1hy4j Thanks for illustrating many real details in your labor life to us.
@@user-ps1ft1hy4j is that boring person who is constantly waiting for an opportunity to turn the conversation to "ME ME ME".
Even when that means comparing their pathetic life to an historic spacecraft launch.
@@MediaFilter the user you address in your pathetic rant only added a "lived experience" record in the "Work vs Life" discussion that goes on above. It will be interesting to see the outcome of 4d workweek experiments that have started recently in several places. Allegedly longer days, so 10h I suppose. Others (mostly women) want 6.5h days.
It seems like (especially younger) males are easier to to manipulate to sacrifice themselves to a "greater" cause.
@@jonashellsborn7648 Thank you. I was only trying to helpfully validate the poster's thesis before being blindsided by a troll ambush. Even if I'm not interesting, and I have no desire to win over the whole world, I thought it was useful to broaden and validate the discussion regardless. Seems positive to me.
There was s some truth to this. When I was in engineering school, I had a teacher that had worked with a NASA contractor. He said he would routinely see someone take a regular hareware screw off the shelf that cost about 5 cents at the time, put in in a bag and write "Space Screw, $1.25.". There has traditionally been a lot of graft in the industry.
But "how much is your customer willing to pay for an item" is also how we determine what the price point of an item will be. The highter the price point over cost of material, labor, maintenance and plant build, the more profit is made, and the more investors will invest in the product.
So, now the manufacturer has investors, whom by law have to see a profit on their investment. But they have a buyer who wants to lower the price point signifagantly. Easy, just lower your profit margin, right?
The answer to this question will be left to those who work in actual corporate America... Or any other country.
When you go to the super market you will realise that most food items are priced at at least 10$ per kg no matter the price of raw materials. prices have more to do with what they can make the customer accept (by programming them via social engineering) than by cost reality.
That's the idiot index for all us.
I have seen this many times... when people care about humanity and great causes they often don't care about their neighbour difficulties and the opposite is also very true... people shouting against great human causes saying it's just bullshit, but cannot pass in front of a bag people without giving them money.
Well, I'll rather do both.
However, saying you care about humanity but not about your neighbor seems very hideous to me.
It's like a movie villain.
So, honestly, I basically reject that model.
Elon caring about humanity??? If we could get to Mars and terraform it we could certainly solve all the same problems here on earth, faster and cheaper. If he really cared for humanity he would concentrate on solving problems like pollution, poverty, wars etc here. But he only cares about his own passions.
@@Axel_Andersen All those problems are solved. Governments just don't enact the necessary policies. He's a private citizen, so he wants to go to mars. That's great. But solving long solved problems is a ridiculous pursuit.
@@gramma677 I was commenting the comment that Musks cares about humanity. And that is laughable. If he wants t go to Mars, fine, that is his funeral. But if he really cared about humanity he tried to solve problems on earth and not try to start over in an environment which is full of nothing but unsolved technical and economical problems.
@@Axel_Andersen I don't think it's about humanity, maybe it is in his mind. It's fine to go to another planet. All the problems on earth are solved. It's just leaders are unable to enact the necessary policies. Poverty is solved, hunger solved. Now we still have these problems because leaders don't do the things that are already demonstrated to fix them as they have in many many many countries. I agree with you though, really. Nothing could happen to earth that would make it as unfriendly to life as mars is. It should just be fine to want to go to mars, for its own sake. But you are right on many points. I wonder if Elon really believes the altruistic message, or if he just wants to go to mars. Which is fine.
It's literally impossible to get anything done - and I mean anything - without stepping on someone's toes. It's just life.
When everything is urgent, nothing is.
This ratio is like BMI. It can be fudged if there's not enough context.
What if I said the raw material and the product was the same price thereby bringing it closer to a 1:1 ratio? Like making the raw material more expensive but the production is still the same price.
Who is the idiot now?
People giving businesses far too much credit. Most people accept parts for what they are. Aka Idiots
Elon is the benchmark for the idiot index.
Everyone in the room is now dumber after reading your remark
@@dthornto31 Even idiots have fan-boys and cult followers.
Ever wonder how high your idiot index is?
You've outed yourself as a complete fool.
I’m going to need an itemized report on my desk before noon tomorrow or its absence as resignation.
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Idiot index is a ratio not an attribution. But yeah, you're very insightful I'd attribute a 1.
A place I worked, a steel agitator for a liquid waste tank.... 2' across, three simple fan blades, no moving parts...probably the same difficulty to create as a 20lb weight plate.
Several thousand dollars.
Yeah, it's good steel, but omg the price for a single piece of steel that was maybe 20lb.
looks like Elon wants to run a marathon distance with 100m dash pace. Non-sustainable, it's sad, as he will have more delays as many people will leave and they will spent more time on hiring and onboarding, than actual work
really gives me Homer working for Mr. Scorpio vibes
Real bro, I used to admire Elon a few years back but I've slowly seen him turn into a villain and dangerously, one of the most powerful individuals on the planet
@@LuisSierra42 this means that your idiot index decreased. I congratulate you, brother.
So whats the ratio on all the government subsidies that get issued to companies that deliver nothing
My favorite types of videos on this channel
Please make one about Boltzmann
Yes for sure!
Who is that?
@@summerbreeze5115 Boltzmann was a physicist who has major contributions in statistical mechanics and has also given the statistical description of 2nd law of thermodynamics.. i couldnt get to much about him...
@@abrarjahin8848
He committed suicide
Must have been a weak man :P
I had used in equation when i was in high school in the chapter "gaseous State" something that sort
@@summerbreeze5115 to be honest we can determine him weak as we dont clearly know what happened to his mental condition .. i heard many people didnt believe him started going against him.. And that is what i clearly want to know what made him suicide even though it was a bad idea...
Humanity is not going to Mars if there is no humanity left in us.
Insightful, and gets to the root of the problem: human nature.
The entire point of starting a selective separate society free from the anarchy our home has become. If we all become dust tomorrow at least the best aspects will carry on.
ripped right out of r/im14andthisisdepp
Shut up, solve problems, or leave
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Actually, getting the FAA to do anything in two years sounds pretty fast, considering it's the FAA.
at least girl scout cookies are real and they work.
Musk is pretty high up on the index,emotionally
Mentally, too.
And yet the alleged emotionally superior beings such as yourself are insignificant in the grand scheme of things. It's almost as if the universe doesn't care about that.
Yup
Yuuup
@@geraldg350and what do you do what's so ground breaking lol
Whenever I encountered processes or procedures that were broken, I didn't listen to those who said, "Oh, that's always been broken," "we've been trying to fix that for years," or "there's no way you can fix that - not enough time!"
I simply fixed it.
Sometimes it took me weeks. On occasion, it would take me months.
"Do, or do not. There is no try." - Yoda
I would not like to be dead before getting to MARS.
WOW!
The banks got him EARLY.
"If you stick with me you will win." Kinda funny given the recent layoffs, but technically correct.
There is a vast over-simplification using "idiot-index" in this video. This isn't something new from Elon Musk. It has been around for decades: think of Lean and The Toyota Way and the topic is far more nuanced than just slashing costs. I hope they didn't cut out so many of the processes to make the Raptor engine cheaper so as to make it unsafe. As an engineer, I can tell you that this is a fine line to thread and any poor decision making to make cost an issue over safety would ultimately have real-world life ending consequences. Think of Challenger, Columbia and more recently Boeing. And, pssst, physics also doesn’t care about the bottom line.
Sure but Elon is still a cuck
" What caused the catastrophic failure of the Space Shuttle Challenger on that cold Florida morning of January 28, 1986? From a technical perspective, experts cite lower-than-expected launch temperatures at Florida's Cape Canaveral, which caused a tiny rubber part called an O-ring to malfunction. "
lemme guess, no overtime was paid
But the shares given to them multiplied 100+
Let me guess, you scored high on the index.
Management usually never get overtime, they sign a wage contract. Performance is rewarded with bonuses
If "overtime" is what drives you = forget about a career. The moment you get promoted - your overtime is gone.
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp because you get a payraise and promised a bone-us duh. I’ll take Things only bosses airquote for 400.
@@Thenakedfinisher oh are projects wholly done by management personnel? Who are they managing genius?
Things cost money for three reasons: labor, rent, and lack of competition. Elon, someone has to make the damn thing, and you have to pay them to do it.
So simple, yet useful.
AS USUAL musk TAKES SOMEONE'S IDEA AND MAKES IT HIS OWN... I'M SURE HENRY FORD USED THE SAME RATIO BUILDING THE MODEL T...
The model tS never exploded violently in space
All CAPS huh like a grown up?
I wanted to say how silly you sound, but realized it would be a waste of time.
It's just an operating principle. I don't think it's original and he doesn't either. But it's effective. Henry Ford certainly didn't use the same ratio, as we have detailed history about that time, but he had similar principles, even if it wasn't a defined ratio. What do you want from people? Going to space isn't enough, like what do you want?
But does he know his own Infantile Index? People who have worked with, sorry FOR him, say it's very high.
Can't really blame him though... The environment that he was born into, with his genetical makeup ... he's an aspie and if that's how he copes with his brain operating at a million miles an hour, I'm ok with it. I just don't want to ever work wit... uhm, for him. I had a boss who was like that, aspie too. It's horrible. But then again, what's the alternative? Mindfulness? Drugs? Nobody is perfect and we're all just trying the best we can. Out of the 8 billion on this planet, he's definitely not the worst.
And who is landing one success after the other? Elon of "the other people" those who always have a better skill than their bosses - wherever they go.
Wish more infants were working on rockets then. Also the idiot index is a measure of efficiency. It's like people hear the word idiot and then replace it with infantile, but don't even create a ratio. Like it's not even funny, cause it's based on massive ignorance of the premise. Like let's say the infantile index is public outbursts vs the value of the company as a ratio or something. I mean just get the premise. SMH
@@gramma677 Ok, if you don't like that term, what do you think his Algorithm Parrot Index is?
@@Wild8Cat I'm fine with the term, I just have a problem with people not understanding the term. It should be called the idiot ratio perhaps and that would save a lot of head scratching. Bkaa. idiot ratio. Polly want's an idiot ratio. bkaa
I really want to work for SpaceX, or Tesla, to learn Elon's mindset at work.
It's actually really simple: He thinks he knows better than you. You agree with everything he says and you're golden. Also means you have to execute his incredibly stupid ideas even when you know they are stupid. Disagree and you're fired. Oh, and don't expect any loyalty in return.
If reusable rockets and electric cars are what you call stupid ideas, I think I would rather take my chance with Elon's stupid ideas. You'd be amazed at how quick his job roles are filled. As for loyalty, his companies seem to have some of the highest wages. Perhaps you know better? have you worked for any of his companies? If so, what is your personal experience?@@K1RTB
I can yell at you and humiliate you if that's what you need.
Lol... "Elon's mindset". This might be the funniest CZcams comment ever. I mean, you can't make this shit up
@@tyruslawhorn people are far in musk admiration lmao.
Each Objective has tabulated indice by derived requirements, some prototypes by defined shalls listed in a tabulated cross reference indice of performance, capability, input, output, cost, weight, durability. Sort them by cost or performance, or weight.
This become a tabulated cross reference list of prototype idiot parts and requirements.
This wasn't actually about the "idiot index". Would have been better if it had been.
I read the Isaacson biography of Elon Musk - and concluded that (even if I was highly qualified) I would never work for him (Musk) at SpaceX, Tesla, X, or any other company he runs; he's a relentless slave driver. On the other hand, to be a shareholder in a Musk-run company is a likely path toward substantial investment returns and financial bliss.
To summarize:
- being a Musk employee == bad
- being a Musk company shareholder == good
Tesla is currently doing not so good in terms of share price
@@alexi9108 Sooner or later reality catches up with hype and Tesla is no exception. Electric cars are NOT the be-all-end-all solution to mankind's transportation needs - and investors finally figured that out (i.e. Tesla stock was WAY overvalued). Nonetheless, there was a time when Tesla WAS one of the most valuable companies in the world - let alone, THE most valuable (based on market cap) automobile company in the world.
@@TyroneSayWTF Tesla bubble was created mostly out of fraudulent claims and promises for FSD and all the imaginary benefits of owning a Tesla, even Musk admitted it was overvalued so it's funny how long it took lol
The idiot index does not mean nothing. There are raw materials that do not cost that much, but working, shaping, welding they are a nightmare.
For the same reason if you go to a three star Michelin restaurant you are not paying just the raw materials.
Would Elon run over a priest, child, and charity worker with a cybertruck, 73 times, if it meant getting to Mars?
This is a pretty stupid index.
Lets take some products with Really large ratios.
Product. A silicon chip. Raw material. A pinch of sand.
Product, a single strand of DNA containing the genome for a custom designed organism. Input, raw amino acids.
In the DNA example, designing the custom life form is going to take a lot of smart biologists, who want paid. Designing chips takes a lot of smart chip designers. The equipment to turn silicon into the chip is also expensive.
Labor and equipment costs are real and important and having them be larger than material costs isn't a sign that anything is wrong.
Great material! Impressive management methods from inside and outside a man`s perspective; cause and effect of collaboration in time due to planned outcome 100% and human disadvantages; math and language modelling methodology... Wow! Thank you!
Lmao🫵🤣🤣🤣 Elon is a Con man. And has been sued many times in court where he continues to lose because of his lies & false promises.🤷
It seems that the Optimus Robot’s job is to lower the Idiot index.
There is one aspect of the idiot index that may go unnoticed. What if you design a rocket with 33 engines and you lower the idiot index by half but ignore the fact that your design
Multiplies the idiot index 33x.
Not everyone can be so determined and motivated 24/7. They should have each person have a tag team partner who knows their work in and out, taking turns. The 2 should also have a bro/rival chemistry making the person taking over the shift, begin with a competitive energy
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It explains a lot!
@@professorg8383 Don't it though.... and he pressures others to do drugs with him. Dude is off the rails.
@@DCGreenZone Yeah but he has a cult following!!
@@professorg8383 Too bad he can't be our president. 🤡
@@DCGreenZone It's weird because he has more than a few personality traits with Trump!!
Both guys have "cult" followings who believe their hero is infallible!! Both guys are clearly narcissistic . Strangely enough, I think that insane level of self confidence rings true to vulnerable people who admittedly call themselves fans, not realising it is short for fanatic, which means "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion". According to a study by psychologists from Cambridge University, the more that people publicly express admiration for a public figure, the more likely it is that the fans' faith in the public figure will remain unaffected following "moral violations" or "illogical actions" by the adored person. Sometimes the illogical worship of the individual mirrors that of religious cults, the key being blind faith that denies logic.
How can you all fall for it.?
Fall for what?
I don't, I get my news from Thunderfoot
@@dthornto31 It's a play on free fall? Zero G? Or is idiot? Not sure.
My goodness at 8:30 we have yet more evidence the earth is not flat.
Im reminded of you need to break eggs to make an omelette.
Too many people think that the Raptor engine is a done deal when the reality is that the jury is still out as to whether the Raptor engine design is up to the task.
The Raptor 2 is an improvement on Raptor 1 with increases in performance and thrust and a reduction in the the amount of parts which reduces the amount of time to manufacture and test. But that is for nought if the engines can't be reliably re-lit and are insufficient in lifting the required payload. Maybe a betting man might be looking for Raptor 5 before all the problems are resolved.
So true. Also if Elon asks about the price of steel for the engine he must be thinking that he can push the price of the engine towards the price of steel, right? So why burn fuel each way trying to bring back that engine (or 36 of them!) to be refurbished, why not just make disposable engines like the rest of the industry...
@@Axel_Andersenbecause rocket engines cost a lot of money. It is stupid to throw away millions dollars parts after 10 minutes of use. Its like throwing away your car when the tank is empty, instead of keeping a little bit of fuel to go to the gas station.
@@niconico3907 You missed the point.
IF Elon thinks that the price of the raw material (a few thousands) is significant compared to the complete engine price (millions according to you) then he must be thinking that he can push the price of the engine down close to the raw material prices. So IF he can do that or believes he can do that, THEN it would make sense for him to use disposable rockets because re-usable rockets are heavier and more expensive than re-usable and will still require refurbishment between flights (unless you buy his lies about one hour turn around).
@@Axel_Andersen Regardless of what you say, SpaceX currently offers the cheapest rate for getting material to orbit. So the engines are cheap, and they can be reset and reused in a more cost effective way than just making disposable rockets. Proof is in the numbers
@@stevenwoerpel1884 So you want to change the subject and not talk about idiotic idiot index and making pumps from steel? Talking about whataboutism....
Ok.
Yes, I agree that SpaceX Falcon 9 seems to offer good value for money.
I'm still a bit skeptical because it is not a public company so we do not know the real number ie are the books on red or black.
However, trying to keep in the subject ie Elon's competence, how much of this apparent success is due to or despite of Mush?
It's easy to be a "leader" when you are the main shareholder and the guy who gets all the reward and the limelight.
Do you mean theft of previous work payments from Denver mint
A metric. An optic. A reveal. An ask...
His index range is from Normal to Elon. :D
What is the idiot index of starship vs a water deluge system?
Lol good one
Isn’t this like a basic business concept.
You’d think but most businesses that manufacture things source their parts from third party dealers
Bingo - right on the nail.
You’re talking about full vertical integration. That is done by almost no businesses on earth
@@austinzizzi1142 Except car companies, computer companies, phone companies, fast food companies. But most mom and pop stores don't vertically integrate and in that you'r totally correct.
@@gramma677 no most car companies are not fully intergraded at all. They are buy large amounts of parts from third party manufacturers. Some of their car bodies are even entirely made by third party manufacturers. This is common practice in the industry and has been moving more towards outsourcing since the 70s. It is the same way across most industries because manufacturing at scale is very difficult. If you look at the watch industry Rolex was so highly valued because it was the only company that was able to fully integrate until very recently. Before the last couple years most other watch makers were buying their entire movements from third party dealers. Tesla is becoming fully integrated to the point that it’s starting to refine its own lithium for batteries
Would it have made any diffrence to Elon had Elon known about the los of the guys baby?
What is the cost of that block or marble? What is the cost of the finished statue? Michaelangelo was an idiot.
SpaceX is where you go if you want to work on things that will fundamentally alter and enable humanity’s future. It is not a place for those looking for a comfortable 9-5 job.
Space X is where you go if you want to blow things up that shouldn't blow up and call it a success. That POS will never get to the moon much less mars.
The human body and mind has limits. While physics doesn’t care about feelings. Psychology doesn’t care about your expectations.
People have different levels of stress tolerance. They need a certain amount to meet peak performance but too much will cause them to crumble. If you are trying to get to Mars you want to have people who can handle and excel in high pressure. They arent exactly stacking plates at Walmart. Its billions of dollars. Grow up
starship 4 years behind schedule and has burned tax dollars for little in return. SpaceX should be bankrupt soon and a minor side note in history.
do this and kids of those engineers will suffer , elon musk do nothing he just tweets on twitter after every 2 hours .if you don't beleive me go check yourself
While I admire Elon, I probably would never consider working for him if I ever got a chance.
I don't think he'd worry about that. He only wants seriously motivated prospects, of which there are many.
@@shanep.9442 Boot licking is skill number 1 that's needed when working for elon.
Yes he's not your regular boss
I don't regret passing on the opportunity to work in Sparks Nevada, because my talents would not have been applied there. The idiot index was coined by a dispassionate overzealous idiot.
@DNomer said it very well:
His 'idiot index' is itself not very bright. For example, with microchips, the cheapest chips are quite cheap, and the most expensive ones are quite pricey, yet the cost of 'raw materials' is trivial in each case. You need to employ a much more comprehensive paradigm to judge what is a reasonable cost for 'item A'.
Great video!
That idiot index is why his product quality is so bad. They got some good ideas, you have to give them that but their execution is just atrocious.
Who else has landed a reusable rocket?
trolls detected
@@SirCharles12357 nope. Not trolling. Have you ever looked at the quality of his cars? They are just subpar quality for a upper to premium class price
@@Cornell851 I did,
Planet: Your mom.
haha cope, Tesla and Space X are still at the top in EVs and space contracts in the entire world
Im an excellent engineer. We all got inquiries from Tesla about 4 years ago. He wouldnt pay the rates that are normal in competing industries. We engineers started ignoring the inquiries from Tesla and the Indian recruiters. The Model 3 was delayed for production. You get what you pay for. Another 20 bucks an hour, that he refused to pay would have bought him millions in reduced time to market. Who is the idiot now? BTW, why does every corporate guru think india is the way to go for engineers? They suck.
I understand were you'rer comming from, but its not like they failed.
the idiot index can only take you so far in reducing the cost as building certain parts needs to be done by competent people who know what they are doing. you can only cost cut so much when it comes to building something as complex as a part for a rocket ship
But then you get 3d printed rocket parts. standardization. Economies of scale. Many many ways to reduce costs, because if a spaceship can be launched for very little, then spaceships will be used for a lot more. Just like cars and planes and boats.