Meet John Doe the metal shaper I rescued from the field where it sat for nearly 40 years. He is being brought back to life and this is the beginning of being born again.
What a project, looks to me that restoring an old machine will be better than buying an imported one in terms of fit, finish and longevity. Thanks for sharing and looking forward to the next video.☺ Best wishes from . down under.
That's a great start to the restoration no broken parts to worry about. When you get around to painting that beauty I think a shade of blue similar to Aboms, welder would look smart!
It surprised me to see how easily the fasteners broke loose. Nice work. I am here after watching you, Bailey and Brian discussing Brian's machine work on this shaper.
Yikes to seeing the main pedestal body on its own in it's solid lump of iron goodness! i can't think of a single situation today that a manufacturer would cast something that size with that much mass in good grade iron.... incredible. Thanks for taking on the olde machine as reconditioning project, adding it to the few of these incredible tools of our engineering history so they get to stay on and not allowed to end up recycled as rebar....
Old machines were really built to last. It's incredible how it can withstand so many years in the open. Looking forward to the progress of the restoration since I'm in the same situation with my shaper.
I am amazed at how easy that came apart and how good it looks for having set outside. Here it seems the rain dissolves metal. Stuff sits outside for a year its heat and beat time to get it apart. Your saving is going well!!!
Nice job documenting the disassembly. That was an awesome find. Wish we had fields of dreams with complete vintage machines like yours in FL. Thanks for sharing.
That is an awesome find! I enjoyed watching your video and look forward to come along for the ride as you progress towards the finish. I was a machinist my self for a while almost 20 years. I learned my craft in the US Navy and have a deep appreciation for the old machines and would love to have a shop with nothing but restored American cast iron!
Just sold a little 12" Whipp shaper last year that was about the same era and style. Those shapers will do good work, they just aren't as heavy duty and don't have the bells and whistles of the later shapers. Looks like it should turn out nicely. The hardest part is the motor drive. That Whipp used a 3 speed manual car transmision between the motor and the cone pulley for the drive. It worked fairly well. If you have the matching cone pulley for that it can be simpler, I had a Steptoe 16" that had a nice all flat belt motor drive that used the matching cone pulleys to change the speeds.
Someone in the past put this fairly nice drive on the Steptoe. The handle lifts and lowers a hinged motor plate to act as a clutch between the motor and the countershaft. The handle has a trigger and detents that hold the motor in the up or down position czcams.com/video/3mPITysFP3g/video.html
It's in remarkable condition considering it's age and the fact it's been in a paddock for decades. Look forward to seeing it restored to its original condition.
Love the shaper. Thanks for showing, I'll follow with interest as you bring her back to life. Nice clear video. I just bought an old Invicta 6M, arrives next week, still has paint on, can't wait.
I have to say you have to love what you do to tackle a project like that. Might want to use that hoist a bit more often too. That stuff looks HEAVY. I am sure your back wouldn't mind. That poor old bench wouldn't mind either. Looking forward to this one....... Keep us posted.
Forty years in a field.... There ought to be more rodent droppings.... Looking forward to watching this project come to fruition. Thank you for your time and trouble.
She's gonna be pretty when your done with it. Looking foward to seeing all the process It's a miracle that vise is still on that machine.👌. Thanks for sharing
I love making old stuff new again. This is going to be a series I wouldn't miss for the world! As one commentor said...I civil war vet might have operated that machine. That makes it worth saving, just suspecting that! I'm with you all the way, Mike. Regards, Solomon
Looks to be a very good series going forth. I am contemplating purchasing an old cincinnati 24 in. Shaper. And am very interested in the restoration of yours. I sure it will help me with this one if I decide to purchase it. Thanks for the video and can't wait for the next ones.
Can you imagine some guy that was a veteran of the Civil War, might have worked on this machine, and I thought I was old ;-) . Looking forward to seeing this awesome machine run.
You used carb cleaner on it Mike, there's a good chance that shaper was built before carbs were even invented. :-) Very much looking forward to the rebuild series. You didn't find any cast in manufacturers name on the bottom side of the base when you laid it over on it's side did you? A long shot but it might be there. I've got a couple of old book sized tool supplier catalogs from around that period so I'll check them to see if I can find a match. It also might be found with Google images, but that could take a long time to sort through everything Google will bring up. All that grease did a good job protecting the parts, but my best guess is oil would be the proper lube other than the knees miter gears.
The Backyard Machine Shop i have just finished restoring a 1940s alba that was in very similar condition. it to me a vouple of months. ( a neil9 shaper search will find the videos). its a LOT ofceotk, but worthbit.
Mike, sometimes the best tool for the job is a credit card. Load that frame into your truck and take it to a place that does automotive engine overhauls. Have them put it into their dip tank. Shouldn't cost all that much, and will save a lot of headaches, elbow grease and mess in your shop. See you at the Bar-Z. Jon
Great find mike. I have a smith&mills 16" one very similar to what you have there. Except for it came with a gear reduction gear box which has two gear and a neutral position, which allows free wheeling of the motor until i engauge it.
Mike, I'm sure you know LOTS of ways to deal with rust, but I may have an arrow to add to your quiver. It's lemon juice, which contains citric acid (a complexing agent) and ascorbic acid (a reducing agent). Ferric becomes ferrous and goes into solution. Not too different than using vinegar, but it sure smells BETTER. Eli D.
Neat shaper. If you want to get the case clean see if a transmission replace place has a cleaning station big enough to fit it in. I would only hope the carcass is light enough to move. LOL
Good Luck with the shaper project . I don't think it will take you to long on this machine because there is not a lot of working parts to deal with just a lot of tare down clean up a little paint and you're be making chips
Hey, I'm an Ohio boy, we'll take credit for that shaper! Just kidding but any thing that could sit out in the weather that long and look that good (well) has to be tough and worth restoration. Thanks for the video and looking forward to this project up and running. Greg
Hello Mike. I'll be glued to the screen for this series. I need to do almost the same thing to about a 1930's 16 inch Cincinnati. Keep up the good work. Thanks for sharing.
What a fantastic machine to have as a restoration project! I'll be sittin' right here - waitin' for the next video from You! Keep up the good work - oh, and by the way, the audio is now perfect!
I was referred here by Keith. Enjoyed the video Mike. Appreciate your saving it from the scrap yard. Looking forward to seeing it cut chips. Thanks for posting.
I had a LeBlond lathe a long time ago that had threaded taper pins in the quick change gear box, I had never scene one before so my first Instinct was to remove the nut when I should have tightened it and it would have pulled the pin out.
Not being able to see the pin with you waving it around, I believe the pin taper large end being on the threaded end. Removing by tightening the nut pulling the pin.. I've come across these before, I thought it a good idea in the right situation...
Thanks for watching, I have seen the taper pin with the threads that are used to remove the pin. However this one the thread is on the small diameter of the pin
I know how you feel with a rusty dirty mess, not the 40 years worth though. When I got my south bend lathe it had been outside for awhile. Diesel will take off an amazing amount of gunk. Keep at it, she'll turn out alright. 🖒
I know other's have named brands, but there are parts that are very similar to my Steptoe-Western. So, possibly a much earlier Steptoe? That company was around for quite a while. Maybe there will be some indication when you take that badge off. The serial on mine is stamped on the ram, just behind where the tool head mounts, that might provide some clues also.
The Backyard Machine Shop yes it was part of the tools from Columbus. I ended up with it and a 18” Monarch. I’m almost done with my small Leblond and only have 3 more machines waiting in line.
To make that a good usable machine you need some means of automated horizontal travel. I didn't see that or maybe I missed it. An interesting thought experiment is how you would fit a stepper motor to drive the horizontal travel.
how can rucker have 100 thou and you have 10 thou? when youre a much better machinist and all he does is barely machine and say what he wishes he has and then do odds and ends every week showing off all the stuff people send him? love your videos bro---top 4 on machining on you tube for sure!!
Well, here it's Dec 14th 2021, and the rack on the Klopp 450 lead screw travels ok, but Klopp's ( on mine) iinstalled a drift pin that is a b- -ch to get to to drive out...Your videos are a real help, even though differant maker,, Beast to you Mike over the Holidays,, Bear in TX..
I'd guess the machine was either sold without the drive pulley and it was added later by the buyer, or it was shipped separately to avoid damage and installed by the buyer.
Looking forward to following this - glad to see a rare survivor in such good hands. The manufacturer mystery sent me delving into my shelf of old catalogues. I think I may have found a likely contender in the Springfield Machine Tool Co? The catalogue illustrations are certainly strikingly similar to you machine. My books are dated 1902 and 1904, and list them in three sizes - 12, 15 and 20" stroke. There is also a picture of one in an 1896 advertisement for the firm on Mr Rucker's excellent vintagemachinery.org website - so they were clearly making them in the 1890s. I would like to send you a copy of the information I have found. Is there a way I can get it to you?
Well Firstly...greetings again from England... It would appear you've got yourself a very nice shaper there...they're getting harder to come by... Did you put any witness marks on any of those gib strips for future reference (side & orientation)...? Also you'll find that a wire brush on an angle grinder will bring the slides back to bright without any material loss... Then finish with scotch pad & oil... Just a thought mind you... PS. Please be careful lifting heavy lumps of ore on your own won't you...😊 Most stepped pulleys used square head bolts to locate them...perhaps that pin you had to drive out was the remnants of that..? Gears tend to be taper pinned...
I noticed that the badge had Manchester NH on it. I could not make out the rest. If you send me all the info on the badge I will see if the historic assoc. can help finding out more about the machine for you. George
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Respectfully, I would like to inquire about why so much noise is made when he walks? Is there something down to catch oil? Or does his floor need to be swept? Maybe I missed something. Sorry, I am just curious, new to this channel, and I am enjoying the content here.
The machine was in a field and it is dropping dirt, rust all over the floor. yes it needs sweeping but it would need sweeping constantly, Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
The Backyard Machine Shop I wondered if that was a possibility. I also hope my question was not rude. You definitely have quite the talent, and a lot of patience for working on these old gems.
What a nasty wreack, with that being said all the parts do not look to be beyond repair. I am guessing the oil is dipped and slung by the gears on the inside and the operator oils the rest of the moving parts daily from the outside
the gears had been greased real well, there is no sump for oil everything gets oiled daily. what helped keep these machines some what savable was the fact they used grease instesd of oil
This looks like a big job but you will make that shaper look and run like new. Thank You!
I hope to do it justice
Looks like another good project. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Joseph
What a project, looks to me that restoring an old machine will be better than buying an imported one in terms of fit, finish and longevity. Thanks for sharing and looking forward to the next video.☺ Best wishes from . down under.
Thanks for watching,
That's a great start to the restoration no broken parts to worry about. When you get around to painting that beauty I think a shade of blue similar to Aboms, welder would look smart!
Thanks for recommendation
Really enjoyed the Pratt-Whitney lathe restoration and will watch every step as you restore the "John Doe " shaper
Thanks merle
Excellent. This is going to be a series I wouldn't miss.
Thanks Willem
Wonderful ole shaper Mike , Thanks to you it will live again .. THUMBS UP !!
Thanks
It surprised me to see how easily the fasteners broke loose. Nice work. I am here after watching you, Bailey and Brian discussing Brian's machine work on this shaper.
Yikes to seeing the main pedestal body on its own in it's solid lump of iron goodness! i can't think of a single situation today that a manufacturer would cast something that size with that much mass in good grade iron.... incredible. Thanks for taking on the olde machine as reconditioning project, adding it to the few of these incredible tools of our engineering history so they get to stay on and not allowed to end up recycled as rebar....
I agree Pete
Had to watch this a second time! Such a cool machine! What a blessing thi is going to be for the Mill!
Cool, send some of your viewers this way, I just got in from a 14 hour trip picking up another machine that is close to as bad is the shaper
@@TheBackyardMachineShop You got it! I saw the mill on Instagram. Looks cool!
the mill is going to be a fun one.,If I ever get it done it will probably need a home also
Congratulations Mr. & Mrs. Wiggins....you are now the proud grandparent's of a Shaper! 😊
Yea a 130 year old shaper
You will make it a beauty Mike, I have no doubt...just look over that the Pratt! ~ Richard
Old machines were really built to last. It's incredible how it can withstand so many years in the open.
Looking forward to the progress of the restoration since I'm in the same situation with my shaper.
I would not miss a single video of watching you work your magic on restoring this shaper and get it back up and running.
Thanks James
She looks to be in good condition. Good job!
Thanks Keith
Mike, so happy to see this machine come back to life and you are the right man to do it, I always look forward to your videos.
Thank You
I am amazed at how easy that came apart and how good it looks for having set outside. Here it seems the rain dissolves metal. Stuff sits outside for a year its heat and beat time to get it apart. Your saving is going well!!!
Hurry up and get that mill going, I might need you to machine something for me
Hope my Klopp 450 tares down as easy. Picking up this Sat morning on Dec 4th 21.
Looks like another great project. Looking forward to it
Thanks
She's smarten to looks nakid! keep up the good work but don't forget to have fun.. thanks for sharing
It's all fun Dennis
Nice job documenting the disassembly. That was an awesome find. Wish we had fields of dreams with complete vintage machines like yours in FL. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching
Thanks for rescuing a wonderful old machine.
Thanks for watching
That is an awesome find! I enjoyed watching your video and look forward to come along for the ride as you progress towards the finish. I was a machinist my self for a while almost 20 years. I learned my craft in the US Navy and have a deep appreciation for the old machines and would love to have a shop with nothing but restored American cast iron!
Thanks Gerald, and thanks for your service
Just sold a little 12" Whipp shaper last year that was about the same era and style. Those shapers will do good work, they just aren't as heavy duty and don't have the bells and whistles of the later shapers. Looks like it should turn out nicely. The hardest part is the motor drive. That Whipp used a 3 speed manual car transmision between the motor and the cone pulley for the drive. It worked fairly well. If you have the matching cone pulley for that it can be simpler, I had a Steptoe 16" that had a nice all flat belt motor drive that used the matching cone pulleys to change the speeds.
Yes I have the counter pulley and a line shaft set up.
Someone in the past put this fairly nice drive on the Steptoe. The handle lifts and lowers a hinged motor plate to act as a clutch between the motor and the countershaft. The handle has a trigger and detents that hold the motor in the up or down position
czcams.com/video/3mPITysFP3g/video.html
It's in remarkable condition considering it's age and the fact it's been in a paddock for decades.
Look forward to seeing it restored to its original condition.
Thanks Dennis
Love the shaper. Thanks for showing, I'll follow with interest as you bring her back to life. Nice clear video. I just bought an old Invicta 6M, arrives next week, still has paint on, can't wait.
Thanks
I have to say you have to love what you do to tackle a project like that. Might want to use that hoist a bit more often too. That stuff looks HEAVY. I am sure your back wouldn't mind. That poor old bench wouldn't mind either. Looking forward to this one....... Keep us posted.
Thanks for watching Johnny,
Forty years in a field.... There ought to be more rodent droppings....
Looking forward to watching this project come to fruition.
Thank you for your time and trouble.
Everything that could hold something had something in it. Thanks for watching.
Alright! So excited to see the new project underway man.
Thanks for watching
thank you for posting the shaper rebuild.
Thanks for watching
She's gonna be pretty when your done with it. Looking foward to seeing all the process It's a miracle that vise is still on that machine.👌. Thanks for sharing
Thanks Steve, I have everything including the counter shaft and hangers.
yay the shaper club!
Nice to see another old machine brought back to life, Nice job!
Thanks
I love making old stuff new again. This is going to be a series I wouldn't miss for the world! As one commentor said...I civil war vet might have operated that machine. That makes it worth saving, just suspecting that! I'm with you all the way, Mike. Regards, Solomon
Thanks Soloman
O boy here we go again!! you got to love it !!!!
I was actually thinking the same thing
Looks to be a very good series going forth. I am contemplating purchasing an old cincinnati 24 in. Shaper. And am very interested in the restoration of yours. I sure it will help me with this one if I decide to purchase it. Thanks for the video and can't wait for the next ones.
Thanks Mark, Good luck with the Cincinnati
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching
Can you imagine some guy that was a veteran of the Civil War, might have worked on this machine, and I thought I was old ;-) . Looking forward to seeing this awesome machine run.
I have never thought about the Civil War angle
You used carb cleaner on it Mike, there's a good chance that shaper was built before carbs were even invented. :-) Very much looking forward to the rebuild series. You didn't find any cast in manufacturers name on the bottom side of the base when you laid it over on it's side did you? A long shot but it might be there. I've got a couple of old book sized tool supplier catalogs from around that period so I'll check them to see if I can find a match. It also might be found with Google images, but that could take a long time to sort through everything Google will bring up. All that grease did a good job protecting the parts, but my best guess is oil would be the proper lube other than the knees miter gears.
love tear downs. I didn't even get any grease on me. thank you
Thanks for watching I'm still cleaning out my fingernails
Interesting! I am working on a 7" shaper, made in 1947 and it is definitely a challenge, gratifying though preserving a little piece of history.
Thanks John, And good luck on your machine
The Backyard Machine Shop
i have just finished restoring a 1940s alba that was in very similar condition. it to me a vouple of months. ( a neil9 shaper search will find the videos). its a LOT ofceotk, but worthbit.
Mine is a 1947 Porter Cable, real good shape. Send me a photo I would be interested.
I'm looking forward to the transformation. I'm amazed that she's in such good shape after being exposed to the weather for decades.
Thanks for watching
Thank you for sharing all these resurrections, great to see them coming back to "life".
Thanks Steve
Excellent glad no major hiccups. Solid design to last it out this long.
_Dan_
Thank Dan
Unbelievable how great shape that is! I can't wait to see you do your magic on it......
Thanks Jster
That Shaper is lucky to have found your place to live!
Thanks Jerry
I now have seen most of your videos and look forward to this project. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for watching
WOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOO...a new full restoration project! Looking forward to following Mike!
Thanks Grand
First time a see a restorstion video without blue or black nasty sweaty rubbet gloves! Amazing!
What a great start.
Thanks,
John
Thanks John
Wow that is definitely the project. Looking forward to watch this one, good for you on these restorations.
Thanks for watching and leaving a coment
Mike, sometimes the best tool for the job is a credit card. Load that frame into your truck and take it to a place that does automotive engine overhauls. Have them put it into their dip tank. Shouldn't cost all that much, and will save a lot of headaches, elbow grease and mess in your shop. See you at the Bar-Z. Jon
I have considered that, I just need to find one with a big enough tank
sweet project Mike! Looking forward to seeing it come back to life.
Thanks Doug
Enjoyed your video, and hit your subscribe button. Always nice to see another old machine saved.
Thanks for watching and subscribing
Awesome. project.. i will be watching the progress.. Thumbs up Mike!!
Thanks Jan
Great find mike. I have a smith&mills 16" one very similar to what you have there. Except for it came with a gear reduction gear box which has two gear and a neutral position, which allows free wheeling of the motor until i engauge it.
I am really looking forward to this resurrection. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Thanks for watching
Mike,
I'm sure you know LOTS of ways to deal with rust, but I may have an arrow to add to your quiver. It's lemon juice, which contains citric acid (a complexing agent) and ascorbic acid (a reducing agent). Ferric becomes ferrous and goes into solution. Not too different than using vinegar, but it sure smells BETTER.
Eli D.
I might give it a try
Just came over from bcbloc02 to subscribe and follow the progress on the shaper and the other items you are saving. Great projects!
Neat shaper. If you want to get the case clean see if a transmission replace place has a cleaning station big enough to fit it in. I would only hope the carcass is light enough to move. LOL
Sounds like good idea
Good Luck with the shaper project . I don't think it will take you to long on this machine because there is not a lot of working parts to deal with just a lot of tare down clean up a little paint and you're be making chips
It might take a while,
Great to see a new project! As you know, that is why I watch! Keep it up my friend.
Thanks Dan
Hey, I'm an Ohio boy, we'll take credit for that shaper! Just kidding but any thing that could sit out in the weather that long and look that good (well) has to be tough and worth restoration. Thanks for the video and looking forward to this project up and running. Greg
Thanks Charles
Hello Mike. I'll be glued to the screen for this series. I need to do almost the same thing to about a 1930's 16 inch Cincinnati. Keep up the good work. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Uncle Bob
Bob's your uncle?
What a fantastic machine to have as a restoration project! I'll be sittin' right here - waitin' for the next video from You! Keep up the good work - oh, and by the way, the audio is now perfect!
Thanks for watching
I was referred here by Keith. Enjoyed the video Mike. Appreciate your saving it from the scrap yard. Looking forward to seeing it cut chips. Thanks for posting.
Man, I am so jealous... that will be a beautiful machine when done...
Thanks for watching
Going to love this restore. Thanks.
Thanks Steve
You have yourself another great project. Looks like you got a good start. In the upcoming months the restoration will be awesome.
Thanks James
I had a LeBlond lathe a long time ago that had threaded taper pins in the quick change gear box, I had never scene one before so my first Instinct was to remove the nut when I should have tightened it and it would have pulled the pin out.
The threaded taper pins are threaded on the major diameter of the pin, the threads help with the extraction of the pins
Nice job thanks for showing us how to take things apart. I'm losing my fear of doing things like that.
Thanks for watching
Not being able to see the pin with you waving it around, I believe the pin taper large end being on the threaded end. Removing by tightening the nut pulling the pin.. I've come across these before, I thought it a good idea in the right situation...
Thanks for watching, I have seen the taper pin with the threads that are used to remove the pin. However this one the thread is on the small diameter of the pin
It looks like it may be in good shape. Thank you sir.
Thank you Kerry
Nice project, considering how long she sat outside its not bad.
Thanks Jim
I'm looking forward to this restoration. It should be a good series. Thanks
Thanks for watching
Looks like The Springfield Machine Co 25 Inch Back geared crank shaper
It does have some spring field look to it
I think it’s about time for you to start on your line shaft to drive all these beauties ...
Thanks Jon, If I had the extra money I would build a line shaft shop
I know how you feel with a rusty dirty mess, not the 40 years worth though. When I got my south bend lathe it had been outside for awhile. Diesel will take off an amazing amount of gunk. Keep at it, she'll turn out alright. 🖒
Thanks Alex
great vid and awesome project, love machine restoration videos
Thanks for watching
It came apart pretty good for being left out doors! You should build and e tank for all those rusty parts.
I am considering that, But I can have it to bare metal with a needle scaler before the tank fills with water
Just for use on the smaller parts I agree needle scaler is faster on bigger pieces.
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think you gonna have a good machine when your done
thanks for your work
Thanks
it is looking real good great job just wish i had one to work on
I know other's have named brands, but there are parts that are very similar to my Steptoe-Western. So, possibly a much earlier Steptoe? That company was around for quite a while. Maybe there will be some indication when you take that badge off. The serial on mine is stamped on the ram, just behind where the tool head mounts, that might provide some clues also.
Thanks I will give it a look
Well done greet job ,congratulations
very cool machine, always fun but frustrating to take apart somethign with no manual or experience on that exact machine.
These old machines were pretty straight forward, simple and over engineered that's why a lot of them still exist today
Hey mike. Look forward to this series. I hope to get started on my 24” G&E shaper in the next month or so.
Whats up Andy, Is that the G&E that came out of Columbus,
The Backyard Machine Shop yes it was part of the tools from Columbus. I ended up with it and a 18” Monarch. I’m almost done with my small Leblond and only have 3 more machines waiting in line.
love this project, can't wait to see it done. makes me want a shaper!
Looks like you are off to a good start
Thanks
To make that a good usable machine you need some means of automated horizontal travel. I didn't see that or maybe I missed it. An interesting thought experiment is how you would fit a stepper motor to drive the horizontal travel.
It has a auto feed system
Looks like the autofeed is the mechinisum below the steppully.
Yeah! The Shaper. Do your magic Mike and make Abom jealous.
Thanks Craig
New subscriber here . Enjoyed the video . I am very interested in the old shapers . Good luck on your project .
Thanks for watching
how can rucker have 100 thou and you have 10 thou? when youre a much better machinist and all he does is barely machine and say what he wishes he has and then do odds and ends every week showing off all the stuff people send him? love your videos bro---top 4 on machining on you tube for sure!!
Thanks,
This is going to be an adventure!
Yes it is, Thanks for watching
Well, here it's Dec 14th 2021, and the rack on the Klopp 450 lead screw travels ok, but Klopp's ( on mine) iinstalled a drift pin that is a b- -ch to get to to drive out...Your videos are a real help, even though differant maker,, Beast to you Mike over the Holidays,, Bear in TX..
Looks like a j steptoe shaper made in Cincinnati ohio i got one and it got the name on the side door that opens to the ram arm
I looked up the Step toes in the book and it does look close,
Ram actually has better oil distribution grooves than a lot of machines
Wow, 4 years in a field in the wet UK and it would be worse than that. Looking forward to the rest.....
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment
I'm looking forward to watching this series. Here we go...
I'd guess the machine was either sold without the drive pulley and it was added later by the buyer, or it was shipped separately to avoid damage and installed by the buyer.
Not sure.
Looking forward to following this - glad to see a rare survivor in such good hands. The manufacturer mystery sent me delving into my shelf of old catalogues. I think I may have found a likely contender in the Springfield Machine Tool Co? The catalogue illustrations are certainly strikingly similar to you machine. My books are dated 1902 and 1904, and list them in three sizes - 12, 15 and 20" stroke. There is also a picture of one in an 1896 advertisement for the firm on Mr Rucker's excellent vintagemachinery.org website - so they were clearly making them in the 1890s. I would like to send you a copy of the information I have found. Is there a way I can get it to you?
Thanks for the effort, Springfield was one I was studying out of my book. It could well be but there are some subtle differences.
Well
Firstly...greetings again from England...
It would appear you've got yourself a very nice shaper there...they're getting harder to come by...
Did you put any witness marks on any of those gib strips for future reference (side & orientation)...?
Also you'll find that a wire brush on an angle grinder will bring the slides back to bright without any material loss...
Then finish with scotch pad & oil...
Just a thought mind you...
PS. Please be careful lifting heavy lumps of ore on your own won't you...😊
Most stepped pulleys used square head bolts to locate them...perhaps that pin you had to drive out was the remnants of that..?
Gears tend to be taper pinned...
Yes I did
You make it look easy, which it isn't, it's fun! Are you going to run it on a line shaft?
I would love to run a line shaft, Right now my shop ismt set up for one. Maybe one day I can build a line shaft shop
I noticed that the badge had Manchester NH on it. I could not make out the rest. If you send me all the info on the badge I will see if the historic assoc. can help finding out more about the machine for you. George
Here you go
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From the age of the machine and length of time it sat outside looks like you really lucked out on the condition.
Doc the previous owner lubricated it with grease, The grease protected the machine
Respectfully, I would like to inquire about why so much noise is made when he walks? Is there something down to catch oil? Or does his floor need to be swept? Maybe I missed something. Sorry, I am just curious, new to this channel, and I am enjoying the content here.
The machine was in a field and it is dropping dirt, rust all over the floor. yes it needs sweeping but it would need sweeping constantly, Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.
The Backyard Machine Shop I wondered if that was a possibility. I also hope my question was not rude.
You definitely have quite the talent, and a lot of patience for working on these old gems.
What a nasty wreack, with that being said all the parts do not look to be beyond repair. I am guessing the oil is dipped and slung by the gears on the inside and the operator oils the rest of the moving parts daily from the outside
the gears had been greased real well, there is no sump for oil everything gets oiled daily. what helped keep these machines some what savable was the fact they used grease instesd of oil