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- čas přidán 18. 08. 2024
- This is Plus or Minus: The Horological Debate Show about the BEST and WORST of the Watch World. We're going head-to-head and saying everything you wish people would say about the watches we love and hate.
Balazs Ferenczi (@ferenczibazs)
Co-Host of the Fratello On-Air Podcast
Thomas Hendricks (@je_tomm)
Host of the Chrono24 CZcams Channel
0:00 JLC Reverso Tribute Chronograph vs. Tudor "Polar" GMT
2:37 Breitling (early 2000s) vs. F.P.Journe
6:58 Bulgari Octo Finissimo vs. Tissot PRX
9:14 London vs. New York City
11:16 Anthracite vs. Black
13:16 Corum x Rolls Royce vs. Girard-Perregaux x Aston Martin
15:48 Perlon Straps vs. Bracelets
18:30 Chronograph vs. Equation of Time
20:53 Blancpain Fifty Fathoms vs. DOXA SUB 300
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Great format and conversation. One of the best watch videos I've seen, and I've seen many many watch videos. More like this!
Great series with a lot of insight! I love your guys' honesty and lack of fear of saying things wrong. You say it how it is, which has become clearly rare these days.
I love how very honestly opinionated you both were, no bias was obvious whatsoever.
Keep up the great work!
My favorite watch of this year was made the young Japanese watchmaker J.S. Elliot. He is just 17 years old and recently released his first watch! Im very curious to see what he can make down the road.
I’m totally with Thomas on the Octo Finissimo: it’s way too big. I’ve got a 7 inch wrist and I used to rock a couple of 45.5 mm Planet Oceans (love those handsome beasts!) so I’m well comfortable with big chunky watches on my wrist. However, the Octo Finissimo isnt a tool watch. The current size takes up way too much space on the wrist to look elegant. Which is such a shame as it could’ve been the last word in svelteness.
to each their own..I own an Octo Finissimo and I adore it. It's my everyday watch and I can't get enough. It's amazingly comfortable and durable.
Really enjoyed that conversation, it was very organic and natural. Great job guys!
Glad to see more of these longer format videos!
Nice video chaps well done 😊 more of these pleeeease … 🎉
loved this vid, please do some more, great chemistry between you to.
The most campest episode ever! But did love it 😂
The bromance is real
AP are so overrated.
Hear, hear!
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There's definitely an argument to be made here. However, vintage (non-Royal Oak) AP watches are still underrated
@@Chrono24Official Agreed but vintage AP is almost a different brand these days. It's so different when compared to its contemporary.
@@timcarlstrand5890 good point by both of you!
6:17 What is the name of F.P. Journe hands? I heard "typographywise" but I googled for that and couldn't find any references online.
Awesome content and great answers 🙌🏻👍🏻
Diffrent vibe from other channels ... like it: more subdued, with different layers and still opinionated ... great!
Most intersting, and possibly best, integrated sports bracelet is Sarpaneva. It suits their case so well which is not an easy feat given the odd case shape.
Really enjoyed the review and banter guys - great fun.
Absolutely right about the Doxa Dive watch👏👏👏
Good stuff Thomas and Balazs...👍
The Breitling, American Muscle car colab is fantastic!
I got the first version of the Corvette, and I could not be more pleased
guys thank you… great format… please continue 👍👍👍
I was shocked to hear Breitling as overrated. They may have the best chronographs on the market. Agree on FP Journe.
Arguably 2nd best only to Zenith, but otherwise I agree completely
The tissot prx keeps the best time of any watch I own. Its around +2 a day. At $700. digest that
Digest that? Sure. You were lucky. They don't mention such a spec and most anecdotal evidence isn't so positive.
That means that when you send it for servicing, you can expect it to return less accurate than new.
Exactly, He is lucky - Because if PRX does not perform, you cant even service it. It's a "use and dump" mechanical watch, a paradoxon we shall not reward or allow@@shuycg
@@shuycg 👍👍
It’s a fine watch considering the price. Kudos to Tissot for putting to market an attractive, affordable, and well made watch. Not everyone can afford or want to pay for a tier one brand.
Accuracy and precision are two very different things. Digest that.
Good conversation. I got distracted by the tossing of the question cards on the floor, with virtually every answer, from the guy on the right. It got me wondering: Are there staffing plebs that have to pick these up after the filming? (Like happens on a late night TV show with famous comedians - which is where I am guessing he copied this from anyway). Or do they they have to pick up these cards themselves later?? OR, just leave them for the cleaning crew? Dying to know!!!!!!
Breitling is hardly overated!
Love this series
yeah! Arnold & Son Perpetual Moon getting recognition. I picked a black one up last month and love it. Very comfortable and such a stunner to look at all day.
surprised to hear thomas not familiar with octo solotempo, discontinued line of basically a smaller but thicker octo finissimo
Ah yes! I forgot about that in the moment. I'd still love to see a 36mm Octo that wears like a 38mm (please please please!)
Best dial color: black. Best complication: chronograph. SPOT ON.
London is one of the last places i would recommend someone to buy a watch. Over 6000 luxury watch robberies in London in 2022...
The questions was more where to buy not where to wear and in that case there’s possibly not better city then London. The huge variety of possibilities is immense.
@@excention7338thats doesnt matter. There are literally hundreds of videos of robberies happening in the "safest" streets. London police has said there are over 8 different watch robbery gangs in London alone. Its mainly moped / motorcycle snatch and grabs with multiple scouts.
Diversity redistribution
@@PeteNice29 how do you say you are a white nationalist while not so cleverly trying to hide it?
Rolex is massively overrated and overpriced. Don't care about inflation or what the market says. They're made on a conveyor belt and there's nothing rate about them. Sure, they're very well built but you're only paying for marketing. Tudor is far cooler and better value.
So true
Word. Although I think the big three sports watches of Omega, Rolex and Tudor all betray their heritage but making designs that don't wear well, and leave out features. I'd love to be CEO of all three and fix so many pieces. They really don't deserve to have the heritage that they are custodians of. Really disappointing.
So nice to see Balazs again!
2000s Breitlings were way better watches than the mainstream major players. Haven't seen any improvement with the new management except if you consider tudor collab a plus
So true. Something very special about Schneider era Breitling.
Way to much hype for AP, not enough hype for Longines. I know one super luxury, the other entry luxury. Stop hating on Tag. They are certainly getting better.
All the hipster watch collectors hate on Tag and Breitling. It’s the cool thing to do. Herd mentality.
"At least the CEO (of TAG) doesn't want to be a Superstar" .... He's a billionaire, so I think hes already a Superstar 😂🤣
He’s not a billionaire
@@frozenfenix0 Frédéric Arnault was the CEO at the time of the comment.
I find the comments about Breitling being overrated are grossly exaggerated and desperate, as if 'somebody' was tiptoe around it. How can Breitling be overrated when they get pretty much zero love or admonishment from any critics or industry elitists? I think its a terrible response. Personally I would have said Richard Mille or Audmers Piguet, of which both are easily justified as incredibly overrated.
Fun episode!
Surprised nobody mentioned VC for overrated - quality is really a bit underwhelming for its alleged position which is supposed to be in line with PP and AP
that GP!
Its fairly obvious to ke that some brands pay for plugs while others dont and never will
I go for JLC reverso duo.. timeless, elegant and simply unique !
Rolex is (Overrated pro max plus )² × ♾️
Interesting that a single Seiko mentioned
We can all agree to disagree, i like the mixed commentary and opinions. Great video!
You had me at- perlon strap will destroy the hallmarks of your precious metal hardware. What? I will try hard to remember that....for sure.😂
Sorry, but many of the answers, including those at 2:45, lack depth. There's a trend of brands fabricating their histories or new companies acquiring old names and claiming a legacy they weren't part of. It's important to acknowledge genuine contributions in watchmaking history.
Your response seems to overlook some key contributions of Breitling to watchmaking. For instance, the two-button chronograph, a standard now, was first introduced by Breitling in the early 1940s, long before other renowned brands like Zenith, Omega, or Rolex entered this space. It's important to note that brands like Rolex initially used movements from others, such as Zenith, for their chronographs. Moreover, Breitling's lack of marketing about their rich history might be why their significant contributions are less known. Notably, they were also one of the few brands to consistently obtain COSC certification for all their watches, including quartz models. This demonstrates their commitment to precision and quality across their range.
They are just parroting the hate on Breitling view without much independent thought.
Brietling make beautiful watches but their pricing is too high for where they are in the market. I think they're overrated as well.
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@@cdb5001Breitling doesn't pay for plugs. And if you think they're overpriced you should provide a little context, if you think you can.
@@daverauti1170 oh should I? Sorry I didn't realize you were the watch comment Stasi. Apologies for not providing context on command for you, please don't have me arrested, oh morally righteous one.
Oh that JLC reverso is a fantastic choice.
Great video guys 👏 “pretty, but useless “ 😂
So true!
The Octo is definitely too big. A miss when in reality, it's a design icon.
BS about TAG Heuer. The glassbox Carrera is simply stunning.
Rolex is crazy overrated
As should have been stated by the fearless presenters
@@michaelriera6277 4:45
So many great releases this year and you pick two of the most overrated watches ever 🤦♂️
What's yours?
@@Chrono24Official The TAG Heuer lightbox Carreras - the blue, black and skipper. Outstanding! Only gripe is for that kind of moolah, they need to at least chronometer certified. Every Breitling is chronometer certified, Omega is mostly METAS, Tudor is going all in METAS.... TAG where are you on the chronometer certs?! Also 21mm lug with is... c'mon shave off 1mm please!
The Reverso is ghetto, and that Tudor is basic af.
Zenith Defy Glacier dial.
Great views. Thanks!
Re overated, .............. is it just me, or is the answer Patek Philippe? I have held many, but in every case it's been disappointing?
Integrated bracelet watches? No.
Black dial
Most over rated by far = RM
Rolex is not over rated it is just overpriced on the secondary market 😊😢
Like me it's pretty and useless. So good.
Rolex is overrated for where they are imo
Blancpain is overrated
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Rolex is overrated
The Octo Finissimo was the worst watch I ever tried on in person. I never took a watch off so quick in my life. Ugly, flat , wide, horrible looking on wrist. I think it's a cool looking watch until you try it on.
You guys are so predictable.
Thomas your head is way too big for your body. Some angles it looked like you had been photoshopped to make your head 50% bigger and your hands 50% smaller. Then I realized that’s just normal 😂
Thanks. I'll wear my other head for the next video.
Hahahaha what
@@Chrono24OfficialPerfect answer to this douchbag. Bravo! 😉
You know what they say about guys with big heads...