Unpopular opinion time: I would argue that the Soldano sounds much like a recto (better, imho)... since Mesa was essentially ripping off Mike's design.
Hell yes! When people get all upset about something not being exactly the same as one example or the other, I'm always sitting here thinking about how 150 different components each with a 5 to 20% tolerance in their values really adds up.
Well. They say the Recto‘s preamp is a Soldano rip-off. But because of the power amp design, the Rectifier‘s tone is as far away from a Soldano like the Diezel in this video. So this is rather a technical argument. Sonically there’s no similarity.
The pedal is so close, and quite impressive. But that low end thump from the power section can't be replicated. I gather the in the room feel of that low end is dramatically different?.
Mate, I just need to say I love how you make these "mouth sounds" to highlight different amp mid voicings. "Gongongooonk" makes me laugh every time but it's absolutely accurate and I cannot think of a better way to convey the sensation
Makes it look so easy, that just shows how much of a pro this guy is. I like his descriptions and sounds. The “rattle” he’s talking about, I call sizzle. That freaking sick tone is timeless to me. May pick up this pedal and mess around with it on my MB dual caliber DC-5
Goddamn an actual comparison video where someone shows the whole chain from pup to cab. Easy sub. Hope you try all those pedals, even just seeing the 5150 get close would be crazy. TC would be mad to not send you the whole set.
Very close! I'd say the amp extends a little further in both the bass and top, but probably not noticeable (or maybe even the parts you'd EQ out) in a real mix. Sounds brilliant. Will probably buy one as a studio tool.
Pedal has a little less low end oompf power from what i hear but really captures the character like you said. Awesome if you want mobility and abit tamed version.
That is pretty amazing. These pedals are getting insane man. I have that SLO pedal and its been pretty badass for me. I might have to grab one of these also.
yes, recto's power section, along with using rectifier tubes, is what it makes rectos. and it's designed so well that using/trying different power tubes with recto is fun practice, too. 6V6GT gives recto more smooth and nicely saturated sound with hint of vintage vibe, and 6CA7 gives in-your-face yet warm sound. personally, i use 6550/KT88 for my dual recto from mid 90s, and 6V6GTs for triple recto from early 2000s. 🤟
Great review. I play noise rock through a silverface twin but just started a side project, and early writing is using a Dual Rec' simulation on my PC. So thinking about going live i dont want to buy the real thing. Considering this pedal to go into my Twin and your comments and explanation about how to use it are super helpful. Thankyou 👍🏼
This pedal sounds a bit like what a Rectifier would sound like if it was made by Peavey/EVH. It's a bit more mid-focused and has less of the top end fizz/rattle and low end rumble. Overall it's pretty cool. I wonder what it soudns like in a mix.
@KohleAudioKult the other guitarist in my band uses a real mesa dual rectifier and I use this combo. Keeps up with it nicely, and can get just as loud.
Some of my fav axemen use dual rectifiers. John Petrucci, James Hetfield, Al Di Meola, Kim Thayil, some others. Michael Romeo of Symphony X uses the Dual Wrecks on occasion.
I like blending, a dual recto (my all time fav), a 6505+ and a jcm800 or super lead. You can get some cool tones having each amp do a certain tone aspect.
Hi Kris. Is this a sponsored video? Also, AMT make preamp pedals similar to this. I've been using them for years. Great pedals if your playing live using the venue's backline.
Thinking of ordering this. Going to run my TS9->DW->Guptech pdEQ->Duncan Powerstage 170->ENGL 412 or EVH212. Will be interesting to see what happens! Frankly I am very happy with how the Recto models sound on my Axe Fx Ultra, I use a HPF before the Drive on Axe FX and a PEQ after the amp, boosting a bit of 120, bruhhhh so good! McChunk!
@@KohleAudioKult Actually I mean the amp and attenuator. You can run power amp output into the attenuator for silent recording with real power amp tone/feel. They didn't even realize that when they designed it 🤗
Ahhh the bummer is it doesn't have the presence knob. I like to do the presence all the way up and the treble all the way down on the organge channel in vintage mode with a TS in front and a 10 band in the loop with some fizz rolled off. But, pretty cool!
I have the mooer Cali dual running through the return of a DSL100HR and while I don’t know how it compares to the real thing, it sounds and feels killer. I just ordered this one to put through the return of my TSL100 so this should be interesting. Your comparison sounds very very close.
@@LTDJesse they’re both nice and while the wreck seems to have a couple more features, I’ll probably go with the Mooer since it’s smaller but gets you to the same place sound wise imo. I think it’s just a matter of wether or not the individual will get any use or not out of the boost and presence features on the wreck. I use a seperate overdrive as a boost with both pedals as we would with the real thing so the extra features on the wreck don’t mean much to me personally. Both work well though.
Hey Kristian, great review, great pedal! But would have been nice to see how close to the Dual Rectifier the D-Moll can get. The D-Moll is pretty versatile, not just mid forward. With channel 3, mid cut enabled with nice intensity, and deep and presence dialed in, the D-Moll steps into Rectifier territory. And the D-Moll does not need a Tubescreamer in front of it to be tight 🙂
Thanks for this great video I wanted to buy this pedal but I was very sceptical about it. As I've written in the comments of some other video of yours, the rectifier tone comes really from the power amp as you're stating here (no negative feedback on the red channel). Thanks I'm gonna buy it so I can use it with my solid state power amp Maybe with some eq I can recreate the curve impedance of a tube power amp and finally leave my real rectifier at home
I recently sold my Dual Rect cos I wasn't using it (and needed the money) Looking for a good quiet home recording alternative that doesn't break the bank. Very timely video for me, haha
I’ve never ordered a pedal so quickly just from watching a CZcams video. I’ll take a dual wreck tone over a 5150 any day. I’ll run the pedal into the power amp of my Revv Generator.
If this pedal is too much for you, look at the old Ibanez Smash Box. It's REALLY close and i paid 30 buck for mine last year. It is noisier but it's also cheap enough that i don't mind taking out and about.
Hi, i'm whatching you chanel since 2020 and i noticed, that you use the Ibanez tube screamer differently than almost any person I know... you dial the volume knob to just about? 40-50% of the range. Most of the community always use settings like level at max, drive at 0 and tone somewhere around 12' o clock It would be nice to see a video about different boosts to an amplifier, and different approaches to use some sort of an overdrive pedal to make different distortion characters from the same amp. Greetings from poland !
It would have been interesting to hear the pedal with the Rectifier power amp, I think. And then swithing just between the two preamps. The presence in the "red modern" mode of the amp is also working in the preamp. So, it would also be out of the equation an a similar situation for both preamps. The loop of the Rev F is serial. So, it would work.
I did not do that comparison for two reasons: 1.) Nobody with a real Recto would need/use the pedal like this. 2.) Like you mentioned, they have done more than just copying the pre of the Recto. They tried to implement the character of the entire amp. So why play it into another Recto?
I think that a Rectifier is not that popular these days because of guitar tunings that most of rock and metal bands use. These days stuff like Drop A, Drop G or Drop F is common, and what producers and sound engineers do to that guitar tone is they cut the low end to get more clarity and note definition, and push the mids to make those guitars sound tighter. That's why let's say a 5150 style amp is more common in modern metal. Rectifier, on the other hand, sounds incredible with its huge low end for tunings like Drop D, Drop C or Drop B. And that also why it was popular in 2000s metalcore, nu metal or alternative metal genres.
Wow, im surprised to see someone playing a Fernandes. Ive had a vertigo X for over 20 years and i still think its a great guitar compared to everything else out there now. That pedal sounds really great.
Grest video man! My Crate V33 tube amp's preamp sound is pretty average and the distortion is worse.. This into the Effects return may be exactly what i need. Question for you though, I have a dual overdrive Caline Andes with a boost, based of a Timmy OD pedal. I was wondering if this could be used in place of the TS? Definitely love that tightened up low end you get from a TS. Anyways thanks so much for the review!
Hi Chris, greetings from Leipzig! Attention - Nerd alert! The rectifier schematic that I'm familiar with (rev F afaik) switches the presence knob past the eq section, which comes *before* the fx send/return. That means, if you run any other preamp through the power amp of an rectifier *in modern mode*, that presence knob should practically be without any function. They may have changed that later, idk... can you confirm that? And as you said: those revisions differ quite drastically design wise, so they tend to differ sound wise. put parts tolerances on top and no two amps will ever sound the same. PS: Clausthaler Naturtrüb is king ;)
Presence sitzt im Modern Mode in der Vorstufe, wenn man dann den Einschleifweg nutzt hat es dem entsprechend keine Funktion. Dies hat sich auch später mit den neuen Versionen nie geändert. Bei den Zweikanalern im orangen Kanal im Modern Mode hängt das Presence Poti noch in der Endstufe macht aber aufgrund der fehlenden Gegenkopplung praktisch nichts. Der eigentliche Presence Schaltungsteil in der Vorstufe ist in diesem Mode fixiert. Bei den späteren Dreikanalern wurde dieser ursprüngliche "Bug" bewusst übernommen. Im Red Modern lässt sich hier Presence wie gewohnt in der Vorstufe einstellen. Beim orangen Kanal in Modern hängt Presence dann wieder tot in der Endstufe und macht praktisch nichts. Bei Roadster und Roadking wurde die Schaltung dann geändert und Presence hängt beim Modern Mode sowohl bei CH3, als auch CH4 in der Vorstufe. Jedoch nutzt CH3 ein 10k Poti und CH4 ein 100k Poti. Dadurch ist der Einstellbereich von CH3 sehr stark eingegrenzt. Die 10k sind besser auf Raw und Vintage abgestimmt 100k besser auf Modern. Bei den Multiwatts wurde aus diesem Grund ein doppeltes Poti mit zwei verschiedenen Werten verbaut. Dadurch wurden die ganzen Probleme aus der Welt geschafft. Jedoch wird bei diesem Modell für den Modern Mode beim orangen Kanal auch der Treble Kondensator in der Klangregelung von 500 auf 680pF angehoben (beim roten Kanal sind 680pF immer standard). Dadurch erhält man letztendlich zwei "rote" Modern Channels verliert jedoch den "Orange cloned to Modern" Sound der Zweikanaler bzw. orange Modern der alten Dreikanaler. Insgesamt herscht rund um die Presence Schaltung also relativ viel Wirrwar, jenachdem welche Version des Rectifiers es ist. Der klassische Red Modern Sound für den der Verstärker jedoch so bekannt wurde ist aber bei allen Modellen aber praktisch gleich. Entgegen der üblichen Darstellungen im Internet wurde dieser Schaltungsteil auch praktisch kaum seit der Einführung mehr verändert. Die unterschiedlichen Revisionen beruhen viel mehr auf Layoutänderungen und Bug-Fixes seitens Mesa. Die Layoutänderungen beeinflussen jedoch teils gewollt/teils nicht gewollt den Klang der Modelle. Die Behauptungen, das Mesa die Modelle mittels der Revisionen aktiv "gevoiced" hätte stimmt nicht wirklich.
That TC Dual Wreck is VERY close. I have an ancient Maxon OD-808 overdrive that I bought in Japan back in 1980. Maxon made the inards for the original Tube Screamers back in those days. So I wonder if it would work with one of these Dual Wrecks...?
This is cool. Given how different the road king is it’s making me wonder how different my single rectifier is 🤔 also given past videos where the tone is definitely change mostly by the speaker and mic position, I wonder how close it was sound if you played it through an IR made from the Duel rec + cab + mic combo you were using here?
Absolutely agree. It’s a brilliant review/demo but turning off the built in IR then running into an audio interface with a different IR really feels like it’s missing here…. Even if it’s just to show us they haven’t picked a particularly bad IR, it’s just that you need the power amp and even a great IR doesn’t bring the power!
An IR is „just“ a frequency curve. A power amp does a lot more than just changing the frequencies. So a brighter IR would help but would not fully do the trick.
@@KohleAudioKult Yes, as well as resonance. Just not harmonics and/or compression etc. Would have been fun to see how much ‘closer’ it may have been then the stock IR Regardless though, still a great review/demonstration as always 🤘🤘🤘
@@KohleAudioKult sure, the IR will (by the maths etc) only capture a linear, time independent representation (no compression/distortion/sag) of the underlying system, but I think illustrating this may have been really useful for a lot of people.
Okay, so I bought the dual wreck, and the Tubescreamer (TS9). Can you please share exact settings? Like, it seems you're on the clean channel with boost on? What is the status of the "pre/boost" toggle switch at the back?
Its really close. The pedal has something going on in the gain structure that sounds really... fuzzy. Like Line 6 spider fuzzy. It may be the solid state distortion, or at least that's my guess. Odd order harmonics vs even order. But as far as preamp pedals go, its the best I've heard.
Hey Kris, have you tried the Mooer 011 'Cali-Dual'? I bought one for fun a month ago and it sounds very interesting. It would be interesting if you tried it sometime too. I think I will buy this TC to try it side by side. I know there is another Russian AMT R2 that also emulates the dual rect but it is difficult to get.
@@KohleAudioKultI have one here, which I can ship to you if you don't want to purchase it (if you're willing to take the shipping one way, Hailing from Aachen in Western Germany), then at least you can test it. Lemme know
@@PippPrissI once got absolutely wrecked with a load of Russian gangsters in Maastricht and woke up in Aachen. Beautiful place, very easy on a hurting head 😅
@KohleAudioKult well, how about the power amp in of a Boss Katana Mk2 100 watt head and Katana 212 cabinet? Edit: I just bought one of these and I gotta say I am impressed. I plugged it into the power amp in on my Katana 100 MkII head and I can get a tone almost exactly like what you have here. Very rectifier like.
Tc Eletronics is a KILLER pedal company, everytime they nail! By the way, i don't even like mesa boogie amps at all... THAT is the amount of respect i have for tc eletronics... 😅
Close enough for you? Let me know! 😇
My Cube 10GX recto setting is pretty close too..check it out ...😊😊
Unpopular opinion time: I would argue that the Soldano sounds much like a recto (better, imho)... since Mesa was essentially ripping off Mike's design.
Hell yes! When people get all upset about something not being exactly the same as one example or the other, I'm always sitting here thinking about how 150 different components each with a 5 to 20% tolerance in their values really adds up.
Well. They say the Recto‘s preamp is a Soldano rip-off. But because of the power amp design, the Rectifier‘s tone is as far away from a Soldano like the Diezel in this video.
So this is rather a technical argument. Sonically there’s no similarity.
The pedal is so close, and quite impressive. But that low end thump from the power section can't be replicated. I gather the in the room feel of that low end is dramatically different?.
Mate, I just need to say I love how you make these "mouth sounds" to highlight different amp mid voicings.
"Gongongooonk" makes me laugh every time but it's absolutely accurate and I cannot think of a better way to convey the sensation
Haha! Fair enough. I do a lot of those noises when I talk to musicians when we produce records. It really helps to clarify certain things!
I love both Kohle and Euge Valovirta because of their excellent use of onomatopoeia lol
🤘❤️😜
I’ve always wanted a rectifier and now this is right in my price range 👍🏻
Sounds like you really… “rectified” your situation. 🤓😂
I just ordered this plus the 800. I’ll check in w ya on Wednesday n let you know if they’re as good as the video
@@user-qg8nu1eb2e yes please 👍🏻
Same. I'd assume 90% of the tone is a good tradeoff for a savings of $1,800
Only rectifier I can afford is holding a candle near my rectum...
Can’t wait for the 800 review. It would be cool to put both amps through the same IR. Thanks for the review.
Best demo of the pedal I’ve seen! Pulled the trigger. Checking it out today!
Great straight forward comparison Kristian! This just demonstrates why this is the best high gain amp channel on CZcams again
😇❤️🍻
Makes it look so easy, that just shows how much of a pro this guy is. I like his descriptions and sounds. The “rattle” he’s talking about, I call sizzle. That freaking sick tone is timeless to me. May pick up this pedal and mess around with it on my MB dual caliber DC-5
Thanks man! 🤘❤️
big thanks for the gear setup, really fair comparation
Goddamn an actual comparison video where someone shows the whole chain from pup to cab. Easy sub. Hope you try all those pedals, even just seeing the 5150 get close would be crazy. TC would be mad to not send you the whole set.
I was very much interested in getting one of these, this seals the deal!
Very close! I'd say the amp extends a little further in both the bass and top, but probably not noticeable (or maybe even the parts you'd EQ out) in a real mix. Sounds brilliant. Will probably buy one as a studio tool.
That's really incredible. I can't tell much of a difference.
Damn, would love a "Kohle-Modded" Dual Wreck! You should get in touch with them and license your favourite IR to them. I'd buy that in a heartbeat!
The day has come. Solid state has caught up with tubes.
This is close. A great comparison as always. Thanks Kohle.
It´s Damn close. The Recto sound i love.
Thank you for making this video! This is awesome!
the twinote boogie distortion is a very affordable amazing mesa mark III in a pedal, just check it out! cheers .🎸🎸
Wow! What a fantastic pedal!
Pedal has a little less low end oompf power from what i hear but really captures the character like you said.
Awesome if you want mobility and abit tamed version.
Thank you for posting this great video! Brilliant comparison and the future looks even brighter for bedroom recordists and players 😊
That is pretty amazing. These pedals are getting insane man. I have that SLO pedal and its been pretty badass for me. I might have to grab one of these also.
yes, recto's power section, along with using rectifier tubes, is what it makes rectos. and it's designed so well that using/trying different power tubes with recto is fun practice, too.
6V6GT gives recto more smooth and nicely saturated sound with hint of vintage vibe, and 6CA7 gives in-your-face yet warm sound.
personally, i use 6550/KT88 for my dual recto from mid 90s, and 6V6GTs for triple recto from early 2000s. 🤟
Love that guitar,it's like if you wanna have a LP type for studio where your playing sitting down,that's perfect.
Getting mine in a day or two. Loved this video! Thanks!
Great review. I play noise rock through a silverface twin but just started a side project, and early writing is using a Dual Rec' simulation on my PC. So thinking about going live i dont want to buy the real thing. Considering this pedal to go into my Twin and your comments and explanation about how to use it are super helpful. Thankyou 👍🏼
I have the pedal and forgot about adding the 808...now it sounds way more saturated and where I like to be !! Great demo
2:00 "secret" 😂
"Good job Kristian" möchte man sagen. Großartiges Video, bestens erklärt und demonstriert mal wieder!
Vielen Dank! 🤘
just found my Christmas idea..so cool
Thats quite surprising and impressive for the pedal! Would love to compare it against my dual rec!
Bought the Mimiq pedal too and i'm amazed with the pedal,Kristian!
TC are coming out with some cool shit for sure!
This pedal sounds a bit like what a Rectifier would sound like if it was made by Peavey/EVH. It's a bit more mid-focused and has less of the top end fizz/rattle and low end rumble. Overall it's pretty cool. I wonder what it soudns like in a mix.
Perfect description!
Wow amazing comparison I've been using overloud thu which sounds close. Looks like I could use that in the return of my jcm2000. Great video 😎
Damn close honestly... for someone on a budget wanting that tone, TC nailed it!
This is a great sounding pedal! It's on my list now.
This is pretty wild...how is this only $150? I need one.
Very convincing! Great video, always inspiring.
love their 3 high gain ampworx pedals - Jims800, V550 and the Dual Wreck. great little preamp pedals - I use mine through Blackstar Amped pedal
That sounds like a good combo to me!
@KohleAudioKult the other guitarist in my band uses a real mesa dual rectifier and I use this combo. Keeps up with it nicely, and can get just as loud.
They nailed it.
I still think you should do a Kemper pack. That Rectifier sound is amazing, i want to bring it live
Some of my fav axemen use dual rectifiers. John Petrucci, James Hetfield, Al Di Meola, Kim Thayil, some others. Michael Romeo of Symphony X uses the Dual Wrecks on occasion.
That pedal sounds amazing
I like blending, a dual recto (my all time fav), a 6505+ and a jcm800 or super lead. You can get some cool tones having each amp do a certain tone aspect.
Great vid, thanks dude 🤘
Great Investigation! 👍
Hi Kris. Is this a sponsored video? Also, AMT make preamp pedals similar to this. I've been using them for years. Great pedals if your playing live using the venue's backline.
gogogoga einmalig :-))) 2:55
I used to use a 20/20 Mesa power amp, with an eleven rack on the mesa setting. sounded just like the real deal. must have been the poweramp
Thinking of ordering this. Going to run my TS9->DW->Guptech pdEQ->Duncan Powerstage 170->ENGL 412 or EVH212. Will be interesting to see what happens! Frankly I am very happy with how the Recto models sound on my Axe Fx Ultra, I use a HPF before the Drive on Axe FX and a PEQ after the amp, boosting a bit of 120, bruhhhh so good! McChunk!
Very impressive 👍
Impressive! Would love to hear it into a Power Station.
The Fryette power amp?
Might be a little too dark.
@@KohleAudioKult Actually I mean the amp and attenuator. You can run power amp output into the attenuator for silent recording with real power amp tone/feel. They didn't even realize that when they designed it 🤗
@@KohleAudioKult there is a presence and depth knob on the Powerstation - i`ll give it a try ;-)
EXCELLENT...Thanks.
Using Polytune and ditto for a long time, but this pedal makes me being a big fan of TC Electronic. The price is just right.
Impressive indeed, very intelligent comments.
Ahhh the bummer is it doesn't have the presence knob. I like to do the presence all the way up and the treble all the way down on the organge channel in vintage mode with a TS in front and a 10 band in the loop with some fizz rolled off. But, pretty cool!
But it doesn’t emulate the orange channel in vintage mode anyway which is a very different thing altogether.
I have the mooer Cali dual running through the return of a DSL100HR and while I don’t know how it compares to the real thing, it sounds and feels killer.
I just ordered this one to put through the return of my TSL100 so this should be interesting.
Your comparison sounds very very close.
Which pedal do you prefer?
@@LTDJesse they’re both nice and while the wreck seems to have a couple more features, I’ll probably go with the Mooer since it’s smaller but gets you to the same place sound wise imo.
I think it’s just a matter of wether or not the individual will get any use or not out of the boost and presence features on the wreck. I use a seperate overdrive as a boost with both pedals as we would with the real thing so the extra features on the wreck don’t mean much to me personally. Both work well though.
@@someonehadtosayit2566 Thanks for the fast response and advice, it helped a lot 🤘
¿I should put this before my preamp cab pedal or in the effects loop of the preamp?
So very close! excellent video
Hey Kristian, great review, great pedal! But would have been nice to see how close to the Dual Rectifier the D-Moll can get. The D-Moll is pretty versatile, not just mid forward. With channel 3, mid cut enabled with nice intensity, and deep and presence dialed in, the D-Moll steps into Rectifier territory. And the D-Moll does not need a Tubescreamer in front of it to be tight 🙂
Oh no, you don't get it any close to a Recto.
You can get a Herbert really close. Especially with the mid cut engaged.
Das Teil klingt richtig gut🤘
Würde mal sagen, Weihnachtsgeschenk gefunden😎
Brootal X-Mas wird das! 😇
Thanks for this great video
I wanted to buy this pedal but I was very sceptical about it.
As I've written in the comments of some other video of yours, the rectifier tone comes really from the power amp as you're stating here (no negative feedback on the red channel).
Thanks I'm gonna buy it so I can use it with my solid state power amp
Maybe with some eq I can recreate the curve impedance of a tube power amp and finally leave my real rectifier at home
I hope that’s gonna work!
I kinda missed to play it through my Seymour Duncan class D amp.
can't wait for the jcm !
It's already out!
the video ? @@KohleAudioKult
Wampler did the Triple Wreck first years ago... That was pretty good. But this sounds good too...
Sounds great!
I recently sold my Dual Rect cos I wasn't using it (and needed the money) Looking for a good quiet home recording alternative that doesn't break the bank. Very timely video for me, haha
I was thinking different rectifiers sound different and then you said so at the end haha
It’s seriously close!!! I think TC is going to sell a Ton of these!! 😮
I‘ve using an AMT R2 (Mesa Cover) in my live rig, with midi activation to slave it in to the poweramp. Sounds great for what i need. Did you try this?
Have you tried the mesa throttle box pedal? Just curious. love the channel. Thanks for the content!
I’ve never ordered a pedal so quickly just from watching a CZcams video. I’ll take a dual wreck tone over a 5150 any day. I’ll run the pedal into the power amp of my Revv Generator.
Would have been interesting to hear it thru the Dual's power stage
I thought about that.
But who needs that pedal who already owns the real thing? 🤔
@@KohleAudioKult To hear how close they really got to the real thing.
If this pedal
is too much for you, look at the old Ibanez Smash Box. It's REALLY close and i paid 30 buck for mine last year. It is noisier but it's also cheap enough that i don't mind taking out and about.
Hi, i'm whatching you chanel since 2020 and i noticed, that you use the Ibanez tube screamer differently than almost any person I know... you dial the volume knob to just about? 40-50% of the range. Most of the community always use settings like level at max, drive at 0 and tone somewhere around 12' o clock It would be nice to see a video about different boosts to an amplifier, and different approaches to use some sort of an overdrive pedal to make different distortion characters from the same amp. Greetings from poland !
Love it.. But that Diezel sounds quite good too. I love my first series Single Recto.. which that pedal reminds me of. Might have to get a pedal.
That Diezel is lovely! It's just far away from a Recto.
It would have been interesting to hear the pedal with the Rectifier power amp, I think. And then swithing just between the two preamps. The presence in the "red modern" mode of the amp is also working in the preamp. So, it would also be out of the equation an a similar situation for both preamps. The loop of the Rev F is serial. So, it would work.
I did not do that comparison for two reasons:
1.) Nobody with a real Recto would need/use the pedal like this.
2.) Like you mentioned, they have done more than just copying the pre of the Recto. They tried to implement the character of the entire amp. So why play it into another Recto?
@@KohleAudioKult You are absolutely right. Someone with a Recto wouldn't need this pedal. It might only be interesting for my nerdish brain.😅
You sure do like that natural 6th interval, Kristian. Lol.
It's alright, I like Dorian a lot too.
I think that a Rectifier is not that popular these days because of guitar tunings that most of rock and metal bands use. These days stuff like Drop A, Drop G or Drop F is common, and what producers and sound engineers do to that guitar tone is they cut the low end to get more clarity and note definition, and push the mids to make those guitars sound tighter. That's why let's say a 5150 style amp is more common in modern metal. Rectifier, on the other hand, sounds incredible with its huge low end for tunings like Drop D, Drop C or Drop B. And that also why it was popular in 2000s metalcore, nu metal or alternative metal genres.
Wow, im surprised to see someone playing a Fernandes. Ive had a vertigo X for over 20 years and i still think its a great guitar compared to everything else out there now.
That pedal sounds really great.
There’s a reason I play this guitar.
It just sounds so damn tight and aggressive for any metal rhythm guitar work.
@@KohleAudioKult yeah, I don't know what it is about those Fernandes guitars, they just cut through.
I think we got this with the tonex pedal too..
Grest video man! My Crate V33 tube amp's preamp sound is pretty average and the distortion is worse.. This into the Effects return may be exactly what i need. Question for you though, I have a dual overdrive Caline Andes with a boost, based of a Timmy OD pedal. I was wondering if this could be used in place of the TS? Definitely love that tightened up low end you get from a TS. Anyways thanks so much for the review!
This combined with a swollen pickle would probably match the low end of the original im very interested now holy 😳
Hi Chris, greetings from Leipzig! Attention - Nerd alert! The rectifier schematic that I'm familiar with (rev F afaik) switches the presence knob past the eq section, which comes *before* the fx send/return. That means, if you run any other preamp through the power amp of an rectifier *in modern mode*, that presence knob should practically be without any function. They may have changed that later, idk... can you confirm that?
And as you said: those revisions differ quite drastically design wise, so they tend to differ sound wise. put parts tolerances on top and no two amps will ever sound the same.
PS: Clausthaler Naturtrüb is king ;)
Presence sitzt im Modern Mode in der Vorstufe, wenn man dann den Einschleifweg nutzt hat es dem entsprechend keine Funktion. Dies hat sich auch später mit den neuen Versionen nie geändert.
Bei den Zweikanalern im orangen Kanal im Modern Mode hängt das Presence Poti noch in der Endstufe macht aber aufgrund der fehlenden Gegenkopplung praktisch nichts. Der eigentliche Presence Schaltungsteil in der Vorstufe ist in diesem Mode fixiert.
Bei den späteren Dreikanalern wurde dieser ursprüngliche "Bug" bewusst übernommen.
Im Red Modern lässt sich hier Presence wie gewohnt in der Vorstufe einstellen. Beim orangen Kanal in Modern hängt Presence dann wieder tot in der Endstufe und macht praktisch nichts.
Bei Roadster und Roadking wurde die Schaltung dann geändert und Presence hängt beim Modern Mode sowohl bei CH3, als auch CH4 in der Vorstufe. Jedoch nutzt CH3 ein 10k Poti und CH4 ein 100k Poti. Dadurch ist der Einstellbereich von CH3 sehr stark eingegrenzt. Die 10k sind besser auf Raw und Vintage abgestimmt 100k besser auf Modern.
Bei den Multiwatts wurde aus diesem Grund ein doppeltes Poti mit zwei verschiedenen Werten verbaut. Dadurch wurden die ganzen Probleme aus der Welt geschafft. Jedoch wird bei diesem Modell für den Modern Mode beim orangen Kanal auch der Treble Kondensator in der Klangregelung von 500 auf 680pF angehoben (beim roten Kanal sind 680pF immer standard). Dadurch erhält man letztendlich zwei "rote" Modern Channels verliert jedoch den "Orange cloned to Modern" Sound der Zweikanaler bzw. orange Modern der alten Dreikanaler.
Insgesamt herscht rund um die Presence Schaltung also relativ viel Wirrwar, jenachdem welche Version des Rectifiers es ist. Der klassische Red Modern Sound für den der Verstärker jedoch so bekannt wurde ist aber bei allen Modellen aber praktisch gleich. Entgegen der üblichen Darstellungen im Internet wurde dieser Schaltungsteil auch praktisch kaum seit der Einführung mehr verändert. Die unterschiedlichen Revisionen beruhen viel mehr auf Layoutänderungen und Bug-Fixes seitens Mesa. Die Layoutänderungen beeinflussen jedoch teils gewollt/teils nicht gewollt den Klang der Modelle. Die Behauptungen, das Mesa die Modelle mittels der Revisionen aktiv "gevoiced" hätte stimmt nicht wirklich.
That TC Dual Wreck is VERY close.
I have an ancient Maxon OD-808 overdrive that I bought in Japan back in 1980. Maxon made the inards for the original Tube Screamers back in those days. So I wonder if it would work with one of these Dual Wrecks...?
Sure. The Maxons are great for tightening
This is cool. Given how different the road king is it’s making me wonder how different my single rectifier is 🤔
also given past videos where the tone is definitely change mostly by the speaker and mic position, I wonder how close it was sound if you played it through an IR made from the Duel rec + cab + mic combo you were using here?
Absolutely agree.
It’s a brilliant review/demo but turning off the built in IR then running into an audio interface with a different IR really feels like it’s missing here…. Even if it’s just to show us they haven’t picked a particularly bad IR, it’s just that you need the power amp and even a great IR doesn’t bring the power!
An IR is „just“ a frequency curve. A power amp does a lot more than just changing the frequencies. So a brighter IR would help but would not fully do the trick.
@@KohleAudioKult Yes, as well as resonance. Just not harmonics and/or compression etc. Would have been fun to see how much ‘closer’ it may have been then the stock IR
Regardless though, still a great review/demonstration as always 🤘🤘🤘
@@KohleAudioKult sure, the IR will (by the maths etc) only capture a linear, time independent representation (no compression/distortion/sag) of the underlying system, but I think illustrating this may have been really useful for a lot of people.
Okay, so I bought the dual wreck, and the Tubescreamer (TS9). Can you please share exact settings? Like, it seems you're on the clean channel with boost on? What is the status of the "pre/boost" toggle switch at the back?
we need to know where you get your beanies dude!
From a different kinds of places. I'd love to have a place where I can always order the good ones.
That's why I'll make and sell my own soon!
looking forward to that! cheers dude!! @@KohleAudioKult
Its really close. The pedal has something going on in the gain structure that sounds really... fuzzy. Like Line 6 spider fuzzy. It may be the solid state distortion, or at least that's my guess. Odd order harmonics vs even order. But as far as preamp pedals go, its the best I've heard.
The tight knob is so helpfull
Hey Kris, have you tried the Mooer 011 'Cali-Dual'? I bought one for fun a month ago and it sounds very interesting. It would be interesting if you tried it sometime too. I think I will buy this TC to try it side by side. I know there is another Russian AMT R2 that also emulates the dual rect but it is difficult to get.
Nope. Didn't even know about the Mooer. I'll have a look!
@@KohleAudioKultthey also have one based on the Mark IV
@@KohleAudioKultI have one here, which I can ship to you if you don't want to purchase it (if you're willing to take the shipping one way, Hailing from Aachen in Western Germany), then at least you can test it. Lemme know
@@PippPrissI once got absolutely wrecked with a load of Russian gangsters in Maastricht and woke up in Aachen. Beautiful place, very easy on a hurting head 😅
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The pedal with the "tight" knob all the way up sounds like it would be good as a bass distortion
I wonder how that Dual Wreck pedal would sound into the effects loop return of a JCM800 (no presence control)...?
Different compared to what I showed for sure
@KohleAudioKult well, how about the power amp in of a Boss Katana Mk2 100 watt head and Katana 212 cabinet?
Edit: I just bought one of these and I gotta say I am impressed. I plugged it into the power amp in on my Katana 100 MkII head and I can get a tone almost exactly like what you have here. Very rectifier like.
😮
An accurate poor man's rectifier.. 🤘🤘🤘
Close enough to buy one if i even switch from metal zone for gigs)))
would love if you showcase the DAE duality , just to see how you would used it
Tc Eletronics is a KILLER pedal company, everytime they nail!
By the way, i don't even like mesa boogie amps at all... THAT is the amount of respect i have for tc eletronics... 😅
Fair enough! 😜
I really Dig that Guitar Kristian... 💯🤘🍻
Me too! 😋
Wow that is a great pedal
Kristian's been NAUGHTY! We see that cold sore, buddy :)
I wonder what it would sound like with a different overdrive...? Say, an MXR EVH 5150?