Disregard historical accuracy ☑️ Break formation immediately ☑️ Throw away shields ☑️ Use the gladius with haymaker swings ☑️ Always have one of the actors dual wielding ☑️ You never disappoint Hollywood.
These men hadnt trained in years and there's no NCOs to keep them focused. It would be understandable for many to revert to base instinct once the fighting actually started. Shields are fucking heavy.
As unrealistic as this movie was, the whole plot about finding the Eagle was really good and when Marcus finally stood the eagle up on the stick and when the Roman told how brave Marcus’s father was low key about to cry
I loved this movie honestly. Especially the sequences in the village, there people who lived beyond the wall are misterious to us and the movie gave an interesting representation
The "plot" was terrible as it makes no sense whatsoever to take such risks for a standard that the rulers care NOTHING about anyway it's a "symbol" which the serfs are mobilized by nothing more .
Thats what is great about telling stories of our ancestors. The over embellished grandiose is like.. the point Have these people never once read a fairy tale or that of the Gods?
This is actually a cinematic representation of what happens in Civilization V when Rome and The Iroquois are neighbors and decide to expand towards each other.
Mr ward ... In the FINAL battle scene, the adversaries were supposedly the mythical seal people of Scotland, dating to around 120 A.D. ... Scotland's coastal villages abound in legends about selchies, or seal people... Unlike mermaids, selchies were rumored to be shape-shifters, able to shed their skins and live as humans... The inference is of course, only warriors of the spiritual world could have annihilated an invincible Roman Legion, in this case, Rome's 9th.
thats true, but they still had the 'at natureness' of the native americans, did dress kind of similarly as they did use warpaint, and also did use axes of bones and stuff like that.
When you are the only one unit who's left alive in the battle field and all you gotta do is depends on the veterans and your unit rank in Total War Rome. .3.
The whole movie is that low quality and tv sitcom recycled costumes. The wardrobe Dpt. was really amateur, done no research except in comic books, or picking up from other tv shows of the time or cheap bargains from LOTR fantasy "medieval" production, to outfit the extras hoping the Audiences would not notice or to mess with the minds of those of us knowing better of the Time Period and whole Iron Age in general, which lasted in the islands longer than continental
Most of the Roman troops who served & fought in Britain were either Germanic from the Rhine River areas or Celtic Gauls from France, with others hailing from the Spanish Peninsula. Very few were Italian, perhaps 5 percent of the Roman soldiers.
The Pict's didn't invent Samhain the Gaels of Ireland did. The Picts may have had a similar holiday but it wasn't until the Scots brought Samhain over in the 5th century that it was practiced in Scotland.
The "seal people" were shapeshifters in Scandinavian mythology... I have no idea what they have to do with north britain or why you watching a movie about them in class...
whowantsabighug no these people the movie didn't portray them to be Picts the portrayed them to be seal people almost like ghostly paranormal warriors that fought romans and could easily kill them cause they are SEAL people lmao Picts were pale Europeans with long blonde hair and war paint but not like goblin war paint.
It's so funny to see the people multiply during the scenes like come on if you plan on showing greater scale battles at least have more than 10 guys show up in the first place xD
In the past, Romans were often portrayed as the villains which is true to many extent from a Christian perspective because the most well known about the Roman Empire was how they treat the people of Judea in Palestine as documented in the Bible. But from a Roman point of view, there were lots of achievements which were worth appreciating and I think this movie highlights one of them.
I wonder...how many of these commentors actually read the book, "The Eagle of the Ninth" by Rosemary Suttcliffe...? And yes, the Romans were a bit nutty, but I'm sure there were honorable ones like Marcus Flavius Aquila. And can't we just take a minute to appreciate how well organized their army was?! I mean, really! That testudo was pretty awesome. If you don't care for Ancient Rome then don't read or watch things about it. And um, actually, in the book, these people were called "Seal People".
Why are romans fighting mohawk warriors? Why the unecessary zinging when swords are swung? Why they made a pseudo roman movie knowing the audience was 70% history buffs? WHY THEY THOUGH THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA ?
Snowee Frost nothing says internet smuglord like using autism as an insult. Those guys could be acting as picts or huns, or whatver, but looking at it you can instinctively define it as a fucking mohawk or the likes, so my point stands, regardless of what the people who amde the movie called it. Also for you that lives in some wifiless rock, there are plenty of illustrations based on roman reliefs and descriptions of the picts they fought. History exists so we don't have to travel time.
Being a Scot, this movie represents Roman expansionism, into what is now the Highlands of Scotland. The Romans built a wall, Hadrians Wall in AD 122, as an expression of the limits of the Roman empire, and to keep to the north the fierce Celtic Tribes, the Picts in particular. This movie depicts the fight to recapture a standard lost by the 9th Legion in Scotland, when this Legion was overwhelmed by the Picts and destroyed.
You forgot Antionines Wall almost to the North of Scotland, You forgot the Romans Circumnavigated the Briton Isles while the Brits didn't even own a paddle... Caesar brought 40,000 horse and foot across the channel more than once... the largest cities of Briton have Roman Foundations...and I could go on and on for days and years. But I love the Scots, the countryside and their beers!.. I've been north to Inverness. Lovely Country.
@@ianmoffat2366 but it would have lasted centuries if they saw the effort and cost worthy. We are talking about an Empire who at the same time was bringing 10 legions beyond the Tigris / Euphrates and subduing the Persian Empire, laying a camp on the shores of the Caspian sea… I think they could have went another 100 miles north in Scotland!
No evidence that the 9th legion was destroyed in Caledonia Most probably was assigned to Caesarea... it's okay to be patriotic but to discuss about real history you need facts not wishes
I remember Chris Bunch and Allen Coles joke of two Romans on hadrians wall and dealing with those bloodthirsty, angry, obscene , savage Scots going home from a nights drinking. Then an hour later having to deal with their husbands and fathers when THEY were done drinking.
People need to chill... yeah I get it can be annoying when movies based on history aren’t historically accurate. But they’re not meant to be They are movies not documentaries they’re designed to be entertaining
Roman soldiers didn't hack with the gladius (short sword)--they used it to stab into their enemy's midsection. They also wouldn't break formation and...oh never mind, just enjoy the slow-mo bloodbath.
They did hack. Just because their preferred method was stabbing doesn't mean they never hacked. They broke formation because they've been out of the game for 20 years and forgot their discipline I'd imagine.
@@YinYangLogothey were outnumbered and they got outlfanked, the picts jumped over the wall. They had no choice but to break formation and fight in a melee
The Romans fought against Celtic tribes by keeping in close formation with shields and using short thrusts of the gladius. It's really disappointing to see time and time again the directors of movies turning it into a melee, presumably because they think it's more visually exciting.
The one thing I can’t blame the Ronan’s here is the fact they didn’t have ranks of men, nor artillery or what a standard legion should have, so I can give them that one grief.
I'm with Constantine on this one. Not enough men. Even if they held formation, it would probably break relatively quick as the enemies start moving around them
not to say they actually hide their gladious behind the shilds so the enemy could not know where the strike would come, and they just put on the shields,etc etc etc, does anyone care fr history in movies?
@@Mr-Wisdomthief ridiculous. These aren't legionnaires in any meaningful way anymore. They're just men with fighting experience who haven't trained together, have no actual small unit commander, and haven't gone through even the most basic drills in years. It's absolutely realistic for the fight to break up almost immediately without someone in control and without constant training.
@@Mr-Wisdomthiefyoure a fool. They had a thin single line. And you can see the barbarians jumping over and flanking. Of course they had to devolve into a melee
When he caught the blade with his bare hand rather than let it cut his throat, that was bad ass but unrealistic. Also their formation broke up very quickly into scattered one on one battles. Hollywood jibberish for fighting, but still fun to watch.
I believe the formation broke so quickly because they were so out numbered on top of there being too few Roman soldiers to form a proper formation. they were just lined up horizontally. no one behind them. that's why formation broke
@@user-nu6vq1su4k Exactly. Putting the shield together can form a strong defense but without bodies forming a second line, It was only a matter of time before it broke. Not to mention, one of the Seal people managed to jump over the formation. Even if one were to cut him down, there is now a hole in the line and there would have been no time to reform the line.
jacob verona a hit by a heavy club will break bones and cause internal bleeding. Against hammers and clubs of sufficient weight metal armor is a curse rather than an advantage as it has almost no recoil properties and will not bend back into shape. Metal in fact makes the impact worse as it allows it to pass through at an even sharper wavelength.
+jacob verona This is just a movie (not a documentary) after all. In 'Star Wars Ep. 6' Evoks, who lived on Endor planet, were able to kill a stormtroper equipped with hi-tech armor with spears and stones. With a single shot/throw) Every kind of movie has its own flaws (I mean convention, "non-reality" conception). Trying to find the historical/physical truth/realism in such kind of movies is obviously pointless.
Lol I know this movie wasn't accurate, but I do enjoy the movie still. I like how two men from different sides can find common ground, they both were fighting for what they believed was the right thing to do.
One of the most badass two minutes... But I always wonder how can someone drowning a leader in middle of battle having many of his men around for too long with no disturbance... Strange thing to be real.
When the reform took place they took the AQUILA as main symbol of the roman legions, the AQUILA represents Rome, the Bull (And other animals) is what represents the Legions
evry legion had an eagle, the best soldier of the entire legion had one thing to do, protect the eagle of the legion, the symbol of the might of Rome. all emperors when win a war or make a peace want immediately the eagles taken or there will be not any peace.
Those shield are good if used correctly and that means in formation side by side with two other guys. In an individual combat thery are too cumbersome.
the director was clear about this, His exact words about the seal people were...... "They were a more indigenous folk than the Celts, who were from farther south ... They were probably small and dark, like the Inouit [sic], living off seals and dressed in sealskins. We are going to create a culture about which no one knows much, but which we will make as convincing as possible. We are basing it on clues gained from places like Skara Brae and the Tomb of the Eagles in Orkney, so that we will have them worshipping pagan symbols, like the seal and the eagle. The reason they have seized the emblem of the Roman eagle from the legion is because to them it [was] a sacred symbol.[5] The Seal people were not Picts
Natewatl lol the Iroquois and Mohawk we’re native AMERICANS from North America they have nothing to do wit the natives of Scotland Ireland and other countries in Europe
@@bobbyscott2123was it a straight up battle? No, it was an ambush. They werent defeated, they were ambushed and slaughtered, not a battle, a massacre. In a frontal fight rome always wins
Few of the directors are given to stage such beautiful battle scenes with the participation of the Romans, as in the first series of the Rome series, where a legionnaire breaking the formation was an unacceptable incident.
Somebody really needs to make a true movie about King David's army. Especially after him as a teenager beheading Goliath with Goliaths own sword. David was one of the greatest historical combat fighters with a short sword. David sleighed thousands of men in hand to hand combat.
Its called a Gladius. Yes, its mostly a pure thrusting weapon, agreed. But, did u even notice how few Legionaries there were? They could hold formation so it ended up an every-man-for-himself moment. Anything to survive.
cole thompson They also didn't prepare for combat by putting their Gladius FLAT on the top of the Scutum. The movie, is retarded. It could've been amazing, had they been historically accurate.
this battle would have been over in less than 10 seconds if the outnumbering barbarians had the flanking from behind but ohh well i guess realism is not its forte
+manuls23 Wow, listen to the hindsight wisdom about "realism": for tribal warriors of the time glory in battle was achieved by charging into the fray - they were not professional soldiers unlike Romans and would even go to battle in drug/-alcohol infuzed haze ('shrooms and booze can do wonders) - it's easy to talk in hindsight about things, especially when you (guess what; me neither!) don't have the mentality of Iron Age tribal warrior : /
Complaining about not flanking while professional soldiers all throw away their shields for no reason and them proceed to attack in the most stupid way possible.
the gripe I had with this movie was the fact you see the Picts with stone and bone weapons even though like the southern tribes were able to shape and work with metal and so did the Picts they had iron axes, swords and spears, I also get a hey the Picts are basically American Indians vibe which was not the case what so ever
As a director of photography, i can give you a few reasons why Roman soldiers in movies are happily slashing and hacking away with the gladius. Stabbing makes the scenes much more difficult to shoot as you have to show the blade enter the body of the enemy. That means digital sword replacement plus digital wounds. That is a lot more expensive and slows down the shooting. Plus i believe many directors think that big sword moves look a lot more cinematic than short stabs and it is a lot easier to build a choreography around dueling pairs of actors than having them fight in a tight formation. In a few years, when AI does all the VFX, that might change and we will see a lot of action shown simultaneously.
whenever ZOG portrays ancients whites you ever notice how they're always grey and ditty and raggedy? instead of clean, colourful and ornamented. also ancients were not grumpy, they celebrated warfare and relished fighting.
because the little maggot didn't wake the tribe to tell them the prisoners were escaping. i completely condone that killing. bloodline over everything.
I wonder if the game 'Pictionary' was named after the Picts because the Picts used drawings/carvings on standing stones instead of words. Even the word 'Picture' could have been named after the Picts.
I feel like most people complaining about historical inaccuracies in films clearly made for entertainment are just idiots waiting for their moment to sound outraged and educated.
I know they are auxiliaries, but the defensive stance is all wrong for Romans. It looks more like a Skildborg. I won't even comment on the opponents, because I have no idea what the he'll they're supposed to be...
It is Hollywood's attempt at portraying a shield wall, which the Romans rarely used. Fun fact, you can't effectively fight using swords in a shield wall, especially if you're dumb enough to put your swords flat ontop of your shield.
the director was clear about this, His exact words about the seal people were...... "They were a more indigenous folk than the Celts, who were from farther south ... They were probably small and dark, like the Inouit [sic], living off seals and dressed in sealskins. We are going to create a culture about which no one knows much, but which we will make as convincing as possible. We are basing it on clues gained from places like Skara Brae and the Tomb of the Eagles in Orkney, so that we will have them worshipping pagan symbols, like the seal and the eagle. The reason they have seized the emblem of the Roman eagle from the legion is because to them it [was] a sacred symbol.[5] The Seal people were not Picts
they are meant to be Caledonians (Latin: Caledones or Caledonii; Greek: Καληδώνες, Kalēdōnes), Proto-Celtic tribes from the Iron Age later known as Picts. According to Zimmer (2006), Caledonia is derived from the tribal name Caledones (or rather Calīdones), which he etymologizes as "possessing hard feet" ("alluding to standfastness or endurance", from the Proto-Celtic roots *kal- "hard" and *φēdo- "foot").
Disregard historical accuracy ☑️
Break formation immediately ☑️
Throw away shields ☑️
Use the gladius with haymaker swings ☑️
Always have one of the actors dual wielding ☑️
You never disappoint Hollywood.
But soldiers always fight better alone. Maintaining formation did very little to contribute to Rome's incredible success as an empire 🙄
@@therecoveringsaver9097 Nonsence. Roman soldiers were always trained to never break formation.
These men hadnt trained in years and there's no NCOs to keep them focused. It would be understandable for many to revert to base instinct once the fighting actually started. Shields are fucking heavy.
Also the guy dual wielding isn't Roman, he's a British slave. I say British because I don't remember what tribe they say he was from.
@@MrPatrickworthington sarcasm
the fact that he had enough time to actually drown him is incredible given how many enemies there were how quickly the romans were falling
that's a buff they get for possessing the eagle standard
You are immune from attack when performing a finisher move after a combo.
Can someone please explain to this guy that is a movie. It’s a MOVIE. Yes a “MOVIE”. Lol
Romans must of been respawning, wasn't that many lined up.
They had a refuse to break morale buff from the eagle, there were only a couple left at the end, it seems like that cause its chaos
As unrealistic as this movie was, the whole plot about finding the Eagle was really good and when Marcus finally stood the eagle up on the stick and when the Roman told how brave Marcus’s father was low key about to cry
I loved this movie honestly. Especially the sequences in the village, there people who lived beyond the wall are misterious to us and the movie gave an interesting representation
The "plot" was terrible as it makes no sense whatsoever to take such risks for a standard that the rulers care NOTHING about anyway it's a "symbol" which the serfs are mobilized by nothing more .
Thats what is great about telling stories of our ancestors. The over embellished grandiose is like.. the point
Have these people never once read a fairy tale or that of the Gods?
So you don't think that some pockets of separate cultures didn't exist in the British isles ?
I agree, as unhistorically and inaccurate this movie is, I still enjoy it.
This is actually a cinematic representation of what happens in Civilization V when Rome and The Iroquois are neighbors and decide to expand towards each other.
MAXZONE47. What a laugh I had with your comment. The best yet funny guy.
Still laughing.
Gaelic Iroquois haha
LOL
MAXZONE47 indeed
I have to say there seems to be a lot more Roman dead then I even saw in the battle line.
he probably had the garrison troops bonus equipped before the battle
This aint star wars battlefront bud.
Clan castle reinforcements
respawn
See, Jon Snow, how to hold a line when your enemy provokes you?
Who is Jon Snow ?
@@Jack_The_Ripperr a bastard's son
@@Jack_The_Ripperr 🍟🍟🍟
Lmao
Jon snow is a fictional character. The eagle at least is based on a real civilization
Category: Comedy.
Got that right
Rofl.
The movie was laughably bad 😎😎😎
Alex Hensley, Why is that?
Shmuel P because there are lots of keyboard warriors online who say everything is bad
Just saying picts and celts had swords and were not native Americans....
***** Haha 😂
Um not sure about that, swords were a rare commodity up north. If they had swords they'd be Roman Swords.
Mr ward ... In the FINAL battle scene, the adversaries were supposedly the mythical seal people of Scotland, dating to around 120 A.D. ... Scotland's coastal villages abound in legends about selchies, or seal people... Unlike mermaids, selchies were rumored to be shape-shifters, able to shed their skins and live as humans... The inference is of course, only warriors of the spiritual world could have annihilated an invincible Roman Legion, in this case, Rome's 9th.
Heimdallr That sarcasm ? ☺
thats true, but they still had the 'at natureness' of the native americans, did dress kind of similarly as they did use warpaint, and also did use axes of bones and stuff like that.
When you are the only one unit who's left alive in the battle field and all you gotta do is depends on the veterans and your unit rank in Total War Rome. .3.
The Romans look more Celtic than the Celts
that why, I like this scene. It former legionaries redemption;
The whole movie is that low quality and tv sitcom recycled costumes. The wardrobe Dpt. was really amateur, done no research except in comic books, or picking up from other tv shows of the time or cheap bargains from LOTR fantasy "medieval" production, to outfit the extras hoping the Audiences would not notice or to mess with the minds of those of us knowing better of the Time Period and whole Iron Age in general, which lasted in the islands longer than continental
@@pendragonU This film was not set in the Iron Age.
Most of the Roman troops who served & fought in Britain were either Germanic from the Rhine River areas or Celtic Gauls from France, with others hailing from the Spanish Peninsula. Very few were Italian, perhaps 5 percent of the Roman soldiers.
So the Picts were actually goblins... huh...
They also invented Halloween
The Pict's didn't invent Samhain the Gaels of Ireland did. The Picts may have had a similar holiday but it wasn't until the Scots brought Samhain over in the 5th century that it was practiced in Scotland.
They are seal people, I watched this movie in class yesterday
The "seal people" were shapeshifters in Scandinavian mythology... I have no idea what they have to do with north britain or why you watching a movie about them in class...
whowantsabighug no these people the movie didn't portray them to be Picts the portrayed them to be seal people almost like ghostly paranormal warriors that fought romans and could easily kill them cause they are SEAL people lmao Picts were pale Europeans with long blonde hair and war paint but not like goblin war paint.
It's so funny to see the people multiply during the scenes like come on if you plan on showing greater scale battles at least have more than 10 guys show up in the first place xD
This was really wonderfully filmed and the best part when when seeing the Eagle at 2:07 and the music really being inspirational.
This is how Mount And Blade should be in the next 100 - 300 years, SIMULATOR!!!
its almost harvesting season
So you mean mount and blade: war banner
Soon TM ^^
Half expected Magua to be among them
The thing I really like about this is the attitude of the legionary veterans: Just another day at the office.
“The order sir”
In the past, Romans were often portrayed as the villains which is true to many extent from a Christian perspective because the most well known about the Roman Empire was how they treat the people of Judea in Palestine as documented in the Bible. But from a Roman point of view, there were lots of achievements which were worth appreciating and I think this movie highlights one of them.
The Judean's deserved it. Constantly revolting and taking the lives of innocent people. Hadrian was a hero.
@@sheek3222dangerously based
Exactly what do you mean , Romans as villains from a Christian perspective ?
@@sheek3222 They seem to do that everywhere they go
And this is where German Flecktarn camo comes from.
Does that mean "Flecktarn" is Deutsch for "Holstein"?
From a movie that poorly represents historical peoples?
I wonder...how many of these commentors actually read the book, "The Eagle of the Ninth" by Rosemary Suttcliffe...? And yes, the Romans were a bit nutty, but I'm sure there were honorable ones like Marcus Flavius Aquila. And can't we just take a minute to appreciate how well organized their army was?! I mean, really! That testudo was pretty awesome. If you don't care for Ancient Rome then don't read or watch things about it. And um, actually, in the book, these people were called "Seal People".
romans vs indians ? wtf is that ?
+Ariadalf They arent Indians, they are picts. The Picts were native to Scotland (aka Caledonia) at the time of Roman Britannia.
+Kessler Hassenstein thats what you think? Mohawks, Sioux, Aztecs, Incas, Mayas, look it up. Indians, or Americas' First Nations were badass.
someone can define badass ?
+Jordan Fedosenko they dont look like picts to me otherwise there weapons would be iron not bones and stone
That is true, im not educated enough in this so i could be wrong.
Why are romans fighting mohawk warriors? Why the unecessary zinging when swords are swung? Why they made a pseudo roman movie knowing the audience was 70% history buffs? WHY THEY THOUGH THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA ?
read the shit above u....dingus.
Are you talking about the description that doesn't have anything on it? dingus
Romans vs Pict... they aren't Mohawks good lord lol
Snowee Frost rotflmao.....pewdiepie.....
Snowee Frost nothing says internet smuglord like using autism as an insult. Those guys could be acting as picts or huns, or whatver, but looking at it you can instinctively define it as a fucking mohawk or the likes, so my point stands, regardless of what the people who amde the movie called it.
Also for you that lives in some wifiless rock, there are plenty of illustrations based on roman reliefs and descriptions of the picts they fought. History exists so we don't have to travel time.
Being a Scot, this movie represents Roman expansionism, into what is now the Highlands of Scotland.
The Romans built a wall, Hadrians Wall in AD 122, as an expression of the limits of the Roman empire, and to keep to the north the fierce Celtic Tribes, the Picts in particular.
This movie depicts the fight to recapture a standard lost by the 9th Legion in Scotland, when this Legion was overwhelmed by the Picts and destroyed.
You forgot Antionines Wall almost to the North of Scotland, You forgot the Romans Circumnavigated the Briton Isles while the Brits didn't even own a paddle... Caesar brought 40,000 horse and foot across the channel more than once... the largest cities of Briton have Roman Foundations...and I could go on and on for days and years.
But I love the Scots, the countryside and their beers!.. I've been north to Inverness. Lovely Country.
@@canconservative8976 no it wasn't. Wall made of turf ran from the Forth to the Clyde. Only lasted a few years.
@@ianmoffat2366 but it would have lasted centuries if they saw the effort and cost worthy. We are talking about an Empire who at the same time was bringing 10 legions beyond the Tigris / Euphrates and subduing the Persian Empire, laying a camp on the shores of the Caspian sea… I think they could have went another 100 miles north in Scotland!
No evidence that the 9th legion was destroyed in Caledonia
Most probably was assigned to Caesarea... it's okay to be patriotic but to discuss about real history you need facts not wishes
I remember Chris Bunch and Allen Coles joke of two Romans on hadrians wall and dealing with those bloodthirsty, angry, obscene , savage Scots going home from a nights drinking. Then an hour later having to deal with their husbands and fathers when THEY were done drinking.
People need to chill... yeah I get it can be annoying when movies based on history aren’t historically accurate. But they’re not meant to be
They are movies not documentaries they’re designed to be entertaining
Roman soldiers didn't hack with the gladius (short sword)--they used it to stab into their enemy's midsection. They also wouldn't break formation and...oh never mind, just enjoy the slow-mo bloodbath.
They did hack. Just because their preferred method was stabbing doesn't mean they never hacked. They broke formation because they've been out of the game for 20 years and forgot their discipline I'd imagine.
@@ryanbrown4053 Nonetheless, there was comparatively next to no stabbing in this clip and lots and lots of hacking.
@@YinYangLogothey were outnumbered and they got outlfanked, the picts jumped over the wall. They had no choice but to break formation and fight in a melee
That moment the most elite fighting force the world has known decides to break formation so most of them can die like prats.
The Romans fought against Celtic tribes by keeping in close formation with shields and using short thrusts of the gladius. It's really disappointing to see time and time again the directors of movies turning it into a melee, presumably because they think it's more visually exciting.
The one thing I can’t blame the Ronan’s here is the fact they didn’t have ranks of men, nor artillery or what a standard legion should have, so I can give them that one grief.
I'm with Constantine on this one. Not enough men. Even if they held formation, it would probably break relatively quick as the enemies start moving around them
@@BLaCkKsHeEp yeah some can even jump behind them and with lack of men and the enemies outnumbeing them, formation breaking down is predictable.
@@tc-channelhobby4051 in the initial charge, one of them is seen jumping over the Roman line. The shield wall tactic is now ineffective.
any historian knows roman tactics and these were not them...shield wall must not be broken..phalanx
not to say they actually hide their gladious behind the shilds so the enemy could not know where the strike would come, and they just put on the shields,etc etc etc, does anyone care fr history in movies?
Roman Legions didn't use Phalanx. Well, they did early in their years, but they ditched it pretty quickly because it's inflexible.
mojave955 the maniple followed right?, even though the triarii kept their hoplite equipment and formation
+charles955 it was inflexible on its own but when it had cavalry and light infantry protecting it like Alexander's it was flexible.
?? Finny ???? what?
lol i like how the romans immediately broke formation and fought in duels with the picts
pure nonsense, this fight, the Romans would keep shields locked throughout the fight and never break ranks if they can help it...
@@Mr-Wisdomthief ridiculous.
These aren't legionnaires in any meaningful way anymore. They're just men with fighting experience who haven't trained together, have no actual small unit commander, and haven't gone through even the most basic drills in years.
It's absolutely realistic for the fight to break up almost immediately without someone in control and without constant training.
@@Mr-Wisdomthiefyoure a fool. They had a thin single line. And you can see the barbarians jumping over and flanking. Of course they had to devolve into a melee
1:39 when you are trying to escape the popo but you have to jump an electric fence
When he caught the blade with his bare hand rather than let it cut his throat, that was bad ass but unrealistic. Also their formation broke up very quickly into scattered one on one battles. Hollywood jibberish for fighting, but still fun to watch.
I believe the formation broke so quickly because they were so out numbered on top of there being too few Roman soldiers to form a proper formation. they were just lined up horizontally. no one behind them. that's why formation broke
@@user-nu6vq1su4k Exactly. Putting the shield together can form a strong defense but without bodies forming a second line, It was only a matter of time before it broke. Not to mention, one of the Seal people managed to jump over the formation. Even if one were to cut him down, there is now a hole in the line and there would have been no time to reform the line.
2:48 An roman legionary in an iron tunica gets killed by a fucking bone? That woudn't even hurt the man.
jacob verona ever heard of bludgeoning weapons?
jacob verona a hit by a heavy club will break bones and cause internal bleeding. Against hammers and clubs of sufficient weight metal armor is a curse rather than an advantage as it has almost no recoil properties and will not bend back into shape. Metal in fact makes the impact worse as it allows it to pass through at an even sharper wavelength.
SantomPh but then again, jacob seems like a know-it-all who smacked many men with bones to test it.
SantomPh plus its an old man
+jacob verona
This is just a movie (not a documentary) after all. In 'Star Wars Ep. 6' Evoks, who lived on Endor planet, were able to kill a stormtroper equipped with hi-tech armor with spears and stones. With a single shot/throw) Every kind of movie has its own flaws (I mean convention, "non-reality" conception). Trying to find the historical/physical truth/realism in such kind of movies is obviously pointless.
Lol I know this movie wasn't accurate, but I do enjoy the movie still. I like how two men from different sides can find common ground, they both were fighting for what they believed was the right thing to do.
One of the most badass two minutes... But I always wonder how can someone drowning a leader in middle of battle having many of his men around for too long with no disturbance... Strange thing to be real.
Some of his men doing TikTok in the back round, to busy to care.
@@huemungus1491 yeah very intelligent answer 🤔
@@RandomShorts007AP I think he's making a joke
@@awesome_barabado who? The actor who is drowning him or the one who died? 😅
Some of his taking a 2 minutes break drinking fruit punch and eating nacho dorrito chips
Technically the 9th legions symbol was a bull
Jason Pandolfi
Every legion still had an eagle.
Jason Pandolfi their FLAG was a bull. Their legion, like all the others still had an eagle.
It was based off a book in 1954, that was about an eagle so yeah
When the reform took place they took the AQUILA as main symbol of the roman legions, the AQUILA represents Rome, the Bull (And other animals) is what represents the Legions
evry legion had an eagle, the best soldier of the entire legion had one thing to do, protect the eagle of the legion, the symbol of the might of Rome.
all emperors when win a war or make a peace want immediately the eagles taken or there will be not any peace.
Marcus:Protect the eagle.
Me:Too bad he won't protect you.
This is what happens when Americans confuse their geography and think Iroquois and Italian are neighboring countries because they both start with "I".
Thanks for update.
I actually enjoyed this movie
So what if they came behind them? The Romans aren't blind! They would just make a square formation.
I found it funny with all the zulu references
Pullo,formation........PULLO,SINGLE FORMATION.....Oh fuck it!
apparently everyone on the internet is an expert historian now.
And Roman generals too apparently.
In the beginning there are like 15 Roman warrioirs. They must've got reinforcements during battle. Suddenly there are a way more.
Dad is Gaelic Irish, I understood some of what the 'seal' people said here from his gaelic language. crazy!!!!!!!!
thx u!
Why dafuq did all the romans drop their shields the second they were hit?
Those shield are good if used correctly and that means in formation side by side with two other guys. In an individual combat thery are too cumbersome.
Carrying much weight.
@@josealbertomoso9024 10 kg isn't cumbersome, especially when you consider these guys are supposed to build roads, ships, fortifications, etc.
JoseAlberto MoSo a shield and sword is still good
A sword and shield is much better than just having a sword as you can defend yourself a whole lot better than just parrying and blocking with a sword
Such a great movie.....a new classic movie in my books!
@@ExtremeShoe sarcasm maybe
Awesome 👍
317: "I ....am a goddamn CENTURION. You did not even CARRY WATER in the war that killed my pater!"
are these celts or cavemen?
Areo Hotah those painted people are Picts, the natives of southern Scotland, the people whom Hadrian built his wall to keep out.
was a joke lads, i was poking fun at how they are portrayed in this movie
the director was clear about this,
His exact words about the seal people were......
"They were a more indigenous folk than the Celts, who were from farther south ... They were probably small and dark, like the Inouit [sic], living off seals and dressed in sealskins. We are going to create a culture about which no one knows much, but which we will make as convincing as possible. We are basing it on clues gained from places like Skara Brae and the Tomb of the Eagles in Orkney, so that we will have them worshipping pagan symbols, like the seal and the eagle. The reason they have seized the emblem of the Roman eagle from the legion is because to them it [was] a sacred symbol.[5]
The Seal people were not Picts
They look more like Iroquois or Mohawk, but then I hadn't read about the full movie, which is just so much more fairy tale mischief.
Natewatl lol the Iroquois and Mohawk we’re native AMERICANS from North America they have nothing to do wit the natives of Scotland Ireland and other countries in Europe
Lol the leader lost by getting drowned in a weapons battle how embarrassing 😂
+Apollon Abaddon wtf would you know about combat , what martial arts to you train bullshit Kung fu
Callum Doyle
Kung fu isn't the only form of martial arts.
There's European martial arts too.
The leader acts soo tough and then gets drowned like a bitch
well they fought in the middle of a creek so yeah........
@@callumdoyle2200 lmao ik kids in karate wit green belts who will beat the living shit out of yu
Great movie.
Cool
As if those kids could ever dream of having a chance against battle hardened legionaries.
9th Roman legion absolutely decimated in what is now modern day Scotland 🏴
So no you are wrong
@@bobbyscott2123was it a straight up battle? No, it was an ambush. They werent defeated, they were ambushed and slaughtered, not a battle, a massacre. In a frontal fight rome always wins
Few of the directors are given to stage such beautiful battle scenes with the participation of the Romans, as in the first series of the Rome series, where a legionnaire breaking the formation was an unacceptable incident.
Get back in formation, you drunken fool!
That gorge " the devil's pulpit " is 1 mile from my house
Fantastic area for history.
Хорошие были времена...
The really sad part is the fact that the leader of the seal people slit his own son’s throat
Billy Elliott and Jhon Cale defending a banner against native americans
romans: *standing in formation with swords and shields ready*
also romans: *immediately run and standoff the first enemy they see*
I don't care how inaccurate this movie is. It'll always be one of my favorites
Such a manly and motivational movie
when the lost imperials troops find the dragonborn and forsworn kill a former forsworn son and the forsworn charge and the battle starts
I love how all the romans are huge dudes from either anglo or norse lineage hahaha.
I mean huge numbers of the roman army were germans.
An outnumbered few in a narrow pass…I think I saw this one already.
2:37 guy in the back kinda just falls over lol
How did these guys find time to shave through all of this?
Electric razors.
Somebody really needs to make a true movie about King David's army. Especially after him as a teenager beheading Goliath with Goliaths own sword. David was one of the greatest historical combat fighters with a short sword. David sleighed thousands of men in hand to hand combat.
I love when actors and extras use the gladius like a fucking spatha xD
This isn't how Roman fought. The short sword was trusted between shields.
The line broke. When that happens usually a melee ensues.
Its called a Gladius. Yes, its mostly a pure thrusting weapon, agreed. But, did u even notice how few Legionaries there were? They could hold formation so it ended up an every-man-for-himself moment. Anything to survive.
cole thompson They also didn't prepare for combat by putting their Gladius FLAT on the top of the Scutum. The movie, is retarded. It could've been amazing, had they been historically accurate.
Looked like vikings in Legionarie armour, fighting north american natives
Mr Raptor ikr fuck me lol
My favourite scene 1:38
good job
Nice.
this battle would have been over in less than 10 seconds if the outnumbering barbarians had the flanking from behind but ohh well i guess realism is not its forte
lol agree, the one that jumped over didnt do sht either like wtf
+manuls23 Wow, listen to the hindsight wisdom about "realism": for tribal warriors of the time glory in battle was achieved by charging into the fray - they were not professional soldiers unlike Romans and would even go to battle in drug/-alcohol infuzed haze ('shrooms and booze can do wonders) - it's easy to talk in hindsight about things, especially when you (guess what; me neither!) don't have the mentality of Iron Age tribal warrior : /
Complaining about not flanking while professional soldiers all throw away their shields for no reason and them proceed to attack in the most stupid way possible.
It's a movie, computer commander
T. I watch and read history channel
the gripe I had with this movie was the fact you see the Picts with stone and bone weapons even though like the southern tribes were able to shape and work with metal and so did the Picts they had iron axes, swords and spears, I also get a hey the Picts are basically American Indians vibe which was not the case what so ever
The Picts usually fought naked, covered in blue paint and smeared with mud.
Is this a deleted scene from Last of the Mohicans?
Its not, this movie is called eagle.
All of Rome will be amazed at such a victory! The day is OOOOOOURSSSSSS!
Total War? ;-)
Nice
As a director of photography, i can give you a few reasons why Roman soldiers in movies are happily slashing and hacking away with the gladius. Stabbing makes the scenes much more difficult to shoot as you have to show the blade enter the body of the enemy. That means digital sword replacement plus digital wounds. That is a lot more expensive and slows down the shooting. Plus i believe many directors think that big sword moves look a lot more cinematic than short stabs and it is a lot easier to build a choreography around dueling pairs of actors than having them fight in a tight formation. In a few years, when AI does all the VFX, that might change and we will see a lot of action shown simultaneously.
Well that Shield Wall fell apart Quick Enough!
Not a groundbreaking movie, but still enjoyable
very nice friend
The uniforms of the legionnaires here are worn out that you could have mistaken them as auxiliaries
No wonder this movie was so poorly reviewed.
This scene is SO historically inaccurate!!!
Ben Skelly , how.
Idk much about the romans
Oh this movie hurts my inner history buff
Who works out the "tactics" or the fight scenes for these movies? Or is a case of "lets pretend".
4:05 Thought the drowned dude was gonna do a jump scare, Michael Myers Halloween style.
whenever ZOG portrays ancients whites you ever notice how they're always grey and ditty and raggedy? instead of clean, colourful and ornamented. also ancients were not grumpy, they celebrated warfare and relished fighting.
Whenever a tard makes a comment, you ever notice he uses stupid phrases and acronyms like ZOG?
@Aqua Cunt No, but I do notice that everyone who uses terms like ZOG are brainless simpletons whose mothers are their sisters and lovers.
The kid lasted longer than that formation.
Попытки воспевать захваты прошлого как нечто великое...
why & how is the main villian always manages to walk thru & fight way to main protagonist ?
Oh , right - its a movie
Y did he kill the boy at the beggining
because the little maggot didn't wake the tribe to tell them the prisoners were escaping.
i completely condone that killing.
bloodline over everything.
@@user-rf2vp5sb7e exactly he picked a stranger over his goddamn race stupid ass kid
Poor kid 😭
I wonder if the game 'Pictionary' was named after the Picts because the Picts used drawings/carvings on standing stones instead of words. Even the word 'Picture' could have been named after the Picts.
It was, pict was a sort of slur from the Romans becasue they used pictures for words and had body art.
Picti, as the Roman's called this Tribe, means 'Painted or tattooed people"
@@halbarbour7340 I know
Listed as comedy ;-)
I feel like most people complaining about historical inaccuracies in films clearly made for entertainment are just idiots waiting for their moment to sound outraged and educated.
This particular movie takes an anti-historical, anti-practical dump on Legionares, therefore it can not be tolerated
is that Channing Tatum?
*Almost* had a realistic formation there. They almost had it and it fell apart the moment it actually started.
When the Iroqois covet an eagle that you own
I know they are auxiliaries, but the defensive stance is all wrong for Romans. It looks more like a Skildborg. I won't even comment on the opponents, because I have no idea what the he'll they're supposed to be...
It is Hollywood's attempt at portraying a shield wall, which the Romans rarely used. Fun fact, you can't effectively fight using swords in a shield wall, especially if you're dumb enough to put your swords flat ontop of your shield.
the director was clear about this,
His exact words about the seal people were......
"They were a more indigenous folk than the Celts, who were from farther south ... They were probably small and dark, like the Inouit [sic], living off seals and dressed in sealskins. We are going to create a culture about which no one knows much, but which we will make as convincing as possible. We are basing it on clues gained from places like Skara Brae and the Tomb of the Eagles in Orkney, so that we will have them worshipping pagan symbols, like the seal and the eagle. The reason they have seized the emblem of the Roman eagle from the legion is because to them it [was] a sacred symbol.[5]
The Seal people were not Picts
they are meant to be Caledonians (Latin: Caledones or Caledonii; Greek: Καληδώνες, Kalēdōnes), Proto-Celtic tribes from the Iron Age later known as Picts. According to Zimmer (2006), Caledonia is derived from the tribal name Caledones (or rather Calīdones), which he etymologizes as "possessing hard feet" ("alluding to standfastness or endurance", from the Proto-Celtic roots *kal- "hard" and *φēdo- "foot").