First Day with the Maschine MK3
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- I unbox, demo, and make beats from scratch with the Native Instruments Maschine MK3 to see if it can become my go-to for 2023.
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00:00 Intro
01:07 Day 1: Unboxing
02:30 Day 1: Setup
06:20 Day 1: Beatmaking
14:37 Day 2: Setup
16:07 Day 2: Beatmaking
29:04 Day 2: Final Thoughts
31:49 Outro
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For Reaper users that might try Maschine as a plugin within the DAW: Arm the track for recording to eliminate the pad latency. You don't have to set an input--apparently the hardware communicates directly with the plugin. But you need to arm the track or there's a significant amount of latency. It's kind of cool running Maschine on a track in Reaper for things like creating unique top loops within your project.
Reaper also has a bunch of actions that make recording midi/audio from maschine less painful ( like autorouting and split a midi item into many by midi channel). And you can use web interface on your phone to maintain transport controls.
The Arturia stuff has full NKS support which is why it showed up there with all the presets and whatnot, and the parameters mapped.
Nice work! I am about to bring the Maschine MK3 into my studio, as well, so this timing is perfect. Thank you
Best demonstration of The MK3 to date. Got a lot motivating tips I’ll work on tonight🎉
Thanks for the video Gabe! Super fun watching it as always... I'm looking forward for more comparisons between how you feel and how's the workflow different between your MPC, Force and the Maschine MK3.
Why a MUSIC instrument cant come packed in room treatment foam squares instead of anything else makes no sense to me. How cool would it be that we could even have custom foam squares with the LOGO of each company so folks can collect the squares and add em to their studios. Could even make em in Tetris shapes and other puzzle shapes that fit together to make goo packing but also make for cool studio treatment. , all colors, just anything but that styrofoam. And no studio is gonna be hurt by extra room treatment no?
That said Ive seen gun parts come packed in that foam, camera stuff, just not music gear ….😭😭😭😭😭
I like your thinking… I think it would be great if the packaging for these expensive pieces of hardware could be repurposed and used as sound treatment panels.
A wall full of acoustic panels, all with logos of the different gear a person owns would be kinda dope. Or really tacky. Maybe both
What a great idea.
Pack music gear in old egg boxes 😂
‘As stand alone as possible’ is an interesting approach. Well done, Gabe! I’ve been considering upgrading from my Mikro to a used MK3 so this video was super helpful 👍
Bought the PLUS. Bastard thing broke my heart; it's a German supermodel of a groovebox, but as empty.
Returned it after five mega frustrating weeks, but haven't stopped thinking about the workflow and sounds.
Bought a 2nd hand Mark iii for £290 and it's AWESOME. ❤❤
why did you return it? if you hook up the + to your pc isnt it essentially an MK3?
I have been on the fence about this one and the MPC One for a while now, but it is so hard to find reviews which show the first bits of time learning the thing current with 2023. This just sold me on the Maschine. The friction seems incomparably less than the MPC One once you have the workflow down.
I love the maschine mk3!! I find the workflow real quick!! I do tend to work mostly on the controller apart from maybe editing patterns in the software as that appears to be quicker!!
Arturia's stuff is all NKS compatible, hence all the nicely mapped macros on NI hardware (Maschine, Komplete Kontrol etc.)
Maschine's best part to me is that it exceeds even Ableton's Session view for crafting ideas. The way the Ideas (clips) work is as how it should be, to me anyway - the same one is used across the Scenes, so unless you make a copy, any change you make applies to all. I think this is by far the better default for clips that get shared across scenes, vs. Ableton's way of making everything a copy without allowing them to be edited as one unit (i.e., make a few scenes, and want to nudge a note - gotta remember to do it to all the copies of that clip across scenes...)
Maschine defnitely rewards forcing yourself to stay hands on to learn it. Changing tempo, editing already performed notes, and even things like routing / layering / bouncing are very quick once you learn how and get some practice at it. I move off of it mostly for typing labels and of course vsts.
Mikro and laptop is the best of both worlds.
To be honest I didn't even realise that you hadn't a video about maschine mk 3 on the channel yet. It's strange since I'm interested in this device, I must have forgotten to check. Inspite of some problems it seemed to me that you had fun with it, which was great to watch. As for compatibility with different plugins, I'm glad many companies makes their plugins nks compatible nowadays, so we can use them with komplete kontrol and maschine, it's so much faster. Then it depends only on the manufacturer making good mapping of parameters or at least usable macros.
i just purchased the mk3 a few weeks ago for my first “groove box” hands on workflow coming from FL studio and so far i’ve been loving it the learning curve isn’t awful so far definitely nice to see you tinker with it too
ive been recording music for about 3 years but just started making beats last month… my birthday is next month and i’m thinking of getting it. is there anything that competes with it?… don’t want to blow a bunch of money as a beginner if it’s not really worth it
@@TickleTipson275 so far i have been loving it a lot it definitely has its limitations compared to Fl studio or something but if you want something hands on and easy to get ahold of i definitely recommend
@@TickleTipson275 i find myself doing stuff i’d never think of in FL
@@Svett357 i use FL and i’m super comfortable with it. this thing links pretty seamlessly into FL? or is it just to be used by itself?
@@Svett357 and also i have spent a good amount on instrument plugins… do i get to use my own drum kits and instruments with it? or does it just come with its own instruments and that’s all u get? .. thanks for helping btw really appreciate it 🤟
Hard to believe it's been a year. I bought a used mk3 and have been tempted by the Maschine+ ever since.
I've been having fun with Maschine Mk3, since I introduced myself into music production 3 years ago and still is the only piece of gear that I haven't sold. My recommendation is to purchase Arturia V Collection + FX. By the way Massive X plug-in is a beast.
The Machine plus comes with machine 2.0 software and can act as a controller for the software which you can include all NI's and 3rd part plugins on,,,,as well as being a stand alone instrument without the need for a computer. Giving you the best of both worlds
Great vid Gabe, I have had my MK3 for a number of years now, and its takes time to learn...it really does :/ I also have the S62 Keyboard which accompanies it as well. Maschine as software is not that great.. But again you work with what you have right...
Got a MK3, then picked up a Maschine Studio dirt cheap shortly afterwards.
I have to say I prefer the workflow of the Studio.
I really wish they'd kept some of the benefits of the Maschine Studio. Although, I was pissed that it got devalued with the Mk3 for quite a while. :) But it really was the ultimate since it had buttons for everything, just needed an updated version labeled for the new features better. Not really sure why they didn't at least add a column of buttons on the right, would make almost no Shift-functions needed. The dedicated jog wheel was useful for nudging notes as well.
low-key, that beat is legit af
My advice is stick to NKS compatible plugins when using machine, the intergration is fantastic. Also, it's worth taking the time to properly import your sample collection to make it less clunky when using your own stuff. Finally, DAW intergration is absolutely amazing if you have the time/interest to look into it. I rarely use Maschine stand alone but it's the heart of my setup inside Studio One.
I did the same thing. The micro is great for its price. But I wasn't able to turn my screen off and still make a decent beat. So I got the mk3 and the m22
My MK4 “non standalone” wish list:
1. Preamp with phantom power (using TRS to XLR adaptor) and more gain.
2. Separate line input gain from mic gain.
3. Ability to use line input and mic input simultaneously.
5. User programmable macro keys.
4. An actually good audio interface would be pretty convenient.
Mikro->MK3->M+ that was my path too :)
I just bought one of these. My one gripe is that the microphone input is (a) not balanced and (b) has no phantom power (no condensors that require phantom power), (c) has not much input gain. The line inputs also have very little gain for sampling. Some synths line levels are plenty hot already but some are not. Sampling from synths, your mileage may vary, or a preamp may be required to get good results.
you don't need to look at the computer to make a tempo change! You can do that on the controller.
Doesn't the Maschine+ work as the mk3 when connected to a computer and the Maschine software?
Yes.
if the maschine plus is identical once connected but what is the point of buying a maschine + to connect it to a computer?
@@frederiqueaubailly can use it standalone plus connect to a PC for mastering etc or to use VSTs.
@@frederiqueaubailly Prepare your show at home using full computer UI, then perform your show without being tethered to a MacBook on stage. That's one use case.
@@GizzyDillespee yes but on the condition that your projects are not too large otherwise, watch out for the crash. I'm not suicidal, I prefer my mk3 and my laptop or else I have much more confidence in my MPC LIVE II. she won't let me go that's for sure!
All things considered, we like our Maschine Mk3 s, but the workflow is hard on newbs especially
Maschine is the best workflow no doubt
Good tutorial bro, just got the machine mk3 second hand, hopefully all connects well, if i have issues with the setup can I dm you please? You've pinpointed some of the issues I may come across 🙏🏻👍🏻
Im looking to upgrade from Circuit Tracks. Would the Maschine Mk3, MPC One+ or MC707 be the best option? Looking for intuitive and similar play like the tracks. I want to sequence 2-3 synths and use it like a groovebox/master of my system.
Interesting workflow on the mk3. You definitely have to make some VS videos to compare to the MPC/Force. The mk3 doesn’t seem to have as intuitive an interface. Also, that relax sound seriously needs a low pass filter!
I might at some point! That's a hell of an undertaking and I worry that I'd miss stuff or put emphasis on elements that other prospective users might not care about, but it would definitely be interesting.
Personally, I find the MK3 more intuitive as a platform, but I currently prefer the MPC for standalone. And the Force is unbeatable for what I've started calling the live-performance-to-full-song-pipeline. THAT is something that'll definitely be in a future video.
@@GabeMillerMusic awesome 👍
I think they should get rid of the audio interface and make it cheaper. I have a mikro and it’s great maybe I’ll upgrade but I feel there’s something new coming
What's your thoughts on the Maschine MK3 vs Maschine Mikro?
I still think the Mikro is great value for money, and I don't regret getting it when I did. It's definitely not as hands-on though, since it doesn't have knobs and the screen is tiny, forcing you to do more stuff on the computer. If it was all I had I could still absolutely get a ton out of it and have a great time doing so. For my purposes, since I have the space and was able to afford it, the MK3 is absolutely the choice for me, but if I was making it beats on the go a lot more or constrained in terms of budget, the Mikro would come in clutch.
Can I connect laptop+maschine mk3+RC505mk2+Akai MPK mini plus? I will need some other devices?
what's the best controller to have? I use ableton what's your go to my guy
I thought you already had a Maschine. I see that you had/have the Mikro.
You don't need to buy the software if you bought a used Maschine and didn't get a license. But you will have to open a support ticket with Native Instruments. This is mentioned in their Maschine FAQ.
I've had my eyes on this for a couple weeks now but I'm trying to figure out if you can start making beats right out of the box without hooking anything up to it
No, it has to be connected to a computer
I kind of figured that out by now but I'm still having trouble using it . I can't get past the machine production and system screen it does nothing and I'm having a hard time downloading the software @@CedricSatterfield
Already had is set up? 🤔 how?
How in the world is that second hand?
Ableton Push2 Please 🙂
I definitely want to try it at some point!
I've owned a Mk3 for a couple of years ago and recently ordered a Maschine Plus. I didn't know that the Mk3 can run off usb power!
So, having already played Maschine Plus, your take on the Mk3 is very useful and super interesting.
There's a lot to be said for making sound design decisions on the screen. I never imagined I would be doing sound design on the standalone model.
Does Maschine+ give full access to Massive, Kontakt, and FM8 parameters? Last I heard, it was sorely limited at that. They developed a simpler polysynth that you can fully edit on Maschine+, but it is nothing to write home about, at least for me.
does this work with MAC as well as PC ? probably a. stupid question as its 2024 lol
So for about 500 pounds ,, it’s basically really well suited for novice ,, is that rite ( I hate using Daw and although it’s needed for sounds in this and basic set up ). Once it’s set up it will sync with everything else be in the cupboards,, or is machine 1 better for peep na liking daws .. computer software etc ,, please thank u thank u to hoooever will might answer very important
I wouldnt say its something for someone who's a "novice".
I got my MK3 3 years ago because I wanted to be less on the computer coming from FLstudio, which I started using about 12 years ago. so yes, I would personally say that its great for someone who doesnt want to constantly be on their computer and use their mouse and keyboard to make music.
ofcourse for some things you'll have to go back to your screen, like if you use 3rd party VST's. even though Maschine attempts to assign the buttons and knobs to those on the controller..its not a great experience unless you open the VST on your computer. but this is only for when you are designing your sound.
long story short, compared to using only a DAW on a computer...the Maschine is an inspiration machine. and having actual knobs, buttons and pads to express yourself without having to look at your computer at all is amazing.
Once upon a time the Maschine was top of its game but now it’s falling way behind all others including the software and controller workflow, and please don’t get me started on the plus !!!!
Can you make a video using MK3 with android? Could be great for people that want to play outdoor but can't pay maschine+ 🤔🙏
Maybe! I think there are better options - either going with something like Koala just by itself or a more budget standalone groovebox, but I'll at least add it to the list of topics to explore.
Have you tried the MPC studio mk1? I got one and I absolutely love it. I would suggest the MPC touch too :))
Nice! I haven't, although I did cover the Studio MK2 a while back.
@@GabeMillerMusic I think it’s a great value, got mine for 100€ used. I also fell in love with the Ableton Push 1 (same price range) 😊
I genuinely love your content because I can relate to it both budget and mindset-wise.
There is 1000 ms in 1 second, how on earth would anybody be able to tell 15 ms from 8 ms. LOL only computers can not humans! Congrats on the mk3 you deserve it. I love this Maschine a lot and use it daily. Also just use a bluetooth mouse to adjust velocity on the computer if its far or just go to events and adjust them on the mk3.
you can definitely feel it, trust me. this is the same type of argument as "you dont notice a difference beyond 60 fps". the instrument where I feel this mostly is guitar. ive played guitar for over 15 years and used VST's as an amp in the last few years. recently when I hooked my guitar back into my actual amp, I instantly felt the lack of latency.
@@cyborgchimpy you are right. At the time I wasn't worried about Latency and afterwards I spent alot of time testing this matter. Indeed it makes a big difference. When I used heavy Plug-ins and exported the songs it didn't sound the same I also noticed it when I was using mpc when I hit the pad the sound wasn't coming out immediately so I looked it up and found many contributing factors after resolving them I felt right at home. I don't know how but our brains do recognize it even though on paper it's negligible.
@@MS7.7 well, you are right in the part in that we probably cant "hear" it, but there's some kind of small disconnect between you and your instrument with higher latency. just like with screens and their FPS, you cant at all see individual frames beyond 60 frames, but you can feel that its smoother somehow. especially when playing games that require twitch response.
it almost feels poetic 😆😆 I feel closer to my instruments and connect with it better without latency.
either way, good day to you!
@@cyborgchimpy absolutely I came from Samsung note 9 to iphone 14 pro max. The jump from 60hz to 120hz is like you just discovered that butter can melt. Its butter smooth. Even though I still prefer the Samsung colors by lightyears which sad for the apple brick which I'm 9 months in and I still can't stand it but have to use it. Well RIP Steve jobs.
I tend to drift away from the main subject lol. Have a good day too
I still couldn't make my mind up what's more stupid: a headphone socket at the back or a power button at the rear. Glad the new Maschine has both, so I don't have to decide.
lmaoooo. I actually don't mind the power button at the rear, but the headphone jack at the back really gets my goat. Especially now that I've been working with an Akai Force for a video... It having the headphone jack and control on the front feels luxurious in comparison.
You’re life is about to change 😊
So now basically you don't need the previous license anymore if you buy a used unit
like as the man below said, did you like look up like 'valley girls' like yet?
That was painful to watch 😂
Who would have thought you have to press load to load the sound 🤷🏾♂️
Plus you can easily set up macros for all your plugins and instruments if you don't like the default macros.
Once you learn the workflow, Maschine is super fast and much easier to achieve a proper finished song that any MPC, especially with clips allowing you to write over the scenes like the arranger in a daw.
This video kinda confirms my suspicions about this device:
- As a hybrid experience, it falls short of the mighty Ableton Live + Push 2 combination that offers not only superior software but also a better controller experience when in Session view (Arrangement view is where you use mouse and keyboard)
- As a standalone experience it falls short of the MPC platform
That's a pretty easy conclusion to make by watching video of who is unfamiliar with the hardware and software fumbling around with it and learning. The workflow is largely regarded as being more intuitive than using an MPC. Live and Push 2 could be better (I haven't tried) but they also cost more than a Maschine MK3.
@@lifer86 Unfamiliarity is exactly what exposes the stuff that isn't intuitive on a device. And it makes this video valuable. Ableton Live and Push 2 are absolutely intuitive, the MPC is not. But you can get a good standalone experience out of it. And that's something that the Maschine mk3 is simply not designed for.
Glad the video was valuable! I also do have a first day video with the MPC One from a while ago.
I prefer the MPC for standalone, but there are definitely things the Maschine ecosystem does better (like access to NI plugins, more flexible interface). It's a series of tradeoffs that I can hopefully help people navigate, but it's hard to quantify this stuff.
I'm the one who sold maschine mk3 to get push 2 and bought it back again a month later, as push 2 is nowhere near the maschine when it comes to how hands on it is. Push 2 is hella bulky and you still need at least your keyboard nearby.
@@auroranamex5886 The Push 2 has a proper hybrid workflow, meaning it was designed from the ground up to be used with a mouse and keyboard. So you probably set the wrong expectations when you bought the Push 2.
What this video shows to me though is that if you want more of a standalone production experience instead, the Maschine MK3 still falls short and you're probably better off with an MPC or even a Maschine Plus MK2 when it comes out. It's exactly this reasoning that made me buy an MPC Live 2, which btw is designed to work well with Ableton Live.
It's fast if you know what your doing, which seems you don't! You can do 95% without looking at your screen or touching your mouse, again, if you know what your doing!
I mean, that's the whole point of the "first day with new gear" format, I learn a device as I go on camera to show people what the user experience is like.
my maschine is hung up on trying to scan MASSIVE for the 5th time
why REAPER is favorite DAW
Reaper is great
@@GabeMillerMusic could you elaborate? is it a great DAW just for nonprofessional users or professionals as well, and if so how does it compare to ProTools, Auditions etc.
@@Pissarrio whatever DAW you end up getting, learning it well is your #1 priority, DAWs are 90% the same, so learning the one you pick is most important
If you cannot decide on one, just get Ableton or Cubase, they are the best ever. 😎
I bought my maschine plus about 9 months ago thinking i would be unable to tear myself away from it and making top quality music within no time at all. In reality i barely touch it. In fact, i get pissed off even looking at it, its like the fucking thing is mocking me for being such a pussy. Dont get me wrong , i love it. There is just so much to it that i find it overwhelming. As a beginner i have absolutely bit off more than i can chew. I dont learn best by watching video tutorials . Im much more at wase learning by a real person, in real time , showing me how to go about doing what i want to do, specifically, step by step . Wothout enrolling to some course , can you get people to teach beginners how to use this kind of equipment and just pay per lesson? If so any ideas what this sort thing would cost ? I would appreciate any help or ideas pls.
Took me a while to find out that it's Not a Power Cable Its just to make the Screen & Colors Brighter.. It's Bus Powered 😂 😂 😂 I was like why 😂
Yeah I'm glad I double checked that, it being bus powered makes it so much more convenient for regular use.
Gabe, you did say that it does not need to be used with a computer. I will only buy it if it is standalone because I am anti computer. Please verify that it can be standalone.
Ok, now I have watched further and you are using it as a standalone. Sorry, i am one of your 60 year old fans
Just to be clear, the Maschine MK3 does NOT work without a computer. The Maschine+ is the standalone one.
@@GabeMillerMusic Thank you, also they print that the Mikro can be used as a standalone but all CZcams people use the computer with it also. Leaning towards a Roland MC101 or Akai MPC ONE
No they don’t. The mikro doesn’t even have a reasonable screen. Who is they?
@@WarrenPostma They are Sweetwater
Would be nice if NI would employ people who don’t Prag this so abberated 😂why don’t they just employ guys like you who know it all better
I wish all young people knew where the phrase 'like' came from, in addition to how people using it were perceived (in the 80s).
If curious, just look up 'Valley Girls".... "like', that should give you a heads-up, like pretty quick.
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The thing probably has a manual.