S1E17: Used Touring Bike? Honda GoldWing vs. Yamaha Venture
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I own a Yamaha royal star venture 2008. My last Big Turing machine was a Honda GL 1800 Goldwing which I owned for two years..
The royal star venture I own right now is my third venture since 1986.
comparing my royal star venture to my GL 1800 Goldwing.
The gold wings are perfect if you fit them. They are made for people under 6 feet tall. They are a bit cramped if you’re above that. The ventures have lots and lots of legroom and come with floorboards. The owners manual on the Goldwing gives you two warnings. Use OEM parts, do not install floorboards available on the aftermarket.. i’ve heard that that causes transmission problems with the type of shift trauma the shift shaft, linkage, and shift mechanism at the shift drum go through using the floorboards
if you have transmission problems under warranty with your Goldwing, and you have floorboards on that machine, Honda will not honor the warranty. I have seen it…
I miss reverse that the gold wing head sometimes. I miss having the center stand on my Venture that the Goldwing had, I always missed that..
The Goldwing is much smoother, nothing on 2 wheels is smoother..
you can feel the Venture engine like a heartbeat. You know it’s there, it’s alive, but it does not shake or vibrate enough to annoy, it’s a pleasant throb through the seat through the handlebars..
The gold wings have a much stiffer suspension. That is what you need for sharper handling. The Venture has a soft mushy suspension. That’s what you need for a plush ride
The Goldwing does not look like a motorcycle. I don’t know what it looks like but it does not look like a motorcycle. You can’t see the engine, you can’t get at the engine to do maintenance. Changeing the air cleaner On a gold wing, is a six hour job. If you have the dealer change your air cleaner, it’s gonna cost you over $700 including parts. motorcycle labor in a Honda dealership is now over $125 an hour last time I checked..
to change the two air cleaners on the Venture, might take you half an hour using a number two Phillips screwdriver and a 10 mm socket on an extension..
The brakes on the Goldwing are better. The initial bite is much more powerful although the rear brake on the Venture is stronger than the rear brake on the Honda which I do not like because that would make it too easy to lock the rear wheel..
maintenance on the Goldwing, I can’t think of another way to put it, it is a nightmare. You can’t get at the engine at all without removing acres of plastic. To upgrade the rear shock absorber spring on my Goldwing, I had to start at the Dashboard gauges removing all the plastic there, on the inside of the fairing in front of your shins, remove the cover that looks like a gas tank, remove the seat, remove plastic side covers, remove the battery, the voltage regulator, the fuse box, the battery tray, and the gas tank which is a 7 gallon tank. Just to get at the top bolt of the rear shock to remove the shock to change the spring. That will easily be around $1000 labor at the dealer….. it took me seven hours. It’s not that it is a big difficult to figure out job. It’s just that it is about 100 little jobs, most of which is removing plastic panel after plastic panel.
another example. I can service the starter, alternator, slave cylinder, water pump, and the clutch on my venture without touching any plastic panels. It’s all right there in front of me. And all of those jobs could practically be done just using the tool kit…
anyone that has to service their clutch on their GL 1800, I will pray for you and light a candle in church for you..
Gold wings get around 33 miles per gallon, ventures get around 46 miles per gallon… I could go further on 6 gallons of gas in my tank on my Venture then I could go with 7 gallons of gas in my tank on my Goldwing..
The Goldwing does not have a petcock where they reserve position. When you run out of gas, you’re out of gas. On a venture, it has a 1 gallon reserve position on the petcock.. it is nerve-racking when you are crossing Montana or Utah and it’s been 200 miles since you got gas, and no gas stations in sight on the goldwing .. not so nerve-racking on the venture because you know you have at least 50 miles of reserve gas if you hit reserve..
overall, gold wings are perfect. They are. But I sold mine because it was so hard to do even simple maintenance. And if you don’t do your own work, you better have a good line of credit. Gold wings really don’t break down .. motorcycles, cars, trucks, they do not wear out, they are neglected to death. And gold wings are really tough to work on to do that basic maintenance. You have to marry the dealer if you do not do your own work. On the other hand. The ventures are relatively simple. Easier to work on than the old VW air cooled 40 hp bug. Venture is not as smooth in the engine department but the ride is smoother because they have air suspension, which is Stone Age really, but you cannot argue with the fact that air gives the softest ride. But that does not help handling. It makes them feel mushy compared to the Goldwing in the twisties. But you don’t buy a gold wing or a venture to go out dragging your foot pegs and hanging off and backing them into turns. That’s why you always always have to have two bikes. A big comfortable touring bike for traveling, and a sport bike for spraining the law on those twisties and for getting around in town/commuting.
riding either one of these big bikes is like driving a truck really. You have to take your time making your corners, pulling up to a stop sign, pulling away from the stop sign or the red light, you have to pay attention when you’re leaving a gas station that has a ramp that goes down to meet the street. That 6 inch drop is something you have to know how to do. If you stop halfway down with your front wheel in the street and you’re back we’ll still up on the elevated surface of the gas station, and you go to put your leg down, your legs going to be 6 inches shorter than it is on a level surface. You have to pay attention to little things like that when you’re riding around on a 900 pound motorcycle..
The gold wing because of it stiffer suspension and more compact riding compartment for the driver feels lighter on its feet. But if you’re over 6 foot tall, you’re gonna have way more legroom on the Venture. The bags on the Venture are easier to operate because they are top load, not clamshell like a suitcase. You just open the lid, throw your stuff in, and flip the lid closed on the venture.. on the gold wing bags, you have to make sure everything is in there as you slowly close the bag like you’re closing a suitcase. No big deal but just one of those little things.
to do maintenance, to have the bags off on the Venture is four screws, no wires, no self locking or key fob locking device, just a simple bag with a key lock. you can remove either saddle bag in less than a minute to do service like having a tire change
on the Goldwing, when I was trying to change the spring on my rear shock the easiest way possible. I attempted to remove the right saddlebag to get at that top bolt on the shock. The saddlebags on the Goldwing have plastic integration with the trunk and the bodywork. They have wires running through them to get to the turn signals that are built into the bags, and that wire harness I don’t know where all it goes but, it was so much of a birds nest in there and difficult to see where the hardware to remove the bag was, that I actually gave up on trying to remove the right saddle bag after about half an hour. Honda did a beautiful job integrating the turn signals into the bags and all the wires in the bags for the automatic key fob locking system but it is a nightmare to try to work around.
so in conclusion, I sold my goldwing buyer?? because it was so difficult to work with. I am a maintenance junkie. I do all my own work. And I just did not like fighting with all of that plastic on the Goldwing. The gold wing is a much more refined motorcycle, but either machine will do 200,000 miles with basic maintenance. The Venture has a nicer ride, a much roomier ride, it has adequate power, venture is not as smooth as a gold wing, but I like feeling the engine. I like to know it’s alive which it is alive. The Goldwing is an inanimate object. You just cannot relate to it, it has no personality. it’s like that object the astronauts found on the moon in the movie 2001. It’s just a big perfect object that I had no feelings for. My Venture on the other hand, has a personality. When you look at it you can see the engine, you can feel the engine. It doesn’t shake like a Harley or a Norton, but you know it’s there and it is alive, it has a heartbeat. The Goldwing does not. It is just a thing, it is just there, it does everything perfectly just like my toaster.
I gave my Goldwing two years to try to fall in love with that motorcycle that is so popular around the world. I’ve had dozens and dozens of motorcycles over the past four decades. I won’t tell you how many because you won’t believe me.. but I did not feel anything for that Goldwing and the maintenance scared me if something serious would happen like the clutch, the transmission, something that would require removing the engine. On the venture, you can get at every system with ease. You can get out the carburetors just by removing the gas tank which takes about five minutes, it took me almost 7 hours to remove the gas tank on the Goldwing when I had to remove it to get to the shock absorber. I can get to the alternator, the slave cylinder, the starter, the water pump, and the clutch on the Venture, with basic tools, and no plastic removal. That’s why I went with a venture. Not as refined, but better gas mileage, smooth ride, easy to do maintenance..
At 6', my '14 Goldwing fits me fine. The Venture is more like a Harley touring bike - feet out in front on the highway pegs, but the Goldwing is a more neutral, standard motorcycle position...knees slightly bent back.
If accurate, your Honda service department is a rip-off. The prices you quote seem to be unrealistic even though everyone knows most shops are exorbitant, but not that exorbitant.
Just out of curiosity, I was quoted less than $200 to have my air filter replaced locally, I ended up just doing it myself for $40. Later on, I was quoted approximately $1k to have the 30k mile service completed. (That's a ripoff)..... I did it myself for next to nothing using a checklist and a service manual.
Thanks for excellent report 👍
I have an 08 venture too. I tried a Valkyrie, a Valkyrie Interstate, a Goldwing, like you, could not fall in love with it. I’m on my 3rd 2nd Gen Venture. It’s an amazing bike, and as you say you can do your own maintenance. I did the Barnett clutch upgrade. A real easy bike to work on and the ride is oh so comfortable.
Thanks man really appreciate the honest review.
I owned both bikes, ironic is i had these two same bikes, midnight venture & 05 anniversary blue wing lol . Goldwing is more sport bike feel better balance at stop lights low end torque is crazy. Reverse on the wing is the cats meow! No worry picking your parking spot with the reverse. The venture is top-heavy at stop lights, but once moving, the balance of the bike is good. Wing handles cross winds with no problem. Venture on the other is not so good. you're having to lean against the wind to stay on the road. The center stand is excellent on the wing for changing tires. Venture: Do it yourself. You have to have a special bracket built to use on a cycle center lift. As for maintenance wise , venture hands down is the 🏆 winner. Everything is accessible compared to the wing. As for leg room, Venture is the winner for the rider comfort, as for my wife, she preferences the wing over the Venture, for her the goldwing has the la-z-boy ride. Both bikes. As for bad knees, etc. The wing is the winner for hands down better balance at stop lights. Reverse gear for backing up sits higher in the seat over the venture, and legs are more under you for better support - balance, etc. As for tip over, goldwing wins again. One person can lift the wing as for the Venture. You're gonna need two people to lift it way heavier than the wing. For long trips, both are winners. I done over 760 miles in one day on both bikes, with average speeds of 70-80mph all day long. With proper maintenance, both bikes can easily break 200,000 miles! The venture has less electronics, less wiring over the wing. The wing is fuel injection, while the venture is a carburetor. Never had an issue with either bike. As for the wing, if you want cb etc. You to add it to the bike unless you buy it used that the seller installed, the venture comes stock from the factory installation. The only thing I miss on the venture is the reverse gear & center stand.
Had a Royal Star and road it for 5+ years before switching to a Goldwing. Enjoyed that bike a lot but loved the power and quietness of the Goldwing and they both are reliable.
Same here
I totally liked that the trial trip was filmed with a following vehicle and not helmet cams/body cams. It gives a much better perspective on how both bikes look when being ridden on the road.
Had both, that's for starters! To be honest, Goldwing here is not a stock one! You have added a CB unit, CB antenna, backrest, front calipers cover, rear flat trunk rack, rear spoiler, trunk and saddlebags lights, highway pegs, driving lights... The Venture is more than less a stock one as I can see, it comes with a CB unit and CB antenna (Goldwing doesn't! ) stock. Bad things on a Venture: rear suspension is a piece of crap, so is the stock clutch, speakers are a paper cheap joke. After you take care of all of that and replace it with third-party ones you get a great cruiser-tourer bike. Best seat ever, I like the soft plush one, well mine was a firm "Midnight" one. The 4-cylinder V engine is kinda underpowered and it's carburated, don't forget that! Goldwing is much more powerful, has a fuel-injected 120hp-something 6-cyl boxer engine, rides like a sport luxury tourer, has a reverse plus center stand. On the bad side: front suspension is a joke until you replace it with Progressive or Traxxion Dynamic plus put on better front bearings and stiffen front forks with a brace. Always use Bridgestone or Dunlop Elite 4 tires (B's get my vote but that's personal). Make sure recall on master and slave brake cylinder has been done. If it's a 2005 or older model then radiators are still small ones and earlier models have fans wired wrong. Other than that... my vote is for a Goldwing all day long. Ride safe!
After 8 1500's and 3 1800's I wanted something not so OPB (old person bike). Bought the 2005 Yamaha venture midnight edition. Big difference. More popping from mufflers than expected but doable. At 70, riding a Goldwing is expected, no heads turn. Riding the Venture I notice almost everyone takes a look. I am sure they are thinking , if he can ride that thing, I can too. Life on 2 wheels is life. Great video guys.
That popping is a pretty easily fixable probably. The bike has an air injection pump to clean emissions and if your exhaust isn't stock and its still hooked up you're going to have popping from the cold oxygen being pumped into the exhaust. If you've got factory mufflers and its popping then theres something off a little with you're fuel mixture. I'd suggest getting the carbs synchronized and seeing if it helps. If that doesn't fix it, you can delete the air injection system all together and it wont pop at all
I ride my 1984 venture royald all the time, love that bike. Can ride forever seems like.
Degradation of electrical systems is a major problem with old bikes! If you are not handy, it can get expensive..
Good job gentlemen. Just purchased a 2007 Yamaha venture royal midnight edition. Can't believe how sweet this thing is. 25000 miles rides like new.
I have a 1996 Yamaha royal star with 86,000 plus miles on it that I am still riding I bought it 10 years ago for $1,800 dollars. This spring I bought a newer Yamaha royal star venture. its a 2006 model burgundy in color, beautiful bike that only had 12,046 miles on it price may have been a little high. They were asking $6,500 originally and I picked it up for $5,000. with all that being said I love my bikes, My brother has a 2002 Goldwing and that is a very nice riding bike it handles great but I just love the feel and ride of my Royal star. Like the video says, either bike you will not go wrong with but it does come down to personal preference. Both bikes ride and handle differently so it just depends what you like.
I own a 2007 Yamaha Royal Star tour deluxe which is basically a lower trim level of the Venture. Same engine and transmission. I love it! 50k on my bike and rock solid reliability. I've had Harley Davidsons in the past and they were never as reliable. I want to get a Venture as I'm doing longer and longer multi state rides. The problem is, I'm not so sure I want to part with my Royal Star tour deluxe. Its been a great bike, its paid for too, but I don't have room at home to store two bikes. Dilemma.
Hopefully this finds you well. If you love the Royal Star, you will never let the Venture go. If touring is becoming your thing, you will not regret it. I have owned two Ventures, 2007 (which got totaled, long story) and my 2006 Venture. I bought the '06 with 8K miles, have 118K on it now in 5 years of riding. The Venture is an outstanding bike and low on maintenance and just keep the tires replaced, you won't find a better bike.
You're gonna enjoy the extra wind protection and having the radio. Go test ride a venture and you'll see!
There’s always room for one more bike. I have 10 and my wife says no more bikes in the house🤣🤣🤣
Get another home LOL!!
No dilema. You have a great bike. Keep it. Put the money in your pocket .
Another cool thing about the 1st Gen Venture's is all the Luggage Container's have handles and Lock on, so you can take them off and carry them like a Suitcase. and the Trunk fits exactly 2 Helmet's. But I keep my Trunk off most of the time, unless I need it.
Just bought the ‘05 Royal Star for $2,900. New battery, and hit the road. Super fun. Almost kept up with my dad’s Street glide.
I remember before making my purchase, I tested the same generation GoldWing and it handled like a lighter sportbike. And it felt like "my father's bike." So I searched and bought my '07 Venture for $6500 with 3000 miles in 2013. The guy told me he bought it to ride with his wife, and once she got a Mustang convertible, she didn't want to ride with him anymore. One of the best purchases I ever made. I added the wider windshield for a while, then went with the Bagger Shield 2-in1 dual height windshield. The seat is super comfortable. Rode from MI to Tennessee on the Tail of the Dragon. Love it. And what he said is the lean position I love it. I have the driver backrest that can pivot back. I will say, the Yamaha wasn't trying to mimic or compete with the GoldWing, it was competing with the Harley Ultraglide.
Never had to do anything to her until this year, I cleaned and serviced the carbs, installed a jet kit because I had added Monster Oval pipes and K&N filters. The only thing I would like to do is get a 2018-2022 model, even though they're air-cooled. I want that TC package. So I am looking for a trade, but not in a hurry.
Some A+ cinematography!
I have a 1st Gen Venture Royal, it's an 84 that I bought for 700 Dollar's and fixed. I was going to Sell it until I road it. It's a Great Bike, Very low center of gravity cause Gas tank is under the Seat, and its Powerful. Never wanted a Touring Bike until I got on that one...
To recap, my Goldwing's clocks were all in or near the 200,000 mi range, with the exception of two. All purchased used with various miles. Love the 1800's. The Venture is a 2005 midnight edition. It has 20,000 miles. I don't see much similarity between the bikes except for the basic functions. My opinion, the GW anticipates your move. The Venture makes you earn it-I like that. So, to invest 2-3 hours, once a year to replace rear tire on the Venture, Definitely worth it.
I've owned most major brands of bikes but I became a Yamaha fan after my first one. I have owned 2 Royal Star Tour deluxe models. The one I currently have is a 1998 with 21k on it. It still runs like new and for a bigger bike it is FAST. I love this bike!
Everything Yamaha makes is killer. I own a lot of their musical instruments and I'm sure their bikes are the same. I had a YZ80 when I was a kid.
@michael b. Being a musician you can appreciate that they tune the exhaust to a concert c I believe. Not kidding!
Great review gentlemen
Love the Star line.
I have a 08 venture and love it mine is wearing out just a bit 120k on it, rear shock leaks this is a known problem and they are expensive. I would definitely get another one.
I bought my 2002 goldwing in march with 25k miles. Pretty much new. Ive put 7k miles on it since then. Best bike ive ever ridden.
I'm surprised that you never mentioned that the Yamaha is a 4 cylinder. Lot of people don't know that cause it looks like a traditional v twin unless you take the time to count the headers.
The sound the floor boards on the passenger of the yamaha is delicious
Like its made out of billet aluminum
I have a 2006 Yamaha royal star tour deluxe with 27k, I got mine for 3k and I love it! They are great bikes and if I ever do upgrade I’m keeping my Yamaha.
Both are great bikes. Changing oil/filters about the same. Changing rear tires? Not the same. Goldwing has the center stand. Pull it back on stand, take out about 4 allen screws plus plate screws, 2 cross bar bolts and 5 lug nuts and your done, about 30 minutes. The Venture? No center stand. So you have to lift the 800 lb. bike up about 18-20 inches to clear rear fender. That's no small task. Right side bin must be removed. Then brakes. Then Rt muffler. Then the axle bolt. Then axle. Plus all the spacers and washers. Doing all this hoping it doesn't tip over. Time? HOURS! Or pay a shop to replace tire $$$.
Center stand is definitely a plus.
I just lift my Wing, remove the wheel, have the new tire mounted and replace the wheel back on the bike. Five lug nuts torqued at 80 Ft lbs. Easy Peasy. I just did mine a month ago. I do use a J&S jack which will lift any bike on the market. I have a video of my Wing lifted with rear wheel off
The gold wing gets the thumbs up for ease of getting the rear wheel off. As far as taking the saddlebags off to Venture, less than two minutes each. Just for screws on each saddlebag. No wires, no cables, no bodywork tied into the rest of the bodywork..
but the Venture makes up for that by having air cleaners that can both be changed in less than a half an hour. On the Goldwing that is a $700 job now to change the air cleaner on the GL 1800. If you have your GL 1800 air filter changed every 25,000 miles which is stretching it in a Honda dealer service department. Can you keep your machine for 200,000 miles, that is eight air filter changes. The labor for just having eight air filter changes at a dealer is close to $6000 over 200,000 miles
I investigated what is involved with changing the clutch on a Goldwing, to change the clutch on a venture, might take you two hours. Wanna Goldwing, you would be lucky to have all the plastic parts that you need to have removed in two hours..
The Goldwing is a better handling, much smoother, unnecessarily over powered gas hog compared to a simple to work on, smooth riding, Yamaha royal star venture. Which one is the most sophisticated most advanced, of course the Goldwing, but which one is far easier to work on.. Yamaha royal star venture.
that’s why I sold my perfect gold wing and went back to my third Yamaha venture. Just because they have a nice roomier ride and they are easier to work on…Much much easier
@@Jodyrides …. I don’t find the GL1800 that difficult to wrench on. Granted the air filter is probably the most difficult maintenance item to do. It’s tedious and time consuming. I have only owned my first Wing for a year but I changed the filter the first month of ownership. I bought Cruiseman’s Garage step-by-step maintenance videos which paid for themselves after I did my first oil change. It took me three hours to change my filter but I meticulously took my time and labeled and organized every piece that needed to come off. Next time I can probably cut that down to an hour and a half. It looks much more difficult to do than it really is. Oil change takes 15 minutes, Final Drive fluid change, 15 minutes. My rear tire change was a no-brainer. Top off the anti-freeze, 5 minutes. And that’s about the only thing I have done to my low-mileage Wing so far.
On the flip side, I just changed all three oils on my Harley two weeks ago. I have done that dozens of times but it still takes me an hour to complete it.
I have no experience with the Yami Venture so I can’t compare as well as you can
Ive got a 99 royal star. They kept that style for a WHILE!!
Did they change anything in 06'? I thought they were the same 99 to 2018 when they redesigned them.
There is one one king 👑
The Gold Wing and everybody knows it !!
-The end
I'd love to see you guys both test ride my 88 Venture. I bought it 6 years ago with 23k miles on it and its at over 77k now. She's been through the peaks of Colorado and over Bear Tooth Pass to 17 days of rain along the gulf coast last summer. It has the amazing power plant that everyone falls in love with along with the full fairing and actually more creature features than the newer 99-13 Royal Star Ventures. Its a great compromise between ease-of-maintenance and reliability to have one of these than a newer gold wing. Both bikes are ridiculously reliable, but try to change the air filter on a goldwing.
Agree that the air filter replacement is a pain in the ass on a Wing, but once you have done it one or two times, it becomes fairly easy. It looks harder to do, than it actually is. It's just tedious and time consuming. But all-in-all, the rest of the Gold Wing maintenance items are a breeze.
I am working through this question myself, one question not answered is how much more top heavy is the Venture than the Goldwing? I hear there's a difference.
They are both great. They feel a lot different. I have had both and a Harley (which sucked compared to either of these) and my vote goes to the Goldwing. It will cost a little more, but damn, they are hard to beat for roomy bike with tons of storage and smooth as silk on the road. The Yammy is good though ! .. PS if you haven't ridden a wing they handle like a sport bike totally betraying their 1/2 ton weight ., and power to spare .. not an old man bike anymore.
Just do NOT let it tip over in the garage or you'll need half the neighborhood to help you loft her back up. 😉
@@patdennis3751 NO .. it's very easy to pick up .. check this video of how to do it. czcams.com/video/Ql2LU1SRtIY/video.html
Well let's keep it real. These bikes are built to last. They are far more dependable and reliable than that of a Harley. These bikes are built for longevity and not being "flipped " every 2 or 3 years like Harleys.
I have both bikes, both are 2004,s I myself love the Goldwing and the Yamaha is good once you get moving it's a hand full at slow speeds to top heavy.
The Yamaha is for sale has 56K miles looks and runs like new.
ive owned cruiser yamahas never again pieces of crap honda does it so much better
Super awesome video. I’m 5”5 just rode a 1989 Honda Goldwing runs like a Cadillac but I was scared is a huge bike and I tiptoe so I was prettify is heavy but so smooth and I used to have a 2005 Yamaha Royal star deluxe tour and it was so heavy too but awesome suspension and so comfortable. I have a 2023 Honda Rebel 1100 DCT
Great Comparison Review, Gentlemen!! \,,/ I'd love either, but,, definitely leaning towards the Yama as a younger Man... Love that Throttle Rumble!! :D
Out of curiosity, is the Yamaha shaft drive or a belt drive? Cause I like the look of that Yamaha, but I also love the idea of a shaft drive not a belt.
There is no comparison between these two bikes. Worlds apart. I would rather have a 300,000 mile Goldwing than a truck load of brand new Ventures. The GL1800 Wing does not have air ride. The rear suspension is adjustable. But it is hydraulic.
RSV 1999-2014 all exact same. Great bikes
I have both bikes. Needs pegs for Yamaha. What kind /brand/ size highway pegs on the Yamaha?
Will they go into the huge price variance between the two you can buy a Yamaha much cheaper than a Goldwing
I have had both. Yamaha great bike with good power and comfort ride. Better on the freeway then the wing. All metal parts but has a lame stereo system. The fairing is mounted on the handlebars which makes slow speeds a challenge. Has front and back air suspension.
Goldwing better electronics and smooth motor GlL1800 with great power. No so good on the freeway The bike is all plastic. Handles like a sport bike. Frame mounted fairing. I love both bikes they are heavy bikes.
The Yamaha Royal Star Venture was produced from 1999 thru 2013. It was styled like the Harley of course. The earliest Venture and Venture Royale produced from 1983 thru 1993 was styled like the Goldwing of that era. They have the same 98 hp V4 engine except that the 83 thru 85 had a 1200cc engine instead of a 1300cc. You guys didn't mention stuff like the Venture has carbs instead of fuel injection. I own a 1989 Yamaha Venture Royale with 6k miles on it and a 2007 Royal Star Venture with 23K miles.
Are there difference is no way you’re too ventures handle? I have an 89 as well
@@josephwhite1098 Oh yeah, completely different bikes. The early venture has an upright seating position with your feet under you and some say it is a sport tourer. The later version has a lower seat with your feet forward and more rake in the front forks, more of a cruiser. The later version may be the most comfortable bike on the road. The early version is comfy too.
I had a 1500 once and I agree I felt more you could sit in the 1500 but you sit more on top of the 1800 but I do like the power of the 1800 but not the capacity 1500 had a bigger luggage capacity.
I got a 2004 Yamaha Royal Star Venture 1300 paid $2,350 I spent $1,800. cause the guy I bought it from thought he did work on it. It's now running like a bat outta hell , with over 70 thousand miles on it. Great buy.
The Goldwind wins hands down for me. Even if you go by looks alone.
I have both bikes and they are very reliable. The Yamaha surprisingly has had less repairs than the wing. Now comparing comfort and sporty fun the wing blows away the Yamaha. I have several bikes and my favorite is the wing and second is the spyder F3.
Both are sweet. I just bought a 2004 RSV with 68,000 miles for $3500 Canadian
Both bikes are awesome to ride well worth the money
Had an ‘04 Goldwing. Great bike. Super reliable and smooth, good performance but zero personality or sound. If you don’t mind that, you’ll love the bike. If you want a bike with some character though, look elsewhere. But I disagree about sitting on top of the Wing. I never felt I was sitting on top of it. It’s a great seating position actually.
I've had a gen 1 Venture, and 2 gen 2's. Amazing bikes. I sold my 08 last spring due to a bad hip. I've since had a hip replacement and regret selling my Venture. I hope yo get another soon.
We test ride both and bought a 07 Venture
The people who are 'crazy' as you say enable you to buy cheap used ones as you did. So, don't call them crazy; instead you should say 'Thank you for buying new ones' so that we can buy used ones that are well maintained and look as if they were new.
That GW looks like it’s been sent to the Darkside 🤔 The rear wheel profile from a distance seems a lot wider. There are a lot of GW riders who have switched over and really seem to love the performance from a CT
My last ride I decided to try the Darkside…and love it..won’t buy a bike unless I can find a CT to fit it.
Would be good if the Yamaha had the stock factory exhaust, as a proper comparison.
I just bought a 07 Venture with stock exhaust. I like the quiet. This bike is a lot louder than my stock exhaust. I love the Venture, mine has a back rest for the driver.
At 9:35 you claim that the trunk on the Yamaha will fit 2 full face helmets "very well". I'd like to see that. Mine will barely fit one full face helmet and you have to be careful how you put it in or even one won't fit. How'd you get 2 into yours? Mine is an 03, yours is a 2012, is that the difference?
Love both bikes for what they are !Night and Day differences !
First GEN venture 1983 to 1993 copied the Goldwing
Second generation Royal star Venture 1999 to 2013 copied the Harley ultra classic!
My main gripe With the Royal star venture is they never fuel injected that bike up to 2013 when they stop making them !
Nice job god bless
Any Japanese bike will be reliable, if properly maintained. Before I bought my first slightly used, (26k miles), pristine 08 Wing last June, for less than a third the cost of a new GoldWing, I considered both the Yamaha Venture and the Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager (Which my bro-in-law owns). At the end of the day, I choose the GoldWing and never looked back. Yes, I still have my old (Almost classic) Harley Electra Glide which has served me well for many years, but I wanted a change. I do think I have the best of both worlds. I have the rumble and the silk. In any case, you cant go wrong with either of the two bikes in this video
Japanese bikes tend to promote reliability and dependability. They are cheaper to maintain and tend to spend more time with the owner than the shop. Harley Davidson bikes are severely overpriced and expensive to maintain. With most Harley bikers, I know it is more about the image and not the quality or reliability.
both nice bike ((BUT)) servicing anything on the goldwing is a nightmare!! To do ANY work on the GL 1500/1800 one has to spend a day stripping it down.
Oil and filter change is so easy. On goldwing that’s pretty much all is needed…
I want a royal star so bad!
Goldwing is quiet but hit that horn a couple times and it will get more attention than pipes. Scared the shit out of myself first time I hit the horn on goldwing
Don’t forget the windshield on the Goldwing is adjustable so you get a different air experience… LETSGO
personally I believe Yamaha was more going for some of the Ultra Classic market more so than the Goldwing market. much more classic styling and feel comparable to a Harley than to a Goldwing
One thing I did not like about this Goldwing is it’s lack of turn signals.
That is a Yamaha Royal Star Venture. It is different from a Yamaha Venture. It is a very good motor cycle from personal experience, but it is not a Venture.
darthbop
I just bought my third Yamaha venture today. I bought my first one in 1986. It was called a Yamaha venture royale.
my second Venture was called a royal star midnight Venture/2002
today, September 11, 2021, I just bought my third venture, it is called a Yamaha star venture, or royal star venture, I’m not sure but the key word in all three names of the ventures I have had, they all have in common they are called ventures..
but they were not the first motorcycles to have the name Venture Buyer Yamaha. Made a motorcycle with an air cooled four-cylinder shaft drive in 1978 called the XS 1100. I believe it was 1979 or 80 or 81 that they put a Windjammer style faring on that excess 11, and color matched hard saddlebags. And that was also called a venture.. it was dark dark blue. I worked at a Yamaha shop part time at that time. I built two of them out of the crate at the shop got in..
so that is four different Yamaha motorcycles with the name of Venture somewhere in their title..
no I know Yamaha stopped making the V4 Venture in 2013, then they resurrected another V twin air cooled model I think it was 2018, it is also called a venture. I’m reading in different blogs and online, that it is the nicest touring bike that nobody buys. I have not had a chance to ride one yet. dealers just don’t stock them on the floor, and you just don’t see them on the highway.
I put 138,000 miles on my 86 Yamaha venture royale, I put 48,000 miles on my 2000 to midnight Venture, I hope to increase my overall combined total to over 200,000 miles I put on Venture’s before the end of 2021
I had a Honda Gold wing for three years, GL 1800.. it was smooth, it was fast, in fact I think it was too powerful, let me change that, I think you had excessive power that you’ll never use which results in 33 miles per gallon. My Venture is going around 45 to 48 miles to the gallon. That’s understandable 1300 CC versus 1800 CC.. I just never bonded with the gold wing, and it was difficult to do basic maintenance. Everything was buried under lots of plastic. On the ventures, everything is wide open, and it has adequate power.Those are the words that Bentley and Rolls-Royce uses to describe the horsepower of their cars. They don’t give a horsepower number, they just say, adequate
@@Jodyrides the Venture Royale was a variation on the Venture. The Royal Star Venture is a trim package on the Royal Star platform. I have two Royal Stars in my garage right now, a 2008 Royal Star Venture S and and a 1999 Royal Star Boulevard. There was also the Royal Star Tour Deluxe and the basic Royal Star. There were 1100cc and 1500cc variants on the platform called the V-star and Road Star, neither of which came in the big touring package. Sometime fter 2013 Yamaha created the offshoot "Star" lineup. They moved all of their cruiser bikes under this umbrella, (think Honda and Accura). In 2018 Yamaha designed the new Venture with the big V-twin. This Is the Star Venture.
The Yamaha Venture and Venture Royal are the only Yamahas that were built as Ventures. They were designed from the ground up to be touring bikes and direct competition for the Goldwing. The venture is regarded by many to be the finest touring bike ever made.
I get your point and this is not as comprehensive a reply as I would like to make, but I am taking my Royal Star Venture S out riding today and I'm running late. 😁 Keep the rubber side down.
@@DarthBop
I guess you like the V4 engine. I’m surprised you don’t have a Vmax with the V boost.
I was selling motorcycles at a Yamaha dealership part time in the late 70s early 80s. Yamaha actually had a motorcycle using the XS 1100 engine, and they put a Windjammer type faring & hard colornatched saddlebags on it and it was called the Venture. They were deep midnight blue
they also created a full dress package for the Yamaha three cylinder XS 850 at that time..
At that same time end of 1970s early 1980s, must’ve been developing that v4 engine And creating bikes with just two cylinders but with that same technology. They had a motorcycle called a vision I think it was 1982and 1983..The 83 had a better carburetor than the 82..I believe it had single shock suspension and it was 70 degree vtwin water cooled. shaft drive..I am very much liked that bike, I almost bought one, That’s when I was hearing that the 1982 had carburetor problems but they were fixed for the 83 But - that bike was like the Venture motor basically but cut in half..
Those were the golden age of development years for all of the Japanese motorcycle companies. They were coming out with better suspensions, touring bikes completely equipped, every manufacturer had a turbo, bikes for cheap, I mean cheap. I was a salesman part time in the late 70s up until the Harley tariff ruined everything. Harley did a genius move by hiring a businessman named von bealls.. he was a Wall Street type.. he went to the president, Ronald Reagan and cried that the Japanese were dumping motorcycles here and they were going to end up losing 600 jobs at the Harley factory. So Reagan put a tariff on all imported motorcycles over 700 CC. Show rooms were deserted I know because I was a salesman. Three of the shops that I worked in over the next two years went out of business forever. 1100 shops across the country went out of business. The average number of employees in the shops was seven. That’s almost 8000 jobs directly lost to save those 600 jobs at the HD factory. all of those shops were mostly rented, so the landlords of those shops suffered. The domino effect of all of those jobs in the Japanese motorcycle shops being lost is probably many tens of thousands. A perfect example of what happens when the government gets involved & fixes things..
here is an example of how sales were before & after the harley tarrif..
one year, 1977 or 79? not sure.. yamaha sold just over 120,000 yamaha xs650s here in the usa..After the tariff, to this day, Yamaha has not sold 120,000 of the combined models added together in any year since the tariff in 1984..
that’s when the motorcycle sales extravaganza boom burst. I was selling part time, just from February to June 1 every year after work I was selling, I was making more money at my part-time job than my full-time job. That’s when the Yamaha virago‘s, and the secas were flying off the showroom floor.. A Brand New Seca 750 or a Yamaha virago 750 was $2999. After the tariff, they were $4750 overnight..
development of new models slowed to a trickle when that happened. I mean before the tariff, in 1982, I was selling Hondas. I handed out playing cards, each card had a different model available that year from Honda. That’s 52 models. I still have two packs of those cards unopened.. Honda came out with the six-cylinder CBX, the CX 500 in many versions including an interstate tour model.. they were water cooling their motocross bikes. He started to introduce ATVs. Honda was first with a three wheeler ATV with balloon tires. Suzuki is the one that put for wheels on the ATVs later..Those were the good old days.. One of the shops I worked in had 17 full-time employees. Seven full-time mechanics. One of those mechanics that work there when I was a mechanic also, was Eric Buell..He was wrenching part time while he was going to pitt engineering school.. you never saw anyone as eager to rip a brand new motorcycle apart and modify it as him. He destroyed more motorcycles over modifying them than any 2 people i know.. but that’s how you learned back in the days that there was a free lunch to be had if you did some Porting, change the airbox, try different pistons, put in the hot cam, or on the two strokes, raise the exhaust port, open the transfers up, cut the back of the piston skirt, notch the front of the piston, put an expansion chamber on, jet it for the altitude you are at which was critical, a lot of guys that race here at the 1500 foot elevation and And their bikes tuned for this elevation, they would go to Daytona in March, and seize on the second or third lap at sea level.. I know one guy that broke both ankles and both wrists at Daytona doing that, I and another guy I know broke both arms the same way. They didn’t realize there was more air which made your mixture to lean at sea level back before wonderful beautiful fuel injection.
I actually woke up in the hospital two days later in plaster after my Yamaha TZ 250 seized at well over 120 miles an hour. Because it happened in sixth gear at the end of the long straightaway at Nelson ledges, where you take that dogleg curve at the end of the straight in sixth if you have a set.. that was the first time in eight years of road racing that I actually got busted up.. up to that point, I had won 6 road racing championships, and two national championships a.m. a and WERA.. I did my own wrenching and tuning , I did everything but cylinder boring, and crankshaft rebuilding. I didn’t have the jigs or a boring machine..
Anyway coming back to earth. Is it true that the royal star, not the Venture, crankshaft does not have Counter balancers,??To give it that lumpy Harley feel , Suzuki did that with their 1500 intruder. They knew it was wrong to put both rides on a single crank pan, but the engineers lost out to the front office talking heads and they did it anyway. To give it that Harley feel
I am a retired sales manager of Yamaha -Kawasaki-Honda dealership.i would rather keep my Kawasaki ZX14R and drive my miata rather than buy a big old touring bike.But that's just me.They are great bikes just not my preference.
Is the Yamaha shaft driven or belt driven?
Shaft
Hey Jeff! I'm just starting my motorcycle training courses this summer, and I was hoping for some input. What would you recommend as a first motorcycle? I'm a complete beginner and have only ridden bicycles.
The cheapest running Honda rebel you can find. You will be trading up in a few months anyway.
I thought I would throw in some input as well. Rebel as suggested is great bike to start with. Reason being is, it is low to the ground and most people can flat their feet on the ground which increase the confidence on riding it much easier at the first time. Don't worry about power, Rebel 250 is great but 500 will deliver a much better power as well. Ride based on your comfort and do not push beyond something you have no confident yet. Slowly build up your skills and my primary advice is, practice a slow ride under 15 miles, on open parking lot, make circles, 8 figures, u-turns, left turn and right turn from stop. Remember keep the power on rear wheel all the time by maintaining the friction zone on the clutch, otherwise, the bike will drop. I learned when I was 16, rode for 8 years then stopped. continue after 33 years later, everything just fine. Once you have the skills, it stays there. Practice more and more that will bring you to another skill level. no need to speed up, control your emotion and ride when you are in good mood. Lots of patience and be careful out there on the public roads since many people don't pay attention to the bikers, just use lots of commonsense. You will be a great rider :)
Well to be honest, my very first bike is 2006 Suzuki Boulevard C50, and then my second is my humble yet best moped, a 1996 Honda Helix. Since I was nervous riding that big @$$ bike (Suzuki Boulevard), I rode the helix a lot and slowly but surely I got on the Suzuki and practiced and PRACTICED, AND GRADUALLY PRACTICED. Now I can ride my Suzuki Boulevard C50, but I still need more practice until I'm also an expert in maneurver. Thats my last to learn and I believe MOST CRUCIAL SKILL I MUST HAVE becauae it can save my life in a last minute situations!! I can't emphasize that enough!
I dont want scare you, but may you enjoy yet be sober, be vigilant. See ya on the road. Peace.
What exhaust do you have on the venture?
Look it up, I believe he has on VANCE AND HINES exhaust. The yamaha exhaust sound awfully close to mine!
It's sad that they don't make the star bikes anymore.
I have a 2002 Honda Goldwing 1800... I also have a 96 Honda Goldwing... the 96 is hands-down a better ride because of air ride suspension... my2002 is not air ride... did Honda change back to a air ride suspension in 2005...?? If not your 2005 is not air ride.... in my opinion Honda ruined the Goldwing with taking out air ride suspension
No hurry Savor. I had both a 2000 Goldwing 1500 and a 2002 Goldwing 1800 at the same time. My 1500 has 134,000 miles with Progressive Suspension. My 1800 had 22,000 with stock suspension. I sold my 1800 because the 1500 was just a better bike to ride (for me). No, I don't "ride it like I stole it" as Harley guys say (I also own a Road King and Softail Heritage Springer). Honda tried to make the Goldwing 1800 a "sports tourer", when the Goldwing is a Tourer, period. The new 2022 Goldwings are ridiculous sporty bikes, not a touring machine. Buy what you intend to ride like, not what you think you would like to ride like. Tourers are heavy couches. Sport Tourers are less comfortable and fast. I like my 1500 Couch.
Zippy, Bic, both light a smoke
Unless you have endless money or time and ability to do your own work, hands down in favor of the Yamaha. I owned a good running 1998 GL1500. The thing ran very good, but good luck finding a "compentent mechanic" to work on it. Honda wouldn't touch it. The 1500 must have miles of hoses and wires, Relays to operate other relays, etc. In short, it is a nightmare when something goes wrong. The 1800 is even worse. Don't believe me? Call a dealer and ask how much they charge to replace an air filter on one. I love Honda, but no way in Hell will I ever look at another wing. Oh, and did I mention that if you let one tip over you need a crane to lift it back up? Be very careful not to park on asphalt without a plate under the sidestand.
6 carbs is 6x the problems... Harleys have 1 carb.
Local dealer charges $180 for filter replacement on a GL1800. One hour labor and cost of filter. I did mine for $40. Just the cost of the filter, but it took me longer than an hour. It looks more difficult to do than it actually is.
@@needparalegal don't know of any goldwings with 6 carbs. Mine didn't.
@@wingandhog wait till you need tires. The issue with wings is that as they age, no shop wants to work on them. My 1500 had miles of wiring and endless hoses. Relays that triggered relays. In short it was great until it wasn't.
@@needparalegal The GL1500 Goldwing only has two carbs. Honda's Valkyrie (1997 - 2003) is based upon the GL1500, has six carbs.
Honda does not have air ride, it's electric and the radiators air flow is from the front and blows out the side, unless the fans are on...
I like both bikes. Both of these bikes would run "circles" around a Harley any day!!!!
I own a Gold Wing and a Harley. I do agree overall.
Venture is looking like an old school classic bike, Goldwing is looks like an oversized modern bike - don’t like that style for cruising. V4 engine is as well more authentic than v6 brick, it has more soul.
Yes, I have to agree as the owner of a 2007 Royal Star tour deluxe. The deal breaker for me with the Goldwing is the quietness (I have aftermarket loud pipes on my RSTD) and the leg positioning. I find the RSTD more comfortable for touring trips. The wing may have more acceleration but the Yamaha does ok, enough to get the job done.
I HAVE TEN GOLD WINGS AND ALL OF THEM HAVE TEN GOLD WINGS SET UP UNDER THEM AND SO ON
Good afternoon I own a 1985 yamaha venture royale check it out yamaha venture royale restoration Martinsville Va it been totally restored
I just picked up a 2010 Goldwing with 16,000 miles for $8,300
Killer deal! I paid $10k cash for my 08 and it had 23k miles when I bought it two years ago. It did come with a spare set of new tires, Garmin 595LM GPS and a lot of other extras.
@wingandhog sweet. I paid $8000 for my 2010 with 16K on it, I've put 6K on it since May
I've owned both and yamaha venture wins everytime, goldwing was little faster but comfort wise I'll stick to my yamaha
The guy in the hat even said it at least twice.That the Yamaha Venture is their attempt at trying to copy the Goldwing !!!
Gen 1 yes, then Yamaha went in a completely different direction with the Gen 2. Which was aimed squarely at Harley. Gen 3 Yamaha lost the plot.
Toi ste forgeron tje fantastic power the goldwing has
You are forgeting the incredible power the goldwing vas.
Yamaha venture is more closer to the HD Classic than a Goldwing
Japanese bikes will do anything another make will do and better and last forever and the only oil drip you'll see is when you change the oil. Peace.
Seriously though ? Yamaha Venture doesn't even compare to the Goldwing.
Now I am more confused
had the 1100vx virago yamaha hated the bike was heavy around round abouts side winds at 60 mph bike wouldn't sit on the road properly moving around ....then went to 09 fxd harley was ten times the bike the Yamaha was.....but now thinking the gl 1800 gold wing is for me
Goldwing is the best yamaha venture is ok
I don't want to deal with more than one fuel injector/carb so I will stick with Harley. You may consider American engineering inferior, but I like machines that are designed by actual mechanics for ease of maintenance.
You have a harley, you have maintenance. Yamaha and Honda are maintenance free
@@gregnutter4658 Really, then why did I just buy a carb rebuild kit for my Shadow?
@@needparalegal probably because you don't ride much and it set for a long time and gummed up.
@@gregnutter4658 The previous owner let it set. I just bought it.
And THATS WHY harley will never, ever measure up to Hondas, let alone a Yamaha.
I'll say this only, harley should be ashamed and a pathetic excuse for an American motorcycle. Good grief!! They're supoosed to be top American engineers!! At the top by now!! The top dogs!!!! But no, harley failed America miserably and now charging they're LOYAL customers top dollars nostalgia sake!!!! Its such a crime and such a shame!!😠😠😤😤
Ok, Mr yellow shirt said Harleys are cool and IMMEDIATELY lost all credibility.
Want! Want! Both.