Philosopher of Pessimism
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- A short clip of Bryan Magee discussing the famous pessimism of the thought of Arthur Schopenhauer in an interview with Frederick Copleston. This comes from a program on the thought of Arthur Schopenhauer in a 1987 series on the Great Philosophers.
#philosophy #schopenhauer #bryanmagee
Schopenhauer is the personification of a true philosopher. He looked at the world the way it really is.
No true Scot’s man fallacy. What is a true/real man
@@bonekolektaA "true" philosopher is one that strives for truth first and foremost, and not merely to sell socially acceptable ideas so that they can live off of them. In other words Schopenhauer was one of the few that were not charlatans spouting all kinds of nonsense just to make a buck, become famous, kiss the king's ass and so on.
He rightfully pointed out that academia was, and still is, full of such charlatans and as a result he has been quite ignored in those circles.
He also expressed himself clearly because he did have something to say, instead of hiding his vacuousness behind a wall of undechipherable, but grandiose-sounding, garbage.
Eh
In one way it can be*
@@bonekolekta🤓
Schopenhauer had a point.
Yep.
Indeed, as did the other pessimists
... yes ...
Oh, believe me, Hegel has much much more points
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius I enjoy Hegels philosophy and his political world view.
How can anyone not agree with so much of this?
Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
What about Beauty? Goodness? Love? Truth? These are real too.
Evolution discourages it.
That also exists, but only barely. @@exercisethemind
@@kasperjepsen2917barely and temporary af
Just going to leave this on repeat in the hope of reverse engineering my CZcams shorts to play nothing but Bryan Magee snippets
I hear no pessimism, only realism
Pessimism is value-laden, and implies the pessimists incorrectly perceives the situation because their emotions skewed their analysis.
Thats just what it is, but most dont want to face it and hide behind the big face called civilizacion.
This is not realism. This is pessimism to it's core. Fer reality, ye gotta see Hegel
@@CambrianAnomalocaris yepp. And plz do refer to Hegel to solve today's problems
What the F... is pessimism?
These are all stupid labels we throw at someone
Yes, he had a point, this view prompts one to look deeper !
My favourite ❤️ Philosopher
Pessimism is good tho... A pessimist will leave a bad situation, because they think it'll go worse and an optimist will never leave a bad situation, becaude they have hope that it'll go better and that it'll get good.
The philosopher of common sense.
This is hilarious. Bryan Magee at his best upon the skirted couch.
Hope is killing me Jerry!
--George Costanza
Of all the philosopher Schopenhauer has influenced me the most. He wasn't a pessimist but a realist.
"What's true is true, and the one who doubts it, is the one in denial of it, therefore making him the most dangerous of all"...SBN NataN
Schopenhauer makes Thomas Hobbes look like a starry-eyed idealist.
Well,.....he’s got a point...
Actually , the metaphysical reality he is referring to , he is automatically assuming beforehand that it has consciousness and since there's death and pain everywhere , that consciousness inclines more on to the side of malevolence . But since the advent of Darwin's theory we know that the existence of nature is an underlying scientific relying concept and there exists no emotion as long as the logic and reason for existence is satisfied . Consider this and the pessimistic view turns into nihilism as there's no meaning to a life governed by the emotionless rules of physics.
His views are consistent with analytic idealism, materialism has not dislodged his view even if nature is without a purpose
@@mattcardin1796 I do not intend to dislodge his views with materialism . Rather I am supporting it .
I mean....He's not wrong though
And we who are buffered from it, by means of our insulated lives of instant gratification, do not even see a fraction of how cruel and ugly it really is.
This is why any omni-gods that include "omni-benevolent" can be dismissed outright without further consideration.
The good stuff is just there to keep you there for the suffering.
I think he is spot on
Schopenhauer was right.
Schopenhauer has a point
Now, I need to study Schopenhauer more thoroughly and try to understand why he is call a pessimist rather than a realist .
I love his argument on the utility of religion with Clergyman friend. And ends it with the Spainish/Basque proverb: Behind the cross stands the devil! What did he know??
and he was right
Ofc not. Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius ok, since you mentioned god in your argument, no point talking to someone who cannot even distinguish between real and fake
@@barsbold274 woow, geez.... This is philosophy, son. Ye are gonna have a set of thuosands of suspectings in yer lifetime, if ye do philosophy. How can ye be so sure? Observe the nature. Observe the concept the possbility. Those would be enough to bring someone to the idea of a GOd.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius Shiver my timbers
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius but God is dead
He viewed reality as his senses dictated without the self induced delutions / distractions the vast majority needs in order to cope. Reality is the lion eating the fawn amd the eventual decay of the lion...what kind of sentient being would intentionally create such horrific suffering? There could be a coherent argument for said suffering but schop apparently wasnt buying it! His work will maintain relevance until the stars burn out.
Given the state of the world these days, Schopenhauer’s philosophy seems closer to truth than many other philosophies and religious worldviews out there
....And that was before two world wars, nazism & communism, nuclear weapons, global pandemics, the industrialization of death, biodiversity colllapse, the sixth mass extinction, climate change, and other unfolding individual to species- and planetary-level existential risks & threats ...
I've always avoided Herr Schopenhauer -- and yet his voice is undeniably important.
Communism ain't bad in itself. It is the dictators who are evil. Anyways, what ye claim aren't trve. Why? Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
He was a genius, intellectual titans the world over, from Einstein to Darwin, Tolstoy to Wittgenstein, were great admirers of his work and deliberately or not infused many of his key teachings into their own work.
@@aidanhall6679 trve, but still, Schopenhauer was wring in many points. Why? Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
Yes!
Not sure "above all philosophers," but certainly an equal of the greatest pessimists: The Gnostics (...at least, if we remove Hermetic and Valentinian optimists from the equation)
The truth is not always pleasant or easy.
He was right. World is an appealing place and human sentiment makes it more difficult to bear. Life as such must be denounced at least in some level
Here to "Having the craic"!!
The will behind nature’s representation to us is not appalling or evil according to Schopenhauer, rather it is acting according to its own endogenous desire for the arising of metacognition in a fashion that involves no self reflection. Schopenhauer can be seen as a pessimist regarding nature’s representation, but ultimately the true nature of the will behind reality is unitary, timeless and beyond suffering (since time and space are mere cognitive scaffolding), hence why our dissolution of representation in acts such as listening to music alleviates the suffering as a consequence of representation.
"Always remember - Your focus determines your reality."
He was quite right. How on earth anyone could believe in God in such circumstances I have no idea.
You can if you believe god is evil or at best indifferent. As Marcion and other early Christians did... This also explains why Schop who was an atheist, liked the Christ... Marcionites think that Christ was in opposition to the god of this world.
There are people in actual war zones right now whose faith is unshakeable. Your complaining is weak
Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
@@roberthak3695 God is not evil, by definition He cannot be. Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
@@nanashi7779 wow, such a strong statement ye got there matey, trve! I salute ye. Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him, His companions may Allah be pleased with them, Islamic philosophers and scholars, and Hegel also never lost faith.
This is actually the way Samsara is described in Buddhism or Hinduism's Maya. This being so we should strive for Enlightenment!
No. Enlightment without İslam is actually darkness.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius Islam is the repository of uncivilized and barbarian tendency. Islam destroyed civilizations which had more superior philosophy than Islam.
ha ha ha Enlightenment is not for kids and jerks, Only a single person among trillions of people can become enlightened. That's the reason why after Buddha no body ever succeeded to achieve enlightenment, because it was all predetermined. U don't have freewill to become enlightened lol
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Geniusgo find out who is ur real dad, result of Halala
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw wdym result of Halala?? The real truth is İslam. All these problems that humanity faces today are because of West's forcing their way of living and thinkin onto others.
My favorite pessimist is Cioran
Ya I like him. Another good one.👌
But pessimism ain't trve. Only the ones who don't recognise the teuth and wisdom and meaning and significance are pessimists. Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
I will take Arthur and give the points.
No. Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
Sounds a lot like Werner Herzog's worldview.
His view was not wrong though…
God's bloodlust is truly infinite to have created a world like this and, most of all, Noah's flood.
You probably haven't read Schopenhauer
@@szilveszterforgo8776 Why do you say that?
@@szilveszterforgo8776 I have read Schop. I also believe that metaphysically the god of this world is evil. Like Marcion(ites) believed.
@@roberthak3695 But the views of Schopenhauer could hardly be considered theological. He's whole system of philosophy revolves around the idea that everything in existence is one. However Marcionism is dualistic in essence and thus believes in two fundamentally different worlds.
@@szilveszterforgo8776 I know him, very well. I think about what he said regarding people who say "someone else has it worse" as an excuse to feel better Very often.
So do I...
Hey man, Uncle Artie tells it like it is.
Spoiler alert: Schopenhauer was right. Not just about this. About all of it. Everywhere. And forever.
Nietzsche>Schopenhauer
Gilles Deleuze > Nietzsche
AMEN!
A realist.
Where is the lie?
...and, he's right.
I agree.
You still have to doubt the fact that the world as whole is a miserably appalling place to live in because everything though looks but apparently so well-designed and beautiful but it is also upside down mysteriously and the more you explain it the more it becomes more complicated. This enigmatic scenario forced one to take shelter from the horrific events happening in the world. And this is why the German wiseman, Arthur Schopenhauer a pessimist philosopher.
But nothing seems wrong with his pessimistic approach to the world when you observe that everything is devouring everything and that too with no qualms of conscience. It is here that we find ourselves in the midst of a situation where ‘the law of might is right’ is fully enforced by the blind nature mercilessly as it applies elsewhere without a single exception to the contrary. And this is an open reality that is not made up of, or born of pessimism.
Here, when the philosopher does not find the answer to this truth in the rigmarole of the universe, it is but natural that he should have chosen to run for relief under the refuge of the pessimism. If we were in his place, we would all be helping ourselves with nothing else other than the pessimism?
Unless we could metaphysically enable ourselves to understand the esoteric nature of the cosmic mind, we would be better off just doing it with pessimism because it would be easier to understand the world literally as it is before us and leave it to the imagination to see what could be the metaphorical nature of the relative mind behind it all.
Nevertheless, an advance apology from the commenter is also offered if there is any doubt about the authenticity of this novice commentary on your clip seen on the social media. Can we say that the philosopher explained the realism but the critics see the realism as pessimism. Having said that, all assumptions are relative unless we have absolute certainty of what is actually true and that we cannot do because we know that it is beyond our comprehension.
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Only way to believe in the God is the Pantheism. That's the end of the story. And Pantheism is the final Truth, but it doesn't mean that we are God, of course we are creation, but Pantheism applies that God and Creation can't coexist, so Eventually he has to convert himself into the Creation, that's the end of the story, Hence there's no freewill. That's the reason why there's enormous suffering. It means Suffering was already there before the creation of this existence, it also means suffering is eternal like The God, it was there inside the Body of the God, God was suffering from someone serious psychological division for not be able to Coexist with is own creation, it means God can't create a single particle as far as he is in his original form, so only option he has is to convert himself into his own plan. Hence we are the transformed from of God, But both can't coexist. That's the end of the story
What Magee says about Schopenhauer is 100% accurate.
But Magee's tone implies disagreement.
Use Magee's tone when reading this sentence: "L. Ron Hubbard believed humans are afflicted with invisible aliens called "thetans", invisible aliens that cause the human problems".
From what I've seen of his interviewing style he doen't really take sides on the topics he discusses.
I love Schopenhauer
I regard Schopenhauer as being overly optimistic!
How?
No not really. Schopenhauerian philosophy can never understand the good. Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
@@lostinstrumentalsproject7343 he probably didn't read Schopenhauer.
Certainly the world I'm living in.
Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
@@xavierowen7144 geez, oh my Allah, I do have a lot of answers to write but I really am lazy to write them. What are we gonna do? Hegel never said that history is alsays gonna be greater. He said it in "ideal" terms. But practically, that can occur, or may not occur. Hegel didn't say that history PRACTICALLY always goes to a greater sense. The term Absolute spirit is as trve and meaningful as the term IDEA itself. Or God itself. Or direct-ness itself. Or indirect-ness itself. Or process itself. Or eternity itself. Or endful-ness itself. Or apperception itself. Schopenhauer must critisize all these others too, if he critisizes the existence of absolute spirit. Then, all the metaphysics goes away, proving that criticising any of these concepts is very wrong. Today, humans are materialistic because we baandoned religion and philosophy (metaphysics that is).
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius He criticized everything in the world, including the idea of God.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius He believed that the concept of God was a human invention designed to provide comfort and meaning in an otherwise chaotic and meaningless world. Schopenhauer argued that the universe was fundamentally irrational and that human existence was characterized by suffering and dissatisfaction. He saw religion as a form of escapism, a way for people to avoid confronting the harsh realities of life.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius Schopenhauer argued that religion provides people with a sense of comfort and security in the face of death. By believing in an afterlife or a higher power that governs the universe, people can feel that their existence has meaning and purpose beyond their mortal lives. Additionally, religious communities offer a sense of belonging and social support, which can help individuals cope with life's challenges.
At least Schopenhauer had his shopping hour
He was expressing what i feel as i read through the comments on this video..
No mental parlor tricks. Just the bleak muck.
I mean, he wasn’t wrong haha
What a simplistic way of viewing the world.
Nah it's a very real view.
When you have children though you start rationalising, you need to find ways to justify existence, because suddenly you're also responsible for it.
You can't surrender to the evidence that points to pessimism at that point, otherwise guilt would tear you apart.
It also doesn't help that your own biology fills every part of the matter of reproduction with meaning and feelings - oftentimes so much so that it makes it bearable.
But in the end, was perpetrating existence actually worth all its consequences?
Yes, Schopenhauer is a very simplicist and emotional philosopher - two things that a philosopher should never have.
@@tacitozetticci9308 naah. Ain't trve. Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius you're putting it like it's a fair 50/50, but the proportion between horror and beauty is actually something like 995 and 5, come on now.
@@tacitozetticci9308 if it'd have been the case, I assure ye, the worrld would get destroyed waaayyy far far far back.... Maybe a few millions years ago, ahahahaahah... Everything flows, with mercy. Life continues, with mercy. A person who doesn't watch a lamb giving birth, a person who doesn't watch how animals find their foods even in weird and hard places; cannot understand the term "mercy." And as fer humanity, mercy is something that the religions has taught to the humanity.
He's me frfr
Who is ye?
Western Buddha, Schopenhauer!
don't insult buddha, Buddha was only Siddhartha Gautama. And after Sidhartha Gutama no one can be Buddha ✋✋✋✋
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw cannot disagree!💯
@@hashamkhan4220 my dear friend after listening to Buddha I don't need anyone to tell me what is the truth of this existence. I'm not disregarding any other thinkers. But it's very clear that in the entire world Buddha was the first person who actually grasped the real problem of our existence. I have never seen such a logical person in the entire history of mankind. Not only he was the most authentic Philosopher ever born in the history of mankind but also he did the greatest renunciation by leaving his entire Kingdom. He suffered approximately 6 years by wandering here and there inorder to find out the reality of this existence, he became a penny less wanderer and reached at the level of death due to extreme self mortification, where he realized that he was following the Wrong path through out six years, then he discovered the middle way. Believe me no one can be like him. I'm not a Buddhist. I am born as a Muslim who loves Buddha and don't care what's written in my Religious Scriptures, because A seeker can't be a believer. So I'm a non believer. It's only due to Siddhartha Gautama I did lot of Philosophical discoveries reading life and this existence. I don't follow anyone. As once asked to Buddha to whom do u pray, he replied: " I pray to myself." It means you are your own master and you are your own savior.
@@EnSabahNur-ir5mw I love your quest for truth and would like to encourage you on this path by Nietzsche's lines for his sister, Elizabeth, he says:" Here the ways of men divide. If you wish to strive for peace of soul and happiness, then believe. But if you wish to be a disciple of truth, then inquire."
@@hashamkhan4220 thanks
Separating the duality of how you feel and what actually is ...
A buddha's occidental view. Nothing new but a hybrid Kant-Buddha's thought.
You're gonna make it bra.
The Journey of life and spiritual redemption is akin to the chaos and the tumour caused by the rearrangement of molecules necessary for the emergence of the butterfly.
It is the road PARTS take on the path to being WHOLE. 🦋
Without God, yes.
If you read Copleston's book on Schopenhauer's pessimism, he comes up with some good arguments, stemming from the correct idea that if Schopenhauer is right in sticking with Kant, Schopenhauer should have more reasonably been an agnostic rather than making the terrible will, or force, the underlying transcendent to phenomena.
Which prose of Schopenhauer is Bryan Magee referring to?
Life s sh !t. And it should be stopped .
No. Simple. We Hegelians are progressive optimists. Yes animals tear each other apart. But why? To live and to have sex and to breed. To give life to other beings. They tear, but they also show mercy to each other, to other species too. Observe the merciful acts of crocodiles, dogs, lions etc fer other species. Spiders are poisonous, but they craft artistic beauty with their webs among plants and bushes. Bees insert sticks which is painful. But they also produce honey which is one of the sweetest things. History is full of violence. Why?? To settle more liberty and more enlightenment on Earth. Allah created everything so beautiful intrinsically, so geometrically, so rationqlly... something that Schopenhauerian philosophy cannot grasp.
Invalid argument
@@Sam-_- that's just subjective
I hear what you're saying, but I'm pretty glad I was alive to visit Six Flags and ride Kingda Ka.
@@Tom-rg2ex for a few moments of joy and pleasure, then the reality that bad is always stronger than good. Even so, people should always try to minimize their issues and alleviate suffering, then good so they can also experience good but life on Earth is more bad than happiness. i wouldn't even try to compare bad & good cuz it s pretty obvious which one wins
Remember, as Nietzsche points out, that our ol’ boy played the flute everyday. “Just ask his biographer.” BG&E
Nietzsche didn't know İslam well. Only if he knew, he wouldn't find reason to be pessimist.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius I disagree he was pessimistic.
@@-Llama_95 ???????? what?????? I never said he wasn't pessimistic. On the contrary, ye can deduce from me previous sentence that I know very well that Nietzsche is a pessimist. I said, "ONLY IF he knew of İslam, he wouldn't find reasons to be pessimist." I said it because İslam solves pretty much most most most of humanity's problems (in aspects of metaphysics, science, politics, world building etc.) in really great, rational, natural and practical ways.
That was defintly not the point of Schopenhauer
people should know that Schopenhauer hated his mother, never been in love, had no children, etc. No wonder he thought that way
Yeah because it’s all about looks. People don’t care about the consequences of being shallow, they will go off looks for eternity, which just creates more suffering. He is still objectively correct on his view regardless of his personal life.
Magee often struck me as wanting to appear as if he actually knew more about the subject matter, than his guest experts. This is shown by his rather long, seemingly patronizing monologues, as if saying to his guests: "Ah, what you've just said may be so, an a base sense, but here, let me clarify it, even more." I'll doubtless be vilified for this comment, ha, ha!
I get depressed just looking at a picture of Schopenhauer with that Jive Time scowl. I mean his whole thing was; “We’re Fked to the nth degree of fuckedivity.”
This indeed made me chuckle
It's a choice.
Most of the comments are: "Life sucks because I focus on the negative or because I hate my life, therefore pessimism is 100% right and undisputed"
I'm not seeing anything beyond. I'm not discrediting Schopenhauer, I'm just not liking the comments here. They think pessimism is smarter, just based on the fact that if you can be happy that means you are stupid. That the only worthwhile emotion is negative, but I'm not seeing anything concrete here. Like what is the measurement or balance of "bad stuff" and the threshold to consider pessimism to be true, or why are even the things you consider "bad" are bad in the first place?
Sorry, I am not educated in philosophy at all, only curious.
Pessimism is true without belief in God and when blinded by pride and sin.
Measuring instruments have been used to study pessimism in terms of well-being. Most people report themselves to have higher than neutral well-being.
It’s called original sin pal
Just cuz everyone’s bitched up doesn’t mean that beauty doesn’t exist
@@jasoncullen8430 Hegel and Islam are the path forward
@@jasoncullen8430 hehe
WTF behind everything beautiful there's Suffering poor kid, go to school first
Delusion
@@anuragchowdhury2779 I was trolling. The dude who deleted his comments was being a major know it all asshole and I saw how much he hated Hegel and Islam in other comments 💀💀💀💀💀
I don’t have any major opinions on metaphysics tbh. I rlly don’t know
It's absurd to have an opinion on truth. Is like assigning a moral value to the color blue.
People who are absurdists:
No matter how much it doesn't make sence, it is what it is. Keep living life.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Such a negative view, but only one possibility. One need not, and many do not, see in such a negative way.
I don't understand why the comments here are so easily pessimistic, if feels more like projection than agreeing with the philosophy.
Yes, the suffering is real but once you get a girlfriend you don't even notice it
And then you get a wife and realize the true extent of the horror.
Supermario here is just at the initial levels... ahhahahah
Never and ever have sexuality outside marriage. It ruins societies. If people applied Islamix principles, humanity wouldn't have %75 of the problems that it is having, today
@@CrazyLinguiniLegs why? Why marriage is bad? Psychologists say that the pleasure of sexuality taken from the sexuality inside marriage is much much higher than the sexualities out of it.
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius just a joke, friend :)
And worry about yourself.
Roses grow best in cow shit. Step over it and bury it. Goo compost. Move on.
While much of this may be technically true, there is a philosophical way out of this flaccid pessimism:
All problems that are not forbidden by the laws of physics are soluble given sufficient knowledge!
Erect Optimism ftw 🍆🙌
what the f is pessimism and optimism lol now just shut the f up man. This debate is all nonsense. Go to ur bed.
Nasty minds. Those who believe in the suffering they don't take into account of the journey. Totally missing the point. #pessimistssuck
Those who deny or ignore the reality of suffering are living in a state of delusion. He argued that such individuals are either ignorant of the true nature of existence or are actively trying to avoid it. According to Schopenhauer, this denial of suffering only leads to greater pain and misery in the long run.
The only way to truly overcome suffering is to embrace it and recognize its role in shaping our lives. He believed that individuals should strive to cultivate a sense of detachment from their desires and passions, as these are often the source of much suffering. By accepting the transience and impermanence of all things, individuals can find a sense of peace and contentment even in the midst of great hardship.
@@xavierowen7144all good until you can no longer embrace suffering and break down. good luck then.
in any case, since it's all for naught, better never to have been.
if pessimism is what this proves, then the existential dilemma, through pointed sentience, from the eyebrows of the other guy, makes any pessimist become laughable in descented form, to and fro, they flop and flow, from left to right, biting intelligence, which forthwith, breaks the chains of nihilistic pessimistic notation of a persons dilemma to exist, that I must live to write this sentence.
Cartoonishly verbose mush, regardless of what academia may have lead you to believe, using more syllables doesn't lend your argument more credence.
@@dsm7014 I bet your mom fucked a caveman to prove you know how to eat shit.
Ha ha ha Buddha was the first person in the entire Existence who gave the idea of Universal suffering, U poor Westerner
As bad as the world may be, it is nothing compared to the nightmare of living in his head lmao