At least Burke had the curtesy to walk away, sure it hurt her but she was better off in the long run for it. Owen clung to her and brought her down for years until she got rid of him herself
@@eden2266 absolutely true! Burke knew that he would trap Cristina, knowing hurting her by doing that would hurt him. Walking away was the best for both of them. Owen dragged her through the mud with him, practically broke her. I absolutely dispise him.
Dude, do you even realize how well Sandra Oh acted? The part where she says "Ok. Yes. Ok. Yes. Yes. Ok?" The expression in her face and the way she just really slams the words around. They are not empty.
He married her when she was depressed! Even before that, she said she never wanted kids, stating that she would be a terrible mother. He knew what he was getting into from the beginning. You can't just say "things might change", not with someone like Cristina. He forced the marriage, the home, tried forcing her to come back to work, seems like he loves being in charge. This isn't 1965, she has equal rights and the choice. If she thinks she'd be a terrible parent, she shouldn't be forced to be one. Though she does work surprisingly well with Zola, maybe because the pressure of being a good parent vs. career isn't on her shoulders. I stick with her over him any day.
You get all my claps. Of course, she loves Zola but she doesn't feel pressed because she isn't her daughter. Also, as you said, Cristina never wanted to have kids, why the hell Owen wants to search an inexistent problem? "No one doesn't want to have babys" well, Cristina is! Don't forget that Cristina always wanted to be a cardiotoracic surgeon, and she knew that having a baby would be contradictory because she will never be take care of him good. Not that she will be a awful mother, but she loves surgery more than the idea of having a baby
+Keno31404 Because he never fully understanded Cristina. I'm not saying that Owen is wrong, obviously not. He is in all right to want a family, but he is not right to try to make Cristina something that she's not. I mean, he is shirty because Cristina doesn't want to do what HE wants. That sucks. I get him, trust me. I understand him, because he did not expected to have a wife such strong in her mind and goals. He was expecting something totally different.
This is the one fight I never understood. Owen blames Christina for killing the baby, and not wanting to try again... He knew she did not want kids, and yet he still feels that he has a right to beg her for kids, maybe try to change her mind, but you should never force your partner into something they dont want.
its her uterus and her body, he doesnt get a say and she didnt force him to do anything. he stood by her and resented her for it later. he could have ended the relationship. it should have ended before they were married when she expressed that she did not want children, he was mistaken to think she'd come around
Jadealex but he does get a say, it’s his baby too. His problem was that it was never a discussion, it was just her decision and he didn’t even get to discuss it. Meredith was right they got married to soon
You can't compromise on a baby. You either have one or you don't. There's no way to come to a mutual agreement on that. Yeah he had a vision about what his life would be like but he married her knowing FULL well she did not want to have kids. He just thought she'd change her mind, so it's not her fault he completely dismissed her opinion about not wanting kids. He seemed to be behind her, he told her he understood, he went with her to the appointment, and held her hand while it happened.
@House of Music They did talk about it, he told her he understood, and he was there for her when she had the abortion. Fact is he was upset because no amount of talking about it changed her mind. And what do you mean by "made the decision alone." She didn't have an abortion without telling him.
@House of Music no she knew Cristina didn’t want kids she pretty much said every time kids were brought up, she even said it when her teddy Callie and Owen were in the OR together
This is why I never liked Owen… he only thought of himself….but, however…. Thus makes sense for him… his ptsd. His time in the military. He just wants a normal like, with kids, and a family… HOWEVER, Christina , full stop, told him she didn’t want to have kids.
Thats why I never liked them together. Owen always wanted a baby, Cristina never wanted one. And we saw in the future episode how miserably they'd both be if they didnt get what they wanted. The best thing they could do for one another is separate and find people who could give them what each one wanted.
@House of Music She made it about herself because it was about her. He knew she didn't want kids But yet blames all of this on her Not to mention that he's selfish forcing her on something she doesn't want to do It's her body, and she is the one that will have to experience the pain of pregnancy and permanent effects it has on a person's body. There's no comprimising about the baby If she doesn't want it she won't be able to give it the love it deserves So she chose abortion.
This scene highlights the ultimate sad truth behind their relationship which began with such promise that in the end resulted in them killing each other slowly, as heart breaking as it was to see their relationship die it would have been the end of both of them if they stayed together.
@@iamravyn6878 I think she was just ready to move on. She'd spent 10 years with that character and did allot with it. Other actors on the show wished they could have gotten as much to do but instead were written off like Arizona and April.
The woman has the final say because it's her body that she is sacrificing. Yeah it's both their kid but it's her partly her kid AND all of her body so she gets the final say. BEFORE they ever got married she made it clear she never wanted kids and he said sure thinking she'd change her mind. So I understand why he's upset but he shouldn't be angry at for being the same person he married. She made no illusions about what she wanted/did not want. Also birth control fails, even used perfectly.
Andres Aguilar but still Cristina never wanted kids and it’s HER damn uterus. He knew she never wanted kids and still married her when she was depressed and had severe ptsd.
Andres Aguilar she did nothing wrong tho. At the end of the day she didn’t change he did. He knew she didn’t want kids and he married her anyway when she was depressed and at her lowest. You don’t compromise on a kid when someone in the relationship doesn’t want it bc someone is always gonna resent the child.
Andres Aguilar the “baby” wasn’t even a baby when she did it. second of all, Cristina never wanted kids. you can’t force a woman to have a child she doesn’t want. being the child of a parent(s) who doesn’t truly love u will hurt.
They had PASSION behind their chemistry, and especially in their arguments. Every fight they had, I was on the edge of my seat wondering what they were going to snipe at each other with next. Amelia and Owen barely have chemistry at all. I couldn't care less about them as a couple. They just don't compare or compete with Cristina and Owen.
@@thisnigerianlovesdrinkingg4522 you must be really stupid to think my comment was even remotely racist. Don't write such ridiculous comments just to sound cool. I am an Indian, you don't need to tell me about "racism", I face a lot of that on a daily basis myself. Can't believe you brought up racism for a comment made on a stupid youtube video.
Christina gave him an out when she told him she was going to have the abortion, he decided to stay with her and said hed support her decision. He doesn't get to throw it back in her face, especially in a cruel way, while their friends and coworkers can hear.
The look of Derek's face at 3:30 says it all. When Meredith said that since she lost Zola (a few episodes before this one) Derek didn't keep pushing her. Even the episode before this he was like "it can just be the two of us, if that's what you want."
When Meredith messed with the adoption process, they fought about it and figured if they wanted to be together with or without Zola. That’s what a marriage should be. Reaching a compromise. But Cristina and Owen didn’t talk about if they wanted to be together with or without kids even after she had the abortion
@House of Music Owen didn't get a say in the abortion. He's allowed to have feelings and an opinion but Cristina was the one who was pregnant. It's her body and she gets the final say over it.
this was sooo peak greys. this is one of my favourite scenes ever. literal edge of my seat, gasped out loud at owen’s line. and the MUSIC. so much perfection
He did, he was cruel to make Christina stand in the same OR as teddy right after Christina saw teddy’s husband die, Owen was so entitled, he felt entitled to teddy’s forgiveness and when he didn’t get it, he took Christina off of her service, the thing that pissed me off was how Christina was right telling him he can never take accountability for shit but he turns it around on her, he was so infuriating.
To anyone on Dr. Hunt's side, claiming that he should have had "a say" in the abortion: Yes, he would have a say if she lied to him, saying she wanted a kid. But the fact remains that she did inform him, loudly and clearly, that she would never want children. When they progressed as a couple, and eventually into marriage, he implicitly agreed to her stance-he should have ended the relationship if he cannot compromise, but he did not. So when Cristina got pregnant inadvertently, he did not, and should not, have a say. He forfeited that right long ago. It is his fault, and his alone, to keep projecting his ideals onto Cristina, to delude himself that she may change when she has made the contrary abundantly clear time and again, to cheat on her, and to humiliate her right there in front of esteemed friends and colleagues. The truth is Owen Hunt is a misogynist, and the worst kind at that. He is not crude or rude; he is educated and charming; he seems respectful and tolerant, but under that facade, he is just a man who holds and subjects women to what he wants. The most horrifying thing is guys like Hunt often think of themselves, and are largely regarded, as the "nice guy."
I agree that as far as the pregnancy goes Cristina has the final say on what she decides to do. But I disagree with the thought that owen is misogynistic.
I personally don't see any hope for Crowen and I don't ship them anymore. I really hoped Owen wouldn't bring it to this point but he fucked up. I get he is super upset and sad because that baby was a dream of his but when he decided to marry Cristina he knew that she was about her career, not settling down to family life. I mean what did he expect?! That she would change or that he could change her?! I love Mer's "My mother was a Cristina" speech to Owen (8x01). Perfectly sums up my feelings.
@Mrinali Saxena He did know, but it was Meredith that had to basically tell him to be supportive which pissed me off because it should have been Cristina telling him that not Meredith
I think what people need to focus on more in this argument is not what either of them did wrong but just the emotion that the actors get through. You always think of christina as not being very emotiontional but at the end when the camera is on her face It looks asif he has hit her with a bus. He shouldnt have taken it that far. to see a character we know isnt very emotional portray alot of emotion makes it 10 times more effective.
The idea that Cristina is not emotional has been disproven time and time again. She just doesn't care about things we seem to be "heartwarming" and necessary like hugging and marriage etc. but she def has emotions. Helping Izzy, Mourning George, trying to help Owen's PTSD, failed marriage, helping that little girl that one time, being there for Meredith, the shooting, the abortions and so much more. Cristina def has emotions. She's intensely loyal.
No, Cristina was doing what she did in the episode to help Teddy. That had nothing to do with "abusing" Owen. And the assertion that Cristina is abusive and unprofessional is utterly ridiculous.
@Mrinali Saxena She never wanted kids though, she made that clear, I do agree that it should have been Cristina talking to Owen to get her to support her, and not Meredith. However Cristina always made it clear that she didn't want to be a mother and not want kids. If Owen wanted to have kids, he should have broken up with her. It's not Cristina's fault that she didn't manage his expeditiations on his fantasy of being a father.
I knew their relationship was doomed because they got married only after the shooting and then Owen wanted kids, it was eventually going to fall flat. I always noticed that Cristina always got the things she wanted out of everyone.
Shady Tyrell Christina!?!? i hope you now she got NOTHING out of this relatiomship because it ended in divorce. If a couple ends in divorce that means you got nothing out of it, unless they have a kid. and in this case they didnt. Dont hate the players (Christina and Owen) hate the game (Grey's Anatomy/ Shonda Rhimes) If you are going to think that shit dont even comment it. Owen was of course out of line, saying she killed the baby when it was totally not her fault. But i still love both Christina and Owen
Emma Valentich Just because a relationship ended in divorce they didn't get anything out of it? What kind of one-track thinking is that? I don't really know what you're trying to say tbh. Owen and Christina loved each other and still do but their relationship was never going to be long term. They're still friends and they love and memories is always a plus. It's not like it was a messy divorce. Owen had a major deal breaker and that was kids and Christina had a major deal breaker, her job comes first. I don't see what the issue with me saying that is.
Shady Tyrell Yes but if you actually watch Grey's you would know that Christina told Owen she didnt want kids BEFORE they got married. And them he goes off on her saying that he wants kids. he knew EXACTLY what he was getting into before her got married. I didnt say they didnt get anythi.g I said that, I saud its say because they didnt get to enjoy many things together as a couple. Christina and Owen are a always going to be my favorite couple, but Owen was competley out of line, He knew she didnt want kids. then he goes off and tells her that its her fault. yeah, really nice owen...
Fantastic scene! I miss Sandra Oh. She deserved the many Emmy’s she never got for her time on Grey’s. And kudos to Kevin McKidd, fantastic acting here. They really elevated each other in scenes.
Owen was right that Cristina was unwilling to compromise a lot in the relationship (and thats understandable too after what happened with Burke-she still needed more time to trust the relationship), but this was NOT one of those times. It is HER body. She was always completely upfront with him about not wanting kids. Not to mention Owner forced everything on her (the marriage, the house, etc.) So of course she wasn't willing to trust him or the relationship enough to compromise.
He's those kind of people that want to shape the other person in the relationship into someone they like, and hold up a grudge whenever the other side refuses, and thinking that they made so much sacrifice FROM not being able to change their partner. This is outrages. Those kind of people are everywhere, and it's disgusting...And since when did Christina always gets her way in this relationship? She was the same person he chose to marry, and he got mad because he can't change her.
@italoluder Callie once said "You don't destroy the person you love" and that's pretty much what he's doing in this scene. As for the laughing, Teddy's grieving and if hating and mocking Owen makes it easier to deal with then so be it - Cristina gets that and since Owen was best-friends with Teddy I personally think he should too.
Him yelling at her about this in front of people is just wrong. Having a conversation about it in private would have been ok. He knew when they got married that she didn't want kids, she never lied about that. She should have talked to him about it before getting it, not saying she shouldn't have gotten it. Its her body, but she should have included him in the conversation. Then again she was also recovering mentally from the trauma of the shooting. She wasn't thinking with all of herself. Now that she's strong he had to poke at it. Shouldn't have married her if he wanted kids in the first place. Resentment is real
They shouldn’t have gotten married in the first place and even if they blamed the wedding on the shooting. They should have talked about whether they want to be together with or without kids after the abortion
Owen has a point, but so does Cristina. The thing with Owen is that he is having trouble separating his work and personal life. And one would think he could see that Cristina is trying to help Teddy by letting her work instead of cry, which is a whole other issue that Teddy has to deal with herself. But Cristina has always been reckless, so I see how Owen can just see it as Cristina acting out. Teddy kind of gets to act out right now, and she's just utilizing Cristina to do it.
Owen ripped Christina a new one, I don't blame him, but I also don't totally agree with him. He knew what he was getting when he married Christina. The person I felt the most sympathy for was Richard, because they were arguing at his party and made everyone feel uncomfortable. So much for a fun party...
he’s always the one to call her selfish and how she never comprises BUT she got married to him because HE wanted to get married WHILE she was clearly still in shock and developing ptsd she moved into the apartment HE wanted but she didn’t SHE LITERALLY DIDNT GET THE ABORTION UNTIL HE SAID HED GO TO THE CLINIC WITH HER BECAUSE SHE FELT GUILTY MAKING THE DECISION BY HERSELF WHICH SHE SHOULDNT HAVE TO!!!! it never was “we both need to compromise” it’s “you’re going to compromise to what *I* want all the time and if you don’t your selfish” owens the worst i have more reasons and i’ll take no criticism thank you very much
I loved this scene sooo much!! It was so dramatic! Ellen Pompeo said in an interview that she didn't really see how they could make it back because she didn't really see Owen being able to forgive her or how a couple could move on from that because you know she was an adult, married and had a job and so even though he knew she didn't want kids it's still really hard!
I agree. I think that is why the way the show handled the grief was actually great. This isn't pro Christina pro Owen. Nobody ever thinks that the man has a right to grieve an abortion, never mind that he held her hand, he still has a right to be angry about it because it was something he truly wanted and was excited about.
fanatsywriter 12345 She may not wanted a baby,but then again is her fault for hooking up with the wrong guy. If you don’t want babies then don’t date or make sure people you date someone that doesn’t want kids.
@@kennyomega5136 So, you are pro life. And just because someone has sex doesn't mean they want children. She's made that clear for a long time. It was an accident. She knows what she wants and has a strong mind that doesn't break for anyone else. If he wanted a baby, he should have hooked up with someone who does want one. It's her body, her mind, her choice. She knows what's best for her and if she wants to be a mother or if she'll be good at it. But all she wants to do is surgery. She doesn't want babies distracting her from that. Don't judge someone for making their minds and not breaking for their partner. He wants a child, he should go to someone who wants one too.
Gosh I hated Owen's character so much he was such a manipulative, insecure, narcissist. He knew what christina wanted from the onset and he pursued her anyway and keeps trying to change her. He did the same crap with Amelia he is just a very controlling abusive person 😒
Disgusting. THE ENTIRE HOSPITAL turned their back on Teddy when she cheated on Owen, but no one gave a damn when he did this. Except the reaction at the end, nothing happened with that afterwards. Just sayin. I think they should’ve shown him getting backlash. Also, obviously AMAZING acting from both of them!
Owen was in the wrong. He persued Cristina knowing full well who she was. He continued the relationship after she made it clear through words and action that she didn't want children. He ignored it. He later acknowledged that he knew she did not want kids but that he figured she'd "grow up" and come around for him. He stood by her as she got an abortion, then cheated on her so that she could hurt the way he did. He held it all in and exploded on her. He married her when she had PTSD from the shooting. That was a huge mistake. I honestly think after this fight it was selfish of him to stay with her while continuing to hold this baby thing against her but also selfish of her to stay with him knowing she couldn't give him the one thing he wanted. I know they wanted to save this marriage and make it work but having kids is too big of a thing to compromise on. They could have saved eachother allot of pain.
Owen would never be allowed back in my house, like EVER. You mad and I get it, but don’t come to no ones house and yell, “you killed our baby”. Like how dare you be so free, as an invited guest in someone else’s home? #NoChill😒
Sandra Oh and Kevin McKidd - like Jesse and Sarah - had undeniable chemistry in every way possible! You have to be a really good actor and you have to have a really magnetic chemistry like these two to be able to make an argument like this one so intense, because there is a LOT of passion and weight behind this scene, and their acting elevates that so much. And Sandra is fucking phenomenal, okay?! Do not ever tell me otherwise.
I love both so much. None of them is perfect but I think they are two of the most realistic characters on TV. They both have their faults but I don't blame them for anything cause I can understand them but their relationship was never meant to end up happy. Even they may really have loved each other, they hurt each other and none of them deserved beeing hurt. But can we talk about the song? The Jezables are my favourite band and this song fits sooooo perfect for this scene! I was so fraking out when I watched this episode first and realized that my favourite TV show used my favourite song for theire soundtrack
Owen knew what he was getting into. He knew Christina and he knew that surgery was her life. That is what attracted him to her in the first place, her passion for surgery and her commitment to her craft. I love this couple but honestly, now that I know that Owen cheated, I don't want them together. I rather have Burke back. Burke may have left her at the alter but he respected who Christina was and accepted it. He supported her and he left because he didn't want to change her anymore.
I rooted for Cristina and Owen before this. Now I'm done with Owen. I can't believe he could be so insensitive to Cristina, as if she wanted all this and now, because she "got her way," she's completely fine. Either he changes his entire attitude or they break up and Sandra Oh stays no matter what. But only in an idealistic world of course...
What makes me the most upset honestly is how he directly says he has nothing to be guilty about. This is what really sheds clear light on who Owen Hunt is. His ego and toxic confidence that what he does is always right has caused so many people so much grief. But because he is not self aware and refuses to see anyone's perspective but his own for some ungodly reason, he never learns a lesson, he never grows or apologizes, or admits wrongdoing. He lied to teddy and put his wife in a horrible situation, and his justification is that there was no other way. It doesn't matter Owen, you should still feel guilty because of the pain that you directly caused Teddy and Christina. It's quite frightening to see a man so steadfast in his constant mangling of relationships and know that he learns nothing from it, and stays sure and ignorant in himself that he has no fault at all. And he's that mad because they decided to do a surgery without his blessing??? He made his wife operate and kill his best friends husband, all under his direct command, but he sure as hell doesn't get screamed at. He's mad because Christina wont give up her uterus for his child for very sane and reasonable reasons, and he chose to take the steps that caused her to be pregnant because its of no real concern to him. He doesn't have to be pregnant, or give up his career, and doesn't have to give birth in deadly pain. HE just gets a child. But again, he has zero awareness for anyone but himself and his wants. The audacity to have a fit at Christina after what he JUST did to her, by lying and manipulating her into a situation that would severely damage her relationship with Teddy, and her own ability to live with herself for being unable to save her mentors husband. I truly just don't understand how he could be so so quick to relieve himself of any and all fault in the series of surgeries and lies that he told and orchestrated with a shocking talent for manipulation. And at the end of the day, he pours himself a drink, and lashes out at his wife because she laughed at him behind his back with a woman he thought he had destroyed her relationship with. It all is from deeply rooted misogyny and a frail sense of masculinity that he refuses to have challenged, especially by someone he considers to be his property. He may be a surgeon, but his intellect is fiercely inferior to that of his peers, and especially Christina, who are able to look at a series of events, and admit some wrongdoing and take steps to help those he's hurt in TREMENDOUS ways to heal. It will never not amaze me how he completely and avidly shirks any guilt and responsibility for fucking with Teddy and Christina and then proceeding to act like a teenage girl at a party and humiliate Christina in front of her friends because his undeserved authority was challenged by a woman who could run circles around him in the OR. Because he felt he needed to punish them both FURTHER after one lost her husband, and his supposed lover was manipulated into being responsible for it...BY HIM. What even??! Fuck Owen Hunt. There has never been a more glaring and obvious specimen for a modern neanderthal who's only way of defending his toxic masculinity is manipulation and feeble gaslighting.
2:23 Seeing Lexie with Zola is so beautiful and heartbreaking, at least she got to be an aunt before the finale. What’s more heartbreaking is that she never got to meet and be an aunt to Bailey and Ellis 💔😢
When someone tells you who they are, BELIEVE THEM! Cristina has never been anything but herself since the moment she stepped on screen and Owen has no right to expect her to change a core tenement of who she is to make him happy.
I think they both have their faults in this whole situation but the thing is, while it's certainly an issue for both of them, in the end, it's still Cristina's body and ultimately it's still her choice. I highly doubt it would have been better for their marriage if Cristina did have the baby against her will, and I don't think it would be good for the baby either, I mean, just look at what happened to Ellis and Meredith.
The smugness he has when he finally exerts what little power he has over them by taking away Christina from Teddy...calling her the "security blanket"..She just lost her husband, and needs her friend. What kind of monster is that? And he literally had zero reason to be upset. None of his lovers died. He wasn't lied to and tricked into doing a surgery he wouldn't have agreed to, and he certainly didn't have an unconformable operation to end a pregnancy...he just sits high in his ivory tower and shames all the little mistakes that don't really affect his life, because he is so whiney that he doesn't have a kid, and doesn't get what he wants. God. Owen Hunt is the worst male figure on television.
@House of Music If Owen honestly cared that much about the baby, he wouldn't have sat with her during the operation. How weird is it to tell someone your okay with their decision, and then be mad about it later. She even took time before the operation to have a conversation with him about it. He is the worst.
@commentingize Do you sincerely, believe Cris didn't know Owen wanted children, at all? She knew, nevertheless she agreed to marry him. when she was desperately in need. Didn't she cut his legs too? Bc if she didn't catch that at the begining she is completely oblivious, contrary to what she said once. He's not perfect but in that matter he's not the only one to blame
i hate and love this scene sooo much. its so well done, the acting its perfect. i now for drama it needed to end there but i have would love to see what happened right after
You know it makes you think, because at a certain point in time he had the choice between Teddy & Christina. So he & Teddy could've been together right now & none of this would be happening.
"When do you throw in the towel? Admit that a lost cause is something just that? There comes a point where it all becomes too much. When we get too tired to fight anymore. So we give up. That's when the real work begins. To find hope where there seems to be absolutely none at all". It's amazing scene with amazing actors, especially Cristina. I love Cristina character so much, she is awesome, she inspiring others people by showing how she believing in herself which is amazing for me.
I hated the fact that Owen was definitely in love of the idea of having a baby and not the idea of having a family with Cristina. Him getting mad and throwing everything on Cristina’s face just means he doesn’t wanna have a baby with Cristina, but he wants the baby more whether he’s with Cristina or not and that’s a stupid reason to have a baby. First of all, Cristina was honest since day 1. Second, Cristina is career first but he LOVES Owen just as she loved Burke. Lastly, Owen asksx Cristina out because he thought she was beautiful and he fell in love with her in the long run so I don’t see the point of getting a divorce just because she doesn’t want a baby.
While I agree with you most part, I must remind that two people said "I do" during their wedding. I'm sure Cristina also knew that family was important to Owen, even though he wasn't as vocal about his stand as she was. If Cristina wasn't about settling down, why did she say "I do" in the first place? Owen wasn't the only one who screwed up. They both did. They both brought it to this point.
@italoluder Yes but he made the decision when she had the abortion remember? He decided to forgive her and that he was going to stand by her...he told her if the abortion was what she wanted, he'd support her - in the stairwell, right before she had the abortion...and Cristina cried - it was in the season premiere. He could have walked away but he decided to stand by her - he made that choice. It's like Mer said to him "You're punishing her, for what? Being the woman you fell in love with?"
Finally he said it! For him, the person who loves more in the world chose "success" over a family, that's not a pill that just anyone can swallow. As much as I love this couple it'd be better for them to split up cause that's the only way I can see for Owen to have his dream family and Cristina that uniqueness that can only be her and which I love. Owen agreed with her cause he was too afraid to loose her. The real question here is how much does he really love her? Sometimes love is not enough.
Accept for the baby part, i don't see how owen is at fault here. Teddy and christina are punishing him for things they decided. Teddy wanted Christina to operate on henry. Webber stopped hunt from telling teddy about henry. And it was a right call. And on top of it in this episode they make fun of him after undermining him. He was not to be blamed for that. And christina's u dont get to punish ne attitude is what the problem is with her. That being said, owen, get over the baby thing. U supported it. U don't get to bring it up again
Its a different thing to tell your partner you are ok with them not wanting to have children as oppose to she telling u she's pregnant and wants to get rid of the baby or fetus depending on your personal views. There really is no right or wrong in such a situation. Christina and Owen were just wrong for each other. Owen has a track record for falling for the wrong women. Remember that nice pretty doctor lady who wanted to marry him and become a housewife. He dumped her for Christina, the heart wants what it wants. Don't think its fair to judge either of them. Just felt bad for them both how does a marriage move past something like that. Christina was being delusional thinking she could just forget about something like this and move on.
The thing is she was brilliant but highly irresponsible if you already had an unwanted pregnancy with Burke shouldn’t you move with more caution to prevent more unwanted pregnancies ? Like how do you manage to get pregnant twice? At this point you are just careless abortions are not like little procedures you can get a lot of they do significant damage to women. This is a 35 year old women who by now should have gotten a strict birth control or tide her tubes if she was serious about not wanting kids. It was just highly irresponsible of her to involve Owen in this he already had enough ptsd
No one else knew except Cristina, Meredith, and Owen. Most of them looked shocked Bailey, Webber, Mark, Callie, Arizona, Lexie (a little bit) and yeah Derek.
I will always and forever be on Cristina’s side with her marriage with Owen! There’s a reason why Owen was always my least favorite main character in the whole show! He was so horrible to her!
Emma Valentich Thank you! I feel like there is some unnecessary hate for certain people in this show. And this isn't HTGAWM to hate the baddies, bc everyone is good, For example, what has Jo done to be hated so much?
billybob joe Jo is one of my favorites! I think people dont like her bc Alex dated Izzie before and thosse people were probably obsessed w/ Izzie. now I love izzie, but jo is just so beautiful!
@JHaywardGirl "And let's not forget that he basically lied to Teddy's face when she asked him if Henry survived the surgery." So you are trying to convince us that the right thing to do is when Henry died, Owen to rush and tell Teddy that her husband was death?? As we know that there weren't no else so capable as Teddy to perform that procedure, the paciente in the table would die bc she would get mentally instable. Right? If it was your child in her hands, would you think the same way???
At first I liked Owen. Baby stuff came up. Okay with Owen. Marriage. ? With Owen Force Christina to do what he wants, and when she decides says he has no say. Not okay with Owen. This argument. 😭😡 with Owen I'm with my girl all the way. You rock Christina! Do your heart stuff... This boy doesn't deserve you. He's not even a man yet. That's my pettiness talking
jay9493 i'm not tring to offened you ,but owen shouldv'e been honest with her, and told her how he felt instead of waiting until now. marriage is about honesty and commitment, now christina asked him about it and he agreed, and she cried,about it, the abortion hurted christina more than anything, it was inside of her not him! he knew christina b4 he married her it hurt CHRISTINA NOT JUST OWEN, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS CHRISTINA dealt with it, and owen took his anger out on CHRISTINA.
@theopengrave I don't think it was out of line at all. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything lol but Cristina always does what she wants and that's not a real relationship, not only that but how can she expect him to be ok with the fact that she's amazing with kids yet she got rid of theirs?
@chenser1628 I guess it depends which way you the viewer interpret it, I personally think they're shocked at what Owen said. Except I think Derek may be shocked at both as since MerDer were going through their rough patch when it happened Derek didn't know Cristina was ever pregnant and Owen didn't tell him - he just told him they were having problems.
@JAY9493 she promised the same to him. I am shocked of what you commented. this is a seriuous issue. Its about two people in love who have problems. And by the way: Doesnt he have ANY right at all to be angry and sad? Why does she have teary eyes? Because she had no idea what it meant for him. She is stunned and saddened by the depth of his pain. Because she never mentioned to hurt him. Dont forget there are people who want kids. and they matter too.....
@italoluder I do see where you're coming from and yea that is real life, but I don't think he regrets saying that...I personally do not think that it was a 'heat of the moment' situation 'cause you can see how shocked and hurt Cristina is and Owen doesn't even attempt to say sorry...he doesn't even look sorry. He was involved in the decision - he decided to forgive, he decided to stand by her, he decided to stand by and stay with and support the woman he loved - he made that call, not her.
Shonda Rhimes said that they had to go through a slump in pain but would be together. and let's be honest cristina hate but now we would not like owen or she were with other people
Honestly, it seemed like Owen was fine after he went with Christina to get the abortion. But people. Let's not forget. HE IS CHEIF NOW. Every chief in the past of Grey's hasacted like a douche. So I definitely think that Owen messed up, but Christina did push him over the edge with the laughing and all. But I completely support Christina, not because she was totally right, but Owen should not have said that. "You killed our baby!" -- Owen, you were there. Stop placing blame for your own faults.
Well, arguments for both sides were valid, I'd just say Im more on Owen side. He knew she didnt want kids as much as she knew he wanted kids before the wedding, and they said I do anyway. He finally let all the anger out because what Cristina and Teddy did, humiliating him in the OR, was disrespectful and unprofessional. Let's take that scene into account before we conclude Owen raging is irrational. I love Crowen so much, and I'm so sad they'd never work out.
An Ly I agree, I loved Christina from day 1 but this story arch really upset me. I really wanted them to have a family, but alas it was not meant to be in Shondaland. :'(
In season 5 she made him promised that he wouldn't do her feel like Burke did and them he did worst
At least Burke had the curtesy to walk away, sure it hurt her but she was better off in the long run for it. Owen clung to her and brought her down for years until she got rid of him herself
@@eden2266 absolutely true! Burke knew that he would trap Cristina, knowing hurting her by doing that would hurt him. Walking away was the best for both of them. Owen dragged her through the mud with him, practically broke her. I absolutely dispise him.
Dude, do you even realize how well Sandra Oh acted? The part where she says "Ok. Yes. Ok. Yes. Yes. Ok?" The expression in her face and the way she just really slams the words around. They are not empty.
PREACH IT!!!
where is this
Jenny G 3:10
SHE DESERVES A FUCKING EMMYYUU
She was cold and empty! Slept her way to the top
He married her when she was depressed! Even before that, she said she never wanted kids, stating that she would be a terrible mother. He knew what he was getting into from the beginning. You can't just say "things might change", not with someone like Cristina. He forced the marriage, the home, tried forcing her to come back to work, seems like he loves being in charge. This isn't 1965, she has equal rights and the choice. If she thinks she'd be a terrible parent, she shouldn't be forced to be one. Though she does work surprisingly well with Zola, maybe because the pressure of being a good parent vs. career isn't on her shoulders. I stick with her over him any day.
You get all my claps. Of course, she loves Zola but she doesn't feel pressed because she isn't her daughter. Also, as you said, Cristina never wanted to have kids, why the hell Owen wants to search an inexistent problem? "No one doesn't want to have babys" well, Cristina is!
Don't forget that Cristina always wanted to be a cardiotoracic surgeon, and she knew that having a baby would be contradictory because she will never be take care of him good. Not that she will be a awful mother, but she loves surgery more than the idea of having a baby
Darkmatter Black I'm not sure if you've seen her personal if/then episode, but you will love it. It was soooo good, you'll love it!
Keno31404 Cristina's? Of course! I saw all the Grey's Anatomy seasons :D
Darkmatter Black After seeing that, i don't see how anyone could ever argue on Owen's side. I'm so glad she's happy, she deserves it.
+Keno31404 Because he never fully understanded Cristina. I'm not saying that Owen is wrong, obviously not. He is in all right to want a family, but he is not right to try to make Cristina something that she's not.
I mean, he is shirty because Cristina doesn't want to do what HE wants.
That sucks.
I get him, trust me. I understand him, because he did not expected to have a wife such strong in her mind and goals. He was expecting something totally different.
This is the one fight I never understood. Owen blames Christina for killing the baby, and not wanting to try again... He knew she did not want kids, and yet he still feels that he has a right to beg her for kids, maybe try to change her mind, but you should never force your partner into something they dont want.
Emma Valentich she forced him into the abortion
its her uterus and her body, he doesnt get a say and she didnt force him to do anything. he stood by her and resented her for it later. he could have ended the relationship. it should have ended before they were married when she expressed that she did not want children, he was mistaken to think she'd come around
It wasn't only the baby. It was the fact she prefered the abortion AND appart was the surgery. Those 2 decisions.
Jadealex but he does get a say, it’s his baby too. His problem was that it was never a discussion, it was just her decision and he didn’t even get to discuss it. Meredith was right they got married to soon
ThunderCookie101 he doesn’t have a say. If she doesn’t want a baby in her, he can’t force her.
You can't compromise on a baby. You either have one or you don't. There's no way to come to a mutual agreement on that. Yeah he had a vision about what his life would be like but he married her knowing FULL well she did not want to have kids. He just thought she'd change her mind, so it's not her fault he completely dismissed her opinion about not wanting kids.
He seemed to be behind her, he told her he understood, he went with her to the appointment, and held her hand while it happened.
@House of Music They did talk about it, he told her he understood, and he was there for her when she had the abortion.
Fact is he was upset because no amount of talking about it changed her mind.
And what do you mean by "made the decision alone." She didn't have an abortion without telling him.
@House of Music no she knew Cristina didn’t want kids she pretty much said every time kids were brought up, she even said it when her teddy Callie and Owen were in the OR together
This is why I never liked Owen… he only thought of himself….but, however…. Thus makes sense for him… his ptsd. His time in the military. He just wants a normal like, with kids, and a family… HOWEVER, Christina , full stop, told him she didn’t want to have kids.
Thats why I never liked them together. Owen always wanted a baby, Cristina never wanted one. And we saw in the future episode how miserably they'd both be if they didnt get what they wanted.
The best thing they could do for one another is separate and find people who could give them what each one wanted.
She could of hired nannies and babysitters but you’re right she might of resented the child
Derek's face at the end has to be everyone's face after watching that argument 😭💔💔
Derek's face at the end thas be everyone's face alert after watching that argument 💔💔
Cristina Yang is perfect. She has so much strength and dignity. One of the greatest characters on tv.
Cristina having dignity? 😂😂😂😂
@House of Music She made it about herself because it was about her.
He knew she didn't want kids
But yet blames all of this on her
Not to mention that he's selfish forcing her on something she doesn't want to do
It's her body, and she is the one that will have to experience the pain of pregnancy and permanent effects it has on a person's body.
There's no comprimising about the baby
If she doesn't want it she won't be able to give it the love it deserves
So she chose abortion.
This scene highlights the ultimate sad truth behind their relationship which began with such promise that in the end resulted in them killing each other slowly, as heart breaking as it was to see their relationship die it would have been the end of both of them if they stayed together.
I miss Cristina so much. Bring her back.
Moisés Lemus shonda never fired her
she wanted to leave.
She was tired of cristinas ups and downs
She will come back, only if she (sandra) wants to come back
@@iamravyn6878 I think she was just ready to move on. She'd spent 10 years with that character and did allot with it. Other actors on the show wished they could have gotten as much to do but instead were written off like Arizona and April.
me too🥺
The woman has the final say because it's her body that she is sacrificing. Yeah it's both their kid but it's her partly her kid AND all of her body so she gets the final say. BEFORE they ever got married she made it clear she never wanted kids and he said sure thinking she'd change her mind. So I understand why he's upset but he shouldn't be angry at for being the same person he married. She made no illusions about what she wanted/did not want.
Also birth control fails, even used perfectly.
But is still
Owens kid
Andres Aguilar but still Cristina never wanted kids and it’s HER damn uterus. He knew she never wanted kids and still married her when she was depressed and had severe ptsd.
Dami Akanni So that’s makes it okay? To
Actually kill an innocent unborn baby?
Andres Aguilar she did nothing wrong tho. At the end of the day she didn’t change he did. He knew she didn’t want kids and he married her anyway when she was depressed and at her lowest. You don’t compromise on a kid when someone in the relationship doesn’t want it bc someone is always gonna resent the child.
Andres Aguilar the “baby” wasn’t even a baby when she did it. second of all, Cristina never wanted kids. you can’t force a woman to have a child she doesn’t want. being the child of a parent(s) who doesn’t truly love u will hurt.
Even when they fight they have this great chemistry
Too bad they’re done now. Omelia will never be the same as them. Rooting for Towen
They had PASSION behind their chemistry, and especially in their arguments. Every fight they had, I was on the edge of my seat wondering what they were going to snipe at each other with next.
Amelia and Owen barely have chemistry at all. I couldn't care less about them as a couple. They just don't compare or compete with Cristina and Owen.
I actually never saw that chemistry between them. They just look odd together, imo. Maybe its the guy.
@@rinidmoron You again and your racist comments. They look great together. They just don’t fit together
@@thisnigerianlovesdrinkingg4522 you must be really stupid to think my comment was even remotely racist. Don't write such ridiculous comments just to sound cool. I am an Indian, you don't need to tell me about "racism", I face a lot of that on a daily basis myself. Can't believe you brought up racism for a comment made on a stupid youtube video.
Christina gave him an out when she told him she was going to have the abortion, he decided to stay with her and said hed support her decision. He doesn't get to throw it back in her face, especially in a cruel way, while their friends and coworkers can hear.
They shouldn't have done this at a kid's birthday party
They just ruined Zola’s party
The look of Derek's face at 3:30 says it all. When Meredith said that since she lost Zola (a few episodes before this one) Derek didn't keep pushing her. Even the episode before this he was like "it can just be the two of us, if that's what you want."
When Meredith messed with the adoption process, they fought about it and figured if they wanted to be together with or without Zola. That’s what a marriage should be. Reaching a compromise.
But Cristina and Owen didn’t talk about if they wanted to be together with or without kids even after she had the abortion
@House of Music Owen didn't get a say in the abortion. He's allowed to have feelings and an opinion but Cristina was the one who was pregnant. It's her body and she gets the final say over it.
No matter who's wrong or right . I just want to say: Sandra Oh and Kevin McKidd rock.
This fight deserves an Oscar.
this was sooo peak greys. this is one of my favourite scenes ever. literal edge of my seat, gasped out loud at owen’s line. and the MUSIC. so much perfection
That wasn't fair. It was cruel . He just took it way too far
He did, he was cruel to make Christina stand in the same OR as teddy right after Christina saw teddy’s husband die, Owen was so entitled, he felt entitled to teddy’s forgiveness and when he didn’t get it, he took Christina off of her service, the thing that pissed me off was how Christina was right telling him he can never take accountability for shit but he turns it around on her, he was so infuriating.
Derek is like… oh he’s in trouble and you know Meredith is seconds away from saying “Owen, get out of my house”
Wow. This was a jaw dropping scene. I loved everything about it, acting was phenomenal and the music went well with it too. Wow. Very intense.
To anyone on Dr. Hunt's side, claiming that he should have had "a say" in the abortion:
Yes, he would have a say if she lied to him, saying she wanted a kid. But the fact remains that she did inform him, loudly and clearly, that she would never want children. When they progressed as a couple, and eventually into marriage, he implicitly agreed to her stance-he should have ended the relationship if he cannot compromise, but he did not. So when Cristina got pregnant inadvertently, he did not, and should not, have a say. He forfeited that right long ago. It is his fault, and his alone, to keep projecting his ideals onto Cristina, to delude himself that she may change when she has made the contrary abundantly clear time and again, to cheat on her, and to humiliate her right there in front of esteemed friends and colleagues. The truth is Owen Hunt is a misogynist, and the worst kind at that. He is not crude or rude; he is educated and charming; he seems respectful and tolerant, but under that facade, he is just a man who holds and subjects women to what he wants. The most horrifying thing is guys like Hunt often think of themselves, and are largely regarded, as the "nice guy."
I agree that as far as the pregnancy goes Cristina has the final say on what she decides to do. But I disagree with the thought that owen is misogynistic.
I personally don't see any hope for Crowen and I don't ship them anymore. I really hoped Owen wouldn't bring it to this point but he fucked up. I get he is super upset and sad because that baby was a dream of his but when he decided to marry Cristina he knew that she was about her career, not settling down to family life. I mean what did he expect?! That she would change or that he could change her?! I love Mer's "My mother was a Cristina" speech to Owen (8x01). Perfectly sums up my feelings.
@House of Music uhm yes he did know she literally told him. Then later he said he thought she would change her mind
@Mrinali Saxena He did know, but it was Meredith that had to basically tell him to be supportive which pissed me off because it should have been Cristina telling him that not Meredith
I think what people need to focus on more in this argument is not what either of them did wrong but just the emotion that the actors get through. You always think of christina as not being very emotiontional but at the end when the camera is on her face It looks asif he has hit her with a bus. He shouldnt have taken it that far. to see a character we know isnt very emotional portray alot of emotion makes it 10 times more effective.
The idea that Cristina is not emotional has been disproven time and time again. She just doesn't care about things we seem to be "heartwarming" and necessary like hugging and marriage etc. but she def has emotions. Helping Izzy, Mourning George, trying to help Owen's PTSD, failed marriage, helping that little girl that one time, being there for Meredith, the shooting, the abortions and so much more. Cristina def has emotions. She's intensely loyal.
No, Cristina was doing what she did in the episode to help Teddy. That had nothing to do with "abusing" Owen. And the assertion that Cristina is abusive and unprofessional is utterly ridiculous.
@Mrinali Saxena She never wanted kids though, she made that clear, I do agree that it should have been Cristina talking to Owen to get her to support her, and not Meredith.
However Cristina always made it clear that she didn't want to be a mother and not want kids. If Owen wanted to have kids, he should have broken up with her. It's not Cristina's fault that she didn't manage his expeditiations on his fantasy of being a father.
I knew their relationship was doomed because they got married only after the shooting and then Owen wanted kids, it was eventually going to fall flat. I always noticed that Cristina always got the things she wanted out of everyone.
Shady Tyrell Christina!?!? i hope you now she got NOTHING out of this relatiomship because it ended in divorce. If a couple ends in divorce that means you got nothing out of it, unless they have a kid. and in this case they didnt. Dont hate the players (Christina and Owen) hate the game (Grey's Anatomy/ Shonda Rhimes) If you are going to think that shit dont even comment it. Owen was of course out of line, saying she killed the baby when it was totally not her fault. But i still love both Christina and Owen
Emma Valentich Just because a relationship ended in divorce they didn't get anything out of it? What kind of one-track thinking is that? I don't really know what you're trying to say tbh. Owen and Christina loved each other and still do but their relationship was never going to be long term. They're still friends and they love and memories is always a plus. It's not like it was a messy divorce. Owen had a major deal breaker and that was kids and Christina had a major deal breaker, her job comes first. I don't see what the issue with me saying that is.
Shady Tyrell Yes but if you actually watch Grey's you would know that Christina told Owen she didnt want kids BEFORE they got married. And them he goes off on her saying that he wants kids. he knew EXACTLY what he was getting into before her got married. I didnt say they didnt get anythi.g I said that, I saud its say because they didnt get to enjoy many things together as a couple. Christina and Owen are a always going to be my favorite couple, but Owen was competley out of line, He knew she didnt want kids. then he goes off and tells her that its her fault. yeah, really nice owen...
Shady Tyrell And the issue of you saying that is that you blamed EVERYTHING on Christina when really all the blame should be going on owen.
what did she get out of everyone???? She was one of the most dumped on characters, lol. It was at the end she got the career trajectory she wanted.
Fantastic scene! I miss Sandra Oh. She deserved the many Emmy’s she never got for her time on Grey’s. And kudos to Kevin McKidd, fantastic acting here. They really elevated each other in scenes.
Owen was right that Cristina was unwilling to compromise a lot in the relationship (and thats understandable too after what happened with Burke-she still needed more time to trust the relationship), but this was NOT one of those times. It is HER body. She was always completely upfront with him about not wanting kids.
Not to mention Owner forced everything on her (the marriage, the house, etc.) So of course she wasn't willing to trust him or the relationship enough to compromise.
it was her body but it was his baby too so I totally understand his point...
He's those kind of people that want to shape the other person in the relationship into someone they like, and hold up a grudge whenever the other side refuses, and thinking that they made so much sacrifice FROM not being able to change their partner. This is outrages. Those kind of people are everywhere, and it's disgusting...And since when did Christina always gets her way in this relationship? She was the same person he chose to marry, and he got mad because he can't change her.
@italoluder Callie once said "You don't destroy the person you love" and that's pretty much what he's doing in this scene. As for the laughing, Teddy's grieving and if hating and mocking Owen makes it easier to deal with then so be it - Cristina gets that and since Owen was best-friends with Teddy I personally think he should too.
" you killed our baby" that part just make me CRY!!! And the part when everybody all listens and looks at the end..... ;(
Him yelling at her about this in front of people is just wrong. Having a conversation about it in private would have been ok. He knew when they got married that she didn't want kids, she never lied about that. She should have talked to him about it before getting it, not saying she shouldn't have gotten it. Its her body, but she should have included him in the conversation. Then again she was also recovering mentally from the trauma of the shooting. She wasn't thinking with all of herself. Now that she's strong he had to poke at it. Shouldn't have married her if he wanted kids in the first place. Resentment is real
They shouldn’t have gotten married in the first place and even if they blamed the wedding on the shooting. They should have talked about whether they want to be together with or without kids after the abortion
@@beingteegold1633 agreed. Still not ok to yell at her infront of people
@@elenasong6111 IKR but I guess it was bottled up anger from the abortion and then Teddy and Cristina making fun of him that day
Owen has a point, but so does Cristina. The thing with Owen is that he is having trouble separating his work and personal life. And one would think he could see that Cristina is trying to help Teddy by letting her work instead of cry, which is a whole other issue that Teddy has to deal with herself. But Cristina has always been reckless, so I see how Owen can just see it as Cristina acting out. Teddy kind of gets to act out right now, and she's just utilizing Cristina to do it.
Owen ripped Christina a new one, I don't blame him, but I also don't totally agree with him. He knew what he was getting when he married Christina. The person I felt the most sympathy for was Richard, because they were arguing at his party and made everyone feel uncomfortable. So much for a fun party...
Lemons19902010 btw that wasn’t Richards party it was Zola’s first birthday and it so happend to be to day of Richards 10,000 surgery 😂
he’s always the one to call her selfish and how she never comprises BUT
she got married to him because HE wanted to get married WHILE she was clearly still in shock and developing ptsd
she moved into the apartment HE wanted but she didn’t
SHE LITERALLY DIDNT GET THE ABORTION UNTIL HE SAID HED GO TO THE CLINIC WITH HER BECAUSE SHE FELT GUILTY MAKING THE DECISION BY HERSELF WHICH SHE SHOULDNT HAVE TO!!!!
it never was “we both need to compromise” it’s “you’re going to compromise to what *I* want all the time and if you don’t your selfish”
owens the worst i have more reasons and i’ll take no criticism thank you very much
well said. Every accusation Owen made was inaccurate. It's typical gaslighting. He did it to Christina and Teddy(for years damn)
I loved this scene sooo much!! It was so dramatic!
Ellen Pompeo said in an interview that she didn't really see how they could make it back because she didn't really see Owen being able to forgive her or how a couple could move on from that because you know she was an adult, married and had a job and so even though he knew she didn't want kids it's still really hard!
I agree. I think that is why the way the show handled the grief was actually great. This isn't pro Christina pro Owen. Nobody ever thinks that the man has a right to grieve an abortion, never mind that he held her hand, he still has a right to be angry about it because it was something he truly wanted and was excited about.
He shouldnt have said any of that to her.
She shouldn’t of done abortion
@@kennyomega5136 She didn't want the child. Are you pro life?
fanatsywriter 12345 She killed an unborn baby that didn’t have a chance to breath.
fanatsywriter 12345 She may not wanted a baby,but then again is her fault for hooking up with the wrong guy. If you don’t want babies then don’t date or make sure people you date someone that doesn’t want kids.
@@kennyomega5136 So, you are pro life. And just because someone has sex doesn't mean they want children. She's made that clear for a long time. It was an accident. She knows what she wants and has a strong mind that doesn't break for anyone else. If he wanted a baby, he should have hooked up with someone who does want one. It's her body, her mind, her choice. She knows what's best for her and if she wants to be a mother or if she'll be good at it. But all she wants to do is surgery. She doesn't want babies distracting her from that. Don't judge someone for making their minds and not breaking for their partner. He wants a child, he should go to someone who wants one too.
I can´t get over that Cristina forgave him. Like she´s so smart, and so... AGH
Gosh I hated Owen's character so much he was such a manipulative, insecure, narcissist.
He knew what christina wanted from the onset and he pursued her anyway and keeps trying to change her.
He did the same crap with Amelia he is just a very controlling abusive person 😒
Disgusting. THE ENTIRE HOSPITAL turned their back on Teddy when she cheated on Owen, but no one gave a damn when he did this. Except the reaction at the end, nothing happened with that afterwards. Just sayin. I think they should’ve shown him getting backlash.
Also, obviously AMAZING acting from both of them!
The moment this started I knew he was going to bring up their baby
Bro this scene is EVERYTHING!!! And the music is perfect for this scene!!! ❤️💯
Owen was in the wrong. He persued Cristina knowing full well who she was. He continued the relationship after she made it clear through words and action that she didn't want children. He ignored it. He later acknowledged that he knew she did not want kids but that he figured she'd "grow up" and come around for him. He stood by her as she got an abortion, then cheated on her so that she could hurt the way he did. He held it all in and exploded on her. He married her when she had PTSD from the shooting. That was a huge mistake. I honestly think after this fight it was selfish of him to stay with her while continuing to hold this baby thing against her but also selfish of her to stay with him knowing she couldn't give him the one thing he wanted. I know they wanted to save this marriage and make it work but having kids is too big of a thing to compromise on. They could have saved eachother allot of pain.
I hate Owen so much, sad cause I liked him when he was introduced
Leave it to Owen to ruin the party
"you killed our baby!" dude...harsh...
Owen would never be allowed back in my house, like EVER.
You mad and I get it, but don’t come to no ones house and yell, “you killed our baby”. Like how dare you be so free, as an invited guest in someone else’s home? #NoChill😒
i hate watching mom and dad fight
Sandra Oh and Kevin McKidd - like Jesse and Sarah - had undeniable chemistry in every way possible! You have to be a really good actor and you have to have a really magnetic chemistry like these two to be able to make an argument like this one so intense, because there is a LOT of passion and weight behind this scene, and their acting elevates that so much.
And Sandra is fucking phenomenal, okay?! Do not ever tell me otherwise.
I love both so much. None of them is perfect but I think they are two of the most realistic characters on TV. They both have their faults but I don't blame them for anything cause I can understand them but their relationship was never meant to end up happy. Even they may really have loved each other, they hurt each other and none of them deserved beeing hurt.
But can we talk about the song? The Jezables are my favourite band and this song fits sooooo perfect for this scene! I was so fraking out when I watched this episode first and realized that my favourite TV show used my favourite song for theire soundtrack
Owen knew what he was getting into. He knew Christina and he knew that surgery was her life. That is what attracted him to her in the first place, her passion for surgery and her commitment to her craft. I love this couple but honestly, now that I know that Owen cheated, I don't want them together. I rather have Burke back. Burke may have left her at the alter but he respected who Christina was and accepted it. He supported her and he left because he didn't want to change her anymore.
I rooted for Cristina and Owen before this. Now I'm done with Owen. I can't believe he could be so insensitive to Cristina, as if she wanted all this and now, because she "got her way," she's completely fine. Either he changes his entire attitude or they break up and Sandra Oh stays no matter what. But only in an idealistic world of course...
Long time ago, when there was somebody who could really act… Sandra Oh is such a good actress. No comparison to the current cast
true...
Oh get Owen a puppy...that will calm him down!
What makes me the most upset honestly is how he directly says he has nothing to be guilty about. This is what really sheds clear light on who Owen Hunt is. His ego and toxic confidence that what he does is always right has caused so many people so much grief. But because he is not self aware and refuses to see anyone's perspective but his own for some ungodly reason, he never learns a lesson, he never grows or apologizes, or admits wrongdoing. He lied to teddy and put his wife in a horrible situation, and his justification is that there was no other way. It doesn't matter Owen, you should still feel guilty because of the pain that you directly caused Teddy and Christina. It's quite frightening to see a man so steadfast in his constant mangling of relationships and know that he learns nothing from it, and stays sure and ignorant in himself that he has no fault at all. And he's that mad because they decided to do a surgery without his blessing??? He made his wife operate and kill his best friends husband, all under his direct command, but he sure as hell doesn't get screamed at. He's mad because Christina wont give up her uterus for his child for very sane and reasonable reasons, and he chose to take the steps that caused her to be pregnant because its of no real concern to him. He doesn't have to be pregnant, or give up his career, and doesn't have to give birth in deadly pain. HE just gets a child. But again, he has zero awareness for anyone but himself and his wants. The audacity to have a fit at Christina after what he JUST did to her, by lying and manipulating her into a situation that would severely damage her relationship with Teddy, and her own ability to live with herself for being unable to save her mentors husband. I truly just don't understand how he could be so so quick to relieve himself of any and all fault in the series of surgeries and lies that he told and orchestrated with a shocking talent for manipulation. And at the end of the day, he pours himself a drink, and lashes out at his wife because she laughed at him behind his back with a woman he thought he had destroyed her relationship with. It all is from deeply rooted misogyny and a frail sense of masculinity that he refuses to have challenged, especially by someone he considers to be his property. He may be a surgeon, but his intellect is fiercely inferior to that of his peers, and especially Christina, who are able to look at a series of events, and admit some wrongdoing and take steps to help those he's hurt in TREMENDOUS ways to heal. It will never not amaze me how he completely and avidly shirks any guilt and responsibility for fucking with Teddy and Christina and then proceeding to act like a teenage girl at a party and humiliate Christina in front of her friends because his undeserved authority was challenged by a woman who could run circles around him in the OR. Because he felt he needed to punish them both FURTHER after one lost her husband, and his supposed lover was manipulated into being responsible for it...BY HIM. What even??! Fuck Owen Hunt. There has never been a more glaring and obvious specimen for a modern neanderthal who's only way of defending his toxic masculinity is manipulation and feeble gaslighting.
Maybe it's me, I was imagining that if Burke was still here. OOOOOOO ALL HELL BREAKS LOSE. Thank goodness he wasnt.
What Would Burke do ?
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Seeing Lexie with Zola is so beautiful and heartbreaking, at least she got to be an aunt before the finale.
What’s more heartbreaking is that she never got to meet and be an aunt to Bailey and Ellis 💔😢
When someone tells you who they are, BELIEVE THEM! Cristina has never been anything but herself since the moment she stepped on screen and Owen has no right to expect her to change a core tenement of who she is to make him happy.
Best actress from this show
I think they both have their faults in this whole situation but the thing is, while it's certainly an issue for both of them, in the end, it's still Cristina's body and ultimately it's still her choice. I highly doubt it would have been better for their marriage if Cristina did have the baby against her will, and I don't think it would be good for the baby either, I mean, just look at what happened to Ellis and Meredith.
I love this song
The smugness he has when he finally exerts what little power he has over them by taking away Christina from Teddy...calling her the "security blanket"..She just lost her husband, and needs her friend. What kind of monster is that? And he literally had zero reason to be upset. None of his lovers died. He wasn't lied to and tricked into doing a surgery he wouldn't have agreed to, and he certainly didn't have an unconformable operation to end a pregnancy...he just sits high in his ivory tower and shames all the little mistakes that don't really affect his life, because he is so whiney that he doesn't have a kid, and doesn't get what he wants. God. Owen Hunt is the worst male figure on television.
@House of Music Even if any of that was correct, the way he did everything was aggressive and immature and semi psycho.
@House of Music If Owen honestly cared that much about the baby, he wouldn't have sat with her during the operation. How weird is it to tell someone your okay with their decision, and then be mad about it later. She even took time before the operation to have a conversation with him about it. He is the worst.
@commentingize Do you sincerely, believe Cris didn't know Owen wanted children, at all?
She knew, nevertheless she agreed to marry him. when she was desperately in need. Didn't she cut his legs too? Bc if she didn't catch that at the begining she is completely oblivious, contrary to what she said once. He's not perfect but in that matter he's not the only one to blame
Sandra oh was such a good actor !!
i hate and love this scene sooo much. its so well done, the acting its perfect. i now for drama it needed to end there but i have would love to see what happened right after
You know it makes you think, because at a certain point in time he had the choice between Teddy & Christina. So he & Teddy could've been together right now & none of this would be happening.
"When do you throw in the towel? Admit that a lost cause is something just that? There comes a point where it all becomes too much. When we get too tired to fight anymore. So we give up. That's when the real work begins. To find hope where there seems to be absolutely none at all". It's amazing scene with amazing actors, especially Cristina. I love Cristina character so much, she is awesome, she inspiring others people by showing how she believing in herself which is amazing for me.
Love that monologue
I can't stop watching this... Ahhh someone help me!!!! It brakes my heart every time I hear "you killed our baby" ;(
I hated the fact that Owen was definitely in love of the idea of having a baby and not the idea of having a family with Cristina. Him getting mad and throwing everything on Cristina’s face just means he doesn’t wanna have a baby with Cristina, but he wants the baby more whether he’s with Cristina or not and that’s a stupid reason to have a baby. First of all, Cristina was honest since day 1. Second, Cristina is career first but he LOVES Owen just as she loved Burke. Lastly, Owen asksx Cristina out because he thought she was beautiful and he fell in love with her in the long run so I don’t see the point of getting a divorce just because she doesn’t want a baby.
While I agree with you most part, I must remind that two people said "I do" during their wedding. I'm sure Cristina also knew that family was important to Owen, even though he wasn't as vocal about his stand as she was. If Cristina wasn't about settling down, why did she say "I do" in the first place? Owen wasn't the only one who screwed up. They both did. They both brought it to this point.
I do ! Doesnt mean i pop out a baby that she doesnt want !! Its a cruel thing bringing a baby into a world if the she part doesnt want !!
The two of them have made mistakes that led up to this, and finally they both have confronted each other about them, but Owen took it too far.
@italoluder Yes but he made the decision when she had the abortion remember? He decided to forgive her and that he was going to stand by her...he told her if the abortion was what she wanted, he'd support her - in the stairwell, right before she had the abortion...and Cristina cried - it was in the season premiere. He could have walked away but he decided to stand by her - he made that choice. It's like Mer said to him "You're punishing her, for what? Being the woman you fell in love with?"
just because a woman is amazing with kids doesn't mean she wants one or should have some. !!!
I can't stop shaking & crying every time I watch this..... But through heartache beautiful things happen,
Finally he said it! For him, the person who loves more in the world chose "success" over a family, that's not a pill that just anyone can swallow. As much as I love this couple it'd be better for them to split up cause that's the only way I can see for Owen to have his dream family and Cristina that uniqueness that can only be her and which I love. Owen agreed with her cause he was too afraid to loose her. The real question here is how much does he really love her? Sometimes love is not enough.
Easy to love by the jezabels
Mer's face is so sad. She looks like she wants to protect Cristina. Like she would do anything so Cristina wouldn't be in that situation.
Song is by the jezabels easy to love
Accept for the baby part, i don't see how owen is at fault here. Teddy and christina are punishing him for things they decided. Teddy wanted Christina to operate on henry. Webber stopped hunt from telling teddy about henry. And it was a right call. And on top of it in this episode they make fun of him after undermining him. He was not to be blamed for that. And christina's u dont get to punish ne attitude is what the problem is with her.
That being said, owen, get over the baby thing. U supported it. U don't get to bring it up again
Its a different thing to tell your partner you are ok with them not wanting to have children as oppose to she telling u she's pregnant and wants to get rid of the baby or fetus depending on your personal views. There really is no right or wrong in such a situation. Christina and Owen were just wrong for each other. Owen has a track record for falling for the wrong women. Remember that nice pretty doctor lady who wanted to marry him and become a housewife. He dumped her for Christina, the heart wants what it wants. Don't think its fair to judge either of them. Just felt bad for them both how does a marriage move past something like that. Christina was being delusional thinking she could just forget about something like this and move on.
The thing is she was brilliant but highly irresponsible if you already had an unwanted pregnancy with Burke shouldn’t you move with more caution to prevent more unwanted pregnancies ? Like how do you manage to get pregnant twice? At this point you are just careless abortions are not like little procedures you can get a lot of they do significant damage to women. This is a 35 year old women who by now should have gotten a strict birth control or tide her tubes if she was serious about not wanting kids. It was just highly irresponsible of her to involve Owen in this he already had enough ptsd
This scene breaks me every time I watch 😭😠
wow this was such a deeply toxic relationship... Derek's face says it all
No one else knew except Cristina, Meredith, and Owen. Most of them looked shocked Bailey, Webber, Mark, Callie, Arizona, Lexie (a little bit) and yeah Derek.
I will always and forever be on Cristina’s side with her marriage with Owen! There’s a reason why Owen was always my least favorite main character in the whole show! He was so horrible to her!
So am I still the only one who hasn't disliked anybody in these 13 seasons?
billybob joe no of course not ! i have loved every single person who has come in their memorial hospital, its amazing.
Emma Valentich Thank you! I feel like there is some unnecessary hate for certain people in this show. And this isn't HTGAWM to hate the baddies, bc everyone is good, For example, what has Jo done to be hated so much?
billybob joe Jo is one of my favorites! I think people dont like her bc Alex dated Izzie before and thosse people were probably obsessed w/ Izzie. now I love izzie, but jo is just so beautiful!
Emma Valentich Thank you!!! Glad to see someone gets me. I think they think she's to blame for Alex beating Deluca.
billybob joe I feel like Alex and Meredith belong together
@JHaywardGirl "And let's not forget that he basically lied to Teddy's face when she asked him if Henry survived the surgery."
So you are trying to convince us that the right thing to do is when Henry died, Owen to rush and tell Teddy that her husband was death??
As we know that there weren't no else so capable as Teddy to perform that procedure, the paciente in the table would die bc she would get mentally instable. Right? If it was your child in her hands, would you think the same way???
I think they do work for each other but I really hope that we see a lot of growth on Cristina's part
Lexie & Mark
The fight blew my mind
Not to mention *his* post-traumatic stress that led to him choking her >_>
At first I liked Owen.
Baby stuff came up. Okay with Owen.
Marriage. ? With Owen
Force Christina to do what he wants, and when she decides says he has no say. Not okay with Owen.
This argument. 😭😡 with Owen
I'm with my girl all the way. You rock Christina! Do your heart stuff... This boy doesn't deserve you. He's not even a man yet. That's my pettiness talking
jay9493 i'm not tring to offened you ,but owen shouldv'e been honest with her, and told her how he felt instead of waiting until now. marriage is about honesty and commitment, now christina asked him about it and he agreed, and she cried,about it, the abortion hurted christina more than anything, it was inside of her not him! he knew christina b4 he married her
it hurt CHRISTINA NOT JUST OWEN, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS CHRISTINA dealt
with it, and owen took his anger out on CHRISTINA.
Now Teddi is going to have Owen 's baby
Yes and the idiot still does not stay with teddy , he is sooo stupid , she is the perfect woman for him
She wanted to kill Burke's baby.
The song playing has nothing to do with this scene.
@theopengrave I don't think it was out of line at all. I'm not trying to start an argument or anything lol but Cristina always does what she wants and that's not a real relationship, not only that but how can she expect him to be ok with the fact that she's amazing with kids yet she got rid of theirs?
Actually she had the same argument when Meredith gave birth to bailey, she was never in support and she threw it on Mers face.
@chenser1628 I guess it depends which way you the viewer interpret it, I personally think they're shocked at what Owen said. Except I think Derek may be shocked at both as since MerDer were going through their rough patch when it happened Derek didn't know Cristina was ever pregnant and Owen didn't tell him - he just told him they were having problems.
@JAY9493 she promised the same to him. I am shocked of what you commented. this is a seriuous issue. Its about two people in love who have problems. And by the way: Doesnt he have ANY right at all to be angry and sad? Why does she have teary eyes? Because she had no idea what it meant for him. She is stunned and saddened by the depth of his pain. Because she never mentioned to hurt him. Dont forget there are people who want kids. and they matter too.....
@italoluder I do see where you're coming from and yea that is real life, but I don't think he regrets saying that...I personally do not think that it was a 'heat of the moment' situation 'cause you can see how shocked and hurt Cristina is and Owen doesn't even attempt to say sorry...he doesn't even look sorry. He was involved in the decision - he decided to forgive, he decided to stand by her, he decided to stand by and stay with and support the woman he loved - he made that call, not her.
Shonda Rhimes said that they had to go through a slump in pain but would be together. and let's be honest cristina hate but now we would not like owen or she were with other people
Honestly, it seemed like Owen was fine after he went with Christina to get the abortion. But people. Let's not forget. HE IS CHEIF NOW. Every chief in the past of Grey's hasacted like a douche. So I definitely think that Owen messed up, but Christina did push him over the edge with the laughing and all. But I completely support Christina, not because she was totally right, but Owen should not have said that. "You killed our baby!" -- Owen, you were there. Stop placing blame for your own faults.
Well, arguments for both sides were valid, I'd just say Im more on Owen side. He knew she didnt want kids as much as she knew he wanted kids before the wedding, and they said I do anyway. He finally let all the anger out because what Cristina and Teddy did, humiliating him in the OR, was disrespectful and unprofessional. Let's take that scene into account before we conclude Owen raging is irrational.
I love Crowen so much, and I'm so sad they'd never work out.
An Ly I agree, I loved Christina from day 1 but this story arch really upset me. I really wanted them to have a family, but alas it was not meant to be in Shondaland. :'(
He stood by her side when she got the abortion. And he chooses to be mad after? I'm on Christina's side.