Portugal should have had their first prize early enough as in 1971 with the song "Menina". After that Sobral's victory looks like a sad joke of the new age ESC.
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@@mrjdsworld80 Yes. 2001 didn’t have flags on the scoreboard, but the upper-thirds that had the spokesperson had the flag of the country who were giving their points.
Noteworthy: Spain actually gave its 6 points to the Netherlands. She said "Holland 6 points", but Ingvild heard "Poland". It was corrected later by the EBU, which means the Netherlands acutally came 7th and the United Kingdom moved down to 8th place...
Eurosong 1996, aka, the one that pissed everyone off. I love how you flipped the VR idea on its head and created a VR Studio instead of integrating it with the blue room. I know that NRK was showing off, but I give them credit they did a great presentation. Although, using all those graphics used so much power from those Silicon Graphics workstations that it made them forget how to add and the scoreboard lagged a bit sometimes. Also, the fonts & colors they used made the scores hard to see. I also agree with you on the juries completely missing the boat with Gina G. I mean, it was one of the few ESC songs to become a hit in the United States and I heard it growing up! For it to only get 8th (7th at the night), would be a slap in the face to the Brits. I would understand not winning, but being like top 3. Personally, this was the year that Portugal should have won. Scraping by the pre-qualification round (it placed 18th) to winning the whole thing would have been the best underdog wins in ESC history, and possibly would have brought more viewers the following year. Ireland was an alright winner, but Europe had enough of Ireland winning (and winning by a mile) almost every year and the juries in general that ratings were going down fast. Also, having one of the largest contributors to the EBU & the contest and the EBU telling the Germans to f off didn't really help with rating either. Hence, the reason they introduced televoting in 97 for several countries...and the big 4 in 2000. Anyway, amazing job with the scoreboard this year, and I can't wait for 1997! I'm pretty sure you'll figure out how to draw countries by the time you make the scoreboard for 1998.
Great comments! I felt the Silicon Graphics effort was undoubtedly impressive, although some odd choices were made. The chains and bolts were occasionally right in the foreground and were of quite low res quality for something so large and prominent, yet the flooring had intricate tile detailing on it. Conceptually it shows the tech is still new and people are unsure how to implement it - the whole idea is a little bit disconnected from the rest of the branding or the stage. But such a great idea to have maps, floating heads for the spokespeople (and this is only the third year we've seen them in vision), and shots of the green room all the way through at the back (Olso 2010 would spend a lot of money doing that in actual stage rigging form, of course!). The design of the scoreboard almost feels like a second thought, but it's size was important to show off the trick of walking in front of one panel and behind the other - technically very skilful, but probably a bit 'all the gear and no idea' on that one. Half the audience probably didn't notice it's significance.
Gina G song was a massive hit all over the world and here in Brazil too,she come to here and presented on the main television shows with this song.Is the first Eurovision song that i rememeber,but i didn't know Eurovision.I was to discovery on one year later.
@@thereorderboard in 2010,NRK was in a different situation.They don't had money and they don't planing to win the 2009 contest.They had afraid that what happened on Moscow and the size of contest was growed in 15 years.Due this,to financing the 2010 contest they had to sell all sporting events rights they have buyed for period of 2010 to 2012 for private broadcasters.
It didn't help Gina G's chances that she's a shite live singer. If they'd gotten someone with a proper set of pipes that could've belted out the song with appropriate gusto then the UK would've been a real contender for the trophy.
I can totally understand as to why you created a brand new studio as opposed to integrating the scoreboard with the live show. But by goodness you did an outstanding job. Full marks! general consensus from everybody here on the comments is eurosong 96 was the year in everything (for want of a better word) f***ed up! And I for one totally agree looking back on it. For starters, if televoting had been introduced many years earlier for certainly most countries, the majority of the European public would no doubt have gone for UK to win. Argue all you like about how Gina was off key and we we're in a unwinnable starting position (no one has won from being second up). But this definitely miffed a lot of Europe that the scoring was all over the place. More so in recent years. Be you any money Germany would have done far better if they had qualified. Not a winner, but certainly top 10. I would go on about everything else involved, but there are others on here that speak it better than I could. Honestly can't wait for 97 now. Top job as always man! P.S. The UK entry was the first record I ever bought 😂
A few spokespersons had said "Holland" in the 70s or 80s when referring to the Netherlands, but fortunately Poland was still in the other side of the Iron Curtain back then.
I've watched this in full 3 times now, and will continue to do so. My Eurovision voting obsession is truly grateful, thank you! The footage is such a good quality. Amazing work! #justiceforginag
I'm currently on a journey to watch every Eurovision and I just finished watching this one, your board included of course! I have to say, this is one of the best scoreboards I've seen from your channel. Can't imagine the amount of effort and time put into this one. Thank you so much for this and all of your other work, it's made the scoring so much easier to watch.
I like Ingvild and Morten. Ingvild nudging Sweden about the historical lack of points (especially since Sweden notably didn't vote for "Nocturne" the year before) was funny.
Remember 1966 when every Nordic country gave Sweden 15 out of the 16 points that got them in 2nd place. And Sweden did not give Norway any points yet them placed 3rd with 15 points. It was bad.
@@nadirhajjour I think those early years were what really poisoned Nordic countries to the idea of neighborly voting. Nowadays, there’s a vibe that Nordic countries have to earn points from their neighbors (I think even the other Nordic countries were more muted in their jury points to Dance You Off compared to other countries for instance).
Another great board you have there! I appreciate the hard work you put into making another room; I also like how you indicated songs that could potentially get relegated (though under the 1997-2000 system, it looks a bit messy). 1996 is pretty much an acquired taste in terms of songs, not unlike that in 1995. If one likes the ethereal, ethnic-influenced songs that permeated the 1990s (especially with the top three), it's a good year! If one is looking for something like "Ooh, Aah, Just a Little Bit", then they will have to wait a few more years when the televote is instituted to get more modern songs. With that, I'd imagine that this represented the nadir of Eurovision in terms of popularity, especially with the image of the fans leaving when they realized Ireland had won it again. When the eighth place song does better commercially than the winner, something has gone awry. The production, on the other hand was solid--the oil money was put to good use! I like Ingvild as a host; she was bubbly and it made for some good viewing. The postcard concept was good too! 1 pt - FRA: I was torn between this, Belgium, and Finland for the final spot in my top ten. I also grew to like Croatia and Austria's entries since watching it. I was put off by how slow it is (which is one reason why it bombed), but the serenity and the use of the Breton language grew on me enough to give it a place in my top ten (along with my Francophilia, haha). 2 pt - POL: My third favorite Polish entry ever! Kasia puts a lot of heart in this dramatic ballad, and i could feel her pain with the music. But the best is still yet to come for Poland...:) 3 pt - NOR: I thought this was the weakest of the top three, because it felt kind of linear in progression. But it's so pure and heavenly. 4 pt - GRE: A bit weaker than their songs from 1992, 1993, and 1995, but still pretty good! It does remind me of springtime a bit. 5 pt - EST: This was originally a spot ahead, but then I kept forgetting that it exists within the top five. I do enjoy it, though--good build and the duo's voices work really well. 6 pt - PRT: Portugal's highest placing until 2017, and it was well-earned! Very welcoming and fun, and it certainly reminds me of summer. If I remember clearly, this came in 18th in the audio-only pre-qualifying round, so its sixth place on the televised show could be attributed by Lucia's and the orchestra's talent! 7 pt - GBR: The very modern bop that we all needed. It deserved all its commercial success and its Grammy nomination. Critics would go for how Gina's vocals weren't the best, but I didn't notice them at all--I was too busy dancing, that's all. :) 8 pt - TUR: Sebnem Paker's first appearance, and Turkey's highest point total to date (thought they placed 9th in 1986). It reminds me of a quiet fall day, filled with melancholy and introspection. At one point, it looked like Turkey's average would be too low to participate in 1997, which piqued me. Imagine a world without Dinle...that would be a shame. My top two are very much even in terms of my liking for them; they are both ethereal with some really good vocals! No matter what, they are my favorite entries from their respective countries. I keep going back and forth on them, but here we go... 10 pt - SWE: When I listened to this for the first time, it felt like I was plopped into a folk legend! The lyrics told a story, and the instrumentation created a winter wonderland. In addition, Nanne and Maria's vocals work well together, adding to the enchantment of the song. It was curious to see how despite winning the pre-qualifying round by a lot, it took a while before they got into third place. But... 12 pt - IRE: I felt like The Voice was more grounded in the country, both in the lyrics and the sound. A bit repetitive with "I am the voice..." yes, but it conveys a story of beauty and suffering all at once. Very much a spring song, it wouldn't be what it is without Eimear's angelic vocals. Breathy, but conveys the story well. P.S. If I had to switch out any of the songs here for any of the NQs, I would switch out Spain and Iceland for Germany and North Macedonia. Planet of Blue is a total bop and Samo ti is super melancholic, and Kaliopi adds some really good vocals there.
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Another beautiful contest. Sweden was one of the big favourites to win, but a third through the voting had only had a meagre 4 points from Portugal and was #19. Finally after Austria's 10 points (of which another 10 would follow from Estonia & Belgium and 12 points from Ireland) they eventually ended 3rd. I can't remember having witnessed a similar jump before or after in the days of jury-voting only.
I did wonder how you gonna do that one! Let''s watch! EDIT: Really liked it! I really like your idea for the studio, I think that might even have been the only way to go with this one. Brilliant!
I am certainly hyped for the 1997 one. Even though it could be similar to both 1994 and 1995. I wish the reorderboard: Eurovision channel all the best for the next video!
Another stellar job indeed, with your write-up being massively insightful as always. Really liking the VR-ception of this concept: a VR stage in a VR stage! And being true to form with the orange and grey (sans golden yellow) colour scheme of 1996. Interesting noting the power and finances NRK had for this undoubtedly groundbreaking idea back in 96, and of course the familar 'Playstation-esque' graphics with the nut and bolt flying through at random. Not including what must have been a significant amount of time setting up the design, did this take much longer to do and create vs your other boards? It seems/feels it'd have been on the same range as your Eurovision 1991 scoreboard which had other 3D elements in there but just expanded, but this - as is the case with each of your fantastic iterations - has raised the bar with all the little pleasant details. Fab work! And yes, Gina G also takes me back to school discos and the glorious sound of the 90s (bar Britpop coming through)... good times 😄 Great upscaled footage too. 2020 has been a year of the emergence of restored quality to these pre 2000s contests (not entirely from EurovisionAgain though they've been a great movement and distraction this year!) Looking forward to the dark and moody / X-Files-esque / younger (Boyzone!) vibes of 1997!
Fun fact: at the time, Finland's 9 points was a record number of points for a last place finish (excluding the 1971-73 system). This record would stand until the 2008 Final (or the 2005 semi-final, if you want to be pendantic).
@@SuperJNG18 However, considering that each country awards two sets of votes since 2016 (though 2018 is the only year that the last place score was THAT high), Portugal 2018 received 3,87% of possible maximum points. Finland 2009 received 4,47% of possible maximum, and is therefore the last place song with the best relative score. Before 2018, it also had the last-placers record on absolute points (22).
A few other things I couldn’t fit in the description: - Corrections: Yes yes, we all heard it. Holland is not Poland. Only English spoken in a European accent would cause that confusion of course! Not sure why Belén Fernández de Henestrosa (cool name) wanted to award a Dutch province those points, or that Czechoslovakia were on the stage! Anyway, it means the Dutch finished 7th, the UK 8th and Cyprus 9th. I may have to revisit whether the boards should be corrected another time, but for now, I’m sticking to the broadcast. - If you're really enjoying this channel, consider following it on ko-fi.com/thereorderboard for the price of a coffee! Design updates and some behind the scenes vids available! - I think we see the best and worst of Wogan this year. He was great commentating on the interval, and the breaks, keeping his sharp wit aimed at the slightly awkward green room exchanges. Haven’t seen anything as slick as Hans Van Willigenburg in the 1980 green room, yet. I think this is the first time we’ve seen one half of the presenting duo head to do that role? The worst of Wogan? Well there was probably some clumsiness in referring to the Dutch entrants as ‘Ruby Wax and OJ Simpson’. Simpson was acquitted the previous October and was probably the most famous black male on the planet at this time - he would have been on people’s minds but not in a positive light at all. Maybe it’s not an issue but it didn’t feel right to let it hang in the video without comment. As with most things like this with Wogan, the truth lies nearer to ignorance than malice. - The first time we’ve seen maps involved in the scoring sequence. This will become and increasingly difficult issue for me in the years to come! - Although the same name does appear in the credits, associated with the VR studio…I was 9 at the time and not in Oslo. No, I’m not going to say this studio could’ve been designed by a 9-year-old - that would be mean. - Absolutely loved a new selection of countries being near the top of the board (at least for the first half)! I haven’t gone through all the stats, but this was Portugal’s best year so far, the same for newbies Croatia & Estonia and a second best placing for Turkey (1991 was also 12th, and 1986 was 9th…the best was yet to come for them). Although Cyprus spent a lot of time at the top of the board at the beginning, it ended up holding it’s 1995 position. - That fact about Lúcia Moniz (POR) being in Love Actually film! - Ooh Aah remains a big childhood song for me. Junior School discos and all that. I think Gina G coming 8th helped to solidify in the UK’s public consciousness that Europe and the UK are operating on slightly different levels. This was only the second UK Eurovision non-winner to get a UK number 1. I think the first was in 1961! I think you can read that several ways, but I think the juries missed the boat on it, but I understand that some of the vocals weren’t amazing. Of course, the small number of UK entries that even get a Top 10 in the UK charts probably says more about the UK’s attitude than it does the Europeans’. - Gina G raises Australian participation too. She joins a couple of members of the New Seekers, Olivia Newton-John, and a member of the Shadows (1975) as a small bunch from Down Under who’ve trodden the Euro-stage. - It looks like France, Spain and possibly Switzerland were the big regulars that got the most out of the new relegation system - they would have been dropped under the old system. Of course, Bosnia got a reprieve with Israel pulling out in 97.
@@giannis93FUL Hi, I know you regularly comment on this :-) I'm doing the boards in their host languages to do something different. I don't know if you want the names to animate to English, or whether you think they should be in English when I build them. For now I'll be continuing with the language thing, as I think a lot of viewers enjoy it. Of course, I know that after 1991 English became the default language for graphical elements of the show. I've always thought that was a shame - it doesn't help us English speakers pick up new skills!
Yeah, Belen had very confusion. In Spain traditionally say Holland to the Netherlands, and today is still said. But I think that in 90s were more acceptable than now. And finally in Spain the older people and young people in 90s don’t know how to talk in English because French was the foreign language learned in schools in the past. This is good to understand my country
Thanks for the explanation! Although, I don't understand how she said Czechoslovakia instead of Slovakia even though that country broke up 4 years before by that point. Most likely she was just nervous. As for those who avoiding relegation by switching from lowest placing to 5 year averages definitely saved France, Spain & Switzerland's butts from relegation. It was their high scores in 1993 (France & Switzerland), and 1995 (Spain) that got them to participate the following year. Although, I wouldn't be surprised the if the EBU floated the idea of using the 1994 relegation system, but it would have been a PR and ratings disaster to have France & Spain (and possibly Germany) be relegated for ESC 1997.
Elisabeth Andreasson won in 1985 with the worst score of a winning song and eleven years later made history again with the best ever placed song without a 12 points.This record is still today.As Carola in 2006 breaked the record of the higest score,she finished in 4 place,but the format of the contest have changed in 2004.
Thank you so much! After you finish doing all the old eurovisions with the old scoreboard (Thank you so much for that by the way! I know it takes a lot of work), do you ever plan on doing something like doing the complete televoting scores for say, 2019. I think it would be interesting for some of the voting that we never got to see in full. Thank you again!
Thomas, another people made this on youtube.I did't remember the accont,but they made it.They make the televoting results and the juri isolated results beetween 2009 to 2015.The televoting alone on this period and the current voting style too.And since 2016 they made the voting with the old two systems.You could search Eurovision old voting system and you be find.Is cool and some things could surrender you...
This is absolutely great job what are you doing. Looking better then in the original version. Thank you very very much. This is for 12 points ;) I know it's too much for ask but is there any possibility to make some step by step tutorial for us who don't have any clue about vizrt, programming and modern technology? Many of us watched your 1996 special edition and, believe me, we have no clue what you doing there.
Thanks for pointing that out Adams II....I must have missed that fact during the 6 times I ran through the entire voting sequence! Actually I just felt it was great entry - one I enjoyed anyway.
Neither ETV or RTVSLO have money and venues to take it.Did you know that the fact of the Saku Surhaal was finished in 2001? Estonia had lucky to win the 2001 contest,but they are unluck to pay,as ETV don't had the money at the time.
Non of the winning 7 irish songs are remembered today . But you can allways listen to Gina G's " ooh aah just a little bit " time to time in the radio .
A lovely recap and genius idea to create your own virtual studio - well done! The only improvement I would make is to indicate which songs are the favourites with a larger text, as it was rather small for my liking. On the subject of favourites, for 1997 Terry mentions how the favourites were Ireland and the United Kingdom, followed by Italy, Estonia and Germany. I’m not sure if your research will bring up different findings though?
Agreed about the text size - I was at the end of my tether with how complex the studio was and somethings slipped a bit. There wasn't really clear data for 96 and 97 from my usual source, which in part explains the smaller text for this one.
@@thereorderboard No worries about it, it was a marvellous production overall! From the favourites I’ve gathered: year - source - favourites 1997 - Terry Wogan (BBC) - Ireland and UK, Italy and Estonia, Germany 1998 - Pat Kenny (RTÉ) - UK, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Poland
Again thank you and again, great scoreboard display. I liked the flags of the leading countries behind the screen. So 96 warrants another rant from me. Firstly, this was the first time that I managed to record the contest so in the following year, I became well-versed with this particular contest. So much so I became jaded with it and I don't care much for it even though it is a great production. And now the rant: I am Irish. I was furious that The Voice won. At the time I was just fed up with us winning (god be with those days!) all the time and I felt that the people visually walking off during the reprise signified a disdain for Ireland in Eurovision. While it is one of the better songs, I think there are other songs which are better. I also think that Croatia, Austria, Malta and (to a lesser extent) Netherlands were overrated whilst others were underrated as can be seen in my top ten: United Kingdom - 1 point (the best of the rest - I am indifferent to it really) Netherlands - 2 points Greece - 3 points (great song - it would have been 3rd place - but the choreographer should be charged with treason) Norway - 4 points (lovely song but not quite worthy of 2nd place in my eyes) Estonia - 5 points (the keyboard players looks like a serial killer) Belgium - 6 points (unfair that the Swedish song that ripped them off in 2001 did so much better) Turkey - 7 points (I prefer this to Sebnem's Dinle the following year, which is also wonderful) Slovakia - 8 points (I know its not the among the best objectively but I really like it) Sweden - 10 points and finally... PORTUGAL 12 POINTS!!!! I was gutted for them that they did not win this year. It is a lovely - but admittedly old-fashioned - song. It would take another 21 for Salvador Sobral to give Portugal its first victory.
I did wonder about the audience leaving. I reckon it was the Norwegians being kept past their bedtimes. A shame The Voice got the prize, and quite convincingly too. Also totally agree about the Estonia keyboard player. Loved that song though!
@@thereorderboard I've actually only warmed to Estonia's 96 entry in recent years. I thought it was a bit schmaltzy before. Their 97 entry on the other hand....well, all will be revealed when you upload 97!
I don’t understand either how Belgium didn’t do so well yet Sweden rips it off and gets a top 5. Clearly there’s bias against some countries...though the fact Sweden were able to sing in English probably made the difference.
I can’t imagine how much work this must have involved. I really love how the top 5 is done. A few thoughts on this contest from me: - What’s a Ceefax? 0.29 ;) - Terry refers to it the 44th contest 0.33 - That tree at 0.46 is an interesting shape - Terry seems as shocked as anyone Germany was relegated 1:10 - Despite her grumpy face here, I met Queen Sonja when she visited Ireland in 2006 and she was very nice! - I don’t think the pre-selection did its job so well, there’s quite a few really poor songs here - I liked the song captions, with the artist name not appearing until well into the song - The success of Gina G in the charts compared with her Eurovision performance shows how out of touch Eurovision can be. She was terribly out of tune though - At the time I thought Ingvild was so rude and abrupt to the spokespersons, so different from the presenters who went before her. Now we could use her to keep the attention-seekers we’re stuck with these days in line! - Amazing how Cyprus was in 2nd place at the halfway stage, then saw its vote collapse - Funny how many things tried out this year didn’t last: the rebranding as “Eurosong”, the good luck wishes from politicians and the VR voting - I fear this is a stupid question, but was the stunt with the Norwegian spokesperson planned? I guess so...but back then there were really strict EBU rules that a country couldn’t know how the vote was going until they’d voted. I wonder how they got comfortable
Queen Sonja gets around doesn't she?! I felt she might have been thinking 'why am I here for ANOTHER one of these?' just as the cameras settled on her face :-) Great points here too, and yes, this board is so interesting for it's climbers and fallers! The spokesperson thing is such a good point - I've noticed that it's not every year that they emphasise the rules around spokespeople not hearing how the voting is going. The stunt was almost certainly planned, a production like this doesn't allow for many surprises and the camera angle on the chair was far too low to frame a person sitting on it. At least with the VR, she could have been kept away from the scoreboard itself and wouldn't have seen anything when she walked into the blue room without peering into a monitor (Especially with the design of the board being so small).
@@thereorderboard the Fr Ted episode about Eurovision also calls it Eurosong ‘96, in fact they never actually mention Eurovision at all. Obviously to avoid any issues, but then it ended up being called Eurosong ‘96 anyway! Making Fr Ted look very on the ball...
@@thereorderboard my assumption has been the same- she was somehow kept from seeing what was going on. Also possible that Norway’s position in the running order helped, as they were halfway it was probably felt they couldn’t influence things too much- had they been voting later it might not have been permitted. I must admit, I don’t think Frank Naef would ever have allowed it!
@@thereorderboard People, what are you talking about??? It was a common secret that the juries were actually watching the results process absolutely normally as common people did at home.
One of only two justified Irish wins in the 1990s (1993 and this one). For those who were too young in the mid 90s, "World music" was a big thing and I'm not surprised 1995 and 1996 winners had such songs. Hard to believe the difference between Ireland of the 1990s and nowadays.
Estonia and Portugal, my favourites. Don’t know how Spain got any points that was painful. Also the Spanish jury WTF how could you give that abysmal Belgian entry 12 points! As Terry Wogan said “There are some jurors out there who don’t have 4 oars in the water” 😂
The most hilarious moment that this eurovision edition enjoyably delighted was the Norwegian entrepreneurical spokesperson left the chair empty and she appeared alongside with the presenter. Really enthusiastic
My beloved Irelands last win.😢 oh how I wish we could even qualify for the final on a regular basis now. Still.....very proud of my countries eurovision history.❤😊
Cities where the points were awarded from this year (all juries used English unless otherwise stated) Turkey: Ankara United Kingdom: London Spain: Madrid Portugal: Lisbon Cyprus: Nicosia Malta: Valletta Croatia: Zagreb Austria: Vienna Switzerland: Zürich (French) Greece: Athens (French) Estonia: Tallinn Norway: Oslo France: Paris (French) Slovenia: Ljubljana (French) Netherlands: Hilversum Belgium: Brussels Ireland: Dublin Finland: Helsinki Iceland: Reykjavík Poland: Warsaw Bosnia & Herzegovina: Sarajevo Slovakia: Bratislava Sweden: Stockholm
@@herrprofessor The maps shown on screen always mentioned the capital and not necessarily the voting city (like the Netherlands' map had Amsterdam and not the country's public broadcasting city Hilversum where Marga Bult gave the votes from). Do you have other proof that this year's Swiss jury was in Bern as opposed to Zürich as it was in 1950s and 1960s and 1994? Swiss televoting results in 1997-2004 were also announced from Zürich.
Great job but the scoreboard is wrong and it was corrected by EBU after the contest: Spain gave 6 points to the Netherlands, but Ingvild heard Poland instead of Holland! Can’t blame her but I wonder what the EBU scrutineer was doing...
It was not Ingvild's fault, the spanish spokesperson was mumbling the countries names (she even said Czechoslovakia 2 points instead of Slovakia)! She was the same who messed up Spain's votes in both 1996 & 1998!
There is one thing I don't understand... Was Finland, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Slovakia destiny completly sealed... like regardless of their placement, except if they won, completly sealed?!
I wouldn't say that's true....it's hard if they've had a string of bad results - each would need to put in a healthy points haul to overcome the disadvantage. It does happen though, so it I guess it's not right to say they were done before they started. Of course, you could probably tell some of those entries weren't going to overcome it!
Gina G had the most catchy song but I don't think ESC was ready for it at the time. It's the only song out of every other song in the contest that you still remember to this day.
I think the issue was just that her vocals were off. The song was great, but listen to her, she's not able to keep the vocals strong during it. This was the last jury only year.
Many good songs this year. A shame the preselection let in some weak songs. this year in favour of better entries (such as those from Germany). My points for 1996: 1p 🇮🇪 Ireland 2p 🇨🇾 Cyprus 3p 🇧🇪 Belgium 4p 🇪🇪 Estonia 5p 🇲🇹 Malta 6p 🇬🇧 United Kingdom 7p 🇵🇹 Portugal 8p 🇦🇹 Austria 10p 🇸🇪 Sweden 12p 🇳🇴 Norway
LOL considering our lack of success in sports or Eurovision nowadays it's so incredible to see people get tired of us winning all the time hahahah. Man, I wish I was a little older just so I could have appreciated it at the time. By the time I was old enough, we never won again.
In my opinion: Germany deserved to be part of it that year. Spain, Bosnia, Slovakia, Iceland and Austria were dreadful. Greece, Switzerland, Slovenia were so underrated Norway deserved to win!
To me, the second best of all the great productions of Eurovision in the 90's. Ah! IF ONLY todays competitions were are orderly and well produced as this and the one in 98. Yep Europe, you really should vote for the BBC to produce your shows. Never mind if you want to vote for a country's Broadcaster to spend millions of money and spend thousands of hours and have sleepless nights to present a TV show good. The BBC will gratefully give you 3 hours of Prime Time on one Saturday night almost free of charge.
@@jamesb821 True but that's nothing new. Volare is one of the greatest selling Eurovision songs of all time and it didn't win, but the version that sold was Dean Martin's cover.
Italy didn't take part in 1996. In fact they didn't participate in 1994, 1995 or 1996. Germany submitted a song "Planet of Blue" for the audio qualifier, but that failed to quailfy.
Watching how they ruined UK I doubt Germany would have done any better with their song (although it was amazing). Eurovision wasn’t ready for contemporary Eurodance at the time. Funny that UK and Germany of all participants were the only ones entering contemporary songs. We‘ve seen what happend to that from 2000 on…
I've never cared for Terry Wogan live narrations. His idiotic and closed minded views discredited the contest live in front of the British public, who lost respect and interest in it (and thus had terrible results and a general lack of direction for more than 20 years).
Then again, many casual viewers of the ESC here in the UK keep making the point that Terry Wogan wasn’t necessary for them to dislike the ESC. Plus, I believe that Buck’s Fizz did much more damage to the UK’s reputation than Terry ever really did.
Ha ha that's totally my point! I think Terry is quite a slapdash, inaccurate and clumsy commentator at times. Part of the mission of this project is find concrete examples of where he stepped out of line, and they are very few and far between in truth. What he does do perfectly, is introduce something that is literally 'foreign' to a UK audience and navigate them through it in an accessible way. Yes, exasperation at the juries seems to be his favourite topic, almost to make the hour long process worth watching.
Portugal had their first ever top 5 finish snatched at the very last second!
Portugal should have had their first prize early enough as in 1971 with the song "Menina". After that Sobral's victory looks like a sad joke of the new age ESC.
@@irondasgr not to mention the fabulous Dulce Pontes in 1991 with Lusitana Paixão
@@gpmartino Dolce Puntes REALLY deserved a top 5 finish.
My top 5 would be:
1. France
2. Israel
3. Portugal
4. Sweden
5. Greece
And it was still their best result to date, and would be for another 21 years. Oof.
@@gpmartino Portugal should have been top-3 at least that year. It's a crime that it ended up 8th.
How great NRK has HQ uploads of its three hostings available on its website. More broadcasters should do this!
TVE has done it for their only hosting in 1969 as well.
@@mrjdsworld80 Denmark at least has the voting sequence from 2000
I hope Trondheim, Bergen or Stavanger Can Host If We Won Again.
More Cities That Could
Kristiansand
Kautokeino
Ålesund
Molde
Drammen
Lillehammer
Tromsø
Narvik
Bodø
Fun fact: the actual 1996 scoreboard didn’t show flags and was the first since 1984 not to do so.
I thought the 2000 scoreboard also lacked flags.
@@JeSuisRene doh! Yeah. Lack of sleep the last few nights. 2001 as well. I’ll edit my original comment - the bit about 1984 is correct.
@@mrjdsworld80 Yes. 2001 didn’t have flags on the scoreboard, but the upper-thirds that had the spokesperson had the flag of the country who were giving their points.
@@JeSuisRene both years, 2000, and 2001. lacked flags from scoreboard
@Miro Heinonen in that way?
43:29
"Czechoslovakia, 2 points"
right after "Eslovenia 1 point"
Noteworthy: Spain actually gave its 6 points to the Netherlands. She said "Holland 6 points", but Ingvild heard "Poland". It was corrected later by the EBU, which means the Netherlands acutally came 7th and the United Kingdom moved down to 8th place...
It was just laziness on the part of Belen not to correct Ingvild, hence the point of repeating back the scores
Another reason (amongst SO MANY from 1996) that televoting was way, way overdue.
Eurosong 1996, aka, the one that pissed everyone off. I love how you flipped the VR idea on its head and created a VR Studio instead of integrating it with the blue room. I know that NRK was showing off, but I give them credit they did a great presentation. Although, using all those graphics used so much power from those Silicon Graphics workstations that it made them forget how to add and the scoreboard lagged a bit sometimes. Also, the fonts & colors they used made the scores hard to see. I also agree with you on the juries completely missing the boat with Gina G. I mean, it was one of the few ESC songs to become a hit in the United States and I heard it growing up! For it to only get 8th (7th at the night), would be a slap in the face to the Brits. I would understand not winning, but being like top 3.
Personally, this was the year that Portugal should have won. Scraping by the pre-qualification round (it placed 18th) to winning the whole thing would have been the best underdog wins in ESC history, and possibly would have brought more viewers the following year. Ireland was an alright winner, but Europe had enough of Ireland winning (and winning by a mile) almost every year and the juries in general that ratings were going down fast. Also, having one of the largest contributors to the EBU & the contest and the EBU telling the Germans to f off didn't really help with rating either. Hence, the reason they introduced televoting in 97 for several countries...and the big 4 in 2000.
Anyway, amazing job with the scoreboard this year, and I can't wait for 1997! I'm pretty sure you'll figure out how to draw countries by the time you make the scoreboard for 1998.
Great comments! I felt the Silicon Graphics effort was undoubtedly impressive, although some odd choices were made. The chains and bolts were occasionally right in the foreground and were of quite low res quality for something so large and prominent, yet the flooring had intricate tile detailing on it. Conceptually it shows the tech is still new and people are unsure how to implement it - the whole idea is a little bit disconnected from the rest of the branding or the stage. But such a great idea to have maps, floating heads for the spokespeople (and this is only the third year we've seen them in vision), and shots of the green room all the way through at the back (Olso 2010 would spend a lot of money doing that in actual stage rigging form, of course!). The design of the scoreboard almost feels like a second thought, but it's size was important to show off the trick of walking in front of one panel and behind the other - technically very skilful, but probably a bit 'all the gear and no idea' on that one. Half the audience probably didn't notice it's significance.
Gina G song was a massive hit all over the world and here in Brazil too,she come to here and presented on the main television shows with this song.Is the first Eurovision song that i rememeber,but i didn't know Eurovision.I was to discovery on one year later.
@@thereorderboard in 2010,NRK was in a different situation.They don't had money and they don't planing to win the 2009 contest.They had afraid that what happened on Moscow and the size of contest was growed in 15 years.Due this,to financing the 2010 contest they had to sell all sporting events rights they have buyed for period of 2010 to 2012 for private broadcasters.
@@debonidaniel If they didn't plan to win with Fairytale they must be deaf and blind :P
It didn't help Gina G's chances that she's a shite live singer. If they'd gotten someone with a proper set of pipes that could've belted out the song with appropriate gusto then the UK would've been a real contender for the trophy.
I can totally understand as to why you created a brand new studio as opposed to integrating the scoreboard with the live show. But by goodness you did an outstanding job. Full marks!
general consensus from everybody here on the comments is eurosong 96 was the year in everything (for want of a better word) f***ed up! And I for one totally agree looking back on it.
For starters, if televoting had been introduced many years earlier for certainly most countries, the majority of the European public would no doubt have gone for UK to win. Argue all you like about how Gina was off key and we we're in a unwinnable starting position (no one has won from being second up). But this definitely miffed a lot of Europe that the scoring was all over the place. More so in recent years.
Be you any money Germany would have done far better if they had qualified. Not a winner, but certainly top 10.
I would go on about everything else involved, but there are others on here that speak it better than I could. Honestly can't wait for 97 now. Top job as always man!
P.S. The UK entry was the first record I ever bought 😂
Thanks Jamie!
44:00:
Spanish woman - “Holland, 6 points.”
EBU - “Nah, we’ll give them to Poland.”
Nobody notices.
She didn't correct her though, it was 100% Belen's fault. She read almost half of the names as if she starred in an Almodovar's pelicula.
She also said Czechoslovakia hahaha
A few spokespersons had said "Holland" in the 70s or 80s when referring to the Netherlands, but fortunately Poland was still in the other side of the Iron Curtain back then.
I liked it when the Spanish jury awarded points to Slovenia but pronounced it Eslovenia. In 2001, this definitely caused big confusion.
Absolutely amazing job as usual, you're so freaking talented, it's just stellar.
Fabulous! Thanks a bunch! Keep up the wonderful work, please!
Great work mister. This is the best scoreboard you upload it here. Thank you for all this things you done.
This is amazing! What a great production... congratulations on making this excellent video. Technically brilliant.
I've watched this in full 3 times now, and will continue to do so. My Eurovision voting obsession is truly grateful, thank you! The footage is such a good quality. Amazing work!
#justiceforginag
These Scoreboards are just such amazing work for me as a Eurovision and Statistics nerd and for many others too.
I hope you'll continue doing them! ❤
I'm currently on a journey to watch every Eurovision and I just finished watching this one, your board included of course! I have to say, this is one of the best scoreboards I've seen from your channel. Can't imagine the amount of effort and time put into this one. Thank you so much for this and all of your other work, it's made the scoring so much easier to watch.
It was almost always in 2nd place but Portugal was outside the top 5 at the last second. Impressive!
This was really enjoyable to watch, thank you very much
A pleasure!
You're doing such a good job with these scoreboards! I love your channel!
Awesome, you're superating every time that you make those magnificent reorder boards, WOW 😲. GREAT JOB ONCE AGAIN!!!!
Really a great work.
I like Ingvild and Morten. Ingvild nudging Sweden about the historical lack of points (especially since Sweden notably didn't vote for "Nocturne" the year before) was funny.
Remember 1966 when every Nordic country gave Sweden 15 out of the 16 points that got them in 2nd place. And Sweden did not give Norway any points yet them placed 3rd with 15 points. It was bad.
@@nadirhajjour I think those early years were what really poisoned Nordic countries to the idea of neighborly voting. Nowadays, there’s a vibe that Nordic countries have to earn points from their neighbors (I think even the other Nordic countries were more muted in their jury points to Dance You Off compared to other countries for instance).
@@SuperJNG18 haha yes youre right. Remember in 1963 Denmark won and Sweden, Finland and Norway all shared last place with 0 points LOL
Yay! So glad it’s here. Can’t wait to take a look once I’m done with my day job :)
This is absolutely awesome 👌😍
Another great board you have there! I appreciate the hard work you put into making another room; I also like how you indicated songs that could potentially get relegated (though under the 1997-2000 system, it looks a bit messy).
1996 is pretty much an acquired taste in terms of songs, not unlike that in 1995. If one likes the ethereal, ethnic-influenced songs that permeated the 1990s (especially with the top three), it's a good year! If one is looking for something like "Ooh, Aah, Just a Little Bit", then they will have to wait a few more years when the televote is instituted to get more modern songs. With that, I'd imagine that this represented the nadir of Eurovision in terms of popularity, especially with the image of the fans leaving when they realized Ireland had won it again. When the eighth place song does better commercially than the winner, something has gone awry.
The production, on the other hand was solid--the oil money was put to good use! I like Ingvild as a host; she was bubbly and it made for some good viewing. The postcard concept was good too!
1 pt - FRA: I was torn between this, Belgium, and Finland for the final spot in my top ten. I also grew to like Croatia and Austria's entries since watching it. I was put off by how slow it is (which is one reason why it bombed), but the serenity and the use of the Breton language grew on me enough to give it a place in my top ten (along with my Francophilia, haha).
2 pt - POL: My third favorite Polish entry ever! Kasia puts a lot of heart in this dramatic ballad, and i could feel her pain with the music. But the best is still yet to come for Poland...:)
3 pt - NOR: I thought this was the weakest of the top three, because it felt kind of linear in progression. But it's so pure and heavenly.
4 pt - GRE: A bit weaker than their songs from 1992, 1993, and 1995, but still pretty good! It does remind me of springtime a bit.
5 pt - EST: This was originally a spot ahead, but then I kept forgetting that it exists within the top five. I do enjoy it, though--good build and the duo's voices work really well.
6 pt - PRT: Portugal's highest placing until 2017, and it was well-earned! Very welcoming and fun, and it certainly reminds me of summer. If I remember clearly, this came in 18th in the audio-only pre-qualifying round, so its sixth place on the televised show could be attributed by Lucia's and the orchestra's talent!
7 pt - GBR: The very modern bop that we all needed. It deserved all its commercial success and its Grammy nomination. Critics would go for how Gina's vocals weren't the best, but I didn't notice them at all--I was too busy dancing, that's all. :)
8 pt - TUR: Sebnem Paker's first appearance, and Turkey's highest point total to date (thought they placed 9th in 1986). It reminds me of a quiet fall day, filled with melancholy and introspection. At one point, it looked like Turkey's average would be too low to participate in 1997, which piqued me. Imagine a world without Dinle...that would be a shame.
My top two are very much even in terms of my liking for them; they are both ethereal with some really good vocals! No matter what, they are my favorite entries from their respective countries. I keep going back and forth on them, but here we go...
10 pt - SWE: When I listened to this for the first time, it felt like I was plopped into a folk legend! The lyrics told a story, and the instrumentation created a winter wonderland. In addition, Nanne and Maria's vocals work well together, adding to the enchantment of the song. It was curious to see how despite winning the pre-qualifying round by a lot, it took a while before they got into third place. But...
12 pt - IRE: I felt like The Voice was more grounded in the country, both in the lyrics and the sound. A bit repetitive with "I am the voice..." yes, but it conveys a story of beauty and suffering all at once. Very much a spring song, it wouldn't be what it is without Eimear's angelic vocals. Breathy, but conveys the story well.
P.S. If I had to switch out any of the songs here for any of the NQs, I would switch out Spain and Iceland for Germany and North Macedonia. Planet of Blue is a total bop and Samo ti is super melancholic, and Kaliopi adds some really good vocals there.
u're amazing.. thanks a lot for this perfect thing/idea
Another beautiful contest. Sweden was one of the big favourites to win, but a third through the voting had only had a meagre 4 points from Portugal and was #19. Finally after Austria's 10 points (of which another 10 would follow from Estonia & Belgium and 12 points from Ireland) they eventually ended 3rd. I can't remember having witnessed a similar jump before or after in the days of jury-voting only.
I´m really impressed, great job
Great work. The soreboard is wonderful, better than the real eurovision song contest ever.
I did wonder how you gonna do that one! Let''s watch!
EDIT: Really liked it! I really like your idea for the studio, I think that might even have been the only way to go with this one. Brilliant!
Thank you so much
I am certainly hyped for the 1997 one. Even though it could be similar to both 1994 and 1995. I wish the reorderboard: Eurovision channel all the best for the next video!
So am I - I cannot wait!!
Thanks Z-Avatar! I'll be dropping 1997 as soon as I can!
@@thereorderboard , all the best for your next project!
For sure; 1997 is one of my favorite years ever!
Another stellar job indeed, with your write-up being massively insightful as always. Really liking the VR-ception of this concept: a VR stage in a VR stage! And being true to form with the orange and grey (sans golden yellow) colour scheme of 1996.
Interesting noting the power and finances NRK had for this undoubtedly groundbreaking idea back in 96, and of course the familar 'Playstation-esque' graphics with the nut and bolt flying through at random.
Not including what must have been a significant amount of time setting up the design, did this take much longer to do and create vs your other boards? It seems/feels it'd have been on the same range as your Eurovision 1991 scoreboard which had other 3D elements in there but just expanded, but this - as is the case with each of your fantastic iterations - has raised the bar with all the little pleasant details. Fab work!
And yes, Gina G also takes me back to school discos and the glorious sound of the 90s (bar Britpop coming through)... good times 😄
Great upscaled footage too. 2020 has been a year of the emergence of restored quality to these pre 2000s contests (not entirely from EurovisionAgain though they've been a great movement and distraction this year!)
Looking forward to the dark and moody / X-Files-esque / younger (Boyzone!) vibes of 1997!
Fun fact: at the time, Finland's 9 points was a record number of points for a last place finish (excluding the 1971-73 system). This record would stand until the 2008 Final (or the 2005 semi-final, if you want to be pendantic).
That's not a fun fact, Brendan - that's awesome!
And now you have 2018, where Portugal managed a not-embarrassing 39 points.
@@SuperJNG18 However, considering that each country awards two sets of votes since 2016 (though 2018 is the only year that the last place score was THAT high), Portugal 2018 received 3,87% of possible maximum points. Finland 2009 received 4,47% of possible maximum, and is therefore the last place song with the best relative score. Before 2018, it also had the last-placers record on absolute points (22).
A few other things I couldn’t fit in the description:
- Corrections: Yes yes, we all heard it. Holland is not Poland. Only English spoken in a European accent would cause that confusion of course! Not sure why Belén Fernández de Henestrosa (cool name) wanted to award a Dutch province those points, or that Czechoslovakia were on the stage! Anyway, it means the Dutch finished 7th, the UK 8th and Cyprus 9th. I may have to revisit whether the boards should be corrected another time, but for now, I’m sticking to the broadcast.
- If you're really enjoying this channel, consider following it on ko-fi.com/thereorderboard for the price of a coffee! Design updates and some behind the scenes vids available!
- I think we see the best and worst of Wogan this year. He was great commentating on the interval, and the breaks, keeping his sharp wit aimed at the slightly awkward green room exchanges. Haven’t seen anything as slick as Hans Van Willigenburg in the 1980 green room, yet. I think this is the first time we’ve seen one half of the presenting duo head to do that role? The worst of Wogan? Well there was probably some clumsiness in referring to the Dutch entrants as ‘Ruby Wax and OJ Simpson’. Simpson was acquitted the previous October and was probably the most famous black male on the planet at this time - he would have been on people’s minds but not in a positive light at all. Maybe it’s not an issue but it didn’t feel right to let it hang in the video without comment. As with most things like this with Wogan, the truth lies nearer to ignorance than malice.
- The first time we’ve seen maps involved in the scoring sequence. This will become and increasingly difficult issue for me in the years to come!
- Although the same name does appear in the credits, associated with the VR studio…I was 9 at the time and not in Oslo. No, I’m not going to say this studio could’ve been designed by a 9-year-old - that would be mean.
- Absolutely loved a new selection of countries being near the top of the board (at least for the first half)! I haven’t gone through all the stats, but this was Portugal’s best year so far, the same for newbies Croatia & Estonia and a second best placing for Turkey (1991 was also 12th, and 1986 was 9th…the best was yet to come for them). Although Cyprus spent a lot of time at the top of the board at the beginning, it ended up holding it’s 1995 position.
- That fact about Lúcia Moniz (POR) being in Love Actually film!
- Ooh Aah remains a big childhood song for me. Junior School discos and all that. I think Gina G coming 8th helped to solidify in the UK’s public consciousness that Europe and the UK are operating on slightly different levels. This was only the second UK Eurovision non-winner to get a UK number 1. I think the first was in 1961! I think you can read that several ways, but I think the juries missed the boat on it, but I understand that some of the vocals weren’t amazing. Of course, the small number of UK entries that even get a Top 10 in the UK charts probably says more about the UK’s attitude than it does the Europeans’.
- Gina G raises Australian participation too. She joins a couple of members of the New Seekers, Olivia Newton-John, and a member of the Shadows (1975) as a small bunch from Down Under who’ve trodden the Euro-stage.
- It looks like France, Spain and possibly Switzerland were the big regulars that got the most out of the new relegation system - they would have been dropped under the old system. Of course, Bosnia got a reprieve with Israel pulling out in 97.
Is there a case the countries in the scoreboard to change in English?
@@giannis93FUL Hi, I know you regularly comment on this :-) I'm doing the boards in their host languages to do something different. I don't know if you want the names to animate to English, or whether you think they should be in English when I build them. For now I'll be continuing with the language thing, as I think a lot of viewers enjoy it. Of course, I know that after 1991 English became the default language for graphical elements of the show. I've always thought that was a shame - it doesn't help us English speakers pick up new skills!
Yeah, Belen had very confusion. In Spain traditionally say Holland to the Netherlands, and today is still said. But I think that in 90s were more acceptable than now. And finally in Spain the older people and young people in 90s don’t know how to talk in English because French was the foreign language learned in schools in the past. This is good to understand my country
@@thereorderboard I said it because it is not convenient. English is spoken all over the world.
Thanks for the explanation! Although, I don't understand how she said Czechoslovakia instead of Slovakia even though that country broke up 4 years before by that point. Most likely she was just nervous.
As for those who avoiding relegation by switching from lowest placing to 5 year averages definitely saved France, Spain & Switzerland's butts from relegation. It was their high scores in 1993 (France & Switzerland), and 1995 (Spain) that got them to participate the following year. Although, I wouldn't be surprised the if the EBU floated the idea of using the 1994 relegation system, but it would have been a PR and ratings disaster to have France & Spain (and possibly Germany) be relegated for ESC 1997.
Elisabeth Andreasson won in 1985 with the worst score of a winning song and eleven years later made history again with the best ever placed song without a 12 points.This record is still today.As Carola in 2006 breaked the record of the higest score,she finished in 4 place,but the format of the contest have changed in 2004.
Thank you so much! After you finish doing all the old eurovisions with the old scoreboard (Thank you so much for that by the way! I know it takes a lot of work), do you ever plan on doing something like doing the complete televoting scores for say, 2019. I think it would be interesting for some of the voting that we never got to see in full. Thank you again!
Thank you for watching Thomas! One step at a time with the requests, but I am taking note!
Thomas, another people made this on youtube.I did't remember the accont,but they made it.They make the televoting results and the juri isolated results beetween 2009 to 2015.The televoting alone on this period and the current voting style too.And since 2016 they made the voting with the old two systems.You could search Eurovision old voting system and you be find.Is cool and some things could surrender you...
@@thereorderboard can i do this scoreboard with programme?
Awesome!!!
This is absolutely great job what are you doing. Looking better then in the original version. Thank you very very much. This is for 12 points ;) I know it's too much for ask but is there any possibility to make some step by step tutorial for us who don't have any clue about vizrt, programming and modern technology? Many of us watched your 1996 special edition and, believe me, we have no clue what you doing there.
Spain giving 2 Points to "Czechoslovakia" 😂
1996 scoreboard still amazes me, I wish they did something like that again.
Unfortunately it's all done with the same software these days, albeit with a few tweaks each year.
"A ‘97 show in Tallinn, Stockholm or even lovely Ljubljana felt possible" - Slovenia was never remotely close to winning the contest.
for me, the contest should have moved to either Vienna or Stockholm or stayed in Oslo.
Thanks for pointing that out Adams II....I must have missed that fact during the 6 times I ran through the entire voting sequence! Actually I just felt it was great entry - one I enjoyed anyway.
Neither ETV or RTVSLO have money and venues to take it.Did you know that the fact of the Saku Surhaal was finished in 2001? Estonia had lucky to win the 2001 contest,but they are unluck to pay,as ETV don't had the money at the time.
Did you mean Zagreb instead of Ljubljana? It did look like Zagreb ‘97 for a while.
None of the 96 entries sounded like winners
Non of the winning 7 irish songs are remembered today . But you can allways listen to Gina G's " ooh aah just a little bit " time to time in the radio .
My voting for 96:
United Kingdom - 12 points
Norway - 10 points
Ireland - 8 points
Sweden - 7 points
Slovenia - 6 points
Croatia - 5 points
Estonia - 4 points
Greece - 3 points
France - 2 points
Poland - 1 point
morten got better with age. great singer and presenter :)
A lovely recap and genius idea to create your own virtual studio - well done! The only improvement I would make is to indicate which songs are the favourites with a larger text, as it was rather small for my liking.
On the subject of favourites, for 1997 Terry mentions how the favourites were Ireland and the United Kingdom, followed by Italy, Estonia and Germany. I’m not sure if your research will bring up different findings though?
Agreed about the text size - I was at the end of my tether with how complex the studio was and somethings slipped a bit. There wasn't really clear data for 96 and 97 from my usual source, which in part explains the smaller text for this one.
@@thereorderboard No worries about it, it was a marvellous production overall! From the favourites I’ve gathered:
year - source - favourites
1997 - Terry Wogan (BBC) - Ireland and UK, Italy and Estonia, Germany
1998 - Pat Kenny (RTÉ) - UK, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Poland
Again thank you and again, great scoreboard display. I liked the flags of the leading countries behind the screen.
So 96 warrants another rant from me. Firstly, this was the first time that I managed to record the contest so in the following year, I became well-versed with this particular contest. So much so I became jaded with it and I don't care much for it even though it is a great production. And now the rant: I am Irish. I was furious that The Voice won. At the time I was just fed up with us winning (god be with those days!) all the time and I felt that the people visually walking off during the reprise signified a disdain for Ireland in Eurovision. While it is one of the better songs, I think there are other songs which are better. I also think that Croatia, Austria, Malta and (to a lesser extent) Netherlands were overrated whilst others were underrated as can be seen in my top ten:
United Kingdom - 1 point (the best of the rest - I am indifferent to it really)
Netherlands - 2 points
Greece - 3 points (great song - it would have been 3rd place - but the choreographer should be charged with treason)
Norway - 4 points (lovely song but not quite worthy of 2nd place in my eyes)
Estonia - 5 points (the keyboard players looks like a serial killer)
Belgium - 6 points (unfair that the Swedish song that ripped them off in 2001 did so much better)
Turkey - 7 points (I prefer this to Sebnem's Dinle the following year, which is also wonderful)
Slovakia - 8 points (I know its not the among the best objectively but I really like it)
Sweden - 10 points
and finally...
PORTUGAL 12 POINTS!!!! I was gutted for them that they did not win this year. It is a lovely - but admittedly old-fashioned - song. It would take another 21 for Salvador Sobral to give Portugal its first victory.
I did wonder about the audience leaving. I reckon it was the Norwegians being kept past their bedtimes. A shame The Voice got the prize, and quite convincingly too. Also totally agree about the Estonia keyboard player. Loved that song though!
@@thereorderboard I've actually only warmed to Estonia's 96 entry in recent years. I thought it was a bit schmaltzy before. Their 97 entry on the other hand....well, all will be revealed when you upload 97!
I don’t understand either how Belgium didn’t do so well yet Sweden rips it off and gets a top 5. Clearly there’s bias against some countries...though the fact Sweden were able to sing in English probably made the difference.
I can’t imagine how much work this must have involved. I really love how the top 5 is done.
A few thoughts on this contest from me:
- What’s a Ceefax? 0.29 ;)
- Terry refers to it the 44th contest 0.33
- That tree at 0.46 is an interesting shape
- Terry seems as shocked as anyone Germany was relegated 1:10
- Despite her grumpy face here, I met Queen Sonja when she visited Ireland in 2006 and she was very nice!
- I don’t think the pre-selection did its job so well, there’s quite a few really poor songs here
- I liked the song captions, with the artist name not appearing until well into the song
- The success of Gina G in the charts compared with her Eurovision performance shows how out of touch Eurovision can be. She was terribly out of tune though
- At the time I thought Ingvild was so rude and abrupt to the spokespersons, so different from the presenters who went before her. Now we could use her to keep the attention-seekers we’re stuck with these days in line!
- Amazing how Cyprus was in 2nd place at the halfway stage, then saw its vote collapse
- Funny how many things tried out this year didn’t last: the rebranding as “Eurosong”, the good luck wishes from politicians and the VR voting
- I fear this is a stupid question, but was the stunt with the Norwegian spokesperson planned? I guess so...but back then there were really strict EBU rules that a country couldn’t know how the vote was going until they’d voted. I wonder how they got comfortable
Queen Sonja gets around doesn't she?! I felt she might have been thinking 'why am I here for ANOTHER one of these?' just as the cameras settled on her face :-) Great points here too, and yes, this board is so interesting for it's climbers and fallers! The spokesperson thing is such a good point - I've noticed that it's not every year that they emphasise the rules around spokespeople not hearing how the voting is going. The stunt was almost certainly planned, a production like this doesn't allow for many surprises and the camera angle on the chair was far too low to frame a person sitting on it. At least with the VR, she could have been kept away from the scoreboard itself and wouldn't have seen anything when she walked into the blue room without peering into a monitor (Especially with the design of the board being so small).
Also, yes, Eurosong also being dropped! Worth noting that Kvalifikacija za Millstreet also referred to 'Eurosong 93'
@@thereorderboard the Fr Ted episode about Eurovision also calls it Eurosong ‘96, in fact they never actually mention Eurovision at all. Obviously to avoid any issues, but then it ended up being called Eurosong ‘96 anyway! Making Fr Ted look very on the ball...
@@thereorderboard my assumption has been the same- she was somehow kept from seeing what was going on. Also possible that Norway’s position in the running order helped, as they were halfway it was probably felt they couldn’t influence things too much- had they been voting later it might not have been permitted. I must admit, I don’t think Frank Naef would ever have allowed it!
@@thereorderboard People, what are you talking about??? It was a common secret that the juries were actually watching the results process absolutely normally as common people did at home.
I think this was a strong year.... many good singers unlike previous yearsss
One of only two justified Irish wins in the 1990s (1993 and this one).
For those who were too young in the mid 90s, "World music" was a big thing and I'm not surprised 1995 and 1996 winners had such songs.
Hard to believe the difference between Ireland of the 1990s and nowadays.
So proud to see my country having a song that has enough power to get 12 points from Cryprus...FROM CYPRUS!!!!
Don‘t mind me. I am just liking this video.
This host was incredible!
Estonia and Portugal, my favourites. Don’t know how Spain got any points that was painful. Also the Spanish jury WTF how could you give that abysmal Belgian entry 12 points! As Terry Wogan said “There are some jurors out there who don’t have 4 oars in the water” 😂
The most hilarious moment that this eurovision edition enjoyably delighted was the Norwegian entrepreneurical spokesperson left the chair empty and she appeared alongside with the presenter. Really enthusiastic
Morten Hurket has one of the greatest voices in the whole planet.... it is simply stunning
Aaaah pity, you didn't immediately correct Spain's 6 points to "Holland" :-).
My beloved Irelands last win.😢 oh how I wish we could even qualify for the final on a regular basis now. Still.....very proud of my countries eurovision history.❤😊
3:05 thanks so much orchestra
Gina G will have sucess in the charts with that song
I didn't knew Czechoslovakia participated as well! A shame it only got 2 points during the night... (43:29)
Cities where the points were awarded from this year (all juries used English unless otherwise stated)
Turkey: Ankara
United Kingdom: London
Spain: Madrid
Portugal: Lisbon
Cyprus: Nicosia
Malta: Valletta
Croatia: Zagreb
Austria: Vienna
Switzerland: Zürich (French)
Greece: Athens (French)
Estonia: Tallinn
Norway: Oslo
France: Paris (French)
Slovenia: Ljubljana (French)
Netherlands: Hilversum
Belgium: Brussels
Ireland: Dublin
Finland: Helsinki
Iceland: Reykjavík
Poland: Warsaw
Bosnia & Herzegovina: Sarajevo
Slovakia: Bratislava
Sweden: Stockholm
The Swiss jury was actually based in Bern.
@@herrprofessor The maps shown on screen always mentioned the capital and not necessarily the voting city (like the Netherlands' map had Amsterdam and not the country's public broadcasting city Hilversum where Marga Bult gave the votes from). Do you have other proof that this year's Swiss jury was in Bern as opposed to Zürich as it was in 1950s and 1960s and 1994? Swiss televoting results in 1997-2004 were also announced from Zürich.
What does the "N" means (Belgium, Slovakia, Bosnia Herzegovina, Finland)?
I guess those are the countries that were in the relegation zone at the moment with the lowest average scores throughtout the most recent years.
These are countries that are in the Relegation Zone. Just in (hopefully correct) Norwegian.
@@thereorderboard when you do 1999 i can help you with the hebrew
@@SimsMoyal PLEASE
@@dramaticScar sure, tell me what you need i will gladly help you
How was Gina G only 8th, if this came out a few years later when televising was more widely used I suspect it would have been top 3!
Great job but the scoreboard is wrong and it was corrected by EBU after the contest: Spain gave 6 points to the Netherlands, but Ingvild heard Poland instead of Holland! Can’t blame her but I wonder what the EBU scrutineer was doing...
What a waste of time she was
It was not Ingvild's fault, the spanish spokesperson was mumbling the countries names (she even said Czechoslovakia 2 points instead of Slovakia)! She was the same who messed up Spain's votes in both 1996 & 1998!
The guy playing the piano for Sweden is Benny from ABBA's son
There is one thing I don't understand...
Was Finland, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Slovakia destiny completly sealed... like regardless of their placement, except if they won, completly sealed?!
I wouldn't say that's true....it's hard if they've had a string of bad results - each would need to put in a healthy points haul to overcome the disadvantage. It does happen though, so it I guess it's not right to say they were done before they started. Of course, you could probably tell some of those entries weren't going to overcome it!
@@thereorderboard I said this because of the r in their placements
My ranking from Turkey 🇹🇷
1-🇸🇪Sweden 12p
2-🇮🇪Ireland 12p
3-🇳🇴Norway 12p
4-🇫🇮Finland 12p
5-🇬🇷Greece 12p
6-🇧🇪Belgium 12p
7-🇭🇷Croatia 12p
8-🇪🇪Estonia 10p
9-🇲🇹Malta 10p
10-🇸🇰Slovakia 10p
11-🇵🇹Portugal 8p
12-🇬🇧United Kingdom 8p
13-🇸🇮Slovenia 7p
14-🇳🇱Netherlands 7p
15-🇵🇱Poland 6p
16-🇦🇹Austria 6p
17-🇨🇭Switzerland 5p
18-🇫🇷France 5p
19-🇧🇦Bosnia Herzegovina 5p
20-🇨🇾Cyprus 4p
21-🇮🇸Iceland 4p
22-🇪🇸Spain 1p
Gina G had the most catchy song but I don't think ESC was ready for it at the time. It's the only song out of every other song in the contest that you still remember to this day.
I think the issue was just that her vocals were off. The song was great, but listen to her, she's not able to keep the vocals strong during it. This was the last jury only year.
3 ❤ songs: Belguim,UK,Ireland.
The real Bosnian flag here at this show
Netherlands had 78p. In stead of 72!
Many good songs this year. A shame the preselection let in some weak songs. this year in favour of better entries (such as those from Germany). My points for 1996:
1p 🇮🇪 Ireland
2p 🇨🇾 Cyprus
3p 🇧🇪 Belgium
4p 🇪🇪 Estonia
5p 🇲🇹 Malta
6p 🇬🇧 United Kingdom
7p 🇵🇹 Portugal
8p 🇦🇹 Austria
10p 🇸🇪 Sweden
12p 🇳🇴 Norway
LOL considering our lack of success in sports or Eurovision nowadays it's so incredible to see people get tired of us winning all the time hahahah. Man, I wish I was a little older just so I could have appreciated it at the time. By the time I was old enough, we never won again.
I never knew the UK song was "ew a just a little bit "
I am wondering whether Terry’s comments about the Turkish President surviving an assassination attempt were him joking?
I think they were true, as John Kennedy O'Connor also mentioned about this in his Eurovision Song Contest history book.
The Voice. Eimear Quinn. Are 7th and Las win in the Eurovision Song Contest. 🇮🇪
1:24:48 think you mean
Andre, Teedjeplass på Rad
Some strange voting from the UK jury here. Giving more to France than Ireland (who won)? Yeah, sounds right 😹!
58:03 what is opprykk and nedrykk?
It means promotion and relegation, as the arrows indicate. The flags represent countries coming back in 1997, and those relegated until 1998.
1:20:30 - The. Line. Of. The. Show.
EBU means European Union Broadcasting
Croatia ❤️🇭🇷
UK would have won if there had been telephone voting..
My favourite was Norway....🇳🇴 followed by Sweden then UK ....
Ps excellent scoreboards in these videos...
She was Crap Live.
1:17:09 and finally Ireland 12 points
44:00 6 points where fore the netherlands not poland
In my opinion: Germany deserved to be part of it that year. Spain, Bosnia, Slovakia, Iceland and Austria were dreadful.
Greece, Switzerland, Slovenia were so underrated
Norway deserved to win!
Máfia EBU.
What does the N mean?
Ingvild's a nice girl, isn't she?
🇳🇴
It was all going so well… and then Gina G opened her mouth. Ouch.
🇦🇱 ARDIT GJEBREA - EJA
To me, the second best of all the great productions of Eurovision in the 90's. Ah! IF ONLY todays competitions were are orderly and well produced as this and the one in 98. Yep Europe, you really should vote for the BBC to produce your shows. Never mind if you want to vote for a country's Broadcaster to spend millions of money and spend thousands of hours and have sleepless nights to present a TV show good. The BBC will gratefully give you 3 hours of Prime Time on one Saturday night almost free of charge.
1:08:05 12 points for the United Kingdom
I mean ... after Morten Hurkets voice there was really no need to watch the actual contest ...
Gina G was robbed!
I agree,UK & Belgium.
The song is great, but I think her vocals here weren't so hot.
@@occono3543 100% agree with you, still should’ve won in my opinion given how many copies it sold post contest.
@@jamesb821 True but that's nothing new. Volare is one of the greatest selling Eurovision songs of all time and it didn't win, but the version that sold was Dean Martin's cover.
The best song was Turkey in the musical sense.
1:20:20 🤣
Where are germany & italy?
Italy didn't take part in 1996. In fact they didn't participate in 1994, 1995 or 1996. Germany submitted a song "Planet of Blue" for the audio qualifier, but that failed to quailfy.
Watching how they ruined UK I doubt Germany would have done any better with their song (although it was amazing). Eurovision wasn’t ready for contemporary Eurodance at the time. Funny that UK and Germany of all participants were the only ones entering contemporary songs. We‘ve seen what happend to that from 2000 on…
I liked Ireland's singer's dress better than her song.
I've never cared for Terry Wogan live narrations. His idiotic and closed minded views discredited the contest live in front of the British public, who lost respect and interest in it (and thus had terrible results and a general lack of direction for more than 20 years).
Then again, many casual viewers of the ESC here in the UK keep making the point that Terry Wogan wasn’t necessary for them to dislike the ESC. Plus, I believe that Buck’s Fizz did much more damage to the UK’s reputation than Terry ever really did.
Ha ha that's totally my point! I think Terry is quite a slapdash, inaccurate and clumsy commentator at times. Part of the mission of this project is find concrete examples of where he stepped out of line, and they are very few and far between in truth. What he does do perfectly, is introduce something that is literally 'foreign' to a UK audience and navigate them through it in an accessible way. Yes, exasperation at the juries seems to be his favourite topic, almost to make the hour long process worth watching.