What Constitutes A Real Church?
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- čas přidán 16. 10. 2013
- From the Church Anarchist blog churchanarchist.com A short video contrasting the institutional concept of church with the idea of a church of believers having non-institutional gatherings yet still being a cohesive group, somewhat like a school of fish.
Finally a brother that is not afraid to kick modern Christianity's idol; a church building! When I try to communicate this same idea everyone I know looks at me as if I'm an alien or treats me like I'm an apostate!
Isn't that amazing? How did genuine Christian community WITHOUT buildings and corporate structures become the EXCEPTION, not the rule?
King James Krew don't we're brother u r a alein me to but we keep it real Good don't want your money he what's u to help your fellow brothers and sisters out anyway u can kind words if there hungry feed they need a place to crash so on so fort
@@amosmaclin4665 what do you mean, by "they need a place to crash"?
What shall I do? I'm having a headache right now... I think my heart broke. Should I tell our Head Pastor regarding the Biblical church? Where do I find a community of Believers that I can hang out with outside the prevalent Church system? Lord Jesus, please help me.... Believers, please help me.
@@edmarklowelldelossantos4952 Struggling with this myself, if you have found any answers, would you mind sharing?
I love your simple demonstrations of confusing issues. I've asked Christians for decades, "Did you go to family today?" Usually after asking me what church I go to. I've got an question in return one time. Sad.
I like that where you said: "What family do you go to? What time does family start? Look at that beautiful old wooden family." It makes a good point clear. One doesn't normally spend time with family just a very few allocated hours per week. We also read that church meets daily in the book of Acts. God's presence should be manifest when we meet as God's family which would also make us WANT to meet daily.
The problem is that church is immediately the wrong word for what is stated in the scriptures, which is ecclesia, which means congregation. People are added to the congregation or others in Christ upon conversion in Acts 1-3 and the head of the congregation is Jesus who is in heaven as of Acts 1. So membership is dependent not upon each other, but being in Christ, which connects them to others in Christ. Rom.12 and 1 Cor.12.
great way of communicating this Truth...Continue to create great Clips like these for theJESUSMovement in a new Era!!!!
I have found myself lost to men in this kind of thinking. I use to fit so very comfortably into my old thinking. But in these new revelations I have become a outcast amongst my traditional thinking friends. I have a hard time trusting and believing anyone. All my truths have become myths. I use to passionately knock on doors and lead bible studies for my so called church. But now I cry to God, In all these things I have done so much damage when all I ever wanted to do is bring Glory to Him. Please, please hear me. Don't teach anything unless you know it to be one hundred percent truth.
How do you fellowship with other believers? I don't go to any church but I feel like I'm in the dessert.
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If you have been led to believe you can't fellowship with God without people I suggest you listen to Aaron Budjen at living God ministries.
So if church is spritual family then you may need to do following:-
1. You have to leave your old family if your family members don't want to leave their old church building.
2. You have to stop giving your salary like any kind of earnings to your old family head , instead of that you have to handed over to the new spritual family members without fail.
3. You may need to leave your old family and join in new spritual family.
4.In your new spritual church, family members shuld share their properties and all kind of monthly earnings must be distributed to everyone according to their need.
5. Everyone should work for new spritual Church and get the financial share from church.
6. Offerings shuld be collected only for the purpose of helping other spritual church like you which is far away, not for your own spritual church and this offering shuld not to be continued, it's shuld start and ended, there should not be any kind of other offerings.
" If you are really wanted to make spritual disciples family as church which mentioned in bible then you can not make perfect without following our early church activities."
Amazing work. Excellent explanation of the difference between true Church and the IC. Bless you.
This is good, and very helpful.
That was meant in terms of where we’ve gotten today
Maybe I can use this to help my kids understand why we stopped going to …. Whatever that thing was.
your videos are spot on !!!
what a perfect explained video. thank you !
Thank you!
Bro........u r awesome..........and this vid is awesome-er! Peace!
exactly!
I see your point but historically the English word church is a deliberate mistranslation. It has never properly meant what the Greek word it has been used for means. A rule of the translators for the KJV was that the word church would be used instead of the word congregation, congregation being the word Tyndale used.
So the English word "church" has never properly belonged in scripture. It has always referred to a religious institution, even before the bible was translated into English.
I'd prefer people abandon the word church & use the best translation "assembly" instead. I know it won't happen but if you do read assembly in scripture in place of church there are dozens of reasons it makes scripture make more sense.
MIchael, yes you're quite right. What I was going for was really an attempt to illustrate how our CONCEPT of church has changed so I kinda took some liberties with the whole word thing because I didn't want this to be a word study video, per se. Originally I started off by talking about Ekklesia but that's such a big topic it really needs its own video (or videos). Hopefully the point still comes through without getting too muddied.
I whole-heartedly agree. The word church has too much baggage in an institutional way to communicate what ekklesia really means.
Absolutely Brilliant.
Thank you Brook! I sincerely appreciate that.
You're welcome my friend. I have an entire community of "Institutional Church Escapees" waiting for the next part in your hierarchy series. Keep up the great work!
I think ever one should watch this.
Hey dear brother here’s another thought you might compare church to a factory where you produce Christians
Hi Richard, may I download your videos and plays them on DVD to distribute. Not everyone here in South Africa has broadband access and would love for those people to see them as well.
Angelo, glad we were able to connect via email. Keep me posted brother.
Great! "Fishers" of men becomes more meaningful to me.
It would appear that Richard is a member of the church:) Thanx Brother.
Haha! Thanks Scott!
effective communication! Re: videos, very artsy and effective critiques. I agree with the video's messages… those which I watched.
Personally, I have moved on from critique and am fully focused on fruitfully forging an alternative way.
Forgive me IF I sound skeptical, but I find it is easy to critique others, it takes little courage to do so, especially by internet vs. face to face. So, when I see stuff like this, I have questions like...is this critic also fruitfully taking action. Can he/she/they show an alternative, have they sacrificed to live this out? Do they have a reality rather than theology?
I guess I am generally skeptical because so many do this out of pain caused them by the church. For example, "Simple Churches" in U.S., in my observation, tend to be filled with hurt and angry Christians who reject the Christendom church, yet rarely produce fruitfulness in terms of fulfilling the Great commission or commandments to love others as yourself.
I understand that and have empathy for that hurting heart.
The word you use in the title... "real" church betrays your angst and comes off arrogant. This minimises the credibility of your message.
Brett,
I'm glad you liked the videos (at least I think you liked them) though everything else in your comments is based on interactions you've had with other people... Not me. Just some food for thought.
Thanks though for watching!
Richard Jacobson Absolutely liked the videos (as said previously). I encourage you, as a critic, not to only "hear" the words of those who praise you. Good luck to you in all you wish to accomplish.
Thank you Brett for the feedback and thanks for taking the time to watch. I really do appreciate it. Hope you find the videos useful in conversations with others.
After second warning count them as heretic. Stop being so soft
Flies in the face of Mt 13:31-32. This IS another gospel for itching ears--this is the fruit of personal interpretation of the bible!
What?
Hi. Please explain. Im interested on you point here.
How so? The gospel message has not been altered. The concern that is being discussed the disconnect from the body of Christ.
So you say, but where two people have earnestly requested what you mean, you've avoided having any further communication. Rather you, like the Pharisees of Jesus' time, come express from indignation and leave, because you quote with nothing more than your imagination. Elkabong you are unable to back yourself with any valid arguments but rather simply want to feel like you stand with some authority. Are you not the fool, your lack of substance is pointing you out, as the shadow you stand casting.
Matthew 13
31 He put another parable before them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field. 32 It is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is larger than all the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches.”
Ok, so, how does anything said in this video fly in the face of these verses? I don't see it, but it wouldn't be the first time I'm overlooking something, so please explain it to us.