Psychology of Psychonauts | Ethics of Green Needle Gulch
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Psychonauts 2 largely follows the story of the original Psychic 6. After the Battle of Grulovia, all were damaged in some form or another. Neither of them being the same.
Before the beginning of the series and at the genesis of the Psychonauts, the original members spent their time in the Green Needle Gulch. While there, they performed experiments into the human psyche. Diving deeper than was safe to do so.
In this episode of Psychology of Psychonauts, we will discuss the morals and ethics of having such power over the human mind. Making permanent alterations is a task that even with the most well-being intentions can lead to disaster.
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One interesting thing to note is that the reason that those actions goes against the mission statement of the Psychonauts is because the mission statement of the Psychonauts was likely written in reaction to the fallout of those actions. Before those events, they were not an organization, they were a think tank, where this kind of experimentation would be expected
Makes sense to me
We only attempted to restrict the use of posien gas after it had been unleashed. @@GamingUniversityUoG
Also before Ford used the astrolabe on Maligula and Augustus all their previous experiments were on willing and consenting subjects. So while they probably went too far they didn’t really know that at the time as they were the initial pioneers into the field where everything was unknown. While a support structure was mentioned we don’t know what exactly it was though I doubt it was sufficient. I think the main problem was that they didn’t formalise their testing process before Ford broke his mind after they became famous. Or formally state a code of ethics (though they might have had a informal one the games don’t reveal save they all respected each other).
Good thing all that experimentation didn’t cause any meta psychological manifestations.
… What could be the limits of meta psychological physics in their world anyway?
Sort of like how OSHA was written in blood.
It should be noted that Lucretia did not intentionally drowned the people who were protesting, she made it rain in an attempt to disperse them, and the rain caused the dam to burst which killed everyone including her sister. It wasn’t her directly, causing a flood on purpose.
It was not until she realized she killed her sister that the Maligula complex emerged in full.
@@GamingUniversityUoG exactly and as I said, the death of her sister was an accident And it’s more than likely that the damn itself was poorly made, and there may have been pre-existing high water, and her rain meant to disperse. The protesters was just the straw that broke the camels back.
After playing Psychonauts 2 recently to 100% completion, I feel that if there is ever a Psychonauts 3, Otto should be set to be the next major threat.
Not only he's the only mind of the Psychic Seven we don't get to visit, but in the minds that we do and have a manifestation of him, they see him in a bad light. Not only that, but he was the first member to be recruited by Ford, and he was the one who brought Lucrecia to the team. Plus, after the battle, he was the only one that remained "normal" and got the spotlight, getting funding to create inventions, gather brains of agents to experiment with, and even wanting to create smaller versions of the Astrolathe for commercial use...
It really seems that throughout the story, he was in the background of events, building himself to be where he is so he could realize his vision, whatever it might be, and to an extent, maybe using his fellow colleagues and even be responsible for their tragedies to keep all the glory... There is a lot of space there for building him as a villain, as he doesn't even have much of a background shown from before Ford first found him.
With that being said, whatever the case may be, I hope there is a new game!
I could see it, or at least that he's a major cause of it somehow. We spend the entire game exploring most of them except for Otto who is basically only there to give you gadgets for exploration/completion/justify shops existing, invent the Astrolabe, and have a plot excuse as to why -they don't need to pay Jack Black for overworld lines- Helmut's brain is kept safe after all this time.
@@edfreak9001 true, but even something as simple as he providing the gadgets is relevant to him having ulterior motives, more than just being a game mechanic, as he says himself that what he provides is only supposed to be used by agents, not kids like Raz. So, he definitely used Raz to test them and see how they're handled on the field by someone inexperienced. So, if he's willing to test his creations like that, who's to say he didn't experiment with the rest of the Psychic Seven? His actions kept making life worse for everyone, while he gained his glory and funding, so it cannot be a coincidence. The same way that the events of the first game were recontextualized to have been started by a character of the second game, now they set up a framework for the story to continue, with some direction already hinted at.
One detail I noticed about Otto is he holds his necklace when using psychic powers instead of it coming from his head. It makes it feel like comparatively he is weaker than the others psychically but uses machines to compensate for that. Amplifying his power.
Not sure how that all fits into your thoughts but I felt it interesting to point out.
@GamingUniversityUoG I did notice that as well. It goes unexplained and without any context in the game itself, no one even commenting on it as far as I'm aware, so it's a detail about Otto's character that doesn't have.
But you are right, it feels the necklace is used to artificially amplify his psychic powers, and he is weaker than the others, with him being an expert in building psycho-reactive technology, as the game puts it, to channel his psychic energy, rather than having the mental power to do so himself like the others. It could be simply a representation on his character design, of him being a scientist and building machines and using one to channel his powers, but there can be more to that.
After doing a bit of research myself, I find that Otto could have a condition called aphantasia, and the necklace is an artificial "mind's eye", that he created to not only enhance, but actually be able to use, his psychic power, as he would not be able to create mental images in his head, and therefore be locked out of his abilities as a psychic, the necklace being a medium to bring them out. Which would also explain why we can't visit his mind in the game, this condition would make it that he either doesn't allow access to his mental world, or doesn't have one to begin with. And, the machines he creates can be seen as an embodiment of his thoughts and imagination, as through the drawing of blueprints and the building of machines that he embeds with his mental energy through the necklace, his "mind's eye", he manifests in the physical world what he cannot in his mind, his ideas brought to life in a more literal sense than the existence of creatures like censors, regrets, etc. This is shown in the machines he created when he was sad or hungry, or the camera that can take pictures inside the minds of others.
To sum up. Aphantasia would create a mental block that he cannot overcome, being then a psychic without actually being able to use psychic powers. So, he becomes a scientist, and invents psycho-reactive technologies to channel his mental energy outwards. He is then found by Ford, goes with him to mine psytanium which would be fundamental to develop his technologies, and takes the opportunity to further his research of the mind with the Seven, the Astrolathe being built so he could ultimately alter his own mind to unlock his full potential as a psychic. The foundation of the Psychonauts and the battle of Grulovia end up being mere side effects to his own goals, as the Psychonauts gave him funding and recognition, and from their foundation and the ethically dubious exploration of the mind they did on themselves, to the battle and its consequences up to the point where Raz appears and, with Otto's discreet but intentional aid, is able to "fix" everyone, all of it was data into the development of the Astrolathe. He had to stop when everyone else was too broken to continue after the battle, but he gathered dead agent's brains to continue his research on his own, and after the events of the game, having a conclusion to the Astrolathe's findings, he claims he's going to develop it further for commercial use, but "aesthetic changes in the mind" could mean getting rid of his condition rather than accepting it.
From this, there can be formed a foundation for his character development into an antagonistic role in a future story, going against the Psychonauts' and Raz's values on approach to mental health and acceptance of oneself, among other things.
I hope this all is coherent enough to understand, I tried my best to express my thoughts on the subject and they kept developing as I wrote...
@@perkasenior From what I'm understanding of your theory, I can see his mental world looking one of two ways. Option 1: it is wholly mechanical with no natural landscape, spare parts everywhere, and areas that are still under construction, as if the mental world itself is an unfinished prototype. This would naturally extend from his reliance on his inventions to channel his psychic energy, possibly even needing to use the PSI portal on the necklace itself to act as a bridge. Option 2: it is VERY sketchy, like a lower quality version of his blueprints. This could be a more direct display of the aphantasia, as being unable to clearly picture your own mind would show just how frustrated Otto has been for his entire career. Writing this reply, I'm picturing a way to blend the two ideas. After entering through the necklace, you enter the Machine Paradise, an extension of the necklace in his mind that produces the mental images needed for his psychic abilities to function properly. It's basically a factory with almost everything Otto could ever need, almost. Being an artificial construct, the Paradise needs to harvest psychic energy from outside to create these images, thus worker robots are periodically sent out into the Uncharted Wastes, a sketch-like landscape with no clear details but an abundance of psychic energy hotspots resulting from being unable to naturally focus it himself. It just so happens that Raz enters Otto's mind right as one of these expeditions is being organized, and after helping out with various functions, he gets drafted into it. How's that idea sound?
I just realized that lucrecia's hair when she's old looks like a tornado, possibly symptoms of the water tornado from the end of the game
The character designs are unreal. Love those cool details
That's what is called foreshadowing. Sorry for the nit pick, but great catch, even I didn't catch on.
Something important to this discussion is the fact that this experimentation was meant to imply hallcuinogenic drug use _(the IRL origin of the term "psychonaut")_ and it reminds me of the recent controversies that have happened in the field, particularly Roland Griffiths' research.
Long story short, Griffiths rigged his studies to try and create an abundance of positively reported spiritual experiences, creating a spiritual atmosphere, getting people's hopes up as much as possible, because he believed the increased understanding of human psychology granted by consistently reproducing spiritual awakenings in a laboratory setting could be incredibly important for humanity. The consequence however was he put his subjects' health second, infamously resulting in a man with a terminal illness getting a placebo, leaving when he realized he wasn't feeling anything, and committing suicide only a week later- Which he tried to brush aside as much as he could, only briefly mentioning it in the final version of the study as unrelated to their research.
IMO there's a lot of legitimate research to be done with a lot of these drugs, but a lot of the old school experimentation left a negative legacy, the result being that we aren't _actually_ that much closer to an understanding of if these drugs could be used theraputically. Much of that old school research was poorly documented, unsafe, unethical, or attempting to find the wrong answers
It's a good moral message for a game about entering people's minds, but I don't think that Otto Mentallis has learned his lesson yet. You might want to make a video about him, the other interns, and the Aquato family after you're done exploring the remaining mental worlds. You're videos have really helped me appreciate good character writing and what we can learn about a person's mental state from observing their behaviour. 🧐
Otto is an enigma to me. I fully think if we get more of this series he will be more involved somehow
Now that I think about it, In the first game, during Sasha's training, he shoots down a lamp that has the same design as the heptadome, considering it "disgusting". It's probably just a coincidence, but I like far-fetched theories.
Hope to see more of your analysis on Psychonauts!
For Sasha that same lamp appears in his memory vault. His mom had one before she died. Also it is implied somewhere that he worked in a Lamp factory. Haven't seen that myself but someone mentioned it. No verification though.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Yeah I confirm that it's in one of the vaults. Specifically when he is still a toddler.
@@GamingUniversityUoG If it really is the same design as the heptadome, it raises the question: "Is his father really his father?"
I think the similar design of the lamp and the heptadome might be just the idea that they come from the same time. That it was a trend and the heptadome was made when that design was still a trend.
@@headphoneheadache7667 True, assuming of course they are not exactly the same. It is just fun to think about
“To every man is given the key to the gates of heaven. The same key opens the gates of hell.
And so it is with science.”
― Richard Feynman
Amen to that.
I took Ford talking about opening doors they shouldn't to a collation to drug use. It felt like a strong connection to them being open mentally to the use of Acid and other drugs in the 60-80's to expand their minds but left them in a dangerous state.
I believe Schafer confirmed that this was what he was they were implying, they just couldn't make it explicit in an E-rated game when Ford was explaining the history of the group to a sweet, traumatized 10-year-old.
I'm excited for Cassie's Collection. It's one of my favorite minds in the game
I love her mind! Closest thing to how I imagine my own.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I picture my own mind as a large house, representing the way I compartmentalize things, but the layout of it is unstable, representing issues with remembering details.
The structure would be tricky to draw a proper map of, but identifying *which* room you've entered would likely be easier, being colored differently in ways that make boundaries between spaces very clear.
One room you enter would contain a few enablers, but no *traditional* enemies. It's in this room that you gain access to the Compartmentalization badge, which places a cube of mental energy around your target, allowing you to remove a problem enemy from the equation temporarily.
Alternatively, you can compartmentalize around yourself in order to isolate enemies nearby. Effectively acting as a large shield you can use to contain and coral enemies you're trying to fight.
As the mission goes on, you start returning to old rooms again, and begin to notice enemies that, if compartmentalized, could form a temporary staircase or bridge, allowing you to reach areas you couldn't reach previously.
@@GamingUniversityUoGI intentionally fragmented my own mine
But not like ford
More like a mosaic
Each a piece separate yet also one
Basically I turned portions of my own mind into a hive mind
Which is due to my “first mistake”
Basically I had really strong instincts like WAY to strong and I hurt people I cared about I scared myself and others my own subconscious was basically torturing me
And what did this 4-5 year old child do? He cut out the “tumor” and didn’t sinch up the holes
Causing me to lose proper connection to my own instincts as well as forcing me to eventually break my into 20 pieces but not like before while each piece was separate like a puppet on a string they were connected to us like a family with bonds closer than all others and a trust unbreakable every tear could be talked about every regret spoken without misunderstanding or lack of proper communication all understood the “perfect” family. And with my instincts making it 21
Some of the shards included
Horniness (like the whole thing all sixual gratification and and desires including but not limited to the desire for children as well as the desire to meet people to hook up was shoved there so as to not warp the others that what was happening. He was number 14)
Curious/the desire to know more/ duhreuicj (kinda but not really don’t have the words to explain it)
Then we have the second great mistake
Now before I say this I want you to understand that he is not the mistake and if you try to insinuate that I will be very unhappy with you
Basically we tried to make a piece with all of the good traits and none of the bad and this foolish 12-13 year old nascent eldritch horror thought he was good enough to do so
And he was but he wasn’t good enough fully and made one that has all the bad traits as well
His existence is not his fault we forced him into existence through our greed and shoved the worst parts about who we are into his core and bears our crimes to this day
He didn’t need to continue to exist we would have simply suffered some brain damage a short coma and lost the one good at everything we were all ok with him dying himself especially he didn’t want to exist if it meant torturing someone to do it but this few week old part of me refused and holds on every day despite all that pushes him down
There wasn’t supposed to be 21 just 20 but we love him all the same just as much as we love each and every single part of me
Gonna save Bob's Bottles for as long as you can, huh? :) I don't blame you, it's the segment I've been most looking forward to you covering! I do love Cassie's Collection, though. It has my favorite NPC voice lines, and Rikki Simons as the Archetype fills my heart with a great satisfaction paired to Richard Horvitz.
"The Psychonauts don't exist to help people, we give people the tools they need to help themselves." Those are words that were written in blood.
It honestly makes me wonder what Psychonauts actually do out in the world. They're portrayed as secret agents, fighting international threats, but whenever they talk about the ethics of how they use their powers, they come off more like therapists. Is assisting people in overcoming their trauma really something that comes up often in their normal line of work?
@@screamingcactus1753 I think their more like the MIB but not as extreme about their secrecy, otherwise they wouldn't be handing out pamphlets about their junior activities, they come to help when someone royally screws up with their powers or when a psychic threatens the peace or has some diabolical plan.
Sadly because humans are naturally vain, we almost never learn from our mistakes until it's too late and tragedy or catastrophe strikes. It's only after the tragedies that we take the steps to prevent it.
It really is kind of sad. I wish it was more common to figure things out before a problem emerges.
We are after all, and have always been, only animals. And those who ignore or suppress their own nature will inevitably find it working against them.
No wonder then that after all the years of beholding "Man above all else" as our supreme ideology we find ourselves unprepared when the lie finally faltered.
4:04 I remember learning that lesson the hard way, but with a iron instead
Ouch.
Fun thing about the video, is that for the entire video, a jazz version of, 'Aria of the Soul', is playing. Very neat touch
Nice ear.
I don't know if the experimentation performed there was really as bad as you say. Breaking something open *is* a valid way to learn about something- it's called reverse engineering. At least how I interpreted it, the game doesn't frame the experimentation itself as the problem, but rather the fact that Lucrecia left for war without waiting to get everything fixed up first. Green needle gulch was a safe place, it doesn't matter that they were left vulnerable since they couldn't be attacked to start with. There's all sorts of amazing stuff to be learned from those experiments, and the astrolathe was only used on those who were willing, it was only after everything went downhill that it was used to alter another by force. It's true that Maligula never would've risen if it wasn't for the experiments, but it's also true that she wouldn't have risen if Lucrecia hadn't run off so recklessly to help her home country, or if she had come back to the gulch afterwards instead of staying as minister of war.
I'm more focused on the actions taken to deal with the problem. Artificially changing the psyche of another believing that we know better how to deal with an issue rather than organically dealing with the trauma.
Im so glad to see you still update this series. I love your takes on this game and, of course, on other games. You take your time and cover each part you think is important! Xant wait for thw next one.
**Spoilers**
Hollis’ line about how Psychonauts don’t fix people gets an interesting mirror later when Gristol (inside Truman’s body) manipulates Raz and tells him to “fix Ford Cruller”. I like that little hint that something is wrong with “Truman” and also how it proves Gristol doesn’t really understand what the Psychonauts do.
I am here for all this analysis. Psychonauts is such a fascinating franchise, and while I will want a 3rd entry some day, there's always something new to think about regarding it. Thank you for shedding some fascinating light on something I love, including several things even I didn't think about. Man now I have a craving to 100% Psychonauts 2 again (not 1, that's really ridiculous XD)
AUUGH. I want Fatherland Follies SO BADLY! I have to wait so loooong. No video essayist has done that level justice.
The fact that a picture of Gristol is behind Raz as he's being measured up and you have to literally take his cutout down a peg.
The fact that the kids are singing LALALA like a child with fingers in their ears.
The fact that you have to literally 'return power' to the palace part of the ride.
The fact that the only part of the ride (his plan) left unfinished is the part where Grulovians lives in prosperity.
And im not even going to touch upon the politics implied in Make Grulovia Great One More Again, and how that symbolism interacts with Maligula. So many small details. And my favorite part is the eggroll, the only authentic part of his mind, where Raz has to do a balancing act, you hear the weight of proud choir and royal legacy that hangs in the balance. One slip and all of it goes down the drain. Gristol CANNOT accept that he's just Nick in the mail room now, so he has to construct an entire propaganda machine in his own mind to convince himself that he IS still special. The most tragic part is at the end of the ride the floor falls out and you're surrounded by an angry mob, deep down he knows, fears, that if he actually went back to Grulovia they'd tear him apart.
Fatherland Follies is a remarkable accomplishment. Anyway, this was my TEDtalk please leave from the-
1:20 "YOU RAPED MY MIND!!!!!"
-Doctor Light's (arguable) Character Ruination and him Realizing that he was Mind Wiped by the Justice League after attempting to assault someone close to them
It's a poignant video to make, but I would like to make an argument in favor of using the astralathe again: They aren't really trying to "fix" Lucrezia per se. I see it more as stabilizing her mental condition so that the Maligula persona is neutralized as a threat, to her and her surroundings. Which in turn should make her more open to treatment that is more in line with the Psychonauts mission statement. As things stand, Ford has stated multiple times that Lucy is in a delicate state at the moment, and if she is pushed enough her worse half could reappear.
I may just be full of it, but that is how I see it.
My interpretation of Ford and Raz's goal was to bury Maligula again using the same means that he uses the first time. Not actually dealing with the complex. The real Lucy emerging in the final battle and releasing the complex is properly dealing with it. My opinion though.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Which could only be done by weakening the the complex to the point where Lucy could take control of it.
Can you do a video about the interns? One of them Is Dogan's older sister
I'll see what I can do. Most of it will be pure speculation since we really don't have a lot to work on in terms of character work
@@GamingUniversityUoGBy the way, can you talk about the shadow selves in the Persona series?
@@GamingUniversityUoGand games you plan to cover?
I do plan to work on Persona someday. But not for a bit. If you want some now I'd check out Generally Break on YT. He is a friend who does Persona content.
I am curious if their actions were truly a negligent lack of ethical caution, or if that is hindsight; perhaps they didn't fully appreciate just how dangerous the things they were dealing with at the time were. like you said, they were the kid who doesn't realize that touching a hot stove means you get burnt... but was there anyone around who knew better, who could warn them that touching the hot stove was dangerous?
Sounds like lack of caution and not realizing the potential danger really are the same thing just using different words. Negligence can fully be accidental.
Absolutely no there was no one to warn them of the dangers. But after a while we should be able to anticipate problems before they arise. Not do anything recklessly until we get burned. I feel this whole situation was a learning experience for the Psychonauts which helped shape their mission statement moving forward.
I heard how much you loved jung psychology during the live playthough . Cant wait for the next video and to hear your breakdown!
Haha yeah next one is going to be a play ground. Cassie's mind has so much to go over it is ridiculous
Aw man, you're doing Cassie's world next? Not surprised seeing how much you loved that level but that also means several more months until we hear about Bob...
It's a lot of prep and research sadly. Especially with how sensitive the topic is for Bob in particular.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I would want nothing less than for these to be researched thoroughly.
oh no, the playlist ends here.. but I've got so much to learn!
yeah new psychonaut video
Regarding the irony of using the Astrolathe again despite it going against the modern Psychonauts objectives, I believe it's a case of "we used this powerful device to break things, so it'll be our best option at finding a way to fix it"
Think back to Hollis's memories, and how after she broke her boss' mind using Mental Connection, Truman also had to use Mental Connection to fix the damage and bring him back to normal.
Giving someone the tools to improve themselves is a fantastic goal, but if a third party fiddles where they shouldn't and breaks things then I say taking a more proactive approach is warranted
Ever notice how Raz’s (fake) grandma has what appears to be a tornado like hairstyle?
By fake I mean how she’s not the person she thinks she is, not how she’s not Raz’s grandma.
so hyped for the cassie ep! my faaaavourite level :D
I love it too!
So hyped to see another video in this series
...I can recognise Persona's Velvet Room motifs in the background track and can't not focus on them when they play...
Glad to see more Psychonauts videos!
Time to do a replay of the next two worlds so I can get prepped
ethics and moral's are much like beauty,
people agree on most thing's, but in the end it's in the eyes of the beholder,
we all agree a man (a human, not an adult male) killing another man is bad,
but the second you add detail people start disagreeing, a regular person kill's a criminal, dose the man get of scot free, do you punish them,
what about the death penalty, do regular killers deserve it, do serial killers deserve it, do only those who's death guarantees they will never do what they
but acting like the beholder never changes is ignorant to how the world work's, as one get's older and they experience different event's, make decisions, experience the consequences & learn from both others and their past actions,
so with this a question can be asked, do the psychic 6 deserve to go free or do they face consequences for actions they've already learned from and regretted,
actually a lot of questions can be asked with what i just typed but this question has to do with the video so it's the one i'm putting down.
One could argue that they have already paid in their own ways. I think this invites a conversation about nature of Justice in a more abstract sense.
I wonder what's the next world you'll cover, I can't remember if it's Bob or Cassie next lol
I personally went with Cassie. Started writing it this weekend. Research is largely done too. This one will be Psiking levels of big.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I can recall why...it's like 3 different sections or so and a boss battle...it's kinda big like Hector/black velvet mind imo
A bit off topic, but I love the Persona Velvet Room cover you used for backing music on this one
Haha thanks!
@@GamingUniversityUoG On this front, do you think we could theoretically get discussions about Persona dungeons? I think there's a lot of ground that can be covered with this, especially with Persona 4 and 5, (and their spinoffs to varying degrees).
Hey man, love your analysis. I have a question though, do you have any recommendations/tips or anything that can help build up analysis skills during first blind playthroughs, and subsequent playthroughs for that matter? I find it fascinating that you find so much details going into a game blind. Do you mostly ask yourself a ton of questions, and question everything you see? anyways, keep it up.
Yeah i think it mostly comes downt o consuming a lot of literature. Seeing patterns in storytelling and trying to make them fit into a logical consistency.
It becomes easier to analyze when you know care was put into the work of fiction. Knowing that the writer and designer put intention into everything they do. So trying to categorize if something is meaningless, meaningful, or potentially meaningful. More data comes in it becomes easier to categorize details into those 3 boxes
Well, the Astrolathe is used properly this time. Namely by "digging" a hole into the deepest recesses of Lucrecia's mind to put her instinctual side in it...
Yes a new video from teacher Dean especially on my favorite franchise
Yo dude!
@@GamingUniversityUoG I was a little late to this vid BUT I WAS SLEEPING
Ford and the others not completly closing all the doors to lucy's mind was wrong i can agree on that but now ford raz and the others are trying to put lucy's amygdala (or better know as her fight or flight responce) back where it came from without causing more harm to lucy they are basically trying to find that door they forgot to close so they can close it and with that help lucy by giving her control her own mind without going into fight or flight so she can process her trauma in a healthy way
I could have misinterpreted that scene. But it felt like they were dropping Maligula back into the same hole that Ford put it in back into the day. Doing the same thing. I may has read it wrong though.
1:excited to hear your take on cassies mind & archetypes.
2: did you by chance see the mental landscape I shared?
3:finally: why is it some people have such strong emotions, or feel too much?
I just wanted to say, that I’ve been enjoying pyschonauts psychology videos. They made me interested in wanting to research more on psychology. Though I am curious. Where did you get your information and research from. Like what is the easiest way to learn psychology.
To add my two cents as someone studying biology, these just seem like the average ethical growing pains of any science. in my genetics lab we had to shake test tubes full of flies, and in my marine invert class we performed dissection upon live mussels. In both instances I was CONFLICTED about harming innocent animals that were similar in the fact that whether or not they feel pain is debatable. However, earlier biological experiments were far more....horrid. aside from famous examples like Harlow's monkeys, I read an article detailing an experiment in 1989 where vision altering goggles were bolted into the skulls of adolescent owls just to figure out how their vision would attenuate! Ultimately, the maligula incident is essentially analogous to that for the psychic sciences of that respective universe. While I do hope that lessons can be learned from this series of events going forward, I am sadly a tad doubtful due to the clandestine nature of the psychonauts and comments made by Otto in the postgame...
Otto seems the biggest concern for me too. I mostly think this experience was meant to show the dangers of intentionally forcing change on another's mind. People in fragile states of mind can be impressionable. Something we have to keep in mind.
But yeah I've seen enough stories in science of things that by today's standards we would consider horrifying.
@@GamingUniversityUoGI imagine Otto was likely one of the people behind the fundamentals the Psychonauts alongside Cassie, Compton, Bob, Ford (before shattering) and/or Truman.
Even the comments you’re referring to are him intending to selling his invention as a means to _self_ modify, likening it to plastic surgery
Still ethically dubious but I assume the intent is to have someone modify your brain according to _your own_ specifications
Thanks for the video.
You got it.
My idea for the next game main villain is has some was bron with mental issues he is trying to get halp with but can't get the help he needs so he or she needs so bcoms the main villain.
Hey this might seem off topic but dose anyone know the Song used in the video
hmm.. just like there is not bad or good emotions just perceptions of associations with how you handle them in negative or positive ways..
5:10 ish ,'unlocking a demon' maby lees unlocking one and more causing the ..material.. to change how its own nature changed the mold it forge itself into one as its most 'natural' self structuring ?
but i guess the term ''everyone got a edged to be pushed over'' and ''letting the beast/demon/monster out'' is more pragmatically practical ways to conceptualize the abstract variables of such things for daily life
Not gonna lie, I was about to pause the video to quote the Jurassic Park quote just before it showed up in the video lmao
I just had to lol. Hard to have this kind of subject without playing that clip.
Nooooooo maaann I can’t wait for the next paaarrtt
I guess it’s a good of time but the timeline of events is just odd in this game. In the first game, they say that the psychonauts were made in the 50s but I’d have to assume that’s a little off considering that one of the patients has a 50s suburbia mind and he has been there for a long time. And I say a little off because this stuff screams 60s or Later. Considering the war, this must be related to linked to the invasion of Czechslovakia although in that case, Grulovia won. So this puts that event in the late 60s early 70s. Which actually makes a lot of sense considering the setting of psychonauts 20 years after. Which puts the game in the 90s. Now why did I say this? I have no idea and I just wanted to put that timeline in after i held off for so long. As for the video, can’t wait for Cassie.
I believe it is confirmed that the games take place in the 90s. I forgot where there was a timeline issue. I'm not sure if I mentioned it or not in the history of whispering rock video.
@@GamingUniversityUoG I’ll check back at that video to see but yeah there is a weird time discrepancy.
I don’t wants Boyd’s pyromania go away because he is the milk
Man his milk is delicious SPECIAL DELIVERY TODAY
As fucked up as it is to say given Lucy's age honestly re repressing them might actually have been a valid solution given how long it took Maligula took to work her way back out good chance Lucy would be long long dead before it could happen again
Who knows that the psychology of psychonauts will be completed
Technically got 5 videos left. 6 if I try to go for the interns and/or Otto. But I'm not sure in those
I was disappointed to see this video perpetuate the myth that "repeating an action and expecting different results" is a definition of insanity. Quoting this in a video series that usually does its research makes it seem like the definition is official and widely accepted by modern psychology.
I can get behind it, but The Dean is only human , just like the both of us
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Hey, so sorry, but I need to write another comment to point something out: no, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is NOT related to the definition of insanity. It’s a quote and nothing more. This misconception muddies the waters of mental health and can often act as an obstacle in seeking diagnosis for those who believe it mistakenly.
Question, will you do a video that basically goes into post traumatic stress disorder and how different people deal with it I mean I think the crew has said that was a major theme with the psychic since you’re getting close the villain I think the crew has suggested that he’s got Peter Pan syndrome. I don’t know if that’s a real syndrome I think he represents a combination of narcissism nostalgia victimization and maybe hero complex the first has been made into a video already nostalgia the part of the ride is literally making the country look great because that’s how he remembers it basically a Potemkin facade heck the fact that he says a sign of its countries greatness is that he had a cotton candy maker in his bedroom for victimization. That’s more of the second part where he basically makes a big deal about how his family suffered but it’s showed he was basically living in the hotel of a casino and hero complex the last part is basically him just saying how it’s his destiny to make his home grade again I am the hero of the story that feels like a complex to me if I’m wrong I’m sorry
3:11 Cruller and friends had better be glad that this wasn't a Lovecraft Story -or were VERY Dumb Teenagers playing with things they dont understand- because then this story could have wound up crossing an Elder God or discovering something they REALLY Shouldn't have or winding up in a Bad Horror movie in a Different more B-Movie level plot about Evil killer Tulpa's or somethings.
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The insanity cote is not real, science does that all the time, sometimes to be sure uit always does the same thing. A.k.a be consistent
This channel is great background noise, but I get the feeling that 95% of it is shit that was confirmed bullshit like 20-40 years ago.