Should Undocumented Students Go to College?
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Even with tuition rising, going to college will most likely pay off in the form of higher salary. But what if you weren't sure you'd legally be able to get a job after you graduate?
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Hell no. No college at our expense. My grandson is working like hell to pay his way through college without taking student loans and then be in debt as soon as he finishes. So no not at our expense
One word NO
This shouldn't even be a question.
If they got in US legally,then should be documented.
If they got in US illegally,then shouldn't even in the country,much less in a US college.
Hell No!!! We as citizens do not get free college. Why should they?
Absolutely no
Isn’t undocumented just another way of saying “illegal”?
If someone is here illegally then shouldn’t that problem be fixed first???
US doesn't allow a path to "fix" that problem. So the system icentives you to stay undocumented.
Yeah, deportation. Come here legally and you won't break the law
ABSOLUTELY NOT.. ESPECIALLY IF THEY GET IN FOR FREE..!!!
What do you mean?
Question is who is paying for it?
Accountability, who's Accountable? Right? So you are brought into the USA Illegally and you have rights? Why are you not applying for residency? Are citizens being bumped by these processes for illegal immigrants? Choice is a responsibility freedom is an obligation to participate withe laws that are expected.?
Don't they have to be a legal adult to apply for residency? And between that time they are more likely to be removed?
You have still waiting on legal residency in mexico waiting for 24 years. What about them?Yeah this is bs.
Wokeism at its best
NO. Unless they pay their own way like the citizens do.
Maybe they should go to university in their own country.
I refuse to feel pity for illegal immigrants!
These kids didn't really have a choice, though. Are they going to not go with their parents if they are under the age of 18? It's a difficult moral question to be sure
NO!
The comments for this video are going to be fun to read
That's why I am here. I want to hear people's opinion.
@@dr_they3192 This is a CZcams video. You're not going to get the most educated opinions, even on a good channel like Two Cents.
For real. Two cents posting spicy videos recently.
Me grabbing my popcorn getting ready to get triggered
@Sonicfan138 why do you say comments won't be good or an accurate representation
Should they be allowed to attend? Yes. Should they have access to taxpayer-funded scholarships/grants/loans? No.
Not everyone can ride in the waggon. Someone has to pull it. What about the US citizens that pay taxes but can't afford college because they are also paying towards undocumented student's tuition?
@@JN-ys6eqShh it doesn't matter. Everyone should get privileges, it doesn't matter where the funding or work for it actually comes from. It's not like it's screwing other people over, right?
The more important question is why did it need to be this expensive at all if the tuition isn't going to pay teachers better and the books aren't improving, not to mention the infrastructure issues that leads to people getting incurable diseases after graduation?
From what I know it’s administrative costs that have been ballooning in recent years
That is another topic all together. This video is about rewarding those who break immigration laws.
How it got so expensive? Loans from the government!
@@juniorgod321 From the college's perspective there is absolutely no downside to increasing tuition and 100% upside; since the government will basically back whatever price in the form of student loans.
US aid and school adminstration/board are the primary reason why tuition is high. Most of the money goes to the board of the school rather than the infrastructure and teachers of the school. Also with the arrive of finanical aid, schools no longer have incentives to reduce tuition since government aid will remedy any addition cost.
How does you country even work if anyone without documentation can just show up and get an education?
Don't you need identification and registration ?
If people can just do that, why do people even get documented in the first place?
You have much learning to do
@@JamesLacher Yes I do. As an outsider it looks very weird to me. I live in Denmark where everyone is registerd in a digital database. to get an education you use your ID number to sign up, to get a bank account you use your ID number and to get a legitimate job you have to use your bank account or they can't pay you.
"Undocumented" is just a euphemism for an illegal immigrant.
@@PrometheusMMIV Of course.
Many things don't require a American ID. You can pretty much open a bank account with your country of origin ID or passport and education is a right that is provided to any children from kindergarten to 12th grade high school regardless of status in the country. We can even file taxes with an ITIN number, and create our own business. Some states can even issue a driver's license.
Illegal are not undocumented, as many of these migrants do have documents that allow them to live close to a normal life as an American citizenship but without the benefits of course.
They are undocumented in the sense that they lack documents that prove American residency or citizenship, but not undocumented in the literal way.
No! Duh. Ship em back.
sure. go to college and PAY FOR IT like I had to. NO FREE TUITION
Yeah, I had to go through hardships so everyone else should suffer too. Please don’t have children with that attitude.
@royce9018 if the kids don't have a hardship, they become too soft and ruin the country,when you give people free shit most of the time they don't appreciate
@@royce9018 EXPLAIN your reasoning that they should get it for FREE? Free means paid by others.
I came to the US at 9yo. was undocumented all the way through HS & got daca at 21, so continued to have no status throughout college. I am now a green card holding engineer. It was hard work & I would love to say just bust your butt & do it. But unfortunately our country is so volatile right now to immigrants who came here as kids. My heart goes out to the folks struggling with this currently.
That. Kids who grew up here are not at fault, they are just people who grew up here like the rest of us.
Especially when they are pursuing higher education, that's such a value add to the nation...
Back to the gutter where you were spawned!
No sympathy from me immigrants come here and exploit government programs so we are the ones who work paying for them to live
You decided to work hard but many immigrants don’t
Hope you thanked all the tax payers that paid for your education
@@JuneHarriseco undocumented immigrants pay billions of dollars in taxes.
they should all get a one way trip out of the county for being here ILLEGALLY!
They'll probably earn a higher salary, IF they graduate. But if the 48% of them are not gonna graduate, then being saddled with huge student loan debts, and terrible job prospects are part of the reality they face when they roll the dice by pursuing that college degree. Good luck competing in a job market where 37% of folks have a 4 year degree, and you have no papers, and massive debts.
Many are leaving their college degree off their resume's as 73% of people do not even work in a field closely related to their college degree. If anything listing it at times will expedite it being shuffled to bottom of the stack.
@@Cerberus984 no one leaves a college degree of their resume, lol. Put down the crack pipe dude...
@@royce9018 For argument's sake assuming you are an employer and you have two candidates to hire. One just obtained their college degree and the other just graduated high school but isn't going to college as they can't afford it. Who do you expect to stay the longest and how much does the company save by avoiding having to train new employees as often?
Is there any mainstream college degree that would be beneficial for someone applying to serve Starbucks coffee?
@@Cerberus984 I left my college degree off my last two applications. Why would they want to hire a truck driver with a 10 year old associates degree in computer science that was never used?
@@Cerberus984do I trust the kid with zero proof he can commit to something or the college graduate? Yeah that’s really a tough one 😂
They should be deported
No one chooses where they're born or where they're raised. How is this their fault? If this happened to you, how do you think you would feel if you were deported to a country you didn't know when you already have a place called home?
@@ht3k if you’re born here you’re an American citizen, if you’re undocumented you came here illegally and should be deported
@ht3k
First if you are born in the US you are a US citizen, ie not undocumented. Second to be undocumented you must enter the country illegally, and are breaking US law.
Children are trafficked from other countries all the time. How is this a child's fault? The people you see in this video were children when they were brought U.S.
@@HowToITLLC you didn't watch the video did you?
Alternative title - Should criminals evading taxes and leaching off the system go to college?
Criminals? 😂
@@tontolinification Yes criminals, the parents came here illegally, likely using a stollen identity to avoid being snagged by ICE (Well unless in a blue state where they just given them IDs and drivers licenses now) and leeching off programs like Welfare and foodstamps (again ment for US citizens as a temporary crutch)
Sure if they pay for it
Huge fan u guys helped me learn about personal finance before my teens
You should have known about personal finance before you ever had children let alone before they got to their teenage years.
@@JohnDoe-ld8nr I think what they meant is that they learned about finance before getting to *their own* teenage years. As in, during their tweens/early childhood
@@JohnDoe-ld8nr and even if that wasn't the case, what do you get by shaming this person for their learning rate? Personal finances are not taught in school (which they really should be) and clear, understandable resources about the topic like Two Cents are rare! This person should be celebrated for taking a step towards learning about an important topic like this, regardless at which life stage they are doing so.
@@StarrySkyyyy Unbunch your panties, Sally, it was a joke.
A dad joke. See what I did there?
Your rights?? It’s not a right
I love how this channel explains everything as if talking to a 5 year old! It's very easy to understand, and a bit silly and humorous at times. This is a very effective very to teach! I heard some smart person say that, when they want to learn about a certain topic, they go and find all the children's books they can find on the topic and read them. Because they explain everything in a way that is easy to understand! I feel like this channel has some of that going for it.
Thank you, Two Cents, this is so needed!
Maybe it's just me not understanding USA, but if you want to grant 'undocumented people' some rights maybe it'd be easier just to 'document' them?
Beyond any compassion-based argument, it’s fiscally irresponsible as society for us to disallow undocumented students from becoming engines of wealth-creation and taxable income in their own lifetimes.
Yes, but it is making it easier for those breaking the law. That is what undocumented is - out of legal status or breaking US immigration laws. How come other countries can cut off hands if someone breaks their immigration laws but we allow them to go to college?
It's kind of like lifting people up above the poverty line is good for literally everyone in a community.
the problem went right over your head, but points for trying
It's fiscally irresponsible to spend $180K+ on K - 12 while their on welfare then federally back their student loans. For their parents to ever make enough money to pay enough taxes to negate the financial burden of educating an anchor baby they would have to make over $100K BEFORE deductions as a household. It will be at least 30 years till they've paid enough taxes to offset just their public schooling.
@@Cerberus984 I too love making up numbers to support racism, it's a lot of fun...
My degree didn’t do anything but make me be in debt probably forever because of the ridiculous interest rates on student loans. I don’t think anyone documented or not should go unless it’s for something that really needs it like medical, legal, or business.
Maybe don't take out a high interest rate loan for a degree that isn't profitable then? Education should be free but even so telling people not to go is dumb.
Agreed
Let me guess... art major? 😂
What major did u take man
So you failed to use your education and just went because you wanted to go to college. Well done...
Brought here as a child so it's no fault of their own, then yes. Otherwise they can pay "out-of-state" tuition so its not a burden to the local tax payer
Under 21 free college,
Single mothers free college,
Fired at 50 years or older free college,
Everyone else needs to pay it up no matter what your background
As a lawyer, an immigrant, and a citizen--thank you for making this. I'd suggest people to look at SIJS (Special Immigrant Juvenile Status) too. I'm happy to see you encouraged to continue education, as education isn't just a tool to get a job. It is a means of improving your life, your understanding of the world, to understand joy, to experience pleasures like opening up intellectual curiosities. It isn't just for making better money, but for making better humans. And undocumented people are humans, too.
lol
I look at college, all I see is work, work, work, work, more work.........If I could avoid college, I would, unfortunately, without the paper, most of the good paying, non physically laborous jobs are blocked from people. So, I've been trying to convince myself to go back
@@royce9018 I'm not sure which part of his comment you found to be funny. Could you please explain?
@@geddon436 Objection! Relevance.
Who the hell said Undocumented people weren't human they just illegals who belong to another country are citizens of that country not US and have come to our Country illegally crossing the border and invading are Country that what you are...illegal immigrants invading our country...
Y’all please stick to financial advice. This woke crap can be found everywhere else on youtube.
So many jobs require a degree that you dont actually need. The job application practice is messed up. Idk how employers got to be so picky. Too many applicants? I don't blame immigrants. I blame bad governments who force their people to flee and pursue financial prosperity elsewhere.
Or maybe America needs to help immigrants before they become immigrants??? Does that make sense!?!?!
I suppose it's understandable: if you have 2 similar candidates, havung a degree even in an unrelated area can be a tie breaker, demonstrating some standardized level of ability and commitment.
It doesnt mean the college graduate will always get the job, but over an entire population they will tend to get picked more often. Thats all it takes.
You're right about foreign governments. We have limited influence over what happens there, but we can have some influence and we need to be smart to exert it with positive results. Having wealthier neighbors is great for us too.
Yes.
DACA resident here. Dropped out back in 2020, one cause covid, two cause of it being expensive an dcouldnt apply for grants or scholarships nor financial aid at the time.
Been here all my life since 3 months old.
Currently work as a full stack web developer, so it worked out for me. But others not so much. If you work and pay taxes here, should benefit from fafsa as well.
hey can u send info on the fafsa thing? Ive been told from multiple institutions that federal aid like fafsa is not an option for me due to DACA, so going into my senior year this would help a lot !
Back to the gutter where you were spawned!
@@marx3379 Unfortunately, you're gonna have to reread my post. We dont qualify for fafsa at all sadly.
Though still apply for fafsa and submit it, as you can get scholarships now even as DACA. But a fafsa application submitted is a needed requirement. So make sure to do it.
Also, depending on your state, you may be able to receive some form of financial aid.
When i tried 7 years ago in california, there was none. But now there is. Check with your state. texas has one if i recall. So you may have a shot.
@@eegernades then what did u mean by "if u work and pay taxes, should benefit from FAFSA as well"
@marx3379 essentially, if we choose to work instead or plan to work after college, we shoupd be allowed to access fafsa in its entirety like everyone else. As we'd be contributing to this country.
The library is open to anyone who wants to go to it and the people’s actions at the library never affected anyone else’s life.
So if someone has the ambition and dedication to better their life, why stop them?
I met Sandra back in D.C. while we were all in the FCNL Lobbying Committee. I was very fortunate to meet another Michoacána like me. Thank you Sandra! So proud of you! Si se puede raza!!🌻🇲🇽
Go back to your bean Farm land
Love that you guys took a step back to highlight people who are currently helping the individuals and families affected by this. Keep up the great work! It's difficult to talk about these potentially hot button issues but that is where education should be encouraged.
I don't understand, this video is a completely neutral video explaining the facts of reality and simply mentioning undocumented people brings out a group of people who are hating on the video without even having a good reason for it
Um, what? Did you not actually watch the video? The video is literally titled "should undocumented students go to college" yet it was all "yes" and "not only should they go, they should be able to pay in state rates even if they can't prove in state residency and you're in the wrong if you think anything else." Not a single thing about why they shouldn't go or be able to go.
@JohnDoe-ld8nr why shouldnt they be able to go to school to pursue an education if they want to. Why should a neighbor you grew up with have to pay 4 times the price for the same school when they didnt choose where they were born and just want to better themselves
@@mikereyes3571Let's go with your logic. Why not let everyone move to the US. All Indians, Europeans, etc. Do you see the problem here?
Mind blown on the LLC technique, it's genius.
if you came here by parents who drug you into being undocumented and you pay into the system just like everyone else, of course I don't mind you get education here, I encourage everyone to get higher education as needed weather it be college or trade school. If you came here to take advantage of the good people of this country and run back home with the spoils you took from our good will...... we are full and you can go back home. We need more people who want to become a citizen who are stuck in difficult situations like this to be able to become a full citizen and contribute to society. We welcome people like you.
Thank you so much for doing this video. The process is so messed up, and it shouldn't stop people's futures.
Hey guys thank you for the compassion and the guts it took to make and post this video, especially in the era of normalized hatred. Kids that never asked to move and a decade later find out that they "don't belong" in the place they call home, have a very uphill battle.
This was both informative and thought provoking.
Thank you.
Yes, so brave. I can only imagine how scary it must've been for two apparently left leaning people working for a left leaning media company to walk into the office of an even further left leaning boss and say "We would like to make a video about how 'undocumented students' are getting screwed over by out of state tuition requirements and how they should be able to go to college" and then post it on an even further left leaning website.
Should undocumented students go to college? That depends. If they convert to F type student visas, then yes.
“…they can envision a future in the only place they’ve ever called home.”
Exactly. Can you imagine growing in a country, only to be told you must go back to whatever country you were born in to go to college? How is that fair to the kids who did not have a choice in moving here undocumented? This country is all they’ve ever known.
Also, we are ALL better off when EVERYONE has better access to education.
The student may have a better opportunity in their country of birth unless it is a repressive country. I would like to see a video on the success of students & professionals who returned to their home country to pursue their dream. Were they happy with their decision? If I had not come from a repressive country, Cuba, when I was young, I would have loved to pursue my career there.
No one chooses to be born in the "wrong" country, or to have the "wrong" skin color or gender, or so many other things. We have so many barriers to fair opportunity just because some people believed in keeping others down.
One of the powerful things I have heard is no matter what the government does it can’t take away your education.
I would suggest getting higher education if at all possible even if that means working full time while in school.
It was difficult for me, as a citizen to apply for FAFSA as a child of an undocumented immigrant because FAFSA requires a parents SSN. I spent months trying to figure out how to work around that issue and the school didn’t know how to help me. Once I figured it out, I knew what to do and was ok but it was nerve wrecking because I didn’t want my mom getting deported because I wanted to go to college.
I graduated in 2017 with my chemical engineering degree.
I hear it. Im DACA, to get a inch of help in California was basically non existent. Non of my school conselors could help.just dealt with a similar issue as you with my younger brother. Born and raised in the US.
Your parents weren't undocumented immigrants they were illegal aliens. So of course there is almost no help for you because none of your should have been here in the first place.
I'm here just for the comment section. Everyone knows the answer to this ;)
Just leaving a comment to help get this out to more people
No, they shouldn't even be in the country to begin with. Immigrate legally and you won't have this issue.
you didn't bother to watch the video before commenting... so that's a touch pathetic
@@royce9018 I did watch it and my point stands. Entire video isn't even needed. Ty for your concerns though.
@@MetalSportsJ ah, so you're intentional ignorant. That somehow doesn't surprise me at all.
@@royce9018 Ignorant because I don't agree with your view, got it. Illegals are illegal for a reason, sugar coat it and call them undocumented if you want.
@@MetalSportsJ you don't even know my opinion, but glad we disagree, lol. Or do you mean you disagree inherently with me because you want to disagree with those above you in some pathetic attempt to stick it to the man?
I came to the U.S. legally and I think it is unfair for illegals to receive any benefits. Having said that, I do think that the immigration system needs to be reformed because they way it is now is contributing to the problem of illegal immigration. To make matters worse, the current administration is doing a dismal job in protecting the border with Mexico.
"To make matters worse, the current administration is doing a dismal job in protecting the border with Mexico." - you sound like a Trumper.
@@TheDanEdwards You sound like you don't want to acknowledge reality. Border protection is a reasonable policy that all Americans should advocate for regardless of political affiliation. If we don't enforce the law, we won't have a country anymore.
@@TheDanEdwards The border which causes very few problems is somehow the reason his wife left him
@@caesaraugustusmaximus yup, a Trumptard
This is packed with great information. Would love to see more videos like this ❤
I'm growing my hair out just like Philip and it looks almost exactly the same as his, that's funny. My mom hates it, saying it looks very messy. I'm still in that "awkward" stage. It's very thick but not long enough to hang back all the way yet.
“These are my rights”? How entitled-you have no right to be here.
a good question is why don't they deserve those rights if they're law abiding productive members of society
@@marksilla8276We have rules to come into this country and they broke them.
@@megaworldbuilder4369 lol
You got a point they had no right to be here legally speaking. But they are here now so what do we do about it. And if you say take them back then clearly you arent thinking. US has a history of immigrants and Xenophobia, you are just saying what americans 100 years ago said and it didnt work.
@@yamchachad7860Ideally yes, but our country has no obligation to non-citizens or non-legal residents. We don’t even know they are here so how can we help them? You also don’t get to create a problem and demand everyone else fix it! Also giving them things (citizenship, green cards, etc) encourages me to come. For me it’s simple: you break the law, you get punished. If that means deportation then so be it. Undermining our own laws hurts everyone.
Really great episode. I know this topic will bring out some hateful and scared people. But I just wanted to say you handled this topic really well.
No one should be disbarred from getting an education. If people work hard, show promise from high school, have good gpas, etc. They should have the opportunity to go to school, if they choose to.
College isn't some pipeline to getting a job. It is a higher educational building and should give you the opportunity to obtain different outlooks on your journey. To deciding on what you want to do for your general future (this can include a career but shouldn't be limited to that).
If you go to college just with the mindset of getting a degree for a specific job only, you are going to miss out on opportunities campuses offer in many cases.
They shouldn't be getting any benefits, because their parents haven't paid anything here. You can't go to their country and get benefits as an American bet on that.
What is POCAS insta ?
But they're tekkin' er jerbs!
This Undocumented Student conversation is absolutely a valuable conversation to have, and I'm thankful it exists.
But Americans... you guys have so many issues to fix before this conversation can even get off the ground.
1. fix your broken immigration system
2. unify laws across states
Amazing work! I am a C.C.A!
I honestly don't care if they pay out of pocket to go to college. But I do mind if they "worked" the system and used taxpayer's dollars to earn their degree. But then again, I think college isn't the best way to earn a decent paying job, either.
Thank you for sharing this story and elevating the work of individuals and organizations supporting undocumented students. Very powerful.
OOooo that drip in this video
Yall two are on fireee
🔥🔥🔥
Why are americans just casually accepting that undocumented immigrants are living in the us? Like “should undocumented immigrants….” Like why are undocumented immigrants there in the first place? 🧐
Btw, i’m mexican 😊
They aren't being casually accepted into the U.S. Educate yourself before chiming in. You're making Mexicans look bad.
Well you being mexican was irrelevant, but I guess you need to feel special somehow...
"Why are americans just casually accepting that undocumented immigrants are living in the us?" Revisit the history of the US and comback to rethink what you wrote
@@royce9018 i said it because then people attack/disregard the main point assuming it comes from a white american of certain ideology/political leaning. 😊
@@Gatasma so you need to prove that you are special so people don't casually ignore you based on what you wrote alone... lol.
I don'tk now why make this questions every body have to study .before only the rich son studied today have the same ideas.
I work for a fortune 100 company and we have employees who are Dreamers. I don’t know any particular details but I do know at least one person who had to temporarily go on leave because her DACA renewal was delayed during COVID. Why is it she can work openly and these folks need to create a LLC.
Because they changed the law? If you already are DACA you are grandfathered in / keep your DACA status but everyone that isn't DACA yet can't become DACA anymore and has their dreams deferred.
What happened to listening and reading comprehension anyway?
@@user-zw6pn3ql7ygotcha ok it changed in 2021. No need to be an ass about it.
So gald you guys posted this video. Keep up the great work!
they should and should pay international student tuition
Thank you. I have friends in this situation.
Should paying customers be allowed to pay for paid service?
Oh not the question?
If it was really that brainless you'd be in charge of all this 😂
Whow!! So awesome! Thank you so much for doing this!!!!
If people come legally to this country and pay the out of country tuition, of course they should be able to attend. The govt should be in the business of serving legal citizens and legal immigrants.
If people come illegally to this country, they need to be treated as the laws we already have in place state for processing illegal people.
No way should the government be funding for them to have a free place to live and free food to stay in our country illegally.
Nor should people who are here illegally be able to get scholarships over and above legal immigrants and legal citizens.
It's not fair to those who put in the hard work to follow the legal processes to come here.
Nor is it fair to those who have always lived here legally and paid taxes.
Exactly
I’m liberal. But I know you’re going to be ignored for being 100% right. Lol hard pill to swallow.
4:50 “no institution is going to partner with law enforcement” id like a fact check please based on current student repression and surveillance strategies being witnessed
lol, you mean the places students claim they are being denied human rights because no one is bringing their food from the cafeteria to them
@@royce9018 I think he's talking about the palestine protests where they're infringing on their rights to harass jewish students and prevent them from going to class
@@drunclecookie216 by protesting outside the building and claiming they are being subjected to inhuman retribution because no one is bringing them food or water...
They forgot to asterisk in "*Except in cases of Jewish privilege."
Education is a universal right. Especially if one can afford it, then it's just a fair transaction, legal or not.
Think of it in a different way, even if an immigrant is illegal. If they're carrying cash and want to buy water from a shop, they should be able to do so.
There is no right to be educated by others. I'm not saying that education should be accessible, just not that it's a right which can be guaranteed by a government.
Thank you @Two Cents, for doing you part in educating about undocumented individuals.
Thank you for your contribution.
Women's are not worth any investment whatsoever Okey
Commenting to boost 😊
Thank you for making this video! Super important
this was not really about economy and more about immigration and rights.
The title is literally "Should Undocumented Students Go to College?" Or did they change the title since uploading?
@@HappilyCarnivore I think he refers to the fact that this is a finance and economics channel
@@HappilyCarnivore sure but as someone who's been a subscriber for 4-5 years now, its not the sort of content I was expecting to see.
@@amirmirzaei3940 Ah, okay. Thanks for explaining.
Well, this subject is very closely tied to USA’s economy and we all need more awareness around it. It gets tiring to hear so much about how “those immigrants are coming to our country and getting federal loans for schooling but they don’t want to pay them back”. No. They don’t even qualify to begin with. Yet, they find ways to graduate, which shows it can be done and it also shows US citizens and residents that they don’t have to solely rely on student loans.
Also, if the undocumented students/graduates (who were also raised in the US) are then allowed to enter the workforce with a US degree, that would greatly benefit our economy. So it’s a win-win situation.
Understand some college age kids were brought to this country illegally when they were little is no fault of their own. That does not give them a free pass: there are still documents to submitt and fees to pay. Everyone has obstacles, some bigger than others but nobody rational said real life is fair. Otherwise it is a legal slap in the face to those who did play by the rules.
Jeez, vids only been up 8 minutes and people are already just chiming in their opinion without seeing it
Well immigration is a hot button issue in America
I thought this was a personal finance channel? Why are you talking about illegal immigration? And it's not even you guys talking about it, it's mostly other people.
As a Native NYer of Latino and white ancestry who has lived in Ecuador for almost a decade. Here is my opinion based on what I have seen down here and watching this video. If you are allowed to study in America and get a Masters or Doctorate. First of all it can’t be for those who support Socialism. So many interactions with people down here who believe in Socialism and they bad mouth America yet they get higher education degrees from our country.
Second be grateful and humble. Other people who I have met who aren’t Socialists or Capitalists who come from South America are arrogant, materialistic and again look down on America. Yet love everything that America has compared to down here which is so/so.
Third fix your immigration status and those shaking their heads while reading this. When I came down to live in Ecuador, it was a hassle to get my paperwork and everything sorted out for my college degree. You have to VET people and make sure they say who they are and have everything in order especially no serious crimes that they haven’t served time for. You can’t have double standards. The same for all.
Higher education is going to change in the next couple of years as well with the advancements in A.I. I know people who get higher education degrees and they can’t find a job not just down here but in the states as well. That’s something that has always been pushed upon Students. Many forget blue collar jobs that it seems the newer generations are shifting towards. I graduated from Aviation High School in Queens NY back in the day but never entered the field.
Also getting a higher education degree down here has become a status symbol and I hear the same thing is happening in the states. So in conclusion if you come to America get a student Visa if possible and work hard and don’t be a socialist.
If anyone reading this is a Socialist why not get your degrees in Socialist countries like Russia or China. Oh and if you get offended by me reminding people of Socialism why do you think people come to America when down here Socialist countries fail in a matter of years and leave the countries worse off.
In this country we have free speech and the right to criticize our government. If you don’t like it, then move.
"If anyone reading this is a Socialist why not get your degrees in Socialist countries like Russia or China. " - imagine thinking Russia today is "socialist". Yeah, maybe you are the one who needs to go to college.
"Socialist countries fail in a matter of years " - wait... if you think Russia is "socialist", then they've been that way since 1917, which is 107 years.
"getting a higher education degree down here has become a status symbol and I hear the same thing is happening in the states." - college degrees have always been a form of a status symbol, all the way back to the founding of universities.
"Socialism ... Socialism ... Socialist" - maybe you need to find a new hobby.
@@TheDanEdwards Thanks for your comment I was more emphasizing that Social status down here in Ecuador Why are you so offended with my comment on Socialism in Russia. I think you do protest too much.
@@KINduz3jp I think the problem is that you don't read enough, try going outside once in a while.
@@royce9018thanks for the comment sir and I do enjoy reading fiction and nonfiction. Everyone here gets offended when their narrative is challenged. Have a good day sir.
Real question: Should documented students go to college?
It’s crazy, I just had a meeting with my financial aid advisor and he was talking about how the FAFSA requires a social security number etc not to mention a phone number or an email
Crazy how you need to be a US citizen to make use of US citizen resources.. SHOCKING.
Yes. Once they result to their home country. And they can improve it too while there.
Just a question about illegal vs. documented immigrants really. The rules should be cut and dry. Education is no exception.
america and its pride nationalist.
For those who are willing to study hard and become more educated than their parents, I say go for it! Get educated, get new skills, pay your taxes, help your community, and be grateful with the country that is offering this opportunity by defending democracy. This is what the American dream really means.
I was in this situation. The reality is, it's not worth it unless it's something useful and unless you are actually able to work. If you cannot find a realistic path to citizenship (for most people, it's legally ONLY marriage), then don't waste your time and just go back to your country. America has already jumped the shark, so I'm not going to make any argument in defense of the long term detriments of pumping the workforce. You as an individual should look out for your family's needs, and you should look at your situation on a pragmatic basis. If it makes more sense to work in the US while DACA (which is flimsy) is valid, then do so. If you're working a factory job with no path to citizenship, then there's no point to staying in the country, let alone getting a degree in something that's not going to actually help you have a job in the event that you are not able to legally work anymore. Liberals don't actually like you, they only like that you swing the Hispanic vote to their side of the isle and want to exploit you to perpetuate their systems, in this case, the academia industry that serves as the defacto seminary of the liberal order. Be pragmatic, don't listen to people who don't view you as people.
gracias por la Informacion
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@@sakesyordi4234 ? What do you mean
Higher education should be free for everyone. To bad the defense budget needs some extra billions every year
At least if education was free and people were intelligent we would have less comments like yours to listen to.
@@royce9018 The thing is that he's not wrong
@@yamchachad7860 sure thing little buddy, lol
@@royce9018 its okay I get it a lot of ppl dont understand the intricacies of issues like these. But you do you buddy
@@yamchachad7860 well I'm glad you admit that you don't understand how this works. Still I feel bad for really anyone with anime as their profile... But kids will be dumb kids I guess.
If you're just going to start your own LLC and become an independent contractor anyway, then why the hell would you bother getting a college degree?
Legalize these kids! It's a no brainer.
Yes if they are waiting for their citizenship to be approved then why not.
The process takes 5 or more years, so it would suck to have everything on hold until they are at least 23
Yeah, I don't see why not. College is a business at the end of the day they stand to make some profit, really not sure on what type of tuition they should pay(out of state or in state for public colleges). But if they want to attend go for it and best of luck to them. They shpuld be aware of the risk of the debt they can potentially accumulate, graduation rate, job prospects, etc. Trades should also be something people look into more. Just my 2 cents, great vid though. A video on how the pros and cons of brokerage accounts wpuld be nice too though, especially if you have some extra income already over your emergency fund and want to put that money to work for something like a down on a car, house, business, etc.