I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes. Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake. Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down. To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point. Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe: Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging. I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years: M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?) It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe. Make up your mind
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot "The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know." - Captain Scott The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂 It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power She may have flaws but she has teeth
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others. And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing. Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways. And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
The battles between Enterprise the Reliant and the Bird of Prey in Trekk II and III are not good examples. The Reliant didnt out gun the Enterprise, it fired on a ship that was not in a battle preparation and with a training crew and the Bird of Prey was fighting a severely handicapped Enterprise. A Bird of Prey has no chance against The Enterprise in a head to head battle.
You bunch of Geeks. The most powerful Star Trek Ship ever was, of course, USS Voyager under the Command of Janeway. Think about it. That's all I'm saying.
The only ship to trump several borg vessels and then say we need a bigger bad guy lol. In all seriousness though that series was terrible and I loved every moment of it XD
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota. Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest. Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence. Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
The video was entertaining. But afterwards I’m left there thinking “wtf did I just watch? A video ranking pretend spaceships based on their actions in a TV show…”
Why do you think there's more worthwhile things to be doing? the sun will swollow the earth, the universe wlll die a heat death. Just accept that it's enough to be happy and learn to play the harp.
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
Sorry, as far as what ship people think about when they think of Star Trek, I think of the Constitution Class. You have to remember Star Trek has been around for a very long time now, people think of the ship they grew up with over the current trend. I think it has to do with the ship that got them involved in Star Trek in the first place. Great Video, thank you for sharing.
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
How could you not include the Defiant class and put an entry onto this list twice? Defiant isn't a battleship but it could engage dedicated warships many times its size and/or while severely outnumbered.
The Defiant was strong and tough for it's size but the video is about the deadliest ships. In the regard the Defiant was limited, it's weaponry whilst powerful against ships of a similar size don't have the same destructive capabilities as weapons found on bigger ships that have room for bigger cannon emplacements and larger power plants to use them. Think of it in terms of a naval destroyer vs a battleship, the bigger the ship the bigger the guns.
I think his choice to leave it out makes some sense, yes the defiant is an amazing vessel, but it is highly focused for combat. He was touching on overall performance. That said it should atleast gained an honorable mention as it was at every phase of the battle for earth in First Contact!
@@matthewcaskey1051 Also technically the Defiant is classed as an escort ship. it would be considered a Destroyer or Frigate by modern navy standards. The Intrepid and probably Constitution Class would be Cruisers while the Soveriegn Class, Galaxy Glass, Excelsior and other ships of that size would be Battleships and the centerpeice of a strike force (since Star Trek does not seem to employ Carriers the way most other Sci-Shows like Babylon 5, Star Wars Stargate, or BSG do)
@MrMalve25 they do! Look up the Midway class, they do have fighters and they were even used during the show, think peregrine is the name of them? Something like that.
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
You make it sound like the Sovereign somewhat surpassed or countered Borg Cubes which it didn't. The whole reason why it could destroy the cube in First Contact was due to Picard's connection to the Borg. Still a great video!
True. A Borg Cube could EASILY destroy a Sovereign if it wanted to. I don't even think it could defeat a Borg Sphere in straight combat, but that's not how the Borg operate. Their goal is to assimilate, not destroy.
You'd think that given his Cube destroying knowledge can be expressed with big red X on a picture of a Cube - that he'd of just told Starfleet instead of being moody and keeping it to himself.
@@JohnnyWednesday I like the idea of the big X 🤣 but I think this was either a one time situation like structural weakness that happened during the battle. If it was an actual weakspot the Borg would quite quickly adapt, maybe even by the data they received from this fight.
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s. Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes : 2245 - Constitution 2285 - Excelsior 2325 - Ambassador 2360 - Galaxy 2400 - Odyssey
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields. Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war. Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities... As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}} I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship. Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
I think the Miranda class refit should have made the list. The Miranda actually has more internal volume than a refit Constitution and on paper was quantifiably superior for combat than a Constitution having a similar number and type of phasers but also adding dual fore and aft torpedo launchers. Had the fight at Regula been a fair fight with both sides ready and no trickery they would have been evenly matched with only the legendary vs inexperienced crew truly deciding the outcome.
@@GiantFreakinRobot - Why not - you think an ancient constitution class is more powerful than them. You've made me so mad! I've had to buy an ice cream.
The constitution class starship was vicious with the M5 computer tie in. Then again, any starship would have been invincible with the M5... until they met the Borg. But, maybe the M5 could beat the Borg single handedly.
well the "most powerful" would have to be the most advanced... discovery in the future. my first impulse was to say future upgraded borg proof voyager with ablative armor
Connie refit survived a V'ger blast when Klingon comparable ships couldn't. The fight with the Reliant and first Bird of Prey were without shields. Reliant hit it with a sneak attack and the ship wasn't fully repaired against the Bird of Prey. Enterprise-A was a Connie refit tech up against a prototype Bird of Prey at the end of its life. Excelsior refit was a great mod (like Enterprise A and Lakota).
I’m not arguing that the Connie refit wasn’t badass. It had its moments or it would not be on the list at all. But it wasn’t as far beyond the other ships of its era as the ships higher on the list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot However, the Klingon captain in Star Trek 3 was also confused, why the Enterprise didn't just finish them off. He knew that the Constitution class was a much more powerful ship. The only reason the Constitution class lost was because it simply wasn't able to take another fight because of the battle against Kahn without repairs. Even the most powerful ship can lose to a small fighter if it can't defend itself properly.
0:49 I have to comment on the image at this time index, given the comparison between the Constitution, Excelsior and Galaxy classes. In this image thr Excelsior (NCC-2000) looks like a monster next to the Enterprise-A. That would make the Galaxy class (Enterprise-D for example) look positively gargantuan next to the Entetprise-A.
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
Kruge did say they had him outgunned 10 to 1. Enterprise could have reduced that bird of prey to ash in both III and VI had it not been for the fact that both times she was at a disadvantage. In fact, Enterprise could have finished off the bird of prey in VI by herself after blowing it out of cloak.
During your Excelsior class briefing, you’ve got your centuries wrong. The Excelsior class was launched in the 2290s (33rd century), and lasted into the 2380s (34th century).
The Original Series Enterprise is the most powerful ship of all time in Starfleet. It absorbed weapons fire from Nomad and it never had exploding scenes on the bridge or any other part of the ship.
No disrespect to anyone who likes the Odyssey class but I personally have never been a fan of the design. I rather prefer the sleek and sexy design of the Sovereign, whereas the the 1701-F feels like a huge slow whale by comparison.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Oh I definitely understand that. Aesthetically speaking, for me personally I will always like the look of the refit Constitution and the Sovereign. For those folks that do like the design of the F, honestly, good for them. Glad they enjoy it.
If memory serves the NX series wasn't a ship classification per se but the designation of experimental and prototypes. Or was it officially called the NX class because the NX01 was technically the first? I dunno, all I know is the NX01 didn't technically lead to a set of ships built like it because it was a platform to test the new designs starfleet had.
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
Given that the Defiant class is the only true warship, I.e. it's designer, Sisko wanted it specially to fight, I would pick one of those if I wanted to go into a combat situation. For anything else I'd pick an Intrepid class or it's successor, Voyager really defined that class and I'm pretty sure Admiral Ross used one (The USS Bellerophon) in the dominion war that fared well in every battle it had. Also given how well the Enterprise-E fared against the Scimitar that outgunned her 3 to 1, I think a pair of Sovereigns or maybe 3 of them could have actually defeated the Scimitar. I have a soft spot for the NX-01 though, I know its massively primitive compared to the modern era but back in the day it was on the higher end of ships at the time. Warp 5 was considered fast back then and once it was upgraded post expanse, it could fight evenly against actual warships of it's era.
@@GiantFreakinRobot we don’t know how either ship would fair really against each other. The defiant however is absolutely far more maneuverable than a sovereign and possesses the same power plant of a galaxy class ship. The defiant especially the prototype that was commanded by Sisko performed well in every battle it had, it could even fight two kilngon battlecruisers while it was evacuating a ship of cardassians without shields and still warp away. It could take on 4 Jen Hadar destroyers alone, ram one, destroy the others and still cloak and warp. It took a heavily modified Excelsior class ship to fight evenly with the Defiant.
@@WaveForceful The biggest problem with the Defiant Class of Warships was that it have numerous design flaws which would cause "bugs" throughout the systems during combat. If pushed too hard, it was said it would tear itself apart. It's like putting an oversized motor in a muscle car and then not beefing up the transmission, suspension, and rear end to handle it. You are correct though in the fact that the Defiant Class of Starships were the ONLY true Warships ever built by Starfleet which seems odd when they constantly faced stronger threats such as the Romulans and Klingons and of course, the Borg. The Dominion was the least biggest threat they ever faced since their ships were not really that powerful, the crews had to be constantly drugged to man them, and they needed more ships than their enemies to defeat them. Of course, the Dominion soared when it came to gaining allies to fight against their enemies, that is where their power really came from. Not to mention, with all of the different races involved in Starfleet, they should have been leagues ahead of all of their enemies such as the Klingons and Romulans, but for some weird reason, they really weren't. They barely matched with the Klingons and both the Klingons and Starfleet were far behind the Romulans when it came to shields and armament. And will someone please explain to me why literally every Starfleet evasive maneuver seemed to land those ships in more trouble than if they just "winged it"??? LOL.
It isn't the only "true" warship. Lots of others were build for the sheer purpose of fighting the Borg. Steamrunner, Akira, Nova, and Sabre were all made for kicking butt.
There were a lot of Starfleet ship designs and you could never cover them all but I was surprised the Intrepid class didn't make the list. There was a whole series written around one.
8:43 "Despite its massive size, the Galaxy class was the fastest ship of its time ever produced, and was also surprisingly maneuverable." _Somewhere, in another galaxy, Lando Calrissian and Han Solo are smiling...._
Okay he didn't properly rank, so I am going to do the top 3. Number 1 is the Excelsior because from the time it shows up on the field, to the Lakota's showing against the defiant it is just terrifyingly powerful......if you have ever played Klingon Academy, the fear of seeing its torpedo barrages was horrifying - 6 forward launchers with triple lauch spread ability meant 18 forward torpedos in a salvo.... Next up, by his metrics, the Original Connie was pure dominance over its contemporaries for a reasonable amount of time as Starfleet's premier Heavy Cruiser so it gets number 2. And lastly at number 3 is the Sovereign because of their roles in the dominion wars, fast attack strike groups made of a Sovie and two Intrepids represented supply line attackers that prevented the Dominion/Cardassian alliance from ever being safe, tremendous resources had to be dedicated to supply line protection as the speed and power of these groups was unmatched, hitting like a whole fleet and outrunning and gunning their rivals, nothing fast enough to catch them could survive them and nothing tough enough to challenge them could catch them.
What, no love for the Defiant? That ship was one of the most iconic vessels of the Dominion War and was one of the few Starfleet ships the Founders knew by name because of how many Jem'Hadar vessels it turned to scrap metal. It was also pretty much the only Starfleet ship that was given a caveat from the Treaty of Algeron and legally allowed to use a cloaking device.
That's not how the list works. The Defiant, while being a powerful tough little ship, was never top of the line. He's not taking any bias towards hero ships, i like that.
The Ambassador class is hands down my number one all time favorite Trek starship design. It's far more balanced and symmetrical than either the oddly disproportionate, bottom and rear heavy Excelsior or the absurdly bloated, top and forward heavy Galaxy. I don't see it so much as a transitional platform between those two classes but more of a 'throwback' profile or 'retro Connie' design model, resembling more than anything else a supermassive, hugely beefed up, far heavier and bulkier Constitution class on steroids.
Star Trek FANS and the Sovereign Class (Enterprise-E) were ROBBED. It’s the best looking Ship in the series and makes the most sense when it comes to how a space ship should be designed. It should have gotten the most screen time as the Original Constitution Class, the A, and D, and especially any other that got more
Yes good point. It was the most powerfull ship for a short time. I guess it had alot of firepower but wasn't really great at anything else other than intercept and destroy. The list is taking a more "who was best of it's time and could do alot of things" approach.
I love the lines and the look of the Excelsior. Sleek massive and classy. My favorite. Next favorite is probably Sovereign class Enterprise. Third is USS Nebula. None of these have anything to do with power. Purely a looks thing.
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
It doesn´t really matter. Every time they stumble upon the enemy their shield are down to only 30% and they are all about to die. Damn. Couldn´t they think of something a bit more clever?
Thats it!! He hates the refit!!! :)...My favorite ship of almost all of them. Missing the point on some of these. like the Excelsior vs Defiant. Defiant was trying NOT to kill or destroy the Excel whereas the Excel was most certainly trying to destroy Defiant.
Yes they are all beautiful ships in their own Era of designs, time of service star trek has some great ships. The battle star Galactica ships were cool to the 70's TV show .
@@charlesdavis545 yes, thank you, but we were talking about the Oddessy CLASS ships, not the Galaxy class one. It had nothing to do with my question. The "Oddessy" in the pic comparing the sizes of the two classes is clearly not the same design as the Enterprise F.
I watch a lot of these list, and yours is one that isn't biased for hero ships and well thought out. The top dog just happens to be my favorite ship for Starfleet, and the way you placed it and the others was really good. Might disagree with one or two's posistion on here, but they wouldn't be switched around hardly at all. You are really good at the technical ideology of stuff and look forward to other videos.
Thank you so much! Really means a lot.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
The Excelsior class for the Federation is equivalent to the B-52 of the USAF with it’s longevity amongst more technologically advanced ships/planes
That’s an interesting analogy. It works!
I was going to make the same comparison
Best analogy I’ve seen to date, but they’ll probably refit the BUFF to be an interstellar bomber.
Roger that!
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You would have thought with all of the possible threats in the Universe including the Romulans and Klingons, Starfleet would have built an actual Warship designed for nothing more than to defend/destroy objectives. Their one serious attempt was the flawed Defiant Class which they scrapped after only a few prototypes.
Literally every other race in the Universe had ships designed specifically for war, even the friggin' Ferengi had Warships for God's sake.
Given that, there were all of these races involved with Starfleet but yet, Starfleet was commonly getting outclassed in both shields and firepower by the Klingons and the Romulans. With all of the different races of people in Starfleet, they should have been the most powerful in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, hands down.
To be honest, while the Klingons had great armament on their ships, their shields were their Achilles heal. But the Romulans had the best shields and armament on their ships. If the Romulans were as war-like as the Klingons, the Romulans would have controlled the entire Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Someone needs to come in and really "clean up" the canon timelines of both Star Trek Universes. They are both a mess and with the Discovery, that surely didn't help them at all lol.
The Enterprise B variant of the Excelsior is one of my favorite designs, such simple changes to the original but it looks so much better.
I agree. And they literally just did it to have a piece to blow off, but it looks great!
The excelsior looks like a min van to me. I never could shake that impression and it has made me dislike it. The back deck around the shuttle bay is elongated and gives me that impression. My top three in no order are soverign, ambassador, and the odyssey. I am interested in hearing others people top ships, top 3 or 5 or whatever if you cant make up your mind.
@@mrbreck1OK, I'm gonna have to go with The Refit as my all time favorite, and I really like the Enterprise(well all of them really) but the C stands out. I love how it bridges the gap between the B and D perfectly. However, I love the Stargazer/Hathaway and the Miranda class. Honestly, I like most starlet ships, but there are a few stinkers as well. Not too fond of the Voyager or Oberth class.
"Odyssey is the biggest ship ever by startfleet" Enterprise J: am I a joke to you 😂
Enterprise J was a hypothetical future. We don’t know if it will ever come to pass.
@GiantFreakinRobot I understand but I believe that the temporal war did happend as per discovery and enterprise and being it was on screen I would take that as canon
I think the appropriate line would be The Odyssey was the largest ship starfleet had produced up to that point.
Not counting ships from the Kelvin Timeline (The Vengeance dwarfs an Odyssey) or from other non canon sources like Star Trek online. The Odyssey is the biggest seen on screen. Technically we only see the J's interior on Enterprise with a ship schematic on a bulkhead. We can infer how big it is but it's not directly shown. In STO, the J or Universe class is the biggest, even bigger than Vengeance.
I was going too make this comment but i figured the comments would be mostly yes. I however love the J and still hope too just see it on screen again. Till then Il just accidentally use it in missions and block all the cutscenes in STO then apologize when i realize im using the J
@@hybridtmaybe it did, but it’s not canon that it did
There's an elephant in the room... the Prometheus-class.
could not agree more... I mean the thing took on 2 Akira's, a Defiant, and 3 D'deridex class Roman Warbirds. - with two EMHs (one obsolete and one 'beta') at the helm. It also disabled a Nebula for giggles.
Yeah, that multi-vector mode.
Scotty is going to have a seriously major headache when he regains conscious.
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Starfleet😭 was a joke and UFP was not taken seriously by other great power that considered themselves as a galactic powers; never considered UFP😩 a power... 5:55 I am not feeling the FOMO💰... Where is my latinum #TDBank💳?🌎💘💰
Bonk.
Nah he happily retired.
The Klingon Bird of Prey is the R2-D2 of the Star Trek universe:
Always there, defying expectations, with plot armor so thick it even prevents aging.
I was half expecting one to take out USS Discovery during the finale.
Love the comparison. Very true
Plot armor so thick! Lol I love it.
A bird of prey inexplicably destroying Discovery sounds lovely.
There have been many different Klingon birds of prey over the years:
M'Chla class, K'vort-class, B'rel-class, D12 class & Class 5 (pressumably there would be a class 1 to 4 as well?)
It would be more accurate to say that the bird of prey is a type of ship; a Corvette for example.
@@AccesslessExactly. They made scout class vessels in the BOP design that held only a dozen officers and men as well as larger battle ship size versions carrying much larger crew compliments. Basically an order to size type ship.( Interestingly enough, the Bird of prey in ST3 was originally a Romulan ship that the Klingons stole. Hence, the green color and bird on the underside, until the script just changed it to a Klingon vessel)
Hold the phone partner, what happened to the DREADNAUGHT class? That was a purpose built WARSHIP.
That's the alternate timeline. We don't talk about it.
Not prime timeline
@@GiantFreakinRobot We rank the top 7 most powerful ships in the entire Star Trek franchise, including Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Picard, and every show and movie set in the Federation's fictional universe.
Make up your mind
Hummm same thing I was thinking that ship was a beast
@@Maddmaxx0007 It was, but it was taken out like a death star.
The Connie refit was outmatched by the Bird of Prey? The BoP commander said, and I quote, "They outgun us 3 to 1!"
And yet
@@GiantFreakinRobotit was a surprise attack on a skeleton crew on a ship that was 20 years old that hadn’t been repaired from the battle damage against khan. You sir are no Trekkie
@@GiantFreakinRobot
"The automation system is overloaded. I didnt expect us to take her into combat, ya know."
- Captain Scott
The Enterprise in this battle is barely functional. Its not really fair to hold it against her.
@@issamkholoud2009 Be nice
@@Zoroasterisk he said “and yet” he was being condescending
i am surprised having watched the whole video that Defient Class wasnt in there as a power house.. it literally is a Starfleet Warship (unofficially) its actual class is an Escort ship. but was the first war ship starfleet put into service to combat the borg. with its over charges warp core and pulse phasers (that remind me of ED209 from RoboCop when fired) thats one TOUGH little ship.. certainly one of the most powerful for its era
The Defiant is awesome but what kills me is that it was almost destroyed the first time they used it on DS9. Always baffled me.
I wanted to hear more about the Defiant.
If I remember correctly the Defiant was pulling its punches vs the Lakota
A bit. Lakota gave them trouble though and they had to stop
@@GiantFreakinRobotthe defiant crew specifically said that if they didn't stop they would destroy the Lakota. The Lakota was trying to disable them from the start and barely survived. The Defiant was just trying to get by.
You were correct, because of sisko’s unwillingness to fire on another starfleet vessel. He considered it an act of treason
Both vessels refused to use quantum torpedos because they refused to absolutely destroy the other. But yeah the Lakota upgrades surprised the Defiant for sure.
@samuelowens3853 actually I think the Lakota was more surprised about the defiant having ablation armor too. Captain Benzine was pissed lol. But yes, both captain refused and that is what really made love that episode
Defiant : size matters not!!! Judge me by my size do you, hmmm?😂
It nearly tore itself apart in drills when engines were brought up to full power
She may have flaws but she has teeth
the intrepid class ships with upgrades was the best starfleet design ever
You mean with Borg tech?
Gel packs. Ablative armor. #Janeway nuff said
Defiant Class for the win!
To answer this question, I think you could use a game that features as many of these ships as possible, equip them with the same or similar gear, and then test them against similar targets -- that is, if your focus is on military might, which Starfleet mostly was not. They had ships focused on exploration, science, patrol, diplomacy, defense, and projecting an image of power and strength, especially in the post-Wolf 359 era. You also have to contend with the fact that we have few or no canon feats for many Starfleet vessels, including the Universe- and Odyssey classes. Starfleet ships later specialized in specific fields and endeavours, so they would be great at one thing, and not great at others.
And then there are the outliers among their class, which were different because of what they had gone through. _USS Excelsior_ was different from other Excelsiors of her time, and completely different from _USS Lakota_ or an Excelsior-II. _USS Voyager_ was a completely different ship when she returned to Earth than the standard Intrepid-class she started as. 'Power' differs based on what it is the ship is doing.
Then there's the equipment installed. Warp drives, nacelles, power management systems, computers were all completely different in the 22nd, 23rd, and 24th centuries. Starfleet was comparatively outmoded until the later Ambassador or Narendra-classes. And the computers got overhauled again in the Intrepid's age. Starfleet's design doctrine also changed depending on what they needed, and what they had been through. The Connie and Sovereign were designed for different goals, yet the Sovy still refers back to the Connie in some ways.
And again, if you give various ships the same level of tech for their equipment, you're going to find less differences in their performances. Only their unique points would let you tell them apart. Games like _STO_ let you choose your ship without any specific requirements because only their traits and special abilities are different. You can play all the missions and beat them with any of them.
I would play the heck out of that game.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Well, you still can. It's more than time they updated the engine, though. Summer event is on. You can get a T6 ship from there if you're fast.
*cough CREW
So the Defiant, and Akira class are not worth mentioning compared to the Excelsior or Constitution class??
Not in that list because they never outmatched the top of the line by the time they were introduced.
No Intrepid class? That ship survived 7 years in the Delta quadrant.
I realy liked how u put skemstics of all the ships. A lot of people don’t do that a lot and for people like me who have issues visualizing 3d spaces it helps to see the ship skemstics to get a real feel for it
We are just nerds for MSDs. Some day I want to do a video just going over one really good MSD in detail… but that would probably cause a mass unsubscribe from the channel😆
@@GiantFreakinRobot or a mass subscribe for other nerds like myself
One man’s trash is another’s treasure
The battles between Enterprise the Reliant and the Bird of Prey in Trekk II and III are not good examples. The Reliant didnt out gun the Enterprise, it fired on a ship that was not in a battle preparation and with a training crew and the Bird of Prey was fighting a severely handicapped Enterprise. A Bird of Prey has no chance against The Enterprise in a head to head battle.
You bunch of Geeks. The most powerful Star Trek Ship ever was, of course, USS Voyager under the Command of Janeway. Think about it. That's all I'm saying.
The only ship to trump several borg vessels and then say we need a bigger bad guy lol. In all seriousness though that series was terrible and I loved every moment of it XD
I'm with you! How is the Intrepid class not even mentioned? it survived 7 years in the Delta quadrant against #Vidians #Borg #Kazon #Hirogen.
🎉I hate to nit pick...but i think you are confusing the 23rd century with the 2300's and the 24th century with the 2400's. The excelsior was launched in the late 23rd century, or the late 2200's. The ones launched in the 24th century would be launched in the 2300's. This was a great video though! ❤
Thanks for the kind words. You may be right on the dates!
@@GiantFreakinRobot I didn't want to say anything at first because I didn't want to seem rude. But I figured a little constructive criticism wouldn't hurt. Honestly, you put out so much good info I can see how after a while that would slip. I sometimes do the same. Any reason the Intrepid class wasn't on here in some capacity? Voyager kicked ass a whole lotta times...though we really only have her as an example unless you count the Bellerophon.
Ya that threw me off.
If l was going to be in a war in the late 24th century against an enemy, the Sovereign class is the best. My favourite ship besides the Constitution refit.
In that Excelsior class vs. Defiant battle, the Defiant did not go into the battle seeking to destroy the other ship. If Worf decided to wage an all-out, balls to the wall fight from the onset of that battle, the Lakota would have been space debris.
Neither did the Lakota.
Nothing were pulling their punches, so pointing out that Defiant was without stating tbe same for Lakota is frankly dishonest.
Feact of the matter is that both were quite capable of destroying the other.
@@bairdrew I have to disagree. The Lakota fired four times before the Defiant fought back. Worf never went into that battle thinking that he would have to fight the Lakota. I just watched the clip again. Neither ship used their full compliment of weapons though, to be fair. That much is clear.
@majorsynthqed7374 for some reason autocorrect changed "both" to "nothing" which quite drastically changes what I was saying in that sentence.
Basically I agree that neither ship was trying particularly hard to defeat the other.
@@bairdrew I always wondered if Worf's inner Klingon would have kicked in and just went full kick ass mode.
@@majorsynthqed7374 I believe he'd learnt his lesson after being reamed for blowing up that cloaked transport during the klingon-cardassian conflict.
Totally missed the Prometheus Class that was able to take on a Romulan Warbird and destroy it by itself.
Perfect video for Friday morning thank you so much
Excellent logic for ranking ships
Perfect comment to start a Friday morning! Glad you liked it!
Very good description of the refit constitution class. Unlike most CZcamsrs, you put them in perfect context..
The bird of prey with a dozen crew is the B'Rel and the K'Vort class has a crew of around 50
and the Kvort is like 230m long. But its weapons stayed proportional...so VERY strong distruptors.
Yes they were pretty slapdash with it.
You are forgetting the most power ship ever made in star flee the oberth
It’s so powerful it doesn’t even need turbo lifts between the two hulls!
The USS Lolipop, as manned by Will Riker. He said it was a "good ship".
Made out of explodium. One hit from a Klingon photo torpedo or a light hit from a Borg cutting beam and Ta-Dah! It’s gone! 🤣
They should have renamed it the " O-Shit" class, because one good fart in it direction and it was doomed.
The video was entertaining. But afterwards I’m left there thinking “wtf did I just watch? A video ranking pretend spaceships based on their actions in a TV show…”
Why do you think there's more worthwhile things to be doing? the sun will swollow the earth, the universe wlll die a heat death. Just accept that it's enough to be happy and learn to play the harp.
Welcome friend. You are now one of us.
We’re all quite mad here
Meh, it's a good way to turn your brain off and have fun.
What did you thing you were going to watch when you started the video?
One of the few videos of this kind that I watched all the way through, seems well researched. The Excelsior class is my favourite design so I may be a tad biased, though it's tough to deny how long it's been in service and how good it's been.
Thanks. Genuinely appreciate it. We take our ships seriously.
Great breakdown video. Well organized and entertaining. 💪🙂👍
Thanks!!
great video 😊 my fav is always gonna be that darn galaxy class. can't help it
Thanks! If we are talking favorites, mine is always going to be the Refit.
Great video, as are the rest of them. Question, am I right in interpreting you are only including production ships within the original timeline? The USS Vengeance would surely be included even though it had a very short lifespan!
Yeah prime timeline only
@@GiantFreakinRobot you won’t catch me raising a fuss about not including what JJ did to ST…
@@GiantFreakinRobot …as it should be thanks to our pal JJ, destroyer of many universes.
Excelsior doesn't get the respect it deserves, IMO.
Sorry, as far as what ship people think about when they think of Star Trek, I think of the Constitution Class. You have to remember Star Trek has been around for a very long time now, people think of the ship they grew up with over the current trend. I think it has to do with the ship that got them involved in Star Trek in the first place.
Great Video, thank you for sharing.
The bulk of Starfleet’s ships were mainly used for exploring not war
Not during the Dominion War.
The Dominion War lasted 2 years@@GiantFreakinRobot
Good point. Only #Sovereign #Prometheus #Intrepid #Akira and #Defiant classes were built for combat.
You really give the Connie a worf effect you know? The point is she IS that powerful, but gets crippled every time, so ingenuity using what’s left is what drives the story, and helps prevent ridiculous power creep like what happened in Star Trek Nemesis. Honestly I feel it forces better stories since it’s more about outfoxing the enemy using intelligent and combined tactics of the crew working together, then just more Dakka.
How could you not include the Defiant class and put an entry onto this list twice? Defiant isn't a battleship but it could engage dedicated warships many times its size and/or while severely outnumbered.
The Defiant was strong and tough for it's size but the video is about the deadliest ships. In the regard the Defiant was limited, it's weaponry whilst powerful against ships of a similar size don't have the same destructive capabilities as weapons found on bigger ships that have room for bigger cannon emplacements and larger power plants to use them. Think of it in terms of a naval destroyer vs a battleship, the bigger the ship the bigger the guns.
I think his choice to leave it out makes some sense, yes the defiant is an amazing vessel, but it is highly focused for combat. He was touching on overall performance. That said it should atleast gained an honorable mention as it was at every phase of the battle for earth in First Contact!
@@matthewcaskey1051 Also technically the Defiant is classed as an escort ship. it would be considered a Destroyer or Frigate by modern navy standards. The Intrepid and probably Constitution Class would be Cruisers while the Soveriegn Class, Galaxy Glass, Excelsior and other ships of that size would be Battleships and the centerpeice of a strike force (since Star Trek does not seem to employ Carriers the way most other Sci-Shows like Babylon 5, Star Wars Stargate, or BSG do)
@MrMalve25 they do! Look up the Midway class, they do have fighters and they were even used during the show, think peregrine is the name of them? Something like that.
It actually was a battleship; it was designed as a deterrent to the Borg.
One other thought - not openly discussed outside fan circles, is the idea of blocks. Not all Excelsiors were the same; refits + block enhancements. Good discussion though - thank you!
You’re welcome!
Such a well done video ❤❤❤🎉
The most powerful ship is whatever one Captain James T. Kirk and his crew are in command of at the time.
Exactly! The best ships had the best captains; #Archer #Kirk #Sisko #Picard #Janeway
You make it sound like the Sovereign somewhat surpassed or countered Borg Cubes which it didn't. The whole reason why it could destroy the cube in First Contact was due to Picard's connection to the Borg. Still a great video!
I still think it had a better shot than any other ship, with or without Picard
@@GiantFreakinRobot That's totally true
True. A Borg Cube could EASILY destroy a Sovereign if it wanted to. I don't even think it could defeat a Borg Sphere in straight combat, but that's not how the Borg operate. Their goal is to assimilate, not destroy.
You'd think that given his Cube destroying knowledge can be expressed with big red X on a picture of a Cube - that he'd of just told Starfleet instead of being moody and keeping it to himself.
@@JohnnyWednesday I like the idea of the big X 🤣 but I think this was either a one time situation like structural weakness that happened during the battle. If it was an actual weakspot the Borg would quite quickly adapt, maybe even by the data they received from this fight.
I love the galaxy class. In Picard season 3. I got pretty excited when they took it out of the museum..NCC 701 D ❤❤❤❤
They all would be great if their shields didn't go down after the first volley!
Where's my Excelsior mafia at!?!?!
I’d say the Ambassador started building in the mid 2320s.
Figure 40 years between the launch of the major multi mission flagship classes :
2245 - Constitution
2285 - Excelsior
2325 - Ambassador
2360 - Galaxy
2400 - Odyssey
I wasnt aware the Ambassador's career was that short. But i kinda figured the excelsior would win out here it fits the saying "She's old, but she'll hold" really well.
The Constitution class refit was taken out by a bird of prey due to the electrical short in the automation which left the ship helpless. This is true, although it only had 6 crew members if I remember correctly, at the time. But you seem to have forgotten that the Galaxy class with a full crew was taken out by an antique bird of prey. The Galaxy class did have very good fire power and excellent shields, but it was a paper tiger. If you could get past it's shields, it was easy prey as it couldn't take a hit without shields.
Although it isn't relevant to this list, I have always hated the way it looked. To me it looked like it belonged on a space version of the love boat, not like a ship that was expected to be able to fight. At least that does explain why it couldn't take a hit without shields. On the other hand the Constitution was made with the idea of having to be able to handle it's self without help. And the way it looks shows it. It looks like it can take a hit and was made to be maneuverable. It had a better turning radios than any comparable ship of the time. It was the ship that saved the federation in the Klingon war.
Although I do believe that the Constitution should be higher on the list, I must admit that you done a much better job on this list than I would have myself. Well done!!
Purely a personal opinion, but the "All or Nothing" armour design of the Galaxy Class made sense. The challenge is mass. Even with the very loose adherence to physics in Star Trek, the Galaxy (and Nebula class), would have been ungodly heavy. As a primarily deep space explorer and first responder to emergencies, her monstrous engines were already an essential requirement for speed. It's logical to forgo the mass of physical defenses in exchange for maneuverability (which would already be a problem in a ship that size). Despite their need to create tension for exciting TV, Enterprise D's deflectors should have been able to tank far mor than what was depicted. When you add those phaser banks that could level cities...
As for the Constitution Class her hull was built before the defector screens were even a standard part of the loadout, Enterprise Refit possibly having one of the earliest setups, at least that's how it appeared to me in The Motion Picture when they first encountered V'Ger.
@@andytol1976 First of all, don't worry about me getting offended just because you have a different opinion. That is how we should learn. ;-}}
I would say that your reasoning for the lack of armor would make since if it was made as one solid ship, although I would still disagree with it as a ship that size will never be hard to hit. But with it being made to separate, that should not be a problem. I know that for budget reasons in the show they didn't use that ability. But it is still a part of the ship. In my opinion what they should have done with the Galaxy design was to armor everything except the saucer section. Then when they separated, it would have been a deadly ship.
Regarding the Constitution class ship. It was originally made as a combat ship, although not a dedicated war ship. That was a large part of it's concept. And it always had shields. They just got an upgrade to them in the movie. One of the big advantages of the Constitution was that it was more maneuverable than it's Klingon counterpart.
Let's just say it as it is. The writers had to think of something to get rid of the Enterprise D to make room for a starship that fits better for the movies. :(
Hated that ship with that big ass saucer.
Considering how big and complex those ships were, I'm surprised they developed new models so fast (just think how long ships and planes remain in service nowadays).
I think the Miranda class refit should have made the list. The Miranda actually has more internal volume than a refit Constitution and on paper was quantifiably superior for combat than a Constitution having a similar number and type of phasers but also adding dual fore and aft torpedo launchers. Had the fight at Regula been a fair fight with both sides ready and no trickery they would have been evenly matched with only the legendary vs inexperienced crew truly deciding the outcome.
Voyager kick every ass in the Delta Quadrant.
Yeah but you don’t really believe it’s a more powerful ship than the Sovereign or Galaxy do you?
@@GiantFreakinRobot - Why not - you think an ancient constitution class is more powerful than them. You've made me so mad! I've had to buy an ice cream.
Preach it!
The constitution class starship was vicious with the M5 computer tie in. Then again, any starship would have been invincible with the M5... until they met the Borg. But, maybe the M5 could beat the Borg single handedly.
well the "most powerful" would have to be the most advanced... discovery in the future.
my first impulse was to say future upgraded borg proof voyager with ablative armor
Sorry folks! But my favorites are the Akyazi Class Perimeter Actions ships and the Abbe Class Photon Torpedo Destroyers... Nuff Said
Connie refit survived a V'ger blast when Klingon comparable ships couldn't. The fight with the Reliant and first Bird of Prey were without shields. Reliant hit it with a sneak attack and the ship wasn't fully repaired against the Bird of Prey. Enterprise-A was a Connie refit tech up against a prototype Bird of Prey at the end of its life.
Excelsior refit was a great mod (like Enterprise A and Lakota).
I’m not arguing that the Connie refit wasn’t badass. It had its moments or it would not be on the list at all. But it wasn’t as far beyond the other ships of its era as the ships higher on the list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot However, the Klingon captain in Star Trek 3 was also confused, why the Enterprise didn't just finish them off. He knew that the Constitution class was a much more powerful ship. The only reason the Constitution class lost was because it simply wasn't able to take another fight because of the battle against Kahn without repairs. Even the most powerful ship can lose to a small fighter if it can't defend itself properly.
@@GiantFreakinRobot And yet a "normal" BOP destroyed a Galaxy class ship with ease.
I'll always go with the Galaxy class because that's what I grew up with
Nicely done sir👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you kindly
0:49 I have to comment on the image at this time index, given the comparison between the Constitution, Excelsior and Galaxy classes. In this image thr Excelsior (NCC-2000) looks like a monster next to the Enterprise-A. That would make the Galaxy class (Enterprise-D for example) look positively gargantuan next to the Entetprise-A.
The tactics of ones crew make the difference i think
Exactly. The best crews were under Kirk, Archer, Picard, Janeway, and Sisko.
Captain Erika Benteen was not an inexperienced captain when the Lokata was sent to stop the Defiant. She was a newly commissioned captain but was a highly skilled officer.
But inexperienced as a Captain
Kruge did say they had him outgunned 10 to 1. Enterprise could have reduced that bird of prey to ash in both III and VI had it not been for the fact that both times she was at a disadvantage. In fact, Enterprise could have finished off the bird of prey in VI by herself after blowing it out of cloak.
Odessy and Thurgy class are IMHO two of the finest looking ships in the fleet.
TOS Enterprise will always have a special place.
Oh if we are going by looks this would be a very different list!
Although set in the Kelvin timeline the Dreadnought Class was bigger than the Odyssey class, at least twice the size.
During your Excelsior class briefing, you’ve got your centuries wrong. The Excelsior class was launched in the 2290s (33rd century), and lasted into the 2380s (34th century).
The Original Series Enterprise is the most powerful ship of all time in Starfleet. It absorbed weapons fire from Nomad and it never had exploding scenes on the bridge or any other part of the ship.
No disrespect to anyone who likes the Odyssey class but I personally have never been a fan of the design. I rather prefer the sleek and sexy design of the Sovereign, whereas the the 1701-F feels like a huge slow whale by comparison.
Im so so on how it looks but it’s so big it has to be on this list.
@@GiantFreakinRobot Oh I definitely understand that. Aesthetically speaking, for me personally I will always like the look of the refit Constitution and the Sovereign. For those folks that do like the design of the F, honestly, good for them. Glad they enjoy it.
Thank you for saying exactly what I thought of that ship. Slow whale is exactly what it looks like.
Maybe it was designed in case the whale probe comes back lol
Not all ships need to be fast or easy to maneuver, she is a bit of those big capital ships.
If memory serves the NX series wasn't a ship classification per se but the designation of experimental and prototypes. Or was it officially called the NX class because the NX01 was technically the first? I dunno, all I know is the NX01 didn't technically lead to a set of ships built like it because it was a platform to test the new designs starfleet had.
My fav was the Akira class, Starfleet's battle boat from hell! It just never got the screen time outside of the video games. 😈
Great ship. But inferior to the Sovereign
It got a lot during #Startrekfirstcontact and the Dominion War on #DS9
"A few years" of connie refit dominance being around 20, from 2271 when Kirk went V'ger hunting, to around 2290 when the Excelsior was formally commissioned.
Think some conclusions weren't entirely based on accuracy. The Lakota was specifically upgraded and O'Brien's reaction inferred that this not not your typical Excelsior. The Defiant also falls in to this trap in the same episode having modifications that weren't known to Starfleet, however, there was only one ship of it's type so we don't know what a typical Defiant class would have. Pretty much every thing else made sense but you did slip up a few times.
What class of ship was the Dreadnaught from the Star Trek remake?
Cool vid mate.
New subscriber.
Thanks!
Thanks for the sub!
@@GiantFreakinRobot, Thanks for the cool content!
Given that the Defiant class is the only true warship, I.e. it's designer, Sisko wanted it specially to fight, I would pick one of those if I wanted to go into a combat situation.
For anything else I'd pick an Intrepid class or it's successor, Voyager really defined that class and I'm pretty sure Admiral Ross used one (The USS Bellerophon) in the dominion war that fared well in every battle it had.
Also given how well the Enterprise-E fared against the Scimitar that outgunned her 3 to 1, I think a pair of Sovereigns or maybe 3 of them could have actually defeated the Scimitar.
I have a soft spot for the NX-01 though, I know its massively primitive compared to the modern era but back in the day it was on the higher end of ships at the time. Warp 5 was considered fast back then and once it was upgraded post expanse, it could fight evenly against actual warships of it's era.
The Defiant is great but it was a contemporary of the Sovereign and no way it could take a Sovereign
@@GiantFreakinRobot we don’t know how either ship would fair really against each other. The defiant however is absolutely far more maneuverable than a sovereign and possesses the same power plant of a galaxy class ship.
The defiant especially the prototype that was commanded by Sisko performed well in every battle it had, it could even fight two kilngon battlecruisers while it was evacuating a ship of cardassians without shields and still warp away.
It could take on 4 Jen Hadar destroyers alone, ram one, destroy the others and still cloak and warp.
It took a heavily modified Excelsior class ship to fight evenly with the Defiant.
@@WaveForceful The biggest problem with the Defiant Class of Warships was that it have numerous design flaws which would cause "bugs" throughout the systems during combat. If pushed too hard, it was said it would tear itself apart. It's like putting an oversized motor in a muscle car and then not beefing up the transmission, suspension, and rear end to handle it.
You are correct though in the fact that the Defiant Class of Starships were the ONLY true Warships ever built by Starfleet which seems odd when they constantly faced stronger threats such as the Romulans and Klingons and of course, the Borg.
The Dominion was the least biggest threat they ever faced since their ships were not really that powerful, the crews had to be constantly drugged to man them, and they needed more ships than their enemies to defeat them. Of course, the Dominion soared when it came to gaining allies to fight against their enemies, that is where their power really came from.
Not to mention, with all of the different races involved in Starfleet, they should have been leagues ahead of all of their enemies such as the Klingons and Romulans, but for some weird reason, they really weren't. They barely matched with the Klingons and both the Klingons and Starfleet were far behind the Romulans when it came to shields and armament.
And will someone please explain to me why literally every Starfleet evasive maneuver seemed to land those ships in more trouble than if they just "winged it"??? LOL.
Defiant was tough. Super armor, quantum torpedoes. Yellow blasters, plus it was tiny and fast, so hard to hit.
It isn't the only "true" warship. Lots of others were build for the sheer purpose of fighting the Borg. Steamrunner, Akira, Nova, and Sabre were all made for kicking butt.
There were a lot of Starfleet ship designs and you could never cover them all but I was surprised the Intrepid class didn't make the list. There was a whole series written around one.
Yep sums it up, you forgot the juggernaut class though
This was an excellent and well thought out presentation of the topic!
This level of quality demands my subscription!
Well Done!!
Thank you!!
Poor Scotty putting a dent in this traeger
Dam head banging I love it!
Haha thanks. We thought it was funny at least
this would have been a lot better if done in the time line from earliest to latest.
still tho got a sub from me
8:43 "Despite its massive size, the Galaxy class was the fastest ship of its time ever produced, and was also surprisingly maneuverable."
_Somewhere, in another galaxy, Lando Calrissian and Han Solo are smiling...._
Okay he didn't properly rank, so I am going to do the top 3. Number 1 is the Excelsior because from the time it shows up on the field, to the Lakota's showing against the defiant it is just terrifyingly powerful......if you have ever played Klingon Academy, the fear of seeing its torpedo barrages was horrifying - 6 forward launchers with triple lauch spread ability meant 18 forward torpedos in a salvo.... Next up, by his metrics, the Original Connie was pure dominance over its contemporaries for a reasonable amount of time as Starfleet's premier Heavy Cruiser so it gets number 2. And lastly at number 3 is the Sovereign because of their roles in the dominion wars, fast attack strike groups made of a Sovie and two Intrepids represented supply line attackers that prevented the Dominion/Cardassian alliance from ever being safe, tremendous resources had to be dedicated to supply line protection as the speed and power of these groups was unmatched, hitting like a whole fleet and outrunning and gunning their rivals, nothing fast enough to catch them could survive them and nothing tough enough to challenge them could catch them.
My favorite is the Aluminum Falcon
What, no love for the Defiant? That ship was one of the most iconic vessels of the Dominion War and was one of the few Starfleet ships the Founders knew by name because of how many Jem'Hadar vessels it turned to scrap metal. It was also pretty much the only Starfleet ship that was given a caveat from the Treaty of Algeron and legally allowed to use a cloaking device.
That's not how the list works. The Defiant, while being a powerful tough little ship, was never top of the line. He's not taking any bias towards hero ships, i like that.
What about the uss vengeance. That thing was beast.
I'm a fan of the Sovereign Class. I play STO and my favorite ship is the Lexington Class Dreadnaught.
The Ambassador class is hands down my number one all time favorite Trek starship design. It's far more balanced and symmetrical than either the oddly disproportionate, bottom and rear heavy Excelsior or the absurdly bloated, top and forward heavy Galaxy. I don't see it so much as a transitional platform between those two classes but more of a 'throwback' profile or 'retro Connie' design model, resembling more than anything else a supermassive, hugely beefed up, far heavier and bulkier Constitution class on steroids.
I love the way it looks too. Wish they’d used it more!
USS LAKOTA had plot armor against The Defiant. Worf and crew were not trying to destroy it
good video, thanks
but.... Defiant? Prometheus? :-)
Both ships have to face off against the Sovereign and neither can beat it.
Star Trek FANS and the Sovereign Class (Enterprise-E) were ROBBED.
It’s the best looking Ship in the series and makes the most sense when it comes to how a space ship should be designed.
It should have gotten the most screen time as the Original Constitution Class, the A, and D, and especially any other that got more
Good Stuff!
Thanks! Good to hear, we spent a crazy amount of time on it, probably more than we should have!
What about the Prometheus?
Yes good point. It was the most powerfull ship for a short time. I guess it had alot of firepower but wasn't really great at anything else other than intercept and destroy. The list is taking a more "who was best of it's time and could do alot of things" approach.
I love the lines and the look of the Excelsior. Sleek massive and classy. My favorite.
Next favorite is probably Sovereign class Enterprise.
Third is USS Nebula.
None of these have anything to do with power. Purely a looks thing.
Discovery is so massively OP, in the show they have it single handedly responsible for winning the war with the Klingons. After jumping 800 years into the future, it is still OP, and the future federation reverse engineered it to improve their fleet. I believe Discovery so so massively over powered it ruined continuity.
Sovereign Class my favorite
It doesn´t really matter. Every time they stumble upon the enemy their shield are down to only 30% and they are all about to die. Damn. Couldn´t they think of something a bit more clever?
Thats it!! He hates the refit!!! :)...My favorite ship of almost all of them. Missing the point on some of these. like the Excelsior vs Defiant. Defiant was trying NOT to kill or destroy the Excel whereas the Excel was most certainly trying to destroy Defiant.
Nope. Our favorite sci fi ship of all time. But it’s just not that powerful in context.
Yes they are all beautiful ships in their own Era of designs, time of service star trek has some great ships. The battle star Galactica ships were cool to the 70's TV show .
BSG ships are so underrated
Don't know if I missed it but what about Voyager at the end of the show is badass
Just a side mention of the Nebula class and no mention of the multifunction pod, and it's multiple photon torpedoes and extra external phaser arrays?
Romulan Warbird. The Deridex class. Hands down
Not a Starfleet ship.
Where did you get the graphic used to compare the Oddessy and Galaxy classes, because that's not an Oddessy.
The Odyssey was a Galaxy class ship destroyed by a Jem H'dar suicide hit in Deep Space Nine.
@@charlesdavis545 yes, thank you, but we were talking about the Oddessy CLASS ships, not the Galaxy class one. It had nothing to do with my question.
The "Oddessy" in the pic comparing the sizes of the two classes is clearly not the same design as the Enterprise F.
@@Lans32485 oh, my bad. Not that serious.