BROKEN carriages and a RARE diversion. Travelling on the "NEW" Copenhagen-Hamburg trains
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2023
- The IC3s have finally been replaced on the Copenhagen - Hamburg intercity train service with DSB's new Vectron locomotives and old DB IC carriages dating back to the times of the Cold War. Join us for an interesting journey to Hamburg Hbf, despite encountering a few minor roadblocks along the way on this journey taken around the launch of the "new" temporary trains in June 2023
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Train type: DSB Vectron (Litra EB)
Route: Copenhagen (København H) Hamburg HBF
Train: IC1193
Distance: 530 km/h
Journey time: 4h56m
Average speed: 104 km/h
Price: 34.90 euro
Been travelling the Copenhagen-Hamburg a couple of times and it feels like such a long trip. Maybe it just because the brain knows it's less kilometers when travelling by car (although the ferry is an addition). Will be nice when the tunnel between Rödby and Puttgarden is completed, as it will make travels to northern Germany so much easier.
Both routes (if the Rødby-Puttgarden ferry was still an option) take about the same time now.
@@erik_griswoldYeah, I know. I've also taken the Flixbus on that route, but it's my own mind's games that keep telling me it's not the shortest way (though it's about the same in actual time). LOL
@@erik_griswold That route in an overnight train took just over 6 hours; more direct but slower because of the ferry crossing. The train went to Lubeck then to Hamburg.
@@ktipussi rided that train and it vas a day trains dn took 4 h 44 min
Glad to see a new video from you! I spent last weekend binging your videos, so I am glad to see another one. Hello from Australia, again :) That "7Eleven Jetpack" is really bizarre. I can't see how it is better than using a trolley.
Thanks for watching! I think the only benefit over the trolly is that they can work on any train without needing modifications. :-)
A lot easier to handle. Can be prepared in the local 7eleven and easy to jump on/off the train. No need to use time on packing up the train, then the wagon and then unpack again. Limited offer but at least can get water, coffey and sweets.
This just reminds me that despite travelling across Denmark on several Lyntog services by DSB in the last week, I never saw one of those 7eleven guys even once, despite being on the flagship service of DSB from Copenhagen to Aalborg.
Thanks for the travel “update” on the Copenhagen-Hamburg line, Simon. I had a number of visits to Aalborg and Aarhus between 2021 and 2023, and I only traveled on the IC3 diesel trains - which are quite comfortable - without much delays. It’s gonna be a surprise what I find next time, in spring 2024.
The direct trains to Aarhus from Hamburg will remain IC3 for a little while yet. So for a trip on the Vectrons make sure to book with a change of train in Kolding!
Yeah! Thanks for the note. I‘ll make sure to exactly plan my route! Maybe I should rather go on the old Diesels while they are operating; and maybe I can even catch a ride on one of the ICL - doesn’t that (IClyn or Lyntog) mean it’s one of the few IC4 trains the DSB finally got to work (more or less)?
I went with one of those about one week ago from Hamburg to Copenhagen. Because of a broken signal in Nyborg it took almost 6 hours, I‘m really looking forward to when the faster line via Nykoebing is reopened.
That line is not coming back to the tunnel is open in 2029 (or later likely)
Went from Stockholm to Hamburg with Euronights without problems. Then going back from Hamburg to Stockholm, the train from Hamburg left 20 minutes early without warning (leaving people in hamburg), there weren't even enough coaches and we still arrive late. During this i found out my train from Copenhagen would depart from Malmö, and the train over the bridge to Malmö broke down. The Sj train still waited, but I will be flying next time for sure.
Flyget tar 1,5 timme ;) (även om nattåget är acceptabelt)
And last time i tried to take the Euronight, it went though the station nonstop and left me stranded. This route has many issues unfortunately regardless of operator :-(
Nice overview I appreciate
Thanks for watching!
new day new dsb disappointment
De Slidte Baner
Blame the governments for last 30 years. It’s their fault.
@@Thedohdoh I know but still disappointing
@@Thedohdoh banedanmark is also underfunded so in general the outcome if a state ignores its railway.
Hopefully the tunnel will be ready soon.
2029 or later, so still some time to go!
cant wait for our new talgo wagons
Why not they running X31 electric multiple unit at Copenhagen - odense - Hamburg route when they run it Copenhagen - Malmo - Gothenburg. That X31 emu looks so modern.
They dont have the german signaling system.
On our last visit to Denmark, we used Copenhagen Main Station several times and I thought that it was a very good station- better than some of the stations in London.
Apart from a short local trip, we visited Malmo and finally took a train to Copenhagen Airport for our flight home. Regrettably, that train to the airport was the only bad part of our holiday. It was crowded and we struggled to reach the door of the coach to get off at the airport. The IC3 trains do not have enough doors.
Its certainly a good station and its kept clean. The IC3s are really getting tired now and their replacements will start arriving in 2 years :-)
The IC3s terminate at the airport so how can it be a struggle to get out? Or was it an ET (Øresundståg)
I don't know what it was called, but it was definitely continuing to Sweden, not terminating. It was full of backpackers standing, which made it so difficult. I wasn't aware that there were trains for the airport only. It is a few years ago, so I may have missed information on the destination display.@@fmattiasc
its cuz you took an intercity train instead of a regional øresunds train
I travelled from Hamburg to København on the overnight train that used the ferry between Putgarden and Rødby, and back again a week later. Trip was just over 6 hours leaving København at 2345 but that didn't matter on an overnight train as no point in getting to Hamburg at 4am and twiddling your thumbs until a cafe opens at 6am for breakfast!
The temperature on one day I was there got to 30 degrees C which I was told by a Finnish girl was the hottest day in Denmark for 50 years. That was 1982, but I understand there have been similar hot days there since. It didn't bother me, as coming from Sydney NSW Oz 30 degree days are quite normal, but many of the locals took to the beach, a short trip on a suburban train.
The overnight train still exist but runs via Jutland now. However now you also have the choice of SJ and Snalltåget which have beds on the route :-)
Thanks for your story. Have you been in Denmark since?
@@zenshy2139 Unfortunately no. Need lots of $$ to go to Europe from Australia; need to save up.
About the power outlets: Part of the German rolling stock running in these trains has not undergone the latest "ICmod" refurbishment programme. Those only have a few power outlets near the tables of 4 seats. It's a good idea to take along a power bank, because you don't know where you end up when you reserve your seat.
They also didn't get a refurbishment of the air conditioning system ("technical modernization package"), hence the unusable coaches ... it's a bit unreliable after more than 40 years. This rolling stock actually comes from the "technical reserve" of not entirely modernized cars. (Actually it's still the same seats used in the 1980s when the Bpmz series was built, then with seat covers in light green and yellow, the backside of the seats were brown and the sidewalls yellow, very typical for the era around 1980 ...)
Not sending bistro/restaurant coaches to Denmark seems to have a tradition. In the past people were expected to have lunch on the ferry, now the trains aren't using the ferry any more ...
Thanks for the info! I think they have sorted out most of the aircon issues now, good thing they are only temporary!
I'm actually surprised that you didn't get extra delays in Germany 💀
Can't wait for the new Talgo carriages tho, they will also run on the intercity between Berlin and Amsterdam
Its gonna be great when they enter service!
not mush to get in the way north of Hamburg :p
@@AlwaysRM_ True, but Hamburg itself is a bottleneck that often creates delays. Hamburg would actually need a larger train station.
@@mrm7058 I think there has been talks about that Hamburg Altona should get renovated with 4 tracks going UNDER the city and pop up just before Harburg.
I find it funny that we in Denmark have had a central station in Copenhagen longer than we've had a democracy.
Copenhagen to Hamburg is in either direction just a pain. The old route via Rødby - Puttgarden, or the actual route via Padborg/Pattburg.
I travelled that route a lot of times, and it was so often delayed. Haha, last time in June (2023) my train from CPH was also delayed more than one hour and a coach was missing.
On the way back even the train from Hamburg was totally cancelled.
Funniests delay some years ago in Hamburg: The train was delayed because the driver had forgotten to refuel!
Happy when I am back to Thailand where I nearly have no delays.
At the moment I have to travel between CPH and HAM sometimes....but I rather prefer to travel via Gedser - Rostock. Takes longer, but it is more fun.
I hope DSB and DB one day will improve that service. It is a shame for both companies.
When the new Femern tunnel is done the travel time will be cut by about 1½ hrs.
Also atm there are trackworks on the current line so that delays too.. Yes they can be better at making sure trains are ready when they need to be.
Also whats needed to be put in mind is that the current line has a fairly stretch in Denmark before Padborg that is Single track and runs MAX capacity at the moment. Our politicians has discussed for ab 40 years now if it should be made double track since the trackbed has been build for DT. Finally 3 years ago it was made so it WILL be upgraded.. Sometime in 2029-2030 LOL
@@QueentasticTDP Have to add something more bizarre: Yesterday (15-08-2023) I got a letter from DB (were I bought my ticket from HAM to CPH for July 04th, 2023 that was cancelled).
I had immediately filled a (paper)form in Hamburg for reembursement, and after less than six weeks they told me that they will "very quickly react to my demand".
The only problem was, now they need a printout of my ticket and the letter they have send. I shall send it by post back to them.
I even don't have a printer in my home office in Copenhagen. You don't need that in Denmark.
Germany, please, we have reached the 21st century.....
With all due respect, my danish friend, you could have just requested the compensation for the delay online, or in the DB-App.
Takes about 5min, and you don't need a printer at all :)
@@finnibat Yes, that is true for the updated version that just came out after that, you are right.
@@hassanalihusseini1717
Nope, this has been a feature since June 2021, you can look it up.
Seems like DB has arrived "in the 21st century" before you have :)
So as one who has been riding on the "New" trains between København and Hamborg, i find them much better then the old trains they used to run on the line, they are more comfortable, they have a much better first class, they are working much better then the old ones where you find many of the toilets broken all the time, doors locking themslevs, AC not working and much more with the old IC3 trains. I say it simple i have found the "New" trains to be both more comfortable both in second and first class, they are working much better then the old ones and. I have never seen anything wrong on the 2 times i have been riding on them both from and to Humborg. The only thing though is that they don't have a restaurant/cafe wagon or just a better form of buying snacks and drinks onboard, they use a dude walking around with a 7-eleven tray of things you can buy. But otherwise i am more then happy to ride on these then our old IC3 trains who i have rode on 4 times to Hamborg and back, 3 times something important was broken
A little info on the IC3 trains.. They were surpposed to be retired when our IC4 trains came. Problem was only half got delivered and had so many breakdowns and issues. And since they spent money to fix them themselves and buy them and these trains was so unreliable. The IC3 trains got modernized as much as possible3 and continues to run though their service period is well overdue.
Luckily we soon get new electric trains and we are modernizing and electrifying more and more lines so the IC3 trains can begin to retire slowly. But it wont be i think untill 2035 that the last ones will run.
It's really down to personal preference, i much prefer having the open seating layout with 2+1 seating in first on the IC3 to being in a closed coupe in first on the DB carriages and the lack of power outlets at every seat is a major killer for me as i usually work on my laptop when im not filming :-)
8:35- Wait for the joke.
They could get a better livery for their locos :)
Awesome miniature railway at the start of video
Yeah the new livery is not very creative
If you're lucky enough to get a compartment on these trains there will be power outlets at every seat. Comfort wise it's the same though.
The spacious coaches look comfy and I love the big windows. How was the ride quality? I doubt if Talgos can beat this train for speed and comfort.
Comfort maybe, but the talgos can be made 230 km/h capable vs 200 of the IC carriges
I've read mostly bad reviews on Talgo ride quality since it was first introduced in the USA in the 1950's. @@Simon-Andersen
@@samtrak1204gotta understand back then it was different. Talgo trains run alot in Spain and elsewhere in EU. They are comfy and the quality is quite good. Id still prefer an ICE 3 or ICE 4 but. Its better than nothing or very old unreliable diesel trains or 50 year old coaches.
It's not so bad if a carriage breaks on locomotive hauled trains is it's generally something to do with the passenger part like a broken window or heating, rather than to do with the wheels,so the carriage can be locked out of use.However it does mean less carriages for the passengers.With under floor engined diesel and electrical unit trains it's a much more serious problem and the whole train may need to be taken out of use.
Prøv “nattoget” fra hamborg til kbh som dsb kører med ic3!
Jeg har haft en tur med IC3 nattoget fra Aalborg ;-) czcams.com/video/ced9acaDMxQ/video.html
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Good video Simon...any reservation fee traveling with a Eurail Global pass?
In summer seat reservation is mandatory which costs 3-5 euros. Outside of summer you don't need one but it's recommended
middelfart was the best 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
AND it was right after the "toilet tour" 🤣😂🤣😂
We did the same trip june 27:th. Two carriages was broken and the train was fully booked. People where missing seats. The trip started with a 35min delay + last minute change of track with a lot och problem for those passangers with heavy baggage. That red ship passed under the Kiel canal bridge on our trip as well, did you also used the train 27:th june??
I went on the 28th of June but that does indeed sound very similar :-)
Åh ja, typical Danish summer 😊
I‘ve used this train once. It was really bad. We had a 35 minute delay. I don’t mind delays usually but the train staff didn’t communicate anything and the app showed no delay. I eventually just gave up and got off at Koldingen and was picked up a friend instead of waiting for my connecting train that I missed due to the delays.
Edit: It was also very dirty
heysa, hvilken Mic har du ?
Jeg bruger en Svive Hydra pt :-)
cool cool. Lagde bare mærke til at du distortede mic lyd en smule. Kan evt gi dig råd til limiter vst så du kan undgå det .@@Simon-Andersen
Europe is like a Fairy Land. I wish i had a companion to take me on a Tour of FAIRY LAND EUROPE.
When were the IC3 trains designed and partially built? Also during the Cold War.
But they been kept a bit more up to date since :-)
Another great video.
Why does DB needs to "take over"? Cant the DSB crew operate trains in Germany?
SNCF crews can operate in Spain and RENFE crews can operate in France (after a certification process).
German crews used to work on the ICE-Ts to Denmark. The German staff even learnt Danish.
The issue is that DSB has rolling stock shortages, so DB got some leftover IC2 cars, and combined them with a vectron.
Thats how the service has been operated for years, similar arrangement with the Hamburg-Prag trains IIRC. Probably just a matter of staff training and operational reason rather than there being an actual limitation.
That's the usual arrangement. I believe D and DK use different systems so unless you have a multisystem engine like PKP is operating on the Berlin-Warsaw line, they need to be swapped. Staff usually changes at the border anyway.
@@b3for354You mixed up IC1 and IC2, but yeah
I'll c yr videos later. This one was OK - Oman-Kuwait.
The lack of power outlets for a 5h journey is heavy. Not even the 2x2 seats with the big table in the middle have them?
They sometimes have 1 or 2, but there is no way of telling when booking, some of them have been refurbished and have at every seat.
Arent there any coupe carriages i heard there was some of those amongst those rented....and that is pretty important if I'm ever to get my autistic son on a international train
First class is only coupe otherwise there are a few in standard, see this shot 12:42
I still don't get why the only stop of these trains in Germany (besides Hamburg) is in Schleswig, a city of only 25K people. In my opinion it would make far more sense to stop in Flensburg (approx. 90K) and/or Neumünster (approx. 100K)... even Rendsburg is slightly bigger than Schleswig.
I'm not too sure either! The Hamburg-Aarhus trains make those stops, not sure why they don't on the Copenhagen ones
@@Simon-Andersen Flensburg might have been skipped because it's a bit of a Detour (the Station is in a Loop, so the Trains to Denmark leave southbound and the Trains to Hamburg go north first), but Neumünster really doesn't make Sense, as it is the easiest Connection to Kiel and generally located very central in Schleswig-Holstein. Although Schleswig can be reached reasonably quick from Flensburg (30 Minutes) and Kiel (1 Hour).
Oh, it doesn't sound so good.
In a couple of weeks I'm going to travel from Kristiansand to Naples by boat and train, connection to the Nightjet to Innsbruck is very tight (20 mins).
No earlier connections from Hirtshals, unfortunately. Hopefully the service is not as unreliable as reported, krysser fingrene…
Have a great trip! Ive heard things have improved a lot since June when this was shot, so i hope everything will go smooth!
@@Simon-Andersen crazy that's so adventurous to reach Hamburg from Nordjylland:
Hirtshals/Lilleheden -> Hjørring(11' connection) -> Aalborg (7') -> Fredericia (24') -> Kolding (23') -> Hamburg (22') -> Innsbruck
just because there isn't any Lyntog from Hjørring that allows me to change only once, at Odense!
@@Simon-Andersen 2/9/2023: IC 397 cancelled and replaced with IC3 stock until Flensburg.
Our ICE wasn't ready, we had to wait half an hour to move on.
Luckily, even the Nightjet to Innsbruck was too late. It was right behind us in Hamburg, we left Hamburg Hbf with +35.
You can't expect any reliability from this old DB IC rolling stock. Hope the new Talgo cars come soon.
One question I keep asking myself is why neither DB nor DSB together ordered the Railjet sets from Siemens? Are there any regulations regarding universal accessibility for the disabled? It's not surprising that the air conditioning fails on an IC1. They are just 50-70 year old cars. I work at SSI (Siemens Smart Infrastructures), and I know the procedure of the European tender, but I still don't understand why they didn't simply follow ÖBB's lead... Neither DB, nor DSB, nor PKP.
If everything works out, there should be a direct train between Copenhagen and Prague from 2025, going once a day. ČD will use their new train sets called ComfortJet based on Viaggio Comfort, so similar to Railjet. I wonder if they will be allowed to go 230 km/h also in Denmark (at least on the Copenhagen-Ringsted section) as the only train since the new Talgos should only be capable of 200 km/h.
The oldest IC1 coaches are 50, maybe with the exception of a couple of 1st class coaches (Apmz ¹¹¹ were built from 1962). Many of the coaches DSB got look more like those DB had built from the late 70s (like Bpm(m)z²⁹¹).
DSB started a tender around 5 years ago for 8 new coach consists for their international trains to be pulled by their Vectron locomotives. At first Siemens, Bombardier, and Talgo were prequalified. Bombardier later pulled out and let CAF join in their place, who in turn also pulled out later. By the end it was Siemens vs Talgo, and in the end Talgo won the tender. DSB's new talgo trains are coming from the same production line as the Deutsche Bahn's ICE-L trains. If not that, it would've likely come from the same production line as ÖBB's new Railjet consists if Siemens had won, albeit without cab cars.
However since then, with DSB seeing increased demand for international travel, and their original Sandwich locomotive plans falling apart, they made a deal with Talgo, expanding their order from 8 consists to 16, along with buying cabcars for all 16 consists. Afaik, the first 8 consists will enter service as planned in 2024-25, and then in 2027, the remaining 8 will be delivered, along with the cab cars, while the consists get reconfigured from End car-consist-End car, to End car-consist-Cab car.
@@drdewott9154 Thx for that Information
The railways love multiple unit for some reason, even though it is much less flexible. The PKP should just buy Griffin locomotives from newag and new wagons but with seat standard as is in the pendolino, not the fabric on wood that we have been receiving from FPS Factory.
I don’t think we need to spend money on control car, most stations have enough space for reversing the loco and the only big one that does not (Łódź) can be served by the 40 EMUs they bought. Also there was a tender process for double decker push pulls for lodz, but it seems it is cancelled.
I caught those a few times back when I lived in Malmö. Late, unreliable, uncomfortable and not cheap. Switched to Flixbus and never looked back.
So, DB Bahn runs trains to Copenhagen? Then I know I can travel with a Eurail Global pass with them for no fee, thanks
It's run in Co-operation, free to use with eurail, seat reservation is mandatory in summer period however
@@Simon-Andersen is there a dining/bar car? If I couldn't get a seat. I would chill in there
Pen Friend during Pa's time. Got 2 to 3 letters fm abroad requesting to b pen friend but was 19 - 20 yrs, too immature to understand its significance. (Girls , one of the girls would hv been from Denmark - 100 percent, im sure now.
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i know its just a personal opinion but last month i was at Hamburg Hbf and i was pretty disappointed seeing generic Vectrons with DB InterCity carriages. the only time i saw a DSB IC3 there was at the carriage sheds outside of the Hbf while the train i was on was arriving from Rostock. if this is the future then it looks... bland. i hope to see the IC3s in Hamburg sometime soon though.
IC3s still run to Hamburg on the 2 daily trains to Aarhus and the summer overnight service to Copenhagen :-)
@@Simon-Andersen thanks for the info! i didnt research vagonweb enough it seems. alas my visit to Hamburg was in a rush so i only sat for 3 hours in the morning at the Hauptbahnhof, the rest was looking around the city. next time i go to Hamburg i'll try my best to look for the IC3s.
intet møntindkast ingen togbanetur
Tekniske problemer opstår og tilgives.
Det gør de, jeg har hørt det skulle gå en del bedre her et par måneder efter opstart :-)
@@Simon-Andersen Selvom vi schweizere er perfektionister, accepterer jeg, at der nogle gange sker lort.
Du gør fremragende arbejde på denne kanal, og det er værdsat.
did it sounds like you are speaking in to a head set when editing you need to move the mic away or just below the mouth as its too loud and over modulating
Thanks for the headsup ill try and adjust my mic next time :-)
I have riden that train on that route and de cars not good and seat not Good not good expeiriens
Jeg husker da modeltog var 25 øre…get off my lawn!
Shame but unfortunately not uncomon